I think you people need to move to a better neighborhood! :devil
I love living out in the country, outside of dang city limits and such.... and I don't have to pay for no damn security services, come here unwanted or trespassing, you'll have to either out run the bullet or the dogs that are about to tear you a new ass....
My daughters carry S&W .38 special revolvers and Browning .380 auto on 3/4 scale 1911 frame, their Mom carries a .357 may revolver and a .9 mm sig auto
TC
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shamus on November 26, 2016, 09:37:08 AM
If I'm working the burbs a sig .380, the city a officers model .45 or both.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Maverick on November 26, 2016, 11:13:21 AM
I have carried for well over 35 to 40 years now. Like Mbaily said it depends on what I'm wearing and time of year. I started out with a S&W 66 2.5". Since then it has ranged from a Commander, Officers Model, G 19, G26, G23, S&W 642, EMP, and most often lately a LCP because it fits in a pocket with the holster.
Qualification is still required annually for the LEOSA card so I shoot both a wheel gun and semi each year.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Nefarious on November 26, 2016, 11:21:45 AM
West Virginia has Constitutional Carry, no permit required.
I carry Ruger LCP .380
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: dentin on November 26, 2016, 11:32:32 AM
Kinda foolish to advertise weather you're "carrying" or not...imho. :old:
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: mthrockmor on November 26, 2016, 12:27:59 PM
Just purchased a Ruger SR22, .22 caliber.
Small, lightweight, loud bang when it goes off, very small kick, which allows for more accurate placement. I used to have a Walther PPK .380. Way too stiff in all regards. I could have taken to a gunsmith to have them reduce the weight pull on the trigger, etc though in general, its a cute weapon that is just less effective. Also, the cost of .380 ammo is much, much higher than simple .22.
Also, the Walther has a .22 caliber that is actually slightly lighter and smaller than the Ruger, and from what I hear a great model. The biggest difference, the Walther and the Ruger is cost, the Walther is about $75 more. My little Ruger, with tax was $300 brand new. It also has a threading option for silencers, which sounds fun though I'm not James Bond type so no need of a silencer. Actually, the opposite. Having a weapon ends 99% of any situations, and if you had to pull the trigger a big, loud bang should cause them to piss their pants as they run. Though if it must be, the small kick allows for very accurate round placement. No knockdown but placement kills just fine. If you want knockdown you're going to need a model 1911 .45.
Just my two cents.
boo
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: caldera on November 26, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
Kinda foolish to advertise weather you're "carrying" or not...imho. :old:
It's a safe bet that the powers that be don't actually discard data on purchases. As for individual criminals who may be lurking bulletin boards, they have much easier targets to choose from.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Devil 505 on November 26, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: mbailey on November 26, 2016, 03:43:32 PM
Kinda foolish to advertise weather you're "carrying" or not...imho. :old:
True, but given that I have no clue who 99.999% of the people here are, coupled with the fact 99.9999% of the people here have no clue who I am....I really don't think it matters. :old:
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rino on November 26, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
Bailey's easy enough to ID, he's the guy with a CCW holster playing with his elephant guns ;)
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 26, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
Thought about it a few years ago, but never saw the need. Not to mention, my friends getting harassed by having one when pulled over.
I have never been harassed. Simply show your DL and LTC and no problems at all.
My daughters and my wife all carry 9mm, I carry 40 or 45.
You fellas that carry .380s, my father in law did till he was attacked by a dog one night and unloaded on that dogs head. None penetrated till one went in his neck. The dog was a bull terrier.
He quit carrying the .380s after that.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 26, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
I have never been harassed. Simply show your DL and LTC and no problems at all.
:aok
and know the laws of each individual state, like for instance iirc, if I am driving through South Carolina (or is that Georgia? heh) I have to put my guns on the dash in plain sight, etc for each individual state laws will vary.. just saying
TC
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Kanth on November 26, 2016, 09:04:33 PM
I've also never been harassed. We do have open carry but why advertise.
Ruger LCP Glock 26
and hopefully here pretty soon sig sauer p938 scorpion :x
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: caldera on November 26, 2016, 09:13:29 PM
All this talk about guns made me have to go and buy another one. :D
Kahr CW9 - it's even lighter than my 380! :x
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Kanth on November 27, 2016, 07:52:44 AM
btw I figured I'd mention the trigger on the Ruger LCP is HORRIBLE..it takes about 50 years to pull it. Very compact, but kind of a PITA.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Phast12 on November 27, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
I have never had any issues with being harassed for carrying. I usually carry one of the following; HK USP compact, G19, Kimber Solo, Sig Sauer P320 Compact.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Xtrepid on November 27, 2016, 08:28:29 AM
Beretta 96D "Centurion"... and only use Federal Hydra-Shok .40 S&W 165 Grain JHP
X :salute
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: mike8318 on November 27, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
I have carried the same Colt Lightweight Commander since 1986. 45 ACP of course.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Maverick on November 27, 2016, 11:27:09 AM
btw I figured I'd mention the trigger on the Ruger LCP is HORRIBLE..it takes about 50 years to pull it. Very compact, but kind of a PITA.
There is a new model LCP, the LCP-s IIRC and it has a way better trigger. The sights are the worst problem IMO. They are very small and practically totally ineffective. The S&W bodyguard has better sights but an even worse trigger than the original LCP. :O
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 27, 2016, 02:30:49 PM
Bailey's easy enough to ID, he's the guy with a CCW holster playing with his elephant guns ;)
I've always thought my H&H in 600 Nitro Express would make an excellent self defense gun. I mean come on...a 900 grain bullet moving at 2164fps would def pass as adequate. Only down side is Blackhawk isn't making an IWB holster for it yet :D
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 27, 2016, 11:44:17 PM
I don't own a hand gun, but if I could I would carry my Marlin 30-30 in my pick-up every where I go. I'm just afraid it'd get stolen.
I keep a mossberg with pistol grip and 18 1/2" barrel in my truck. Behind the back seat.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Chalenge on November 28, 2016, 03:38:09 AM
If I ever have to defend myself I will also have to defend myself in court. The handgun I carry is highly customized to pump a lot of lead in a hurry, and I carry extra double-stacks.
Fortunately, most people behave themselves.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: EskimoJoe on November 28, 2016, 02:04:08 PM
I'm thinking about picking up an M&P 9 in some form, as my first handgun, with the intent of eventually getting my CCWP. My brother open carries a full-size 1911, and it's fun as hell to shoot, but I'm not a big fan of advertising if I can avoid it.
I think I'm gonna spend some time renting things at Knob Creek before deciding on anything, but I figured I'd see what you old-timers and the like prefer to use.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 28, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
We can open carry here in Texas. I'm of the opinion to not be the first target of a criminal so mine stay relatively concealed.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Serenity on November 28, 2016, 04:22:46 PM
I carry a .45, because they don't make a .46.
But seriously, I carry a Colt 1911. I like the caliber. I like the reliability. The accuracy. But most importantly, when I hold it, it just feels like a perfect match for my hand. Graceful and elegant, with a refined style. It's heavy, yes, but I like that. It's a very comfortable heft. It was the handgun I loved most as a kid, and I still do. My second-line carry would be a Makarov, for all of the reasons most people don't like 1911s. It's small, it's light, it's compact, but it's just as reliable and accurate as my 1911. It's a GREAT gun, with some history to it.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Serenity on November 28, 2016, 04:27:02 PM
Thought about it a few years ago, but never saw the need. Not to mention, my friends getting harassed by having one when pulled over.
Harrased? Heck, mine have gotten me out of a very well deserved traffic ticket lol. The cop had every right to throw the book at me, (Going a little fast, safety and registration out of date, several other minor things...) but when he saw my carry license, we spent the next 30 minutes chatting about guns, magazines, defense techniques, and he didn't feel like writing any tickets after that lol.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 28, 2016, 05:03:36 PM
We can open carry here in Texas. I'm of the opinion to not be the first target of a criminal so mine stay relatively concealed.
my thoughts exactly! although I barely do go out in public much anymore and most often I carry my Colt because it is smaller and I have a middle of the back holster I use and let my shirt tail cover........ my 44 mag, I use a shoulder holster to carry and were a jacket in the winter time
North Carolina is an open carry state as well, but you hardly ever see anyone doing it
TC
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on November 28, 2016, 05:50:56 PM
One topic regarding CCW that doesn't get as much time as the hardware, is training. There are many good options for CCW, small revolvers are great due to size, reliability, and the ability to make contact shots without a slide that can be pressed out of battery. Small autos are great due to capacity, size, and the ability to quickly reload them. Full size are great due to even more capacity, and more surface area for your hands which allows a stronger grip to be established, which means more accurate subsequent shots during rapid firing. There are many positives with various types. The real weapon is YOU, not the type of firearm.
If you've never gone through specific close quarter fighting/shooting training, I'm talking at least a 1-2 day 12 hour+ course where you put 500+ rounds per day through your handgun/carbine/whatever, you truly have NO idea how well you'll perform under stress. Even a single training course can make a huge positive change in not only your capabilities, but your mindset as well. When I was instructing for Sig Sauer Academy 13 years ago, there weren't many quality schools, but now there are several dozen I would recommend, and there is no reason anyone serious about defending themselves or their families shouldn't be training. Regardless of what you thing you know, or how good you believe you are, until you have professional instruction and have been put to the test under stressful conditions in front of many observers - you really have no idea on how you'll perform under combat conditions IMO.
Also, along with a weapons (firearms, magazines, impact/edged weapons, aerosol weapons, etc), you should be trained in gunshot/knife first aide, and be carrying a small package of critical first aid tools/supplies as well. Ask Rich46 here, who sees more pistol gunshots than probably any of us, 80% of pistol wounds are survivable these days. If you're involved in a CCW shooting/event, it'll be at least 15 minutes if not longer before medical personnel arrive, and often L/E won't even let them in the area where you are until it is secure. This means that YOU are responsible for saving yourself or any family/friendlies that have taken wounds - and they and you WILL - until the medical pros are able to help you. A couple of tourniquets, some chest stickies, quick clot type emergency bandages, curlex/guaze/etc to pack wounds, some scissors to quickly get clothing off, a couple pairs of gloves, a chest needle/tube to relieve pressure from common chest wounds, etc. All this can be fit in to a very small package in a ziplock and fit in a cargo pocket, or at least be in your vehicle and home. The training to use these things is very simple and easy, and having them near to hand can and will be the difference between bleeding out from a wound you and others can easily be saved from, or not. It's insane to me that many prepare for gunfights with weapons and combat training(some), but not the training and equipment to solve the EXTREMELY common wounds that happen in the majority of them.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 28, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
One topic regarding CCW that doesn't get as much time as the hardware, is training. There are many good options for CCW, small revolvers are great due to size, reliability, and the ability to make contact shots without a slide that can be pressed out of battery. Small autos are great due to capacity, size, and the ability to quickly reload them. Full size are great due to even more capacity, and more surface area for your hands which allows a stronger grip to be established, which means more accurate subsequent shots during rapid firing. There are many positives with various types. The real weapon is YOU, not the type of firearm.
If you've never gone through specific close quarter fighting/shooting training, I'm talking at least a 1-2 day 12 hour+ course where you put 500+ rounds per day through your handgun/carbine/whatever, you truly have NO idea how well you'll perform under stress. Even a single training course can make a huge positive change in not only your capabilities, but your mindset as well. When I was instructing for Sig Sauer Academy 13 years ago, there weren't many quality schools, but now there are several dozen I would recommend, and there is no reason anyone serious about defending themselves or their families shouldn't be training. Regardless of what you thing you know, or how good you believe you are, until you have professional instruction and have been put to the test under stressful conditions in front of many observers - you really have no idea on how you'll perform under combat conditions IMO.
Also, along with a weapons (firearms, magazines, impact/edged weapons, aerosol weapons, etc), you should be trained in gunshot/knife first aide, and be carrying a small package of critical first aid tools/supplies as well. Ask Rich46 here, who sees more pistol gunshots than probably any of us, 80% of pistol wounds are survivable these days. If you're involved in a CCW shooting/event, it'll be at least 15 minutes if not longer before medical personnel arrive, and often L/E won't even let them in the area where you are until it is secure. This means that YOU are responsible for saving yourself or any family/friendlies that have taken wounds - and they and you WILL - until the medical pros are able to help you. A couple of tourniquets, some chest stickies, quick clot type emergency bandages, curlex/guaze/etc to pack wounds, some scissors to quickly get clothing off, a couple pairs of gloves, a chest needle/tube to relieve pressure from common chest wounds, etc. All this can be fit in to a very small package in a ziplock and fit in a cargo pocket, or at least be in your vehicle and home. The training to use these things is very simple and easy, and having them near to hand can and will be the difference between bleeding out from a wound you and others can easily be saved from, or not. It's insane to me that many prepare for gunfights with weapons and combat training(some), but not the training and equipment to solve the EXTREMELY common wounds that happen in the majority of them.
All good quality information...
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: EskimoJoe on November 29, 2016, 01:50:22 AM
And all information I fundamentally agree with. I've already looked into making some first-aid kits for my car and on the go, and I'm bringing back a few sterile TQs and some other stuff from the 'Stan. While I agree you'll never know how exactly you'll perform under stress, even though my experiences here won't directly translate, I feel they give a decent baseline. I'm certainly interested in good CCW courses, but only after a I've put a couple hundred rounds through whatever I end up with. Only then will I consider courses, or even carrying in general.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on November 29, 2016, 08:13:47 AM
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And all information I fundamentally agree with. I've already looked into making some first-aid kits for my car and on the go, and I'm bringing back a few sterile TQs and some other stuff from the 'Stan. While I agree you'll never know how exactly you'll perform under stress, even though my experiences here won't directly translate, I feel they give a decent baseline. I'm certainly interested in good CCW courses, but only after a I've put a couple hundred rounds through whatever I end up with. Only then will I consider courses, or even carrying in general.
Your combat experience will give you the most important part of being able to do well in a civilian CCW/CQB situation, and that's mindset. Mindset is the most critical factor in any type of fight IMO. Specific handgun/close range fighting is just expanding your skillset within that mindset. In my experience soldiers and PSD guys from the PMCs I've worked with as a trainer, who have been under fire and seen combat, virtually always take the training very seriously, and are able to adapt their current skillset to new and more specific handgun fighting techniques. It's just expanding your skills, and past experience with stress under fire will help to rapidly understand and acquire more tools for your tool box.
Handguns due to their nature are hardest weapons to be proficient with, and doing so really improves your abilities to shoot shoulder supported weapons better as well. There are so many new techniques and trainers out there now, since I was working in the business, it's been a huge up arrow on the graph in terms of knowledge and applying new tecuniques that have been proven in the last decade or so. There is a ton of info out there on the net too, Youtube has a lot of stuff you can pick up and self train as well, although IMO as good as dry fire practice and self training is, it'll never do for you what a pro instructor in a class setting will.
IMO one of the best pistol, or any firearms, instructor out there is the Sheriff of Baghdad, John McPhee. I trained a lot with another x special missions unit member, Paul Howe at CSAT, but McPhee has really taken technology plus his vast knowledge and experience in gunfights, and combined it all into a system that improves your shooting more quickly than anything else I've seen or been through. Check out his Youtube channel and website, there a ton of vids that will show what you'll get into if you train with him, and he travels all over the USA doing training.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2016, 09:06:22 AM
And all information I fundamentally agree with. I've already looked into making some first-aid kits for my car and on the go, and I'm bringing back a few sterile TQs and some other stuff from the 'Stan. While I agree you'll never know how exactly you'll perform under stress, even though my experiences here won't directly translate, I feel they give a decent baseline. I'm certainly interested in good CCW courses, but only after a I've put a couple hundred rounds through whatever I end up with. Only then will I consider courses, or even carrying in general.
One should never carry a semi auto that has not had at least 200 rounds minimum through it. They need that just for break in. Then fire the loads you intend to carry. Just to be sure they work well with you gun of choice.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on November 29, 2016, 09:52:01 AM
Good advice Shuffler, never trust a firearm that you haven't put a significant amount of ammunition through, to confirm it functions and zeros with that ammunition. Great example recently of this, James Yeager on his channel this year made a big deal about switching from his G19 to the new Sig320 as his CCW weapon. Made a video and a big deal out of how he trusted it out of the box, never fired it, and slapped it into his IWB holster on camera. Heh, next video a week later, he test fires it for the first time - very first round, wham, stovepipe malfunction. Had he been in a real gunfight with that new unfired pistol, he would have been in a pretty bad situation having it have a malfunction like that. Yes, it's not the worst malfunction to clear, but it's a good 2 or 3 seconds for a very switched on shooter not under stress to get that weapon back in the fight.
Yeager made a huge mistake, carrying that thing and just trusting out of the box, and it's a good lesson that even a very experienced shooter can and will still make errors. I don't know why he did that, the pistol had no grease/lube as far as he knew from the factory, and even though it functioned flawlessly after he did lube it up and run it hard, it's a great lesson on never, ever trusting something you haven't fired yourself a reasonable amount with the ammunition you're going to carry.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Serenity on November 29, 2016, 09:55:53 AM
One should never carry a semi auto that has not had at least 200 rounds minimum through it. They need that just for break in. Then fire the loads you intend to carry. Just to be sure they work well with you gun of choice.
My carry gun is also my preferred range pistol. For fun, I use FMJ, but the last magazine of every range trip is always the magazine that I carry, so I can make sure they're still running fine, as well as making sure I'm not leaving the same bullet in the magazine for years at a time.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Ripsnort on November 29, 2016, 02:53:36 PM
Depends on the time of year and where I'm going.
My rotation duty guns are: CZ75 PCR D 9mm Colt Commander .45 ACP Para Ord P12 .45 ACp Colt 1908 Vest Pocket .25ACP (Back up) I also practice with all the above at the range on a rotational basis, min once a week (sometimes twice) But one thing is certain, I am ALWAYS armed. Or at the very least, within arms reach. The exception is the office at work, they don't allow us firearms at work.
The "Why" is as follows, the Para Ord "prints" the most, so it's mostly a winter carry. The Commander prints the least, so it's a summer attire pistol.
In the bedroom is a Remington 870 pump with buckshot (26" barrel) I don't keep any pistols or revolvers in the nightstand. Everything is either locked in the safe or locked in the center console of my SUV. The reason is, if someone should get past the security camera (monitored via email notification), get past the house alarm, get past the two dogs, and manages to ransack my house, they're only going to get a shotgun for all their trouble. All valuables are locked in a Liberty safe, that is bolted to the garage floor. I suppose they could chain it and pull it out of the bolts but that would draw a lot of attention from "stay at home" moms in my neighborhood.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Becinhu on November 29, 2016, 03:04:37 PM
AK-47. Just doesn't fit well in my pocket.
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Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2016, 03:49:49 PM
My rotation duty guns are: CZ75 PCR D 9mm Colt Commander .45 ACP Para Ord P12 .45 ACp Colt 1908 Vest Pocket .25ACP (Back up) I also practice with all the above at the range on a rotational basis, min once a week (sometimes twice) But one thing is certain, I am ALWAYS armed. Or at the very least, within arms reach. The exception is the office at work, they don't allow us firearms at work.
The "Why" is as follows, the Para Ord "prints" the most, so it's mostly a winter carry. The Commander prints the least, so it's a summer attire pistol.
In the bedroom is a Remington 870 pump with buckshot (26" barrel) I don't keep any pistols or revolvers in the nightstand. Everything is either locked in the safe or locked in the center console of my SUV. The reason is, if someone should get past the security camera (monitored via email notification), get past the house alarm, get past the two dogs, and manages to ransack my house, they're only going to get a shotgun for all their trouble. All valuables are locked in a Liberty safe, that is bolted to the garage floor. I suppose they could chain it and pull it out of the bolts but that would draw a lot of attention from "stay at home" moms in my neighborhood.
We can carry at work because I say we can. We have a nice shop in a nice area. You just never know.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Xtrepid on November 29, 2016, 04:54:34 PM
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on November 29, 2016, 05:57:03 PM
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We can carry at work because I say we can. We have a nice shop in a nice area. You just never know.
Good for you Shuffler, your employees should be proud to work in an environment which exercises simple logic. Have not need/need not have, and so forth and all. Murphy's law dictates it's always the one thing you didn't or couldn't have quickly to hand that you'll most need - and miss - in a crisis.
IMO Home defense and CCW are both important subjects, but completely different animals. First thing is you can and should use a shoulder supported weapon as your primary home defense tool, and have a handgun as a secondary weapon you can transition to if required, due to malfunctions, emergency reload times for your rifle being longer than a transition to your handgun, or if space and distance make it more optimal than your long gun. A rifle/shotgun is an inherently more effective weapon by nearly every metric, far easier to make hits with under stress, and far, far more lethality contained within each of those hits. It's a no brainer to me. Also, the nature of many types of 556 rounds makes them actually safer in terms of over-penetration within a structure/home/building/etc. So it's win-win, less chance of hitting friendlies beyond your target, and more chance of putting that target down. There are many types of shotgun rounds made for this specific purpose as well.
Shotguns are great if you're in a place where you may need to get through locked doors to defend others. There are many door breaching rounds available which allow you to cut through most doors in 2 seconds with a couple of quick shots and a good boot following that. Plus they are very simple to use, primarily a gross motor skill weapon, which is fantastic when you're under stress conditions.
One thing I would recommend for any long gun, be it rifle or shotgun, is if you're using it for home defense, put a light on it for the love of god. So many I see do NOT have this feature installed. They are cheap, and considering it'll likely be dark when you need it, and you may not have the option or time to flip on lights - or the power could be cut or out - having a white light on your primary shoulder weapon is absolutely essential. The new lights out there in the 1000+ lumen range also give you a very effective less lethal weapon, and various strobe modes can make your opponents chances of returning accurate fire go down by an order of magnitude. I've done plenty of force on force with sim/air munition rounds in low light, and have my instructor cert through SureFire's low light combat training system. When you get hit with that high lumen light, especially on strobe, shooting back accurately is completely impossible. That's something you truly want to do to your threats. Also, the case of mistaken identity - friends or family pulling a prank, or whatever, plus one of the 4 rules, always identify and know your target...this can only be done WITH a white light source in low light conditions. So, not having one is not only silly, but also opens you up to all kinds of legal issues too. If you have a secondary pistol for home defense, having a light on it, or better yet a second light that is handheld to use with that or to use in tight quarters, is a must too. It should be with or right beside your go-to gear.
Last bit - armor. I've dealt with a guy in Texas I met at CSAT, who sells cheap/used/etc armor for a long time, and considering just how cheap you can get a 3a vest for now, or better yet lvl 4 plates and a carrier, there is NO reason you shouldn't have one of these with your go-to gear. It takes a couple seconds to throw on, and statistically will greatly increase your odds of staying in a fight and finishing it. Seriously, $200, or even $100 can get you a used/decent 3a vest if you shop around, and a really good lvl 4 or Ar500 steel plates are pretty cheap now too. BulletProofMe.com is a good place to look if you're on a budget.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on November 29, 2016, 09:32:46 PM
For every one round I shoot in a range I shoot probably 100 in my basement.
Dry firing of course but your muscles dont know that. And building into your muscle memory the ability to smoothly and quickly draw and fire , reload, use cover...ect is all a product of training and repetition. Most shooters look at dry firing as silly but nothing is more important to become a good shot.
When I worked the street I carried a .45 on my right hip and a 9mm on my left. I wasnt born ambidextrous I trained myself to shoot lefty, and to shoot one hand, and to reload with one hand using my mouth and other joints to do so cause you never know where your going to get wounded at. Got shot in your strong arm? Now what?
I keep things simple and pretty much only carry 9mm and .380 now. Im never going to work the street again but if its one thing I learned its anything can and will happen and when it does you'll react the way you trained. Theres just no time to ponder deep thoughts. And I also recommend good practical shooting schools. Not the ones ran by egotistical big mouths that never have a good thing to say but by professionals who know how to work with, and improve, the skills you bring to the table. There ARE some real strokes in this industry.
As well, Im still around cause I saw the trouble coming and reacted to it in time. And that is even more important then poking pretty little groups in paper on the range.
I like Glocks cause they are simple and they work. I carry a 19, a 43, and have a 34. But there are many fine choices out there.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: BuckShot on November 29, 2016, 10:20:13 PM
Warm weather: SW 638 .38
Cold weather: SW M&P .45
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on November 30, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
IMO 90% of your trigger presses should be dry fire. There are lots of home aids/tools available out there now to assist with dry fire practice too, they are inexpensive and if used properly can help you learn proper fire control. One of the most common problems is not keeping the pistol completely motionless when pressing the trigger, anticipating the shot, and not having proper follow through when resetting the trigger. Dry fire aids can help show problems and also help you correct them.
Rich is right, there are a lot of shills out there now, thousands it seems, but there is also a huge increase in quality schools as experience trained guys retire from the military and other units and start up training programs of their own. Like I said, I was fortunate to work for one of the early Pro schools, back when there was fewer than 10 in the entire USA, we trained and equipped the secret service, naval special warfare, and many others with not just our gear but our developed curriculum regarding fighting with handguns back then at SigArms Academy. As I said a few posts before, there are probably 30 or more schools/instructors I would recommend. Unfortunately, the ratio of crap to good is high on the crap side.
Regarding strong/weak side training, I've posted about this here before, but I'll repeat, that Rich is right here as well. When fighting around obstacles, vehicles, on the ground around vehicles, and so on, you may not be able to get a sight picture with your strong side, and due to the random nature of cover, may have to switch to your weaker side. Wounds as well, but you're typically going to want to switch sides fare more frequently just due to the position you are in while in cover than due to some sort of injury, but training for that is obviously good too. Being able to rapidly switch sides with both handguns and shoulder supported weapons is important, and there are a few good techniques to both switch, and shoot, from your non dominant side. IMO you should always purchase a holster for your weak side, and force yourself to do entire courses of fire, even entire courses, switching to your non dominant hand as your primary.
Regarding handguns/gear, there are so many good options out there that it's really personal preference now, there is only a couple of models I would not recommend now, the vast majority are suitable IF they are suitable for you. You will here wild stories about 100s of thousands of rounds through various models/etc, this is all BS, the majority have a service life of 20 to 40k, and having worked in businesses where millions of pistol rounds were fired every quarter, I've seen every make and type have parts failures, catastrophic failures as well, with dozens of examples of each popular type we used. So ignore any nonsense you read about one model having massively more longevity over an another, failures are random, and unpredictable, much like wounds. They do happen to every make/model, and unless you are paid to shoot, or in a unit that pays for your ammunition every day, the odds are just due to cost alone few shooters will ever push the service life of their tools.
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As well, Im still around cause I saw the trouble coming and reacted to it in time. And that is even more important then poking pretty little groups in paper on the range.
Repeating myself again, but this is an important lesson learned that we can all take away from - Mindset. Mindset is far, far more important than your shooting/fighting physical skills are. The main weapon is between your ears, and the more you properly train, the more effective it will become, the physical shooting and moving part in training is just a great byproduct/bonus - this is how I've always looked at training.
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Post by: Mister Fork on November 30, 2016, 10:31:50 AM
Repeating myself again, but this is an important lesson learned that we can all take away from - Mindset. Mindset is far, far more important than your shooting/fighting physical skills are. The main weapon is between your ears, and the more you properly train, the more effective it will become, the physical shooting and moving part in training is just a great byproduct/bonus - this is how I've always looked at training.
+1 on this. Mindset is EVERYTHING. I taught young men and women how to shoot, from the rifle, LMG's, and pistols. (I'm a vet, and former instructor).
Without the right mindset AND training, might as well be carrying a nice pen. If your training doesn't help you focus with the situation at hand, the flight/fight response will kick in. And for the military, to teach the soldier to respond properly, took hundreds of hours, daily practice drills, and a whole lotta rounds on the range. And without the right mindset, your CCW will become a liability, not an asset.
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Post by: Vudu15 on November 30, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
Beretta 84FS Cheetah in .380
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Post by: -ammo- on December 01, 2016, 09:16:06 AM
Current carry weapon is a S&W Shield in 9MM. Another good question is what holster are you using. I really dig my Alien Gear IWB and OWB form fit holsters. Comfortable for me even while sitting in the driver's seat wearing a seatbelt.
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Post by: -ammo- on December 01, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
We can carry at work because I say we can. We have a nice shop in a nice area. You just never know.
This warms my heart.
Used to be the person working on a military base/post could carry if State laws allowed. At some point the feds decided personnel couldn't bring a weapon on post unless it was to go to the range or hunt (if available).
I have written my Senator (Sessions) several letters about this in the past, and I hope there will be a change soon.
Why is it important to me? I work on a military post, effectively disenfranchising me from my right to carry 80% of the time.
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Post by: Ripsnort on December 01, 2016, 11:25:31 AM
That's great. My statement said they don't allow us, I didn't say I follow their rules. ;)
I am pretty sure it's a felony to get caught - I know if the guards at the gate of the post I work discover a firearm on me or in my vehicle is a bad thing. I would be prosecuted in federal court and lose the firearm.
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Post by: Vraciu on December 01, 2016, 12:53:04 PM
Sig P229 classic (non-railed) in .40 S&W or .357 SIG, depending.
Recently bought a pair of P239s in 9mm and have been carrying one of those when I am too lazy to grab a holster/belt. Just drop it into a pocket and off I go. Both are great handguns.
Reliable. Accurate. Simple to operate. And they're good looking. :)
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Post by: morfiend on December 01, 2016, 01:02:56 PM
I've always thought my H&H in 600 Nitro Express would make an excellent self defense gun. I mean come on...a 900 grain bullet moving at 2164fps would def pass as adequate. Only down side is Blackhawk isn't making an IWB holster for it yet :D
MB,
Why use a toy when you could use a real gun!
Try a 4 bore stopping gun! Fires a 113 gram,ya gram not grain projectile! Concealment might be a problem but stopping power is never an issue!
If I was more tech savvy I'd link a video but a simple search for stopping rifles will give you several looks at what I'm talking about! They are available in either rifled or smooth bore.
:salute
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Post by: Rich46yo on December 01, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
My kids in USAF and he says this is all changing. Troops will be able to carry as long as they have had the training the your CO signs off.
Used to be the person working on a military base/post could carry if State laws allowed. At some point the feds decided personnel couldn't bring a weapon on post unless it was to go to the range or hunt (if available).
I have written my Senator (Sessions) several letters about this in the past, and I hope there will be a change soon.
Why is it important to me? I work on a military post, effectively disenfranchising me from my right to carry 80% of the time.
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Post by: Ripsnort on December 01, 2016, 01:26:47 PM
I am pretty sure it's a felony to get caught - I know if the guards at the gate of the post I work discover a firearm on me or in my vehicle is a bad thing. I would be prosecuted in federal court and lose the firearm.
I work in an office building off site from any major plants.
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Post by: -ammo- on December 01, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
Try a 4 bore stopping gun! Fires a 113 gram,ya gram not grain projectile! Concealment might be a problem but stopping power is never an issue!
If I was more tech savvy I'd link a video but a simple search for stopping rifles will give you several looks at what I'm talking about! They are available in either rifled or smooth bore.
:salute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYtxxRU_cY
Hey Morf!
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Post by: morfiend on December 04, 2016, 03:00:17 AM
Thanks Batty! :aok
:salute
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Post by: mbailey on December 04, 2016, 03:07:17 AM
Closest beach to me is in NJ...and since they are a communist state I can't carry there. We ccw holders here in PA call it "The People's Republic of New Jersey" :D
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Post by: mbailey on December 04, 2016, 03:08:20 AM
Current carry weapon is a S&W Shield in 9MM. Another good question is what holster are you using. I really dig my Alien Gear IWB and OWB form fit holsters. Comfortable for me even while sitting in the driver's seat wearing a seatbelt.
I second that...
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Post by: mbailey on December 04, 2016, 03:10:56 AM
Try a 4 bore stopping gun! Fires a 113 gram,ya gram not grain projectile! Concealment might be a problem but stopping power is never an issue!
If I was more tech savvy I'd link a video but a simple search for stopping rifles will give you several looks at what I'm talking about! They are available in either rifled or smooth bore.
:salute
Bad idea...just ask RINO.....tempting me is a bad thing lol :D
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Post by: AKIron on December 06, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
Idaho is a permitless concealed carry state now. I feel safer already.
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Post by: captain1ma on December 10, 2016, 10:17:56 PM
S&W 6906 in Mass. im one of the few CCW holders left in the state, they banned them all! LOL, well they're trying anyway!
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Post by: saggs on December 12, 2016, 09:53:32 PM
I like to keep myself away from situations that require a weapon.
Having one is like having 4 wheel drive.............you may end up getting in a situation that you would not have entered without 4 wheel drive.
I understand certain jobs put you into situations.
I appreciate and support your opinion and action not to carry, but the statement above is flawed. If you can tell when and where you need a CCW you clearly can tell the future about all traffic accidents, house fires, etc......
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Post by: Shamus on December 13, 2016, 08:41:18 PM
I understand what icepac means.
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Post by: AKIron on December 13, 2016, 08:45:38 PM
No one with any sense wants to be in a situation that requires you to defend yourself or others with a weapon if it can be avoided. Concealed carry has been proven to provide you a means of defense when those unexpected situations arise but also, and maybe more importantly, reduces the possibility you will find yourself in one of those situations.
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Post by: Shuffler on December 13, 2016, 10:05:05 PM
I like to keep myself away from situations that require a weapon.
Obviously the best option is avoidance, this is true. Don't go to ATMs at 1am in the bad part of town... that kind of thing.
But consider some recent high profile events, and where they occurred.. hardy what you'd consider "bad" situations are they?
-An office Christmas party in the middle of the day, in a San Bernadino, CA business park. -Going to the movies in Aurora, CO -Just walking down the street in the middle of the day in Isla Vista, CA -An evening shopping at the Crossroads Mall in St. Cloud MN. -Walking between classes at Ohio State, or Umpqua Community College, or VA tech
Those are just off the top of my head... now consider that for every high profile attack like that, which are all over the national news, there are probably thousands of stories you don't hear about.
Peruse this for while, for just a few. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/?s=defensive+gun+use+of+the+day
Of course NO ONE can say what difference (if any) would have been made if there was a good guy with a gun present at any of these events. But I believe that people have an unalienable right to self defense, and forcing them to be defenseless is immoral.
I'm not going to tell anyone to buy or carry a gun (certainly if you're not willing to learn how to use it and get training, and practice regularly I don't think you should) but I do believe every law abiding citizen should have be able to make that choice for themselves. I carry (when able, I cannot at work due to TSA restrictions at airports) a gun for the same reason I have a fire extinguisher at home, or home/auto/health insurance, or a first aid/trauma kit at home and in the vehicle, or food storage at home, or a 72hr kit in the vehicle. I hope I never have to use any of it, but I'm glad I have it. Not saying you should of course use a gun in every situation where you might. It's fight or flee right? Sometimes flee is the wiser choice, But it's nice to have a fight option available too.
The argument I always come back to is this:
When some kind of really bad attack is going on, what's the first thing people do? "Call the Police." Why? "Because they have guns and know how to use them." Hmmmm... what if you had a gun and knew how to use it? (same argument goes for trauma/first aid kits and training too.)
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Post by: Kanth on December 16, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
For some reason reminded me of this image I saw a few years back.
(http://i.imgur.com/bbR3SIU.jpg)
Kids are really good at button pressing in video games, which would also make them really good at launching AMRAAMs. :airplane:
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Post by: AKIron on December 17, 2016, 11:41:21 PM
Of course firearms are only machines and little different in their lack of self-motivation from automobiles except they kill fewer people.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 17, 2016, 11:52:13 PM
I own a couple of guns and while I respect those who wish to carry, what I find annoying is in some who do carry to look down upon those of us who wish to not carry.
I dont carry a first aid kit in my car, I dont have a month's supply of food in my home. I prefer to go every day to the store and buy what I need for that day or maybe a couple of days. that's my choice and if you want to store more that is yours.
I believe in the second amendment, but I also believe it doesnt force me to own or carry anything in my possession.
semp
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Post by: Molsman on December 18, 2016, 12:09:42 AM
compact 40 by Taurus hides well with anything I wear and not bulky
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Post by: OldNitro on December 18, 2016, 05:07:01 AM
I carry a Novak's Custom shop, Browning Hi-power, + 2x15rd mags. In a Kramer horsehide dropout, (butt down) shoulder holster. Backup is a NAA .22mag mini revolver, in my bluejeans watch pocket..
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Post by: FLOOB on December 18, 2016, 08:06:16 AM
Deplorables!
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Post by: AKIron on December 18, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
I own a couple of guns and while I respect those who wish to carry, what I find annoying is in some who do carry to look down upon those of us who wish to not carry.
I dont carry a first aid kit in my car, I dont have a month's supply of food in my home. I prefer to go every day to the store and buy what I need for that day or maybe a couple of days. that's my choice and if you want to store more that is yours.
I believe in the second amendment, but I also believe it doesnt force me to own or carry anything in my possession.
semp
I can carry but often don't. When I see someone suffer a calamity that might have been avoided through care and planning I only tsk a little and am glad it wasn't me and try to learn from their mistake.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 18, 2016, 12:36:33 PM
I can carry but often don't. When I see someone suffer a calamity that might have been avoided through care and planning I only tsk a little and am glad it wasn't me and try to learn from their mistake.
only time I have taken a weapon out of my house for protection was a few years ago when kermit came to visit after the chino airshow. he left and mentioned he was gonna put gas, so I followed him just in case. there had been a robbery at that gas station the week before, nobody got hurt. but I did it anyway just in case. in was like midnight. he put gas and then he left. I went home and played ah all night.
semp
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Post by: Shuffler on December 18, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
I own a couple of guns and while I respect those who wish to carry, what I find annoying is in some who do carry to look down upon those of us who wish to not carry.
I dont carry a first aid kit in my car, I dont have a month's supply of food in my home. I prefer to go every day to the store and buy what I need for that day or maybe a couple of days. that's my choice and if you want to store more that is yours.
I believe in the second amendment, but I also believe it doesnt force me to own or carry anything in my possession.
semp
I don't imagine they really look down on you. They more than likely Mark you as a potential threat should things go to crap. When you and your family are starving you will try anything to get food. That is what happens when you fail to prepare. Same as buying insurance. Do you not buy insurance too?
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Post by: guncrasher on December 18, 2016, 06:08:50 PM
I don't imagine they really look down on you. They more than likely Mark you as a potential threat should things go to crap. When you and your family are starving you will try anything to get food. That is what happens when you fail to prepare. Same as buying insurance. Do you not buy insurance too?
we are not in times or place where i have to have 6 month's supply of food or 30k rounds of ammo. if that's how you feel that's your call. I am not scared to go outside of my house and look around if that's how you feel then it's your call. but what i hate is people trying to scare me into a time that is not here yet.
semp
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Post by: Phast12 on December 18, 2016, 07:10:46 PM
we are not in times or place where i have to have 6 month's supply of food or 30k rounds of ammo. if that's how you feel that's your call. I am not scared to go outside of my house and look around if that's how you feel then it's your call. but what i hate is people trying to scare me into a time that is not here yet.
semp
I would never try and scare or belittle someone for there choice, I do however point out facts sometimes to try and help someone make an informed decision. Like FEMA recommends a minimum of three days food and water on hand in case of a natural disaster, But what one does with the info is up to them.
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Post by: Shuffler on December 18, 2016, 08:16:11 PM
we are not in times or place where i have to have 6 month's supply of food or 30k rounds of ammo. if that's how you feel that's your call. I am not scared to go outside of my house and look around if that's how you feel then it's your call. but what i hate is people trying to scare me into a time that is not here yet.
semp
Everyone can do as they wish. I have no problem with that as do most individuals who are prepared.
I'm good with that. I'll say good luck to you and your family.
I insure my family just in case. We have a group in our neighborhood. We have offered others to join and most have. Everyone has something to offer. We have power, water (three wells one very deep), ability to clean surface water. one year of food per family, ammunition, guns, two doctors (one a surgeon), four nurses (two triage), and firewood. The most important reason we have ammunition and guns is to protect our water and food supply from those that do not prepare.
Ammunition is also good to extend our food supply by hunting.
It all adds up to insurance. If you do not believe in insurance, then do not invest in it. Of course many companies require you to invest in some and that is for a reason.
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Post by: saggs on December 18, 2016, 10:02:50 PM
we are not in times or place where i have to have 6 month's supply of food or 30k rounds of ammo. if that's how you feel that's your call. I am not scared to go outside of my house and look around if that's how you feel then it's your call. but what i hate is people trying to scare me into a time that is not here yet.
semp
Regarding food storage; Trouble is that WHEN you get to a time where you need it. (natural disaster, unemployment or other financial trouble, terrorist attack, etc..) then it's too late to get it. The whole point is to build a reserve when times are good, so you have it when times are bad. Superstorm Sandy and hurricane Katrina are 2 great example of the need to have some food stored.
It's not about being some crazy doomsday prepper. I come from a church background where we are encouraged to have a years supply of food, and I personally know many people who have dipped into their food storage, and the MOST common reasons for doing so is financial hardships due to unexpected medical bills, or unemployment. It's nice to know that if everything falls apart financially, at least you don't need to worry about how you'll pay for your next meal.
If you wait till you lose your job, or get hit with crazy medical bills, or a storm knocks out the power grid for 2 weeks, to get some food storage.... then it's already too late.
As for not having a first aid and/or trauma kit in your vehicle and home... that's just inexcusable to me. You can pick up a good one for $40 or $50, they require no maintenance and little training to use, and they may well save a life someday. I can't force people, but I think there is no excuse for every adult in the country not to know basic first aid, CPR and AED.
Be your own first responder people.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 19, 2016, 07:08:59 PM
Regarding food storage; Trouble is that WHEN you get to a time where you need it. (natural disaster, unemployment or other financial trouble, terrorist attack, etc..) then it's too late to get it. The whole point is to build a reserve when times are good, so you have it when times are bad. Superstorm Sandy and hurricane Katrina are 2 great example of the need to have some food stored.
It's not about being some crazy doomsday prepper. I come from a church background where we are encouraged to have a years supply of food, and I personally know many people who have dipped into their food storage, and the MOST common reasons for doing so is financial hardships due to unexpected medical bills, or unemployment. It's nice to know that if everything falls apart financially, at least you don't need to worry about how you'll pay for your next meal.
If you wait till you lose your job, or get hit with crazy medical bills, or a storm knocks out the power grid for 2 weeks, to get some food storage.... then it's already too late.
As for not having a first aid and/or trauma kit in your vehicle and home... that's just inexcusable to me. You can pick up a good one for $40 or $50, they require no maintenance and little training to use, and they may well save a life someday. I can't force people, but I think there is no excuse for every adult in the country not to know basic first aid, CPR and AED.
Be your own first responder people.
while I agree with you. but it all depends where you live. so take precautions based on that. I live in san bernardino, so having 10k of ammo to go hunting is pretty much a dream. I also live in a small apartment so putting all the foodstuff for 1 year will take a full bedroom which I cant. that doesnt mean i havent planed. I keep 2k in cash in my mattress. while not a lot in san bernardino the only thing we have to worry about is earthquakes and looters after. as for my car I always carry a box of gloves and a couple of clean tshirts. if I happen on an accident that should take care of that, I need no stinking first aid kit. and I am first aid certified.
I have about 40 bullets in my house and I dont feel the need to need more. if you do, it's your choice. if you need 1 year's supply of food I support you. if you need 10k of ammo to go hunting I support you. all I ask is dont look down on me. I am not gonna go 4 states over to steal your food.
semp
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Kanth on December 19, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
I own a couple of guns and while I respect those who wish to carry, what I find annoying is in some who do carry to look down upon those of us who wish to not carry.
I dont carry a first aid kit in my car, I dont have a month's supply of food in my home. I prefer to go every day to the store and buy what I need for that day or maybe a couple of days. that's my choice and if you want to store more that is yours.
I believe in the second amendment, but I also believe it doesnt force me to own or carry anything in my possession.
semp
Then you are a problem to those who HAVE prepared because you'll be dependent on those that prepare. Do you want to depend on the government to bring you water in a major event? Food? Is your plan to leech, beg and plea to those who are prepared?
Don't be "That guy". Many events happen without much warning, be it Volcanic activity, Tornados, major storms, Earthquakes, mebbe something worse like solar flare that knocks out major power.
At LEAST have a two week supply on hand so you're not tripping over my front lawn begging for food. I won't give you any if you didn't have anything but pantry supplies on hand.
Hell, even the Government advertises on television to be prepared. They're telling you "We ain't gonna get to you as fast as you'd like".
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Post by: Shuffler on December 20, 2016, 01:07:23 PM
Then you are a problem to those who HAVE prepared because you'll be dependent on those that prepare. Do you want to depend on the government to bring you water in a major event? Food? Is your plan to leech, beg and plea to those who are prepared?
Don't be "That guy". Many events happen without much warning, be it Volcanic activity, Tornados, major storms, Earthquakes, mebbe something worse like solar flare that knocks out major power.
At LEAST have a two week supply on hand so you're not tripping over my front lawn begging for food. I won't give you any if you didn't have anything but pantry supplies on hand.
Hell, even the Government advertises on television to be prepared. They're telling you "We ain't gonna get to you as fast as you'd like".
Most ammunition set aside is not for hunting. Most of it would be used to protect our supplies from those who were not prepared.
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Post by: guncrasher on December 20, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
Then you are a problem to those who HAVE prepared because you'll be dependent on those that prepare. Do you want to depend on the government to bring you water in a major event? Food? Is your plan to leech, beg and plea to those who are prepared?
Don't be "That guy". Many events happen without much warning, be it Volcanic activity, Tornados, major storms, Earthquakes, mebbe something worse like solar flare that knocks out major power.
At LEAST have a two week supply on hand so you're not tripping over my front lawn begging for food. I won't give you any if you didn't have anything but pantry supplies on hand.
Hell, even the Government advertises on television to be prepared. They're telling you "We ain't gonna get to you as fast as you'd like".
Good for you that you are prepared. Me I like eating fresh fruits and vegetables and meat.
I love it when you become so self righteous.
Semp
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Post by: Kanth on December 20, 2016, 04:34:30 PM
if you were wanting to get some food supplies... (speaking to anyone reading this)
we taste tested a bunch of different places before ordering and I'd recommend doing that .
We scored on ease of instructions for cooking and taste and price. Personally we chose dailybread but there are others around. I think mountainhouse repackages dailybread at least partially in theirs. Food is food but there's no reason it should have to taste horrible.
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Post by: BuckShot on December 20, 2016, 04:41:36 PM
Down went the gunner, a bullet was his fate Down went the gunner, and then the gunner's mate Up jumped the sky pilot, gave the boys a look And manned the gun himself as he laid aside The Book, shouting Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition And we'll all stay free Praise the Lord and swing into position Can't afford to be a politician Praise the Lord, we're all between perdition And the deep blue sea Yes the sky pilot said it Ya gotta give him credit For a son of a gun of a gunner was he shouting Praise the Lord, we're on a mighty mission All aboard, we ain't a-goin' fishin' Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition And we'll all stay free.
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Post by: saggs on December 21, 2016, 10:50:32 PM
Good for you that you are prepared. Me I like eating fresh fruits and vegetables and meat.
I love it when you become so self righteous.
Semp
That statement has to be the biggest non-sequitur I've read in a long time.
Why do you believe that having some long term food storage would force you to change you're daily meal habits?
Nobody is asking you to change your daily shopping and eating habits, just to consider putting something aside for the proverbial rainy day as well. Like thousands of people in storms like Sandy and Katrina wish they had, or thousands who face sudden unemployment or unexpected medical bills.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on December 22, 2016, 04:00:01 AM
Not to mention that the stores will not have anything on shelves in which to explore days.
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Post by: Ripsnort on December 22, 2016, 07:16:06 AM
perhaps these unprepared types are the study of Darwin "Survival of the fittest" theory. Might be a good thing, ya know? :)
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Post by: Randy1 on December 22, 2016, 07:50:49 AM
An Atlanta big buck lawyer shot his wife from the back seat with his gun from the glove compartment. His story was the driver made a bad turn into a bad neighborhood. His wife sitting in the front seat handed him his gun at his request to him in the back seat. His story is he feel asleep with the gun held and laying in his lap, woke up startled and pulled the trigger by accident shooting her through the seat in the back.
Guns have their place but it takes a very cool head to protect with lethal weapons. Note the number of bad decisions police personal have made. What we need is a better testing method for CCW and police type jobs to weed out people that made bad decisions under pressure.
Now i do not have have any real food storage but here in the USA I really should with with some over due natural disasters looming. Just makes sense to have a few MRE's on hand if things happened. I do not have any but should have.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: OldNitro on December 22, 2016, 07:59:49 AM
See Rule #14
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: guncrasher on December 22, 2016, 11:58:23 AM
That statement has to be the biggest non-sequitur I've read in a long time.
Why do you believe that having some long term food storage would force you to change you're daily meal habits?
Nobody is asking you to change your daily shopping and eating habits, just to consider putting something aside for the proverbial rainy day as well. Like thousands of people in storms like Sandy and Katrina wish they had, or thousands who face sudden unemployment or unexpected medical bills.
I live in a very small apartment, I barely have enough space for 3 days worth of food.
Anther thing, where I live, there's no hurricanes. No tornadoes, nothing like that. It doesn't snow or rain more than a couple of inches. There's no flooding.
Semp
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Wiley on December 22, 2016, 12:04:41 PM
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Randy1 on December 22, 2016, 12:24:18 PM
The problem is food source interruption on a global scale like a Super volcano eruption or meteor collision with earth. Odds are in our favor but being prepared is not a bad idea.
An Atlanta big buck lawyer shot his wife from the back seat with his gun from the glove compartment. His story was the driver made a bad turn into a bad neighborhood. His wife sitting in the front seat handed him his gun at his request to him in the back seat. His story is he feel asleep with the gun held and laying in his lap, woke up startled and pulled the trigger by accident shooting her through the seat in the back.
Guns have their place but it takes a very cool head to protect with lethal weapons. Note the number of bad decisions police personal have made. What we need is a better testing method for CCW and police type jobs to weed out people that made bad decisions under pressure.
Now i do not have have any real food storage but here in the USA I really should with with some over due natural disasters looming. Just makes sense to have a few MRE's on hand if things happened. I do not have any but should have.
Well I myself have made dozens of good decisions under pressure with firearms and Im nobody special. In fact thousands of legally armed Americans make good decisions every day that you never hear of.
You hear the few "allegations" cause they sell newspapers and then somehow transpose those "few allegations" into a thing you call "common" in a country of 330,000,000 people that crosses four time zones. The truth is CCW incidents are extremely rare, I havnt heard of one in a city of 3,000,000 since they instituted the Law. And there is no way to weed out people for bad decisions they might make in the future. The Pre-Crime unit isnt up and running yet.
I wouldnt be so quick to criticize on a subject you seem to know little of. After you chase a gangster for a few blocks, exchange fire with him, find him 10 mins later full of holes and the gun recirculating in the neighborhood armory, then come back and lecture me on the bad decisions Police make. Its gotten to the point the only good decision is to make no decision and as long as he's running away from you why risk your freedom and paycheck?
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Randy1 on December 23, 2016, 06:49:27 AM
Rich is was not meant to criticize our law officers just point out the need to weed out the very few bad decision makers. I so much dislike the prosecution of our law officers when the problem should be focused on the officer selection process.
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Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2016, 07:14:50 AM
Rich is was not meant to criticize our law officers just point out the need to weed out the very few bad decision makers. I so much dislike the prosecution of our law officers when the problem should be focused on the officer selection process.
Worse yet as it should be understood that in most every case the perp was not doing as the officer asked. The perp usually sets the value of their life.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: YUCCA on December 23, 2016, 11:00:35 AM
Sig Sauer P227 SAS Gen2 Carry. A bit pricey but a joy to shoot. Very pleased with it.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: AKIron on December 23, 2016, 12:12:28 PM
I bought a Sig 290RS to carry a while back. Found it to be larger than I liked so bought a S&W Bodyguard 380. It's just right.You can see the size difference is significant in my pic.
I live in a very small apartment, I barely have enough space for 3 days worth of food.
Anther thing, where I live, there's no hurricanes. No tornadoes, nothing like that. It doesn't snow or rain more than a couple of inches. There's no flooding.
Semp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvSk5nVgfXg
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: AKIron on December 24, 2016, 10:25:09 AM
Anyone should be able to keep large bags of rice and beans around with a few jugs of water. Not expensive and could keep you alive for weeks or months in a catastrophic event like an EMP attack.
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Post by: Gray on December 24, 2016, 08:23:20 PM
S&W 442 snubby. Hornady Critical Defense .38 +P
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Post by: KCDitto on December 24, 2016, 09:37:40 PM
OK,
That was an interesting read.
I live in California and have a CCW. I have had it for years now and it is in jeopardy due to the Democrat super majority here in the state assembly and senate and governor.
I also carry different depending on day and temperature outside. Here in California we have to disclose 3 weapons and can only carry those. It cost 10 bucks to change it.
I have 3 1911's one an original Colt and one tricked out for speed Springfield Armory TRP. And my Carry one is a Remington R1 Enhanced. I carry that one due to it's smooth outer surfaces and slides in and out of my holster easy.
Yea it is heavy so I purchased some Tactical Tupperware also. I have a Springfield Armory XD in .40
I also have a RUGER in 9mm but do not like the trigger having a long pull on the first round and easy on the rest.
I have many others but those are my carry.
As far as the home defense issue I still have a hand gun near my bed upstairs and another under my desk downstairs. I have 3 shotguns but the amount of damage to drywall and furnishings is too much. I also have a M1A upstairs for the event that S*#T gets serious.
I believe in being prepared. I lived in Oklahoma for 10 years and twice had issues where having some food around was good. We had a severe ice storm that knocked out power for 3 days. After the first day the local grocery stores were empty. Then we had a tornado blow through that took out the grocery store. Ever since I have been someone who keeps stuff around. I have food for a month and water also. lots of ammo ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE. :D
I have tried a lot of holsters but I have really come to love the "belly band" it is movable and I got one with the trigger guard. I carry appendix so it is good to be able to move it around for sitting.
Medical kit? Yes you should have one, you never know when you could be the difference between life and death of someone you love.
Training? YES as much as you can afford both in time and money. Saving money on education is like stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.
As far as reaction go to those simulators, they are awesome.
Good topic
Thanks for playing
Now back to our regular scheduled program.
Ditto
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Kanth on December 24, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
I also am a fan of the belly band. Very comfortable.
I have tried a lot of holsters but I have really come to love the "belly band" it is movable and I got one with the trigger guard. I carry appendix so it is good to be able to move it around for sitting. Ditto
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: lambo31 on December 25, 2016, 06:05:45 AM
Well I myself have made dozens of good decisions under pressure with firearms and Im nobody special. In fact thousands of legally armed Americans make good decisions every day that you never hear of.
You hear the few "allegations" cause they sell newspapers and then somehow transpose those "few allegations" into a thing you call "common" in a country of 330,000,000 people that crosses four time zones. The truth is CCW incidents are extremely rare, I havnt heard of one in a city of 3,000,000 since they instituted the Law. And there is no way to weed out people for bad decisions they might make in the future. The Pre-Crime unit isnt up and running yet.
I wouldnt be so quick to criticize on a subject you seem to know little of. After you chase a gangster for a few blocks, exchange fire with him, find him 10 mins later full of holes and the gun recirculating in the neighborhood armory, then come back and lecture me on the bad decisions Police make. Its gotten to the point the only good decision is to make no decision and as long as he's running away from you why risk your freedom and paycheck?
:aok
I carry a Glock 20 10mm mostly, some times a Ruger LCR 22 Lambo
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Phast12 on December 25, 2016, 08:29:54 AM
I carry IWB and really like the Alien Gear holsters and the Comp-Tac MTac. I am looking to probably pick up a belly band as well after seeing how well they work.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: KCDitto on December 25, 2016, 09:17:28 AM
I have an Alien Gear for my 1911. Just to rigid and uncomfortable for getting in and out of the car. I also have a Serpa but after all the horror stories of the gun getting stuck I do not use that one anymore.
You will love the Belly Band
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on December 25, 2016, 10:13:21 AM
Rich is was not meant to criticize our law officers just point out the need to weed out the very few bad decision makers. I so much dislike the prosecution of our law officers when the problem should be focused on the officer selection process.
If you ever find the "perfect world" then give me a call and I'll be there the next day. The "officer selection process" isnt controlled by the officers ; Its controlled by the people you put in office and I cant mention the standards they use cause it violates forum rules. If you think you have a problem with some of the balloon heads "they" hire you should try working with them.
But its not my problem anymore. My Christmas present to myself, as of today I'll never wear a uniform again. I'll just sit on my big butt collecting a pension and playing Aces High. :police: is now :D .
Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: mbailey on December 25, 2016, 10:21:38 AM
Congratulations on retirement Rich :cheers: I'll be sure to tip one back today and give you a cheers.
Merry Christmas!!
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on December 25, 2016, 11:05:55 AM
If you ever find the "perfect world" then give me a call and I'll be there the next day. The "officer selection process" isnt controlled by the officers ; Its controlled by the people you put in office and I cant mention the standards they use cause it violates forum rules. If you think you have a problem with some of the balloon heads "they" hire you should try working with them.
But its not my problem anymore. My Christmas present to myself, as of today I'll never wear a uniform again. I'll just sit on my big butt collecting a pension and playing Aces High. :police: is now :D .
Merry Christmas.
I'll be tipping one back as a toast to your service on the thin blue line also. Thank you sir. :cheers:
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: caldera on December 25, 2016, 11:12:45 AM
If you ever find the "perfect world" then give me a call and I'll be there the next day. The "officer selection process" isnt controlled by the officers ; Its controlled by the people you put in office and I cant mention the standards they use cause it violates forum rules. If you think you have a problem with some of the balloon heads "they" hire you should try working with them.
But its not my problem anymore. My Christmas present to myself, as of today I'll never wear a uniform again. I'll just sit on my big butt collecting a pension and playing Aces High. :police: is now :D .
Merry Christmas.
Congrats! :cheers:
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on December 25, 2016, 03:36:11 PM
Thank you all.
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Post by: saggs on December 25, 2016, 05:58:58 PM
Just to add a point to the holster discussion.
One brand I've not seen mentioned, that I'm a big fan of is White Hat Holsters. Their Maxtuck is of the standard leather back and kydex shell variety, but White Hat has far more choices for type of leather and kydex colors and patterns then anyone else, makes them very customizable. They will even do custom graphics on the kydex if you want. I've got a Maxtuck in horsehide with shells for my XDm and 1911.
I'm about to order another White Hat of the single clip variety (Maxclip) since I cannot carry at work (TSA secured area) but often carry if I'm going shopping or whatever after work, and the single clip is easier to slip on and off. I just can't decide which leather and kydex pattern I want. I'm leaning towards this:
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Ripsnort on December 31, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
Why you shouldn't use Kydex (except during a competition shoot)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Ripsnort on December 31, 2016, 11:57:17 AM
On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5" This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.
This won't be a CCW :eek: (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)
I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.
On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5" This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.
This won't be a CCW :eek: (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)
I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on January 01, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
Ripsnort, that was a paddle holster, a standard belt loop kydex holster can't be stripped by that technique when properly defended. Also, the guy wearing the pistol was using improper, as in NO retention techniques. When you need to defend against someone trying to snatch your weapon from an outside the waistband holster on your belt, you grab underneath the bottom of the holster with your fingers, and pull it out, like a submarine's dive planes extending out, so that the top of the weapon is dug into your body, and the muzzle pointed in as close to a horizontal plane to your side/3 oclock as possible. Pivoting/spinning the weapon side of your body away from the threat is easy at that point, as there is no way for a threat to pull the pistol out, as it'd have to go through your body to get out of the holster when it's pulled out and up in this manner. This is the best retention technique and it works with any type of belt holster, and will work with paddles as well, just not as well, as they are much less secure.
There are other retention methods, but this one is the fastest, simplest, and in most cases best IMO, and works with most open carry belt holsters of any retention level, drop holsters as well. CCW/IWB holsters is a different deal.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: OldNitro on January 01, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
I have an IMI Zahal Z1360 Paddle style Roto Holster, with the button release. (for Taurus PT845 pistol) After watching that video of the paddle being broken off at the beltline, :O I had to do some testing.
Had my son do the same thing. He really wrenched the snot out of it, no way it would break off. Twisted a little, but that's all.
Blackhawk must be using some chitty polymer! :bolt:
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on January 01, 2017, 02:56:28 PM
On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5" This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.
This won't be a CCW :eek: (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)
I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.
Blackhawk must be using some chitty polymer! :bolt:
Well after the infamous Tex Grebner "I just ******* shot myself" incident (watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDpxVG9XFJc) if your interested) and several other similar ones. There have been several of the big name training places (Gunsite, Vickers, FLETC) that no longer allow students to use Blackhawk Serpas. Not a polymer issue, just a poor design that makes it easy to shoot yourself when the adrenaline is pumping.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: OldNitro on January 02, 2017, 08:03:40 AM
Well after the infamous Tex Grebner "I just ******* shot myself" incident (watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDpxVG9XFJc) if your interested) and several other similar ones. There have been several of the big name training places (Gunsite, Vickers, FLETC) that no longer allow students to use Blackhawk Serpas. Not a polymer issue, just a poor design that makes it easy to shoot yourself when the adrenaline is pumping.
I remember that Tex Grebner vid, saw it when it first appeared, got lots of attn. People have been shooting themselves, playin quick draw, since the old west. I guess gun designs change, holsters change with them, but some behaviors don't!
Being as the holster material snapped off at the beltline, I'd say the polymer is too brittle. By my thinking, the polymer should twist or deform some, but not snap off, as mine didn't. The Serpa material is so thin and so stiff that I guess it shouldn't really be a surprise. Whereas mine, being made a bit thicker and more flexible, after being twisted and bent, settled back into shape on it's own after a short time. A feature I definitely like about some polymers! When formulated correctly poly can be damn close to indestructible. In this application, it definitely shouldn't snap off!
Even tho they were all the rage for a while, I never cared for the Serpa personally. I rather something with a little more substance to it. Guess I saved myself some trouble by not following that particular "Tactifad".
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: KCDitto on January 02, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
I would think when you felt the tug at your waist, a quick ELBOW to the brain pan of the would be attack would end that real fast...
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Post by: Ripsnort on January 03, 2017, 11:43:44 AM
Very nice. I thought my Vaquero's blueing was nice but I like yours better.
Thank you.
This revolver is NIB so the bluing should be nice and shiny. I have a "No Safe Queen" policy. Should be fun at the range! It will be my 2nd "Revolver". (First being a S&W Model 66 in .357 magnum) It arrives at my FFL on Wed from Texas.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Ripsnort on January 03, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Ripsnort, that was a paddle holster, a standard belt loop kydex holster can't be stripped by that technique when properly defended. Also, the guy wearing the pistol was using improper, as in NO retention techniques. When you need to defend against someone trying to snatch your weapon from an outside the waistband holster on your belt, you grab underneath the bottom of the holster with your fingers, and pull it out, like a submarine's dive planes extending out, so that the top of the weapon is dug into your body, and the muzzle pointed in as close to a horizontal plane to your side/3 oclock as possible. Pivoting/spinning the weapon side of your body away from the threat is easy at that point, as there is no way for a threat to pull the pistol out, as it'd have to go through your body to get out of the holster when it's pulled out and up in this manner. This is the best retention technique and it works with any type of belt holster, and will work with paddles as well, just not as well, as they are much less secure.
There are other retention methods, but this one is the fastest, simplest, and in most cases best IMO, and works with most open carry belt holsters of any retention level, drop holsters as well. CCW/IWB holsters is a different deal.
Noted! And thanks!
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: mbailey on January 03, 2017, 12:03:09 PM
On a side note, I bought my first SAA in .45 Colt. It's a Cimarron/Uberti 1873 P-Cavalry model, 7.5" This is a stock photo, mine is "in the mail" on the way to my FFL guy, coming from Texas.
This won't be a CCW :eek: (Well, maybe when I'm back in Ennis, MT visiting my brother.)
I thought it would go nicely with my 1873 Springfield Trapdoor. I'll be reloading BP .45 Colt shells for it.
Very nice!! Im thinking about getting a matching pair of Colt SAs.....but with twins / college right around the corner, may have to wait a little bit.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on January 04, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
Kinda funny how everyone is blaming the holster more then the shooter and the gun itself.
I Love 1911's dont get me wrong. I believe they are the most perfect ergonomic design ever created...but. But they are a 100+ year old system that was never really safe for locked and cocked every day carry anyways. I have never carried one locked and cocked off the range and never will. Anybody, with any holster design, can pull a gun out with their finger on the trigger if they arent paying attention and/or havnt dry fired the move into muscle memory. Thats what it really comes down to, its keeping your finger off the damn trigger.
I dont know ole Tex but he kinda comes off as another Internet blow hard expert and from what I can tell the only qualification he has is he owns a video camera and wanted to be a cop once. Well I was one for 33 years and that itself isnt much of a qualification let alone "wanting to be one". So you can go to 0.49 of this video and watch Tex and what he did.
So what did Tex do? First off he did what I call a "push off drill" in that he's practicing what he'd do if a bad guy was right in his face trying to rob him and he's going to push the guy off and then slay the evil do'er with his 1911. The idea is to create distance from the threat and use movement to make yourself harder for the BG to hit while shooting from the hip. Unfortunately he didnt create distance and seemed more concerned with his time then with his technique.
He had the holster to far back and the system was to loose on him, cause he's fat, and he starts fighting the holster because he's not used to it. When I started with a BH Sherpa I had the same problem with drawing before releasing and it took practice before i got smooth with it. I also made it the ONLY type of holster I'd use for strong side duty carry and the only holster I'd practice with when shooting my duty gun, a Glock 19.
I dont believe him when he says he forgot what holster he had on. This is a very typical mistake made with BH Sherpa holsters with shooters who dont practice with them. Or, spend their time practicing with other types of holsters.
And carrying a 1911, with this kind of holster, during this kind of drill, with the entire thing being so loose "cause he's fat", is just one big formula for a fail. Ive seen to many instances of this kind of thing with 1911s with every kind of holster made for them. Shooters dont dry fire practice with them, they click off the safety's to early, they dont put the safetys back on, they put their fingers on the triggers, they do all kind of sloppy stuff cause the 1911 mechanism is like nothing else out there. Thats why they are now making stryker fire guns with an additional 1911 type safety.
Because the 1911 is still a God every shooter or wannabe shooter must bow to. All these big names , like Vickers, have their brand associated with 1911 makers/semi custom guns. So naturally they all want to blame the holster and not the gun. Vickers is tied in with Wilson combat and their 1911's. And naturally these guys are going to ban the BH Sherpas from their class's and not the 106 yo handgun design everyone is still making a lot of money on.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: saggs on January 05, 2017, 01:50:45 AM
Kinda funny how everyone is blaming the holster more then the shooter and the gun itself.
I Love 1911's dont get me wrong. I believe they are the most perfect ergonomic design ever created...but. But they are a 100+ year old system that was never really safe for locked and cocked every day carry anyways. I have never carried one locked and cocked off the range and never will. Anybody, with any holster design, can pull a gun out with their finger on the trigger if they arent paying attention and/or havnt dry fired the move into muscle memory. Thats what it really comes down to, its keeping your finger off the damn trigger.
I dont know ole Tex but he kinda comes off as another Internet blow hard expert and from what I can tell the only qualification he has is he owns a video camera and wanted to be a cop once. Well I was one for 33 years and that itself isnt much of a qualification let alone "wanting to be one". So you can go to 0.49 of this video and watch Tex and what he did.
So what did Tex do? First off he did what I call a "push off drill" in that he's practicing what he'd do if a bad guy was right in his face trying to rob him and he's going to push the guy off and then slay the evil do'er with his 1911. The idea is to create distance from the threat and use movement to make yourself harder for the BG to hit while shooting from the hip. Unfortunately he didnt create distance and seemed more concerned with his time then with his technique.
He had the holster to far back and the system was to loose on him, cause he's fat, and he starts fighting the holster because he's not used to it. When I started with a BH Sherpa I had the same problem with drawing before releasing and it took practice before i got smooth with it. I also made it the ONLY type of holster I'd use for strong side duty carry and the only holster I'd practice with when shooting my duty gun, a Glock 19.
I dont believe him when he says he forgot what holster he had on. This is a very typical mistake made with BH Sherpa holsters with shooters who dont practice with them. Or, spend their time practicing with other types of holsters.
And carrying a 1911, with this kind of holster, during this kind of drill, with the entire thing being so loose "cause he's fat", is just one big formula for a fail. Ive seen to many instances of this kind of thing with 1911s with every kind of holster made for them. Shooters dont dry fire practice with them, they click off the safety's to early, they dont put the safetys back on, they put their fingers on the triggers, they do all kind of sloppy stuff cause the 1911 mechanism is like nothing else out there. Thats why they are now making stryker fire guns with an additional 1911 type safety.
Because the 1911 is still a God every shooter or wannabe shooter must bow to. All these big names , like Vickers, have their brand associated with 1911 makers/semi custom guns. So naturally they all want to blame the holster and not the gun. Vickers is tied in with Wilson combat and their 1911's. And naturally these guys are going to ban the BH Sherpas from their class's and not the 106 yo handgun design everyone is still making a lot of money on.
How DARE you besmirch our ballistic lord and savior -John Moses Browning's- holiest of handgun creations!!! :old:
AWAY WITH YOU BLASPHEMER!!!
But seriously nobody is absolving the shooter of responsibility... just pointing out that fact is everyone makes mistakes (people who say they never have/never will are either a liar or too stupid to realize their mistakes) and the Serpa holster is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs with a thumb lock vs a trigger finger lock. Just like as you point out the 1911 is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs. Did you watch the video I linked from the MAC? I pretty much agree with his assessment. Not that I care, I've never used a OWB holster in my life, only one I own is because it came with the gun.
Vickers is a sellout in my book now anyway. I lost a lot of respect for him with the whole Fireclean fiasco. If you're not familiar with the Fireclean fiasco it's worth looking into if you interested in a case study of the gullibility of people, and a genius 'repackage and sell with a 1000% mark up' scam. Just google 'fireclean crisco' or something like that.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: OldNitro on January 05, 2017, 06:28:39 AM
With the number of guns out there, and people carrying/shooting them, it amazes me that people don't shoot themselves more often.
Yeah. Tex Grebner was a Youtube blowhard, was playin quick draw and shot himself. But I try not to heap too much crap on anyone, because fate has a way of throwin it back in your face. Just ask Tex!
Case in point about, "experience and training", another Youtube vid. Of a cop, in a classroom, full of kids, giving a lecture about drugs and guns. Whips out his Glock .40, and with the immortal words, "I am the only one in this room, with enough experience, to handle a Glock Fohty!". Then proceeds to pop a round right into the floor! :rolleyes:
Negligent discharges happen, doesn't seem to matter what kind of pistol, or person. I agree, that self discipline is the only REAL prevention.
:salute God Bless and stay safe!
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Kanth on January 05, 2017, 07:44:21 AM
it wasn't just the floor he shot through.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: OldNitro on January 05, 2017, 08:34:56 AM
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on January 05, 2017, 11:58:41 AM
Lol oh I love the 1911. I just wont carry it for self defense. Now Im no Internet expert but Ive been shooting handguns since I was 8yo, been an MP for 4 years, a cop for 33, a competitive shooter, and just a few trophys hidden away cause they dont mean much anyways. In other words Im in the middle skill-wise and above the middle experience-wise and I really feel the 1911 action, on its own, is unsafe to carry locked and cocked in any holster. The guys I know who carry them carry a mix of pistols and not just the 1911 and thats a bad formula to bring to a gunfight. Same with holsters.
Same with Glocks. Take em for granted and you will make a fool out of yourself with them which is why I strictly carry the Glock and Glock action. To be honest I dont agree with the assessment. Finger? Long finger? knuckle joint? Just practice with the dang thing and like any retention holster save it in your muscle memory. Guys like me that blame 1911 actions are like vampires in gun circles, tho I'd agree mixing the 1911 with that holster IS bad.
But truly these things come down to two things. Shooters trying to beat the clock or shooters trying to impress. The guy who shot himself with the 1911 did both, the DEA agent did the last, while running his mouth ahead of his brain and putting kids at risk. Its at a point where I dont even tell anyone im a cop at shooting events, "well Im not one anymore".
I never heard of fire clean, LMAO. I was kind of out of the sport back then for a few. Theres all kinds of snake oil and scams going on in that Industry. Some people think just cause someone was on an elite team they walk on water.
Sorry but Ive heard to many war stories and BS which is why now I pretty much shoot alone. :salute
How DARE you besmirch our ballistic lord and savior -John Moses Browning's- holiest of handgun creations!!! :old:
AWAY WITH YOU BLASPHEMER!!!
But seriously nobody is absolving the shooter of responsibility... just pointing out that fact is everyone makes mistakes (people who say they never have/never will are either a liar or too stupid to realize their mistakes) and the Serpa holster is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs with a thumb lock vs a trigger finger lock. Just like as you point out the 1911 is less forgiving of mistakes then other designs. Did you watch the video I linked from the MAC? I pretty much agree with his assessment. Not that I care, I've never used a OWB holster in my life, only one I own is because it came with the gun.
Vickers is a sellout in my book now anyway. I lost a lot of respect for him with the whole Fireclean fiasco. If you're not familiar with the Fireclean fiasco it's worth looking into if you interested in a case study of the gullibility of people, and a genius 'repackage and sell with a 1000% mark up' scam. Just google 'fireclean crisco' or something like that.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on January 05, 2017, 12:17:43 PM
The bits here about Vickers being tied to just the 1911 aren't very accurate anymore. You guys realize that he sells more custom Vickers Glocks than anything else, right? He also has his fingers in custom Berettas, and helped designed the HK45 pistol as well. If you take the time to listen to what he says, and read what he's written, he's said numerous times the 1911 is a great pistol, written books about it/etc, but as an effective combat sidearm, there are many better options out there now. Vickers years ago could be accused of being "tied" to the 1911, but it's not the case anymore, and hasn't been for years. Well, perhaps he still is since there is a custom Vickers 1911 model(s) for sale, but there are far, FAR more Vickers custom models and parts for Glocks, Berettas, and the HK45 out there now.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: awrabbit on January 05, 2017, 01:08:45 PM
Had a Kimber compact .45
Now carry a full size Ruger SR .45 if you have not tried one I recommend it.
lol used to carry a single action .45 LC Modded Vaquero :)
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on January 05, 2017, 02:04:07 PM
Rabbit - I have a pair of Ruger Vaqs in .357 I shoot my 38 reloads from. 14 years old now, still work great, Ruger makes some stuff I'll always have, 10/22, 3 screw .22 revolvers, Vaqs, etc.
The new CZ P10C will give the G19 a run for its money. CZ took all the best features of all the popular striker fired pistols and put them into one pistol - low bore axis of the Arsenal Strike One, the grip/angle of the M&P, Glock (custom Glock, but Glock nonetheless) ergos, the Walther PPQ like trigger (4lbs factory, shortest reset of any pistol Guns/Ammo and others have tested out of the box, etc), and so on. It'll be compatible with previous CZ magazines and vice versa as well, with a little change. And it's going to be cheap, $400ish street price is anticipated.
I can't get one here in Canada, the bbl is too short to import it until some aftermarket 106mm+ barrels comes out, or once the full size P10 comes out. Everyone I've heard from that's shot one so far though says it'll be the first true G19 competitor out there for the money. Heard that before, but this time it may be accurate.
Also, what Rich46yo mentioned about tier 1/etc type instructors, I agree with this. Rich has a very hard to find, and accurate IMO, opinion about pistols especially, being l/e in the city with the most pistol shootings on the continent, he's seen what most of us just hear about second hand. So, when he speaks, I listen, and in almost every case agree with what's said. About the "super tac" instructors, I've trained with and worked with at Sig Sauer, some of the more famous and storied firearms teachers out there. I've also been taught and trained with many who were just as good, even a few better, who had absolutely no military experience at all - Ben Kurata from Sig Sauer, and some others, just regular VERY quiet guys, who would be the ones I picked first if I knew I was walking into a gun fight. You can learn from just about anyone, lots of competent instructors out there, and many different tools you can either pick up and put in your own box, or discard. Even between the top 10 guys out there in terms of "fame" and size, they themselves all have dissimilar skillsets and opinions, what one guy likes, another won't even let you do in his course, etc. Some guys swear by the c-clamp grip, others have all kinds of proof showing why they think it sucks. Some will teach you to always carry your rifle/carbine muzzle up, others think that's ridiculous, and think that muzzle down is just as applicable especially indoors or in vehicles/helicopters. IMO these days it's very easy to identify the wannabe/youtube sensations, and avoid them. 18 years ago when I started working in the firearms business, there was only a handful of good reputable schools, certainly no more than a dozen that were spun up and switched on. There are hundreds now, dozens and dozens of places that aren't a waste of time or money.
Lots of variety out there, what's important is to be humble, keep your ears open and mouth closed, and just decide on your own after trying it "their" way, afterwards, if it works for you or not - for everything from training to gear to weapons to ammo.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on January 05, 2017, 02:49:54 PM
Most people who shoot handguns would laugh at someone who, with a safe and empty handgun, would dry fire in his basement for hours a week. Even if they didnt laugh they wouldnt think it important to becoming a good shooter.
But NOTHING is more important to becoming a good and safe shooter then dry fire practice, retention practice, reload practice, grip mechanics practice...and on and on. From what I can see on this video this Tex guy has pretty poor all around mechanics. I know he's pretending its a surprise stick up but nobody should get in your zone that closely without your being ready and at least have your stance and balance right. I bet he never dry fires and certainly never that combo of weapon/holster.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on January 05, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
A friend just bought the exact same gun. They are making beautiful reproductions and Im totally impressed.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rich46yo on January 05, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
Gman regarding the Serpa, and shooting nowdays in general, it seems everyone is shooting against the shot timer so they can brag about their times. Go to a shooting school and thats all they have you doing, shooting against the clock.
Thats all fine and good, a fun sport, but if your going to do it then do it with a non retention competition holster and stop pretending your Wyatt Earp cause your so "fast". This entire type of shooting is kinda set up to fail because you have made the conscious decision to shoot before you even pulled from the holster and in an actual self defense situation that happens very rarely.
Thats why when I practice with a Serpa I practice with keeping my finger off the trigger until the sight plane is on the target and I decide to shoot. When I shoot against the time I use a competition holster and shoot for laughs.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Gman on January 05, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Speed is speed, a fast drawer will be pretty quick out of any holster. You're right that when you're prepared to draw on a buzzer, it's nothing like a real life encounter with a threat, where much of the time they'll have surprise on their side, and you're reactions will play a huge part. Once you're recovered from your startle response though, your draw speed is what it is unless your draw is interfered with in some manner due to being in a cramped position, contact distance to the threat, whatever. I train mostly with a level 2 or 3 Safariland retention holster, that's what I was issued and what we used when I worked for a couple PMCs, I'd never want a retentionless kydex/whatever open top outside belt holster for anything other than a place to hold my handgun out plinking somewhere. I've trained many shooters to get under a 1 second draw with the Safariland holster in an open carry config. CCW with an IWB open top holster, sub second is something most shooters can get to if they want to put the time in.
I agree, draw speed is far from the most important skill, but I'd rather be faster than slower myself. The best school I've been to is hands down Rogers shooting school, I'd rate it probably #1 in the USA by a pretty fair margin in terms of straight up pistol speed skills, and right from the first minute, you're shooting against a timer vs reactive moving plate targets. In training the only way to simulate stress conditions is adding the pressure of time, outside of using sim/air munition and force on force (ie people shooting you with things that sting), but it's hard to teach and learn things in force on force. It's a good tool IMO for trying/testing skills out, but not for actually learning them.
Time-Distance-Cover, the equation/loop that rules all gunfights, all are important, but cover is the one which is most frequently...not ignored, but has the least amount of stress put on it in training. IMO it's a critically important part of the equation, as it more than the other two will be most likely to keep you alive, more so than draw speed (which is part of "time", but as you pointed out, distance as well, in terms of creating distance from a contact range threat), or anything else. I think spending time on identifying cover, how to get to it quickly, and how to effectively fight from it, is time better spent than learning how to "fast draw" ie the whole Tex video. You never see guys putting up videos of doing that though, moving at an angle on the way to cover.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Ripsnort on January 06, 2017, 07:26:20 AM
NICE! I came very close to buying the P938. I'm still holding out for a CZ 2075 Rami though. (de-cocker models are hard to find)
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Ripsnort on January 06, 2017, 11:30:03 AM
My wife wanted to use the Xmas money that Mom gave us at christmas for a new grill. I said "Mom will be dead within a year (lung cancer)...I don't want to spend the money on something I'll have to throw out in 10 years. So wife got to spend her 500 on whatever and I spent $516 on the Cimarron. My mom is a hard core republican, 2nd amendment rights supporter, and used to hunt deer and Elk when she was younger, in MN, MT and CO. (She's taken a few deer but never saw an Elk.) So, the revolver was sort of a commemoration to her.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: AKIron on January 10, 2017, 06:54:19 PM
I don't know if this crosses the line regarding politics but I'll risk it. A federal mandate for states to recognize and allow other states concealed carry permits for visitors will be very welcomed.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: OldNitro on January 11, 2017, 05:57:20 AM
I don't know if this crosses the line regarding politics but I'll risk it. A federal mandate for states to recognize and allow other states concealed carry permits for visitors will be very welcomed.
National Reciprocity, hell yes, about time! But how will the, more "Constitutionally Challenged" states react to that?
I can hear the :ahand already!
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on January 11, 2017, 03:39:16 PM
My wife wanted to use the Xmas money that Mom gave us at christmas for a new grill. I said "Mom will be dead within a year (lung cancer)...I don't want to spend the money on something I'll have to throw out in 10 years. So wife got to spend her 500 on whatever and I spent $516 on the Cimarron. My mom is a hard core republican, 2nd amendment rights supporter, and used to hunt deer and Elk when she was younger, in MN, MT and CO. (She's taken a few deer but never saw an Elk.) So, the revolver was sort of a commemoration to her.
What a gal and what a way to remember her.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rash on January 13, 2017, 10:23:30 PM
My mom got her CCW about two years before she passed, I gave her an old 9 shot? 22 revolver. The instructor said he liked it. I do remember it being made in 1962 and something Sears sold (eagle)? She didn't shoot much, but a least all bullets hitting the target. She was kind of intimidated with all the 9mm autos. They seemed all gun serious, but couldn't hit the target.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: ghi on January 13, 2017, 10:51:01 PM
Maybe they can find a better home for the TSA too?
That would be nice. I handle explosives at least once a year as part of my job. Went and did a demolition range a few weeks before holiday leave last year, and brought the gloves I was wearing in my backpack. Got pulled over for the random check as usual, crap! Was expecting some trouble from them swabbing the gloves, but then I thought.. hey dude, it's cool if you swab everything, but please don't swab the gloves. He of course asked why.. told him I work with explosives.. and he kinda just set the gloves aside after giving me a look, swabbed the bag, and on I went.
I love their potential explosives disposal method too. I think a comic said it once, let's put all these potential bombs in garbage cans with all the other potential bombs in the area of the airport that's most crowded with people... brilliant!
But aside from that, ATF as an organization does seem pretty redundant when you see all that the FBI and DEA do. Wonder what will happen with that.
Let's start a separate thread for that though, please.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Shuffler on January 14, 2017, 02:53:38 PM
That would be nice. I handle explosives at least once a year as part of my job. Went and did a demolition range a few weeks before holiday leave last year, and brought the gloves I was wearing in my backpack. Got pulled over for the random check as usual, crap! Was expecting some trouble from them swabbing the gloves, but then I thought.. hey dude, it's cool if you swab everything, but please don't swab the gloves. He of course asked why.. told him I work with explosives.. and he kinda just set the gloves aside after giving me a look, swabbed the bag, and on I went.
I love their potential explosives disposal method too. I think a comic said it once, let's put all these potential bombs in garbage cans with all the other potential bombs in the area of the airport that's most crowded with people... brilliant!
But aside from that, ATF as an organization does seem pretty redundant when you see all that the FBI and DEA do. Wonder what will happen with that.
Let's start a separate thread for that though, please.
My Uncle was ATF for years before he passed. That was back when it was still ATF and had not changed to ATFE.
Title: Re: Any CCW people here?
Post by: Rash on January 14, 2017, 07:27:26 PM