General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BoilerDown on December 15, 2016, 09:02:13 PM
Title: Rogue One
Post by: BoilerDown on December 15, 2016, 09:02:13 PM
Got to see Rogue One this evening in an advanced showing through my employer.
Really good movie IMO. Properly done for its place. Keeps to the established lore / cannon. Best movie since Episode VI. No problems recommending it to any Star Wars fan. If you don't like the original Star Wars, you can stay home, but the rest of you should go see it.
I have a few quibbles that I won't discuss for a few days so people can form their own opinions.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: bozon on December 16, 2016, 11:38:02 AM
Definitelly better than the last Starwars mess.
However, like every movie I have seen in the last 3 years it is just too long. Seems like all the edit rooms in Holywood lost their scissors and cant afford new ones. I could easily remove 20-30 minutes without losing a thing. If anyone in Holywood asks, I am for hire and I come with my own scissors.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Gman on December 16, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
Not sure about the editing/length part, from what I've read they shot TONS of footage that they cut, at least another 2 hours worth if they wanted to build a super editors cut. IMO they cut together the best stuff they shot pretty well.
IMO it's been the best SW film since Empire, and was at least as good as that one. Without spoiling anything (Everyone knows Vader is in the film from the trailers), Darth Vader's bit made the film, probably the best 1 or 2 mins of Star Wars..ever.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on December 16, 2016, 02:14:49 PM
I saw it yesterday and really liked it. A worthy prequel for the original trilogy and hands down the best SW flick since the originals.
Camo
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Spikes on December 17, 2016, 10:20:10 PM
Not sure about the editing/length part, from what I've read they shot TONS of footage that they cut, at least another 2 hours worth if they wanted to build a super editors cut. IMO they cut together the best stuff they shot pretty well.
IMO it's been the best SW film since Empire, and was at least as good as that one. Without spoiling anything (Everyone knows Vader is in the film from the trailers), Darth Vader's bit made the film, probably the best 1 or 2 mins of Star Wars..ever.
Yep. a few scenes in the trailers that aren't even in the film. Like a lot.
I disagree with cutting it shorter as well. If anything I think they could've spared an extra 10 minutes to add in some very important scenes.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: BoilerDown on December 17, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
I look forward to the extended edition with an extra hour of content. Can't understand why people can't look at how long the film is and block off enough time in their schedule. I mean were you bored that two hours is too long? If yes, then I don't know what to tell you other than you watched a different movie than I did.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: AKIron on December 17, 2016, 11:46:04 PM
No political overtones? I may see it at the theater rather than wait for the video.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Molsman on December 18, 2016, 12:15:56 AM
Dont Get me wrong but does Rogue 1 Follow the last movie where Luke Was shown at the end? I am confused at all the Star Wars movies except the ones I saw when I was young the newer ones also confused me
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on December 18, 2016, 03:11:42 AM
Dont Get me wrong but does Rogue 1 Follow the last movie where Luke Was shown at the end? I am confused at all the Star Wars movies except the ones I saw when I was young the newer ones also confused me
No, this is one of three or four anthology movies they're making in the Star Wars universe. Stand-alone movies that do not follow the same main characters and main story line. Rogue One is set just before episode 4 (the first SW movie released in 1977) and follows a group of rebels on a mission to sabotage/acquire intel on the Death Star. I haven't seen the move yet, but I suspect in the end they tie it into the main story line with Leia flying off with the Death Star plans in her blockade runner. Setting up for the opening scene of episode 4.
The first two paragraphs in the opening crawl of episode 4 basically sums up the plot of Rogue One.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: zack1234 on December 18, 2016, 06:22:27 AM
Starwars is poo!
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: pipz on December 18, 2016, 07:34:40 AM
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Serenity on December 18, 2016, 11:00:11 AM
Ooooookay, so... I HATED VII. I felt personally insulted by it. So I didn't expect much of Rogue One.
Rogue One in one sentence: Disney redeemed itself.
It was FANTASTIC! It had all of the action and heart of Star Wars, without any of the Disneyfication that was painful to watch in VII. There were a BUNCH of cameos of characters from the original trilogy (IV, V, VI) that were all very tasteful. They were gratuitous sometimes, yes, but they weren't forced. If you were a big fan, you noticed, went "Ah! That's that one guy from that scene in the cantina!" and if you weren't a huge fan, you didn't even notice it, so it didn't detract. My ONLY complaint in the entire thing was their choice in several Starships. They made new ones here, rather than using ones that already served that role, and ARE cannon. It's a minor pet peeve of mine when new things are created just for the sake of feeling creative, but there are honestly only 3 ships that were replaced with new things, so I can let it slide.
Honestly, though it pains me to say it, this might just be my favorite Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shuffler on December 18, 2016, 08:28:50 PM
If this one is as good as the original I may have to get it when it releases for Blu-ray. The crap in between has ruined star wars.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Gman on December 19, 2016, 11:46:01 AM
It's no kids movie Shuffler, like the Anakin trilogy was, not by a long shot. Right from the first few sequences, there is some pretty brutal, some would say heartless killing, and not just from the Imperial side of things. I was really impressed with the direction they took with the ending, based on the previews, obviously the ending was a large part of the re shoots, but that's fine, it turned out great IMO.
It's as good as Empire ever was IMO, worse in some ways perhaps, but better in others. I'm very impressed, and wouldn't have guessed Disney was capable of making a SW film like this. It bodes well for all the future projects, the Han Solo stand alone film, and all the potential other "A Star Wars Story" options they have. I wasn't the hugest fan of Force Awakens, it was better than episodes 1/2/3 by a long shot, but nothing compared to Rogue One IMO. After a very disappointing Star Trek film (Beyond) this year, it was a nice surprise to have a great Star Wars film to end 2016.
IMO it's going to do great $, kind of a slower start than I thought it would have, but with school out soon, and over Xmas, I think it'll get into Titanic territory.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sabre on December 19, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
I just wanna know one thing...Are there any Bothens in it and, if so, do many die? :x
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Meatwad on December 19, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
Jar Jar :noid
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on December 19, 2016, 02:19:39 PM
The Bothan spies got the plans for the second Death Star, not the first one.
I agree with Serenity, this is the best Star Wars movie made to date. And by a significant margin in my opinion. There was nothing I didn't like in it and everything was executed skillfully. The only thing I found lacking at times was the music, but it is still an amazing achievement from Michael Giacchino who had only four weeks to score the whole film after Alexandre Desplat walked out.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Becinhu on December 19, 2016, 05:10:14 PM
Even better than they include a main character from episode IV that has been dead for almost 30 years (peter Cushing). Yes cgi but I was still impressed. And to the Princess Leia hypothesis.....yes....not saying anymore.
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Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Serenity on December 19, 2016, 05:24:41 PM
Even better than they include a main character from episode IV that has been dead for almost 30 years (peter Cushing). Yes cgi but I was still impressed. And to the Princess Leia hypothesis.....yes....not saying anymore.
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I genuinely couldn't tell who was CGI and who wasn't. (There were actually quite a few apparently). It's both amazing and terrifying!
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on December 19, 2016, 07:15:25 PM
Of the human characters I think only Tarkin and Leia were CGI, but short of necromancy they were done as good as current technology allows. The rest of the cameos from earlier films (mostly X/Y-wing pilots) were outtakes from those earlier films digitally integrated into the new scenes. However I was genuinely disappointed that they didn't include the three female pilots who were cut out from the original films. Perhaps there was no quality film stock left of them... It would have been great of Disney to undo that disservice.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: BoilerDown on December 19, 2016, 07:33:57 PM
The only thing I found lacking at times was the music, but it is still an amazing achievement from Michael Giacchino who had only four weeks to score the whole film after Alexandre Desplat walked out.
That was one of my quibbles I was going to save until later. The music just didn't do the movie justice. It felt like it needed to break out into the Alliance anthem or at least a remix of the most recognizable bits of it, but instead kept falling flat or seemingly deliberately avoiding it. I then thought maybe they would save it for one of the climaxes at the end, it would have really worked, but it never happened. And unfortunately in general the music was nowhere as inspired as the John Williams original.
No idea they swapped composers just before release though.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on December 19, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
Desplat scored the first cut of the film, but after Disney re-shot some scenes and made a new cut Desplat was otherwise engaged. So Giacchino had to step in with only four weeks to get everything done.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rich46yo on December 22, 2016, 07:29:41 PM
Meh! Not a bad flick but the magic is gone and Im going to hang up my Darth Vader costume for the duration.
Same for Star Trek, I didnt even see the last one. Looking forward to new seas of The Expanse. Now thats some original Sci Fi and not re-heated meat Loaf from the micro wave.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Gman on December 22, 2016, 08:23:48 PM
0/T a bit - Rich, the creators of the Expanse did an interview on the Tested YT channel, really great video. Also, both authors of the books post over at GRRM's Westeros.org in the Literature forum, lots of great threads/discussions with them about their space tech and vision in the books there if you're interested in behind the scenes stuff about the series and TV program. The trailers for season 2 look great as well.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Zoney on December 23, 2016, 10:12:49 AM
Mrs Zoney and I will be going to see Rogue One Christmas eve and I am looking forward to it. I expect movies like this to be fun and entertaining. I'm likely to not be disappointed.
I expect much more from the new Blade Runner movie. They had better not screw it up. The original is my favorite SciFi movie of all time.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2016, 12:40:26 PM
Mrs Zoney and I will be going to see Rogue One Christmas eve and I am looking forward to it. I expect movies like this to be fun and entertaining. I'm likely to not be disappointed.
I expect much more from the new Blade Runner movie. They had better not screw it up. The original is my favorite SciFi movie of all time.
They always screw up remakes of our classics. There are not really any stars anymore. They call most anyone a star today.......but no real ones left.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Kanth on December 23, 2016, 01:17:05 PM
Off to see it in about 15 mins :D
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Wolfala on December 23, 2016, 05:49:29 PM
Not to be a total buzz kill, but the princess's had a bad flight from London to LA today.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Zimme83 on December 23, 2016, 05:58:19 PM
From the reports it doesn't sound good at all...
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: guncrasher on December 23, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
It's a good movie but way too long.
Semp
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Spikes on December 23, 2016, 06:23:31 PM
in the middle of the movie I was so bored, i went outside twice to smoke a cigarette.
semp
Yeah I had to go to the bathroom three times due to age and all the cokes I drank and didnt feel like I missed anything. Not a bad movie but not worth $10 and Star Wars is feeling like Star Trek now for me, its like eating off the same Ham bone for 3 or 4 days in a row. The magic is gone.
But I clearly remember 1977 and the cultural impact it made then. There has never been anything like it. Not in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Serenity on December 26, 2016, 12:28:42 PM
This is a really interesting thread, because it seems here, and in other social outlets, everyone who LOVED VII, HATED Rogue One, and everyone who HATED VII LOVED Rogue One.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Skuzzy on December 26, 2016, 12:48:38 PM
I liked both. Both good movies, for different reason, as far as I am concerned.
I do wish they had stuck with the John Williams music for Rogue One though. Still. Damn good movie.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: branch37 on December 26, 2016, 06:11:59 PM
Show of hands who thought Rogue One was better than Force Awakens :rock
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: bozon on December 27, 2016, 01:37:51 AM
Show of hands who thought Rogue One was better than Force Awakens :rock
Force awakens was just aweful, and I am talking Jar Jar Binx aweful. Rouge one is easilly better, criticism and all.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: FLOOB on December 27, 2016, 02:00:37 AM
I watched 20 minutes of rogue one. It lacked the cheesy A-Team style writing that Star Wars and Force Awakens had. Which is why Force Awakens is better than Rogue One.
Force Awakens was a true throwback. Because people idolized Star Wars they forgot just how camp and ridiculous the writing was in the original movies. Rogue One was written by those people for those people.
Star Wars has always been spaghetti western, attempting to elevate it above that ruins it. It's supposed to be for children, don't break the playground equipment with your fat grownup asses.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: BoilerDown on December 27, 2016, 02:27:39 AM
Force Awakens would have been ok if the big bad didn't throw temper tantrums like a 5 year old. Not quite as good as episode 3 but better than 1 and 2. Way worse than 4-6 or Rogue One.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on December 27, 2016, 12:41:19 PM
Interesting note: Tarkin and Leia weren't completely CGI. Only the faces were altered. Guy Henry played Tarkin while Leia was portrayed by Ingvild Deila.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Kanth on December 27, 2016, 01:00:35 PM
Carrie Fisher passed
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on December 27, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
Yeah, just read that on the news. :cry
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: AKKuya on December 30, 2016, 03:54:55 PM
I just finally got to see the movie. Best SW film which for me means Empire got trumped!!!
A real personal story with real sacrifice for the tone. No where close to any Star Trek episode and film where 99.999% survival is given to main cast. This showed a real war. No thought to success of action figures for profits.
Glad to see Goldenrod and Troublemaker. They are now 11 for 11 in all Star Wars films. Doubt they will be in Han Sole movie but you never know.
Enjoyed seeing the use of characters who had died in Star Wars and or actors who had aged or passed away.
Finally, they came up with a tangible reason why a single fighter could destroy an entire space station.
I didn't have any problems with the movie. I can be particular when the producers don't respect the intelligence of the audience. Case in point. ID Resurgence. 1996 War resulted in destruction of 200 major cities and deaths of over 3 billion people. 20 years later as population has returned to full potential and complete rebuilding of all destroyed cities and infrastructure. Okun wakes up from a 20 year coma and leads tech defense with no acquisition of technology and knowledge learned from 20 years of new reverse alien technology. This film makes Pluto Nash an Oscar winner.
I look forward to Episode 8 and future SW films.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: BoilerDown on December 30, 2016, 08:59:02 PM
Saw this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24q80ReMyq0) video today and realized the Death Star is made of glass.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: FLOOB on January 07, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
This flim is estimated to be 35 times better than star wars/spiderman/lord or the rings/transformers movies.
https://youtu.be/kUI6PLy5gzQ
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: PR3D4TOR on January 08, 2017, 12:09:12 AM
Floob you are off topic by at least a factor of 35. You're also wrong.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: B4Buster on January 10, 2017, 12:03:13 PM
I really enjoyed Rogue One. I thought they did a good job of giving it the original Star Wars "feel" and was the best movie since the originals, IMO.
I thought it was somewhat sentimental as well, as most all of the big characters would have been alive at the time of Rogue One...just gives you the fuzzies.
Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: mbailey on January 10, 2017, 02:23:23 PM
I really enjoyed Rogue One. I thought they did a good job of giving it the original Star Wars "feel" and was the best movie since the originals, IMO.
I thought it was somewhat sentimental as well, as most all of the big characters would have been alive at the time of Rogue One...just gives you the fuzzies.
Agreed, Son and I saw it....for someone like myself that was 9 or 10 when the very first Star Wars came out, it was really cool to see the back story to it....We saw it the day after Carrie Fisher passed....gave me the same fuzzy but sad feeling.