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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Joker312 on October 23, 2016, 07:00:27 AM
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I would like to thank all involved with putting this on. I truly enjoyed it. But.................
When this was in the early planning stage, Brooke asked for suggestions. Some, myself included, had concerns about the relative capabilities of the plane set. Now that its over I think we can see that the Axis aircraft totally outclassed the Allied. Although I had fun, I felt that we were always flying disadvantaged. (there's something to be said about the attraction for me to be the underdog)
One suggestion was to put in some spit9's. That was met with cries that it would imbalance the scenario and such. To them all I can say is look at the logs.
The outcome of this scenario was a direct result of the choice of aircraft not the skill or planning of the participants.
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And this thread is the first openly posted whine about the scenario....
If you have to try and make excuses now, why did you even participate?
Im really anxious to see your next excuse/whine/whimper........maybe you can make yourself feel better that way .
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That is of course always the problem with a scenario, It is impossible to get a perfect 50/50 balance between the sides. Just as in 1943 the 109/190 were somewhat superior to the Allied plane set. Throwing in the Spit IX would have tipped the scale in the other direction. Plus that the Allied bomber force were clearly superior to the LW in the scenario.
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The worst part of every scenario is that some moron has to whine about it WHILE CLAIMING TO HAVE ENJOYED THE EVENT.
Basically this thread was started as an excuse for being a sore loser OR it was started by someone whos intellectual faculties are lacking. Care to chose?
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Sim, why the personal attack? I am just stating my opinion. Did that in some way piss you off?
I did enjoy being with my friends and playing a game. I also felt that the setup was heavily in favor of one side. What is your problem with that?
Calling me a "moron" and "whiner" is your opinion and your welcome to it but don't you think it's a bit harsh and immature?
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It does seem to be a trend.
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Outclassed now the 109 is faster than most of your Fighters but its Firepower is on Far weaker than any Allied aircraft that you had available you weren't outclassed you were outplayed. Your leader sent you into a meat grinder for 12 hours and never deviated from that plan do you want to blame someone blame him. Then you had almost no defense for your base is in the rear and allowed my attackers to do whatever they wanted to do while your guys had to pay dearly for any and all bombs dropped on targets.
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Outclassed now the 109 is faster than most of your Fighters but its Firepower is on Far weaker than any Allied aircraft that you had available you weren't outclassed you were outplayed. Your leader sent you into a meat grinder for 12 hours and never deviated from that plan do you want to blame someone blame him. Then you had almost no defense for your base is in the rear and allowed my attackers to do whatever they wanted to do while your guys had to pay dearly for any and all bombs dropped on targets.
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Relax Vudu. We all had fun :aok
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Its whine and one that you try to excuse joker......thats all it is or ever will be.
So if you feel the need to try and defend such, go for it however you desire.
It will still be a whine.
I had a blast in an event i didnt plan on attending. But if i had lost, i wouldnt whine about it after the fact. Id just loom forward to the next one.
Apparently that concept is lost on some of this community.
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I just want to say that it felt like I flew a Goon for 12 hours, didn't make it to target half the time and died most of time being almost unable to defend myself.
But I did have enjoyment flying over the pretty terrain and listening to music before my timely death came again, and again, and again.
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Call it what you want, it don't matter to me. If you want to act like a child and sling insults, that's your business.
This BB is for the exchange of ideas and I am using it as such.
My intent is to give some feedback to the design team. Look at the scores. Now while they don't tell the entire story they do cry "IMBALANCE"
It was just too one sided.
I have participated in many of these events but I cant remember one that was such a blow out. Most are very close events and that is a result of good design.
Bottom line is I could care less about scores and who won or lost. I do care about the future of these events. Put out bad events and pretty soon no one will show up.
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Relax Vudu. We all had fun :aok
We did indeed have fun. And I'm glad to hear that most of the Allies did too.
But what Vudu said is correct. The Allied plans made our job very easy. All but a handful of Jg77's kills were made inside our own territory. The one time the Allies executed a plan that was very successful - the Phase 3 big wing push with of all your fighters - it was never followed up with another try with it. Better decision making at the command level would have made a huge positive difference in the effectiveness of the Allied fighters and bombers. You guys played into our strengths and paid dearly for it.
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Joker, all I can say is, the Axis went into this really planning on just having fun and knowing, KNOWING, we were going to lose. We thought the same thing you thought, we were up against spits, p38s and a slew of hardened bombers. We were stunned, absolutely stunned, when you guys didn't do anything we expected you to do and dreaded. We kept waiting, and waiting, for the hammer to fall that would have dominated us. It never came.
We weren't even sure how we did until the logs came out, and I actually thought at one point Brooke reversed the sides and mixed us up. I was stunned at the pummeling the Allies took, you guys were simply always at our best position and not yours. It could have easily been reversed, there were so many times we saw a partial set up of a plan coming and the supporting pieces of yours never showed up to finish it. We found A20s low on the deck, and their escorts High and a full sector away. We found bombers alone. We found what seems to have been your entire fighter roster in a group that found a squadron of ours and destroyed it, while the rest of us were flying around wiping your unescorted stuff. Shoot I was, for much of the event, the only 110c flying and had groups dive down to the deck to get me, lucky we didn't have the heavy bombers right there with me, I stripped your high cap from a field all by myself.
Much of this isn't a plane versus plane problem. I know Vudu got a little defensive but in all honesty, he worked hard, we fought hard, and to have our success relegated to an imbalance of planes instead of a team that really did pull itself together and adapt incredibly well would have set me off too :) He led a good team, give him credit where it's due.
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Early in frame one an entire P-38 squad was flying around doing nothing. (chasing our 3 c.202:s) while the rest of the Allied force faced the entire Luftwaffe...
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Ok before this gets too carried away. Joker's point is valid from a fighter drivers viewpoint. That doesn't diminish the planning of the Axis.
It is valid in that the fighter vs fighter set was one that did let the Luftwaffe fighters have the performance edge. We had nothing that could catch them. Conversely we could be caught every time. Firepower doesn't help much if you can't catch the guy you want to shoot. Speaking as a 38 driver, my only hope was to catch a guy by surprise or hope he might turn with me a bit.
In the end I wrote it off as a semi reflection of history as the 38s in North Africa were new and learning the ropes against vet Luftwaffe pilots and they took a lot of casualties. They made up for it with numbers, which a scenario will never reflect.
Again. I enjoyed myself, but I have tended to fly birds that are not the best performers and I don't much care about the score.
Separate Jokers concern from it being an indictment of the Axis team. It is not. We have always balanced the numbers and understood if we didn't you wouldn't have a side want to participate. Yet we always point to history to justify the plane set. His argument is you have to balance in both directions, numbers and performance. We tend not to do that
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Again, finding a 100% equal plane set in a scenario isn't possible. Each side must evaluate their strength and weaknesses and find a way to use that to their advantage. It is also impossible to tell how everything is going to turn out. Last 12 hour scenario saw the Allies steal the victory in the last possible moment, LW fought back hard despite having inferior planes (and being outnumbered).
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Again, finding a 100% equal plane set in a scenario isn't possible. Each side must evaluate their strength and weaknesses and find a way to use that to their advantage. It is also impossible to tell how everything is going to turn out. Last 12 hour scenario saw the Allies steal the victory in the last possible moment, LW fought back hard despite having inferior planes (and being outnumbered).
What inferior planes in the last one?
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109G-6 and 190 A-8 against P-51, P-38L, Spit IX.
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I just want to say that it felt like I flew a Goon for 12 hours, didn't make it to target half the time and died most of time being almost unable to defend myself.
But I did have enjoyment flying over the pretty terrain and listening to music before my timely death came again, and again, and again.
hey we had fun tho Beefcake even tho ya had to fly my plane for 4 hrs I will had fun just wish my back could of lasted longer even the last flight in our Pretty blue skins next 12 hr event I am going to plan on taking off so I do not have to fly with a mouse again :devil
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109G-6 and 190 A-8 against P-51, P-38L, Spit IX.
How do the LW birds not equal the 1942 Spit IX, the Razorback Jug, P-38J and P-51B?
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I see some good points made by you guys.
Zimme, your right its never going to be 100% even and I don't expect it to be. I just thought this scenario could have been better.
Roc, I saw how hard you fought to make this a good fight during the planning phase. You put a lot of time and effort into your suggestions to Brooke and its appreciated. Again I still think the planeset could have been balanced better, just my opinion. I don't expect anyone to change things just because I say so. I just wanted to voice my opinion for future reference if this setup is ever used again. I also see how Vudu would take offense to my post. It was badly worded and I didn't mean to offend anyone. I know he put a lot of time into the event and the Axis won a decisive victory. Congradulations.
Devil, you also make excellent points. The Axis plan was better. We played into your hand and suffered the consequences. I have no issue with that. That's part of the fun of these events. But I really do feel that the planeset had a lot to do with the outcome.
Corky said it better than I in his post. I am just hoping for that elusive balance between aircraft performance and numbers. That's it. Nothing else to say.
I really only want to ensure we continue to have these events and I feel a balanced fun design will attract people to them. I flew about 8 hours in this one and enjoyed the company of my friends and the action and had a lot of fun in the process.
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The Axis flat out whooped us.
The only thing that matters is numbers at the point of contact and Allied forces were all over the map.
Fighter support got out of sync with bombers. Bombers flew unescorted ahead of fighters.
The P38 cannot anchor and turn with 109's in equal numbers or worse yet that is what happened in every engagement.
We flew girl scout trail formations and encountered 109's in line abreast. They win the merge and they win the fight.
The Allied side was sloppy and the Axis was not.
Wherever contact was made the Axis poured in assets until they wiped out the attack.
Its pretty simple, he who has the most wins the fight and the Axis made sure they had the most at the point of contact.
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The Axis flat out whooped us.
The only thing that matters is numbers at the point of contact and Allied forces were all over the map.
Fighter support got out of sync with bombers. Bombers flew unescorted ahead of fighters.
The P38 cannot anchor and turn with 109's in equal numbers or worse yet that is what happened in every engagement.
We flew girl scout trail formations and encountered 109's in line abreast. They win the merge and they win the fight.
The Allied side was sloppy and the Axis was not.
Wherever contact was made the Axis poured in assets until they wiped out the attack.
Its pretty simple, he who has the most wins the fight and the Axis made sure they had the most at the point of contact.
I was in my own group for this one, not flying with the JG11 guys in 109's. but as I am reading this, in my mind I can hear Stampf "OK boys line it up... LINE ABREAST KILL EM ALL NO LOSES Get em from the TOP DOWN That's IT That's IT!"
I was GL of the FW-190s and had orders to hang over target fields. We watched on DAR and text as the battle unfolded every hour. My pilots did not like it and we were in the back flying in circles while the fight was going on. We took some flack from 109 drivers over this too.
Then when our bases started flashing more times then not we were there or very close and the killing of A-20's would begin. We were the defense. As I understand it, the allies did not bother with that. Looking at all the stuff destroyed on the logs, it would seem true.
It has been said that planning does not matter. Well, I would have to disagree with that. We had a plan, we stuck with it.
After that last scenario I was shocked to see BOMBERS unescorted every time.
I had a great time and enjoyed flying with the same crew for the most part again.
For only having 6 planes at a time, we managed 92 kills with 87 assists on 72 sorties. It was a great day.
My wife asked me today "What time do you start up this Saturday?" I was honest and told her the next one is in February.
Already looking forward to it... :salute
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Then when our bases started flashing more times then not we were there or very close and the killing of A-20's would begin.
It is very hard to be relegated to Defense Duty when all of the flashy fighter jocks are out there looking for a fight. That is, until the realization hits, there are simply a few targets, they are coming, you are going to get them :)
Well Done Ditto and Company.
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I chose to fly the 38G in the scenario. I did have fun but there a few problems I'd like to bring up. Launch windows. If you are in the air engaged or rtb when a new launch window opens you're out of luck.
When you land you have to wait until next launch window opens. Tower sitting. If you get shot down which I assume everyone did you again wait in the tower for next launch window to open. Again Tower sitting.
If you get shot down in 15 to 20 mins after launch again you are in tower for 40 to 45 minutes. That's a lot of wasted time. I can't play for longer then 3 hours at a time. My eyes fall out on the desk and I have to chase them
until I find them. For me three hours borders on very uncomfortable. After that time I have to get up and move for awhile. Sometimes for at least 2 hours I must leave my seat, and I do have a comfortable chair to play in.
Now this is just my personal experience and it no way should influence others opinions. Also again another opinion which is mine alone. I believe the 38G showed up in any scenario for the first time I can remember.
What I found out. (in other scenarios I've flown the F4F, the P40, the P39 and been successful.) The 38G has no redeemable qualities. It is heavier then a P47, way underpowered, can't turn without shedding energy in
huge chunks and the climb rate is poor. It's nose guns are fine but to maneuver to get them on another aircraft in a multi plane environment is highly unlikely at best without being shot down. However I did have fun
and it was my choice. The reason they made the J model was because of the G.
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And yet in real life the P-38G wasn't in service by the time of the battle. So you should have been flying an even worse P-38F, but we don't have that model in the game. Be grateful for small mercies. ;)
This battle took place at the height of Luftwaffe power. 1943 was the best year for the LW in the west, but by the end of that year the Luftwaffe had lost the edge, and essentially the war.
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At times like this I think of the real life P-38F pilots, and what they were up against. My understanding is the real 14th FG had to stand down from losses and be reformed. That's pretty devastating.
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It is very hard to be relegated to Defense Duty when all of the flashy fighter jocks are out there looking for a fight. That is, until the realization hits, there are simply a few targets, they are coming, you are going to get them :)
Well Done Ditto and Company.
The only time it really, really chafed me was when they sent in the first big wing in the south. I saw the GV bases flashing, and I was certain their bombers were having their way with them. My vision of the future was us hanging out over 7 for that entire window while they did what they were doing a sector and a half west of us. Then 7 started flashing and I realized it had been the right move.
Like Ditto said above, I was also shocked at the lack of bomber escorts. The one time I led the group toward bombers near some Spitfires early in the scenario, it ended very very badly for us. As we were sitting in the tower, I was told by the rest of the group, "Wiley, please do not do that again."
Wiley.
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I don't see anybody posting in this thread that I do not consider a close friend. Please don't let this thread deteriorate. I don't want to insult or hurt anybody's feelings. I will do my best to explain what you did see or didn't see, from a planner's view (you experienced guys know what I'm talking about).
The Allies were greatly hamstrung by the inability to secure a strong and experienced scenario planning resource, early enough, to bring its tactical strengths to the fore. I am putting my hand up as being almost completely absent from the process. I should have been able to be relied upon for guidance and ideas and unfortunately I was unable to deliver this time.
It was not the CO Allies that bears any culpability. Red did an amazing job considering the restraints upon him. He followed the script and set up planning with his groups in the general forum. He made maps, consulted and adjusted. What he didn't have was a core planning group from the get-go. He still didn't have one at launch time. Right now he probably feels exhausted, confused and a little down. He deserves a round of applause - really.
Core planning is an essential for scenarios. Nothing delivers for the players on game day so much as days and weeks of off-line flying, flight timetables and routes, target maps and approaches and above it all - confidence in what you are doing.
None of that can be done in an open forum with a sense of touch and feel good, while the crowd (who probably don't care deeply) are asked to vote up, vote down, or otherwise criticise what somebody just spent a week on. Let's just not ever go that way again if we can avoid it.
Scenarios are chalk and cheese to FSO and any other special event that I can think of. It requires a different mind-set and a completely different set of tactics to bring out the best from your human and material resources.
Spit 9s or 262s would not have impacted on this scenario so much if you are judging it by aircraft resources alone.
I must admit, I should've flown a B26 from the start. Would take more fuel though.
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I don't see anybody posting in this thread that I do not consider a close friend. Please don't let this thread deteriorate. I don't want to insult or hurt anybody's feelings. I will do my best to explain what you did see or didn't see, from a planner's view (you experienced guys know what I'm talking about).
The Allies were greatly hamstrung by the inability to secure a strong and experienced scenario planning resource, early enough, to bring its tactical strengths to the fore. I am putting my hand up as being almost completely absent from the process. I should have been able to be relied upon for guidance and ideas and unfortunately I was unable to deliver this time.
It was not the CO Allies that bears any culpability. Red did an amazing job considering the restraints upon him. He followed the script and set up planning with his groups in the general forum. He made maps, consulted and adjusted. What he didn't have was a core planning group from the get-go. He still didn't have one at launch time. Right now he probably feels exhausted, confused and a little down. He deserves a round of applause - really.
Core planning is an essential for scenarios. Nothing delivers for the players on game day so much as days and weeks of off-line flying, flight timetables and routes, target maps and approaches and above it all - confidence in what you are doing.
None of that can be done in an open forum with a sense of touch and feel good, while the crowd (who probably don't care deeply) are asked to vote up, vote down, or otherwise criticise what somebody just spent a week on. Let's just not ever go that way again if we can avoid it.
Scenarios are chalk and cheese to FSO and any other special event that I can think of. It requires a different mind-set and a completely different set of tactics to bring out the best from your human and material resources.
Spit 9s or 262s would not have impacted on this scenario so much if you are judging it by aircraft resources alone.
I must admit, I should've flown a B26 from the start. Would take more fuel though.
Amen
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The Axis flat out whooped us.
The only thing that matters is numbers at the point of contact and Allied forces were all over the map.
Fighter support got out of sync with bombers. Bombers flew unescorted ahead of fighters.
The P38 cannot anchor and turn with 109's in equal numbers or worse yet that is what happened in every engagement.
We flew girl scout trail formations and encountered 109's in line abreast. They win the merge and they win the fight.
The Allied side was sloppy and the Axis was not.
Wherever contact was made the Axis poured in assets until they wiped out the attack.
Its pretty simple, he who has the most wins the fight and the Axis made sure they had the most at the point of contact.
I was in my own group for this one, not flying with the JG11 guys in 109's. but as I am reading this, in my mind I can hear Stampf "OK boys line it up... LINE ABREAST KILL EM ALL NO LOSES Get em from the TOP DOWN That's IT That's IT!"
I was GL of the FW-190s and had orders to hang over target fields. We watched on DAR and text as the battle unfolded every hour. My pilots did not like it and we were in the back flying in circles while the fight was going on. We took some flack from 109 drivers over this too.
Then when our bases started flashing more times then not we were there or very close and the killing of A-20's would begin. We were the defense. As I understand it, the allies did not bother with that. Looking at all the stuff destroyed on the logs, it would seem true.
It has been said that planning does not matter. Well, I would have to disagree with that. We had a plan, we stuck with it.
After that last scenario I was shocked to see BOMBERS unescorted every time.
I had a great time and enjoyed flying with the same crew for the most part again.
For only having 6 planes at a time, we managed 92 kills with 87 assists on 72 sorties. It was a great day.
My wife asked me today "What time do you start up this Saturday?" I was honest and told her the next one is in February.
Already looking forward to it... :salute
It's very interesting to see this in text. The very same things we discussed in our 77th thread leading up to the event. Our flight leader asked me to chime in on tactics. I did - and we employed those very same tactics. Own the merge - bracket the enemy - overwhelm them from the flanks - Own the fight top down - one at a time and work together. I was simply amazed the allied boys allowed us to accomplish this so easily with the exception of the one sortie that they massed everything they had against our unit.
It's very hard for me to follow another - really hard - and I was my usual exuberant self when engaging the enemy. So much so a couple guys told me to shut up before I jinxed the unit... :rofl I guess I can take comfort in the fact that those comments came from the guys who either were killed every sortie or left to fly alone or with another group. My CO - Devil, either, A)quietly appreciated my input - B) ignored it - or C) employed it. Either way I apologize for being such a cheerleader in flight - but as discussed earlier in our squad thread this is what I do - this is my strength.
3 of the 4 phases the Allies flew right into this strength and made it awefully easy for us to employ these simple tactics. Individually the allied boys flew and fought well, and hard but individuals working alone against a group working together is a hard road to find victory on.
So again to the guys who I may have put off with my...ways...I apologise again - but as for our performance and results go...good chance I would do it all over again the exact same way.
<S> Allies and Axis.
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I don't see anybody posting in this thread that I do not consider a close friend. Please don't let this thread deteriorate. I don't want to insult or hurt anybody's feelings. I will do my best to explain what you did see or didn't see, from a planner's view (you experienced guys know what I'm talking about).
The Allies were greatly hamstrung by the inability to secure a strong and experienced scenario planning resource, early enough, to bring its tactical strengths to the fore. I am putting my hand up as being almost completely absent from the process. I should have been able to be relied upon for guidance and ideas and unfortunately I was unable to deliver this time.
It was not the CO Allies that bears any culpability. Red did an amazing job considering the restraints upon him. He followed the script and set up planning with his groups in the general forum. He made maps, consulted and adjusted. What he didn't have was a core planning group from the get-go. He still didn't have one at launch time. Right now he probably feels exhausted, confused and a little down. He deserves a round of applause - really.
Core planning is an essential for scenarios. Nothing delivers for the players on game day so much as days and weeks of off-line flying, flight timetables and routes, target maps and approaches and above it all - confidence in what you are doing.
None of that can be done in an open forum with a sense of touch and feel good, while the crowd (who probably don't care deeply) are asked to vote up, vote down, or otherwise criticise what somebody just spent a week on. Let's just not ever go that way again if we can avoid it.
Scenarios are chalk and cheese to FSO and any other special event that I can think of. It requires a different mind-set and a completely different set of tactics to bring out the best from your human and material resources.
Spit 9s or 262s would not have impacted on this scenario so much if you are judging it by aircraft resources alone.
I must admit, I should've flown a B26 from the start. Would take more fuel though.
Hear, hear.
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I only flew in the first phase and 1 sortie of the second. And my experince was that there simply weren't enough P38 pilots, the spit5s were not powerful enough.The A20s were easy meat, the bombers had no escorts because most of the 38s were killed by the almighty 77. Bruv and I alone got 29 kills and him, a few others, and I, were able to clean the rest of the fighters because they didn't have enough support. There was only one hour where the P38s were able to dominate. I think the first phase would have gone a lot differently if A. The P38s didn't run into is every time, and lose the majority of their airforce. B. if their groups of fighters stuck together better. I did really enjoy the furballs from my perspective.
I feel like the only reason was because the P38s didn't have enough members. They ran into the us (the 109s) most of the time, instead of being able to cover the bombers better, and since we were able to kill most of the P38s and spit5s. The P39s were easy and the bombers were easy because they didnt have the support they needed.
You can talk about the planes all you want. I flew a G2 the entire time, but I really think the Axis had a better strategy, killed the most threatening opposition quickly every time but 1 time, the P38s. The P39s, Spit5s didn't have a chance because there were not enough of them. I feel if the 38s had more players, the tide would have been a bit different.
Just my .02
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I thought it was well balanced throughout the combat. The only thing that troubled my mind was the C202, crazy as it seems, but I don't have a lot of experience fighting other people flying it. It was an unknown I wanted at arms length. Axis had the better plan and that was it. I'd fly into that again in the P38G, it was more fun than I ever imagined.
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I thought it was well balanced throughout the combat. The only thing that troubled my mind was the C202, crazy as it seems, but I don't have a lot of experience fighting other people flying it. It was an unknown I wanted at arms length. Axis had the better plan and that was it. I'd fly into that again in the P38G, it was more fun than I ever imagined.
you shot down Hitech!! :rofl
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Twice :rock
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It's very hard for me to follow another - really hard - and I was my usual exuberant self when engaging the enemy. So much so a couple guys told me to shut up before I jinxed the unit... :rofl I guess I can take comfort in the fact that those comments came from the guys who either were killed every sortie or left to fly alone or with another group. My CO - Devil, either, A)quietly appreciated my input - B) ignored it - or C) employed it. Either way I apologize for being such a cheerleader in flight - but as discussed earlier in our squad thread this is what I do - this is my strength.
A and C, Brother. :salute
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stampf we have had our differences in the past but I must say I enjoyed the cheerleading. :rock
Some of those fighter merges were reminiscent of SDL and you have to kill quickly and cleanly. Brevity, wingmen and good shooting ruled the roost.
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stampf we have had our differences in the past but I must say I enjoyed the cheerleading. :rock
Some of those fighter merges were reminiscent of SDL and you have to kill quickly and cleanly. Brevity, wingmen and good shooting ruled the roost.
Indeed.
The future will undoubtedly find us on opposite ends of the issue again - but I want to say I would gladly fly with you anytime, Bruv.
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stampf we have had our differences in the past but I must say I enjoyed the cheerleading. :rock
Some of those fighter merges were reminiscent of SDL and you have to kill quickly and cleanly. Brevity, wingmen and good shooting ruled the roost.
A Quicky. Has something changed in AH3 with shooting? I was missing 75% of fairly easy shots or perhaps more properly, only doing light damage instead of taking a wing off. (It might well have been a whole heap of other probs I was dealing with but it was getting frustrating at one point).
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A Quicky. Has something changed in AH3 with shooting? I was missing 75% of fairly easy shots or perhaps more properly, only doing light damage instead of taking a wing off. (It might well have been a whole heap of other probs I was dealing with but it was getting frustrating at one point).
Dantoo - so far my experience with the 20 and 30 Mil German cannons in AH3 is the opposite of what you are finding. (shrug) I am finding it easier to hit the target(s).
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A Quicky. Has something changed in AH3 with shooting? I was missing 75% of fairly easy shots or perhaps more properly, only doing light damage instead of taking a wing off. (It might well have been a whole heap of other probs I was dealing with but it was getting frustrating at one point).
My perception is it's different in some way. I am not quite sure what to make of it, I've got a couple of theories.
One is just the simple fact that everything looks different and our brains are just so used to the normal sight picture we have used for years, and now due to the new engine it's just subtly different and we need to retrain our brains.
I know I feel like I hit better with cannons in a lot of cases, but I also went through a period of about a week early this month where I felt I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and wasn't getting good damage. I was practicing in the A5 and stopped using the MGs for a bit so everything I was hitting with was cannon. Turned out I was shooting behind them with the cannons and only hitting with the MGs.
I also think the way things look affect timing. Maybe try lengthening your bursts a bit to see if that helps?
Wiley.
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I actually prefer the feel of the new version, my accuracy seems up. But that may simply be that due to the radically different look I am simply focusing more.
One thing hasn't changed though, I continue to hit the ground with 100% accuracy.
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It seemed different to me as a bomber gunner compared to AH2.
Not sure if it seems different for pilot-controlled guns.
The tracers look different to me, so that could be most of it for all I know.
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A Quicky. Has something changed in AH3 with shooting? I was missing 75% of fairly easy shots or perhaps more properly, only doing light damage instead of taking a wing off. (It might well have been a whole heap of other probs I was dealing with but it was getting frustrating at one point).
did you change your FOV back to what you had in AH2 (106)
Tracers have been improved with some of the patches. We were flying with gondies so 3x 20mm vaporised everything I shot at. If anything I would say most rounds are damaging stuff easier especially 50cal but then again I don't usually have trouble making shots.
I struggled with buff gunning for a bit but have my eye in now getting some stick time definitely helps.
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I went back had a look at a few things. FOV was ok. Head position is different. My spit 5 convergence was slightly out with one bank of 303s short. I will often open fire with the MGs and then mix in the cannon a fraction later as I walk in to the aim point. I was probably firing the cannon high. The tracer change may well be giving a mis-cue.
I will have to get back in the MA and look at it a bit further.
There was another big factor that I may not be able to account for - over tiredness from a lack of sleep + a full on bronchitis attack going down at the same time. I wasn't actually well enough to have been out of bed during the day let alone all night.
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I was in my own group for this one, not flying with the JG11 guys in 109's. but as I am reading this, in my mind I can hear Stampf "OK boys line it up... LINE ABREAST KILL EM ALL NO LOSES Get em from the TOP DOWN That's IT That's IT!"
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We thought we would have a lot more trouble with the P-38's than we did. I was torched 3 or 4 times by a P-38 with lazer kills seemingly at 1000-800k by my sighting.
Anyway the crux of our dominance during the dogfights was Stampf by way of his inspiration and instruction before each fight.. A big salute to Stampf, who, looking good in his cheerleader outfit, with those 20mm pom poms :rock, set us up prior to each engagement. His comments and instructions before every contact went something like, "OK, here we go boys. Stay together, stay close. Remember top down. Start high and push them down. Help each other out and control the fight,"
A constant reminder of our mission vow - which was to decimate Allied fighters every time, everywhere - as we thought we would lose on points to the B26's and A20's. We simply wanted the Allies to know that fighter to fighter they lost regardless of the final score.
The results, aside from the fighter scores, were due to either or both, bad planning by Allied command and/or bad execution. Evidenced by our continuous puzzlement over why the Allies kept bombing A1 (not a designated target) repeatedly.
The Allies battle plan just seemed to come apart. I know that had a number of command issues, etc. But their fighter pilots fought well, but just flew into the wrong places at the wrong time. :salute
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why the Allies kept bombing A1
A1 is the home stadium of the Tunis Tech "Desert Rats".
Our boys are the Youkes les Bains University "Lightning Lancers".
It's a rivalry that surpasses mere aerial combat.
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I was in my own group for this one, not flying with the JG11 guys in 109's. but as I am reading this, in my mind I can hear Stampf "OK boys line it up... LINE ABREAST KILL EM ALL NO LOSES Get em from the TOP DOWN That's IT That's IT!"
We thought we would have a lot more trouble with the P-38's than we did. I was torched 3 or 4 times by a P-38 with lazer kills seemingly at 1000-800k by my sighting.
Anyway the crux of our dominance during the dogfights was Stampf by way of his inspiration and instruction before each fight.. A big salute to Stampf, who, looking good in his cheerleader outfit, with those 20mm pom poms :rock, set us up prior to each engagement. His comments and instructions before every contact went something like, "OK, here we go boys. Stay together, stay close. Remember top down. Start high and push them down. Help each other out and control the fight,"
A constant reminder of our mission vow - which was to decimate Allied fighters every time, everywhere - as we thought we would lose on points to the B26's and A20's. We simply wanted the Allies to know that fighter to fighter they lost regardless of the final score.
The results, aside from the fighter scores, were due to either or both, bad planning by Allied command and/or bad execution. Evidenced by our continuous puzzlement over why the Allies kept bombing A1 (not a designated target) repeatedly.
The Allies battle plan just seemed to come apart. I know that had a number of command issues, etc. But their fighter pilots fought well, but just flew into the wrong places at the wrong time. :salute
<S> Sloehand.
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I was in my own group for this one, not flying with the JG11 guys in 109's. but as I am reading this, in my mind I can hear Stampf "OK boys line it up... LINE ABREAST KILL EM ALL NO LOSES Get em from the TOP DOWN That's IT That's IT!"
We thought we would have a lot more trouble with the P-38's than we did. I was torched 3 or 4 times by a P-38 with lazer kills seemingly at 1000-800k by my sighting.
Anyway the crux of our dominance during the dogfights was Stampf by way of his inspiration and instruction before each fight.. A big salute to Stampf, who, looking good in his cheerleader outfit, with those 20mm pom poms :rock, set us up prior to each engagement. His comments and instructions before every contact went something like, "OK, here we go boys. Stay together, stay close. Remember top down. Start high and push them down. Help each other out and control the fight,"
A constant reminder of our mission vow - which was to decimate Allied fighters every time, everywhere - as we thought we would lose on points to the B26's and A20's. We simply wanted the Allies to know that fighter to fighter they lost regardless of the final score.
The results, aside from the fighter scores, were due to either or both, bad planning by Allied command and/or bad execution. Evidenced by our continuous puzzlement over why the Allies kept bombing A1 (not a designated target) repeatedly.
The Allies battle plan just seemed to come apart. I know that had a number of command issues, etc. But their fighter pilots fought well, but just flew into the wrong places at the wrong time. :salute
This is why JG11 is what it is. Stampf's inspiration is the way he leads. He is able to take an average group of pilots and elevate them to a level that is rarely seen. It is because of him that we of JG11 are members for life. When you combine his leadership with Vilkas's singing to us in German as we roll out of the hanger on FSO night we truly believe we are immortal.
<S> My friend Stampf.
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Stampf is the Stampfiest, and it is great to have him flying in this one! :aok
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This is why JG11 is what it is. Stampf's inspiration is the way he leads. He is able to take an average group of pilots and elevate them to a level that is rarely seen. It is because of him that we of JG11 are members for life. When you combine his leadership with Vilkas's singing to us in German as we roll out of the hanger on FSO night we truly believe we are immortal.
<S> My friend Stampf.
That's really nice Rick. <S>
Stampf is the Stampfiest, and it is great to have him flying in this one! :aok
Thanks Brooke ( I think ) :aok
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Call it what you want, it don't matter to me. If you want to act like a child and sling insults, that's your business.
This BB is for the exchange of ideas and I am using it as such.
My intent is to give some feedback to the design team. Look at the scores. Now while they don't tell the entire story they do cry "IMBALANCE"
It was just too one sided.
I have participated in many of these events but I cant remember one that was such a blow out. Most are very close events and that is a result of good design.
Bottom line is I could care less about scores and who won or lost. I do care about the future of these events. Put out bad events and pretty soon no one will show up.
Everyone has an opinion. You stated yours and he stated his.
The very first scenario of AH III, I expected a great time and I had a great time. The silly crap afterwards just stinks though. Good luck filling any future scenarios with the broken attitudes shown after this one.