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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Vraciu on December 16, 2016, 06:03:08 AM
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So, my Win 7 Professional seemed to be having a crisis. I decided to run a fresh install. Big mistake. Not only is the previous issue stil here--Windows Update is stuck in perpetuity searching--but now I am years behind on updates.
I did manage to get SP1 installed.
What a friggin' nightmare.
Suggestions before I break out my shotgun on this thing are appreciated.
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It is not stuck. Microsoft is delaying sending the updates. It can take up to 24 hours to get them, but they will eventually come down. They created this ploy as one of the means to coerce people to do the update to Windows 10.
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It is not stuck. Microsoft is delaying sending the updates. It can take up to 24 hours to get them, but they will eventually come down. They created this ploy as one of the means to coerce people to do the update to Windows 10.
Seriously???
Wow.
You're up early!
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Same thing happened to me. I read that sometimes updates wont work unless you manually feed it a few select updates to force it to work, unless that is what Skuzzy is referring to also. All it would do is just sit and search and not find a single one, or attempt to download them and not make any progress
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I had MS Update stick on the Windows 7 November updates for a few weeks before it started working again.
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It is not stuck. Microsoft is delaying sending the updates. It can take up to 24 hours to get them, but they will eventually come down. They created this ploy as one of the means to coerce people to do the update to Windows 10.
24 hours might be an underestimate. For what I've seen, it can take 48 or even 72 hours.
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I had issuses with getting windows updates also, kept getting stuck on looking for updates so I found a couple single updates from the windows support site that solved the issue for me anyways. So if anyone else is having this problem here is the link to the microsoft support page.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-update/windows-7-update-solution-for-advanced-users/f39a65fa-9d10-42e7-9bc0-7f5096b36d0c
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SNO, that's a good find. Nothing new, it's been discussed here some months ago, but your source features a nice short tutorial.
The main issue in the update roll-up is that you can't opt out certain updates like the telemetry ones. Or that's at least what I figure.
Can anyone tell if the roll-up contains critical updates only or is it a full package with all the optional crap?
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I am not doing that roll-up. Once it is installed, it makes a mess of things. As long as it all works, I have disabled the updater in Windows 7.
I have a slip stream installer with the updates in it, so I am set.
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It's interesting that you guys get delays.
I use one of my MSDN licenses at home, legally, and the Windows 7 updates are never delayed.
So they're probably pushing the consumers to Win 10, while leaving things alone for the people with MSDN licenses (EAs, developers, and such).
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I am not doing that roll-up. Once it is installed, it makes a mess of things. As long as it all works, I have disabled the updater in Windows 7.
I have a slip stream installer with the updates in it, so I am set.
What's that?
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What's that?
I assume you mean my installer? I built an installer for Windows 7 with all the drivers and updates installed. I run it off a USB drive when I need to install Windows 7. Slip stream, is the name of the process used to build the installer.
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I assume you mean my installer? I built an installer for Windows 7 with all the drivers and updates installed. I run it off a USB drive when I need to install Windows 7. Slip stream, is the name of the process used to build the installer.
That's badass. Can I send you a USB drive, SASE? :)
I am ready to,throw this machine through a window (pun).
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My installer is only good for my hardware, as it only has the drivers for my computer built-in. I removed all the extra drivers when I built it. Also removed services I never needed. Had to get rid of things in order to get all the updates installed.
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Vraciu, there's another way, too. When you've got your system up and running in the way you like it, run the Windows CleanManager first to get rid of any clutter and then make a full backup on an external disk or even a USB stick using the Windows 7 backup utility. With that backup it's a simple task to revert to that point by using the Windows installation disk.
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Vraciu, there's another way, too. When you've got your system up and running in the way you like it, run the Windows CleanManager first to get rid of any clutter and then make a full backup on an external disk or even a USB stick using the Windows 7 backup utility. With that backup it's a simple task to revert to that point by using the Windows installation disk.
Good idea. Unfortunately this thing is running like an abacus instead of a flippin' computer. I wonder if I can move on to Chromium? LOL :)
If AH would run on LINUX MINT I would ditch Win7 and never look back.
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I had the same issue and ran a program called windows update downloader to dl and run the updates manually. Might be an option here
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Disable Windows update and reboot (to get rid of the stuck update process)
Get and install the 9/2016 servicing stack update and the 7/2016 rollup (contains the new Windows Update Agent required for fast serch processing) listed at http://wu.krelay.de/en/
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Disable Windows update and reboot (to get rid of the stuck update process)
Get and install the 9/2016 servicing stack update and the 7/2016 rollup (contains the new Windows Update Agent required for fast serch processing) listed at http://wu.krelay.de/en/
Will do.
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Vraciu, as I told in game, it can take 48 hours or even more for downloading the updates.
First, uncheck the "give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" to reduce the amount of updates.
Second, check your power management settings in Control Panel. Set them to maximum performance and check that it never goes to sleep if plugged into mains.
Third, let it run until you get all of the updates. Preferably when you're away so you won't feel like playing AH...
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In my post above the following is missing (was edited-in but somehow not saved):
After installing the updates and reboot either manually start update search or re-enable windows update. It should now find updates within a reasonable timeframe instead of countless hours.
BTW be glad you have Win7 - Vista users have completely borked update systems for the last ~5 months of official support.
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In my post above the following is missing (was edited-in but somehow not saved):
After installing the updates and reboot either manually start update search or re-enable windows update. It should now find updates within a reasonable timeframe instead of countless hours.
BTW be glad you have Win7 - Vista users have completely borked update systems for the last ~5 months of official support.
My laptop is Vista. :bhead
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I havent been able to get updates for win7 since last year. I just gave up now. I have let the computer on for days but nothing every happens.
semp
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I havent been able to get updates for win7 since last year. I just gave up now. I have let the computer on for days but nothing every happens.
semp
The above worked.
The main think is Disable Update via Control Panel (Admin, Services, Windows Update). I then disabled my internet connection and installed on patch at a time followed by a reboot. Update seems to work after you get this one installed in the proper order -- kb3172605.
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Culprit in Win7 is to get the new update agent and this only comes bundled in the 7/16 rollup. That's an update M$ denied for Vista users. Don't know if it's actually the update agent working better/faster or if it's just using the rollup as starting point for update search (thus no need to discard countless older updates)
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I disabled updates for Win 8.1. No problems with my machine. I did this over a year ago.
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Culprit in Win7 is to get the new update agent and this only comes bundled in the 7/16 rollup. That's an update M$ denied for Vista users. Don't know if it's actually the update agent working better/faster or if it's just using the rollup as starting point for update search (thus no need to discard countless older updates)
(Wow I sure typoed my previous reply! Must have been excited over fixing this thing.)
That's definitely what it sounds like.
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Is there a reason you guys do not want to upgrade to 10, I hesitated for along time but finally did the update. I would never go back to 7 as 10 has been as stable as a rock. I heard all the excuses why people but I have never had any problems with it and runs AH great.
I assume you mean my installer? I built an installer for Windows 7 with all the drivers and updates installed. I run it off a USB drive when I need to install Windows 7. Slip stream, is the name of the process used to build the installer.
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Too many privacy issues, loss of control over certain mechanisms and a bugged update/upgrade system. Each major version update is actually similar to an inplace upgrade/repair installation on previous OS and that is known to cause problems.
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Is there a reason you guys do not want to upgrade to 10, I hesitated for along time but finally did the update. I would never go back to 7 as 10 has been as stable as a rock. I heard all the excuses why people but I have never had any problems with it and runs AH great.
I just visited an elderly customer whose Chrome needed to be reinstalled again due to Win10 resetting to defaults, plus there was this single update having failed half a dozen times during a single day. For the latter a fellow tech in a big store told me that they had encountered lots of issues with apparently the same update.
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Is there a reason you guys do not want to upgrade to 10, I hesitated for along time but finally did the update. I would never go back to 7 as 10 has been as stable as a rock. I heard all the excuses why people but I have never had any problems with it and runs AH great.
I have never had any stability issues with 7. All my applications run great. There is no advantage, for me, to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 does not contain all the spyware Windows 10 does, which is just more machine cycles being wasted. Windows 7 does not reset my settings at a whim, like Windows 10 does. I can control Windows 7. Windows 10 cannot be controlled.
I just do not see any advantage to switching, at all.
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I have never had any of the issues talked about here. It is more stable than any of the previous versions I have run going back to DOS. :) You can control what Windows 10 is allowed to do. People should run what works best for them. I didn't think I would like 10 but after using it Would not go back.
I have never had any stability issues with 7. All my applications run great. There is no advantage, for me, to switch to Windows 10. Windows 7 does not contain all the spyware Windows 10 does, which is just more machine cycles being wasted. Windows 7 does not reset my settings at a whim, like Windows 10 does. I can control Windows 7. Windows 10 cannot be controlled.
I just do not see any advantage to switching, at all.
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After the initial lock-up and loss of files using 10 some time ago I used Ubuntu for a bit then decided to use it as a mule and loaded 10 again with full permissions to update itself about 6 months ago. Latest error was DNS server issue causing most websites not to load. Tracked to IPv4 issue and spent hours tracking it down and resolving it. It had been working properly before, then screwed up after an update.
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I have never had any of the issues talked about here. It is more stable than any of the previous versions I have run going back to DOS. :) You can control what Windows 10 is allowed to do. People should run what works best for them. I didn't think I would like 10 but after using it Would not go back.
We have not found it to be stable at all. It seems to be at the whim of the updates. We have had things break for weeks, then next update they were working again. Then again, it probably depends on what you are using the computer for.
You cannot control Windows 10. Microsoft can do whatever they want to your computer with Windows 10. Any control you think you have is just an illusion. At any given moment an update can come down and wipe out any changes you make. We have been at the wrong of that stick too many times with our one Windows 10 system we have in house.
I do not see it as an "upgrade" as it does not seem to bring any functionality over what I already have. As a matter of fact, I will lose functionality and have to purchase several third party applications to restore what I lose if I switch to 10. Seems to be more change for the sake of change. Just from a logical perspective, why change?
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Supporters of Win 10 never seem to mention what is better about it; i.e. why I'd want to upgrade. There seems to be much I would't want, like loss of control, "telemetry", advertising on the lock screen, loss of some features (DVD play? Media Center?). The only thing I can think of is DX12. But that is not really an improvement so much as getting out of the way of the game designer's low level access to the graphics card. What are the "killer" features of Windows 10 that make it a "must" upgrade?
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Is there a reason you guys do not want to upgrade to 10, I hesitated for along time but finally did the update. I would never go back to 7 as 10 has been as stable as a rock. I heard all the excuses why people but I have never had any problems with it and runs AH great.
In my case it doesn't seem to be free any more for one. But for another (primarily) Win7 is running like a champ and I don't need it for anything but AH and PSP5/GIMP. If it ain't broken don't fix it.
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I have never had any of the issues talked about here. It is more stable than any of the previous versions I have run going back to DOS. :) You can control what Windows 10 is allowed to do. People should run what works best for them. I didn't think I would like 10 but after using it Would not go back.
Nothing beats Windows 2000. That was the high water mark for stability IMHO. But 7 is doing fine for me so I am with Skuzzy on this one. If Aces High ever closes shop I will be done with Windows permanently.
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To each their own do as you wish, I bypass the lock screen so do not see any advertisements. Windows Defender has been one of the best PC protectors I have ever used since the old DOS days. It beats Norton, Mcafee, Kaspersky, AVG and any other virus program that takes over your computer and make it run sluggish. Have not had one problem with Ace high with windows 10 and have only had problems on some old programs and games that are 10 years old or so and needed to be upgraded any way. But then I have been using computers of some sort or another since the old CP/M day and in fact still have my working old Osborne CP/M with two floppy drives.
Supporters of Win 10 never seem to mention what is better about it; i.e. why I'd want to upgrade. There seems to be much I would't want, like loss of control, "telemetry", advertising on the lock screen, loss of some features (DVD play? Media Center?). The only thing I can think of is DX12. But that is not really an improvement so much as getting out of the way of the game designer's low level access to the graphics card. What are the "killer" features of Windows 10 that make it a "must" upgrade?
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Nothing beats Windows 2000. That was the high water mark for stability IMHO. But 7 is doing fine for me so I am with Skuzzy on this one. If Aces High ever closes shop I will be done with Windows permanently.
I really had a soft spot for Win2k.... it was a great OS . I also like 7 in a Win2k sorta way and wont be moving from it for awhile.
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To each their own do as you wish, I bypass the lock screen so do not see any advertisements. Windows Defender has been one of the best PC protectors I have ever used since the old DOS days. It beats Norton, Mcafee, Kaspersky, AVG and any other virus program that takes over your computer and make it run sluggish. Have not had one problem with Ace high with windows 10 and have only had problems on some old programs and games that are 10 years old or so and needed to be upgraded any way. But then I have been using computers of some sort or another since the old CP/M day and in fact still have my working old Osborne CP/M with two floppy drives.
Are you trolling me, Flyer?
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I really had a soft spot for Win2k.... it was a great OS . I also like 7 in a Win2k sorta way and wont be moving from it for awhile.
Yeah, 2000 was great. I hated moving from that. :(