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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on December 17, 2016, 06:32:59 PM
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Please vote for one of the following four options.
1. Battle of Britain. Britain's finest hour. Spit I's, Hurri I's vs. 109E's, 110C's, He 111's, and Ju 88's.
5. Late-war 8th AF. 8th AF strategic bombing with high-alt escorts vs. high-alt Luftwaffe. Like DGS/BOG. P-51, P-47, P-38, B-17, B-24, 109G-14, 109K, 190D, maybe some 190A-8.
17. Summer 1941 RAF raids against Luftwaffe in France / coastal areas. "Johnnie Johnson describes it as the most brutal air fighting of the war." Spit I/V vs. 109E/F.
40. Hell Over the Hinterland. The Battle of the Bulge is about to see its first day of clear weather in two weeks. P-51D, P-38L, P-47D-40, Spitfire XVI, Spitfire VIII, Typhoon Mk IB, Tempest V, Mosquito VI, BF109G-14, ME109K-4, FW190A-8, FW190F-8, FW190D-9, TA-152, ME410, BF110G-2.
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Stokes voted 17.
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17
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:noid
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My vote is 40 and if 40 is the majority voted I'll CO for TA152s :salute
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17
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17
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Just to confirm, this is a 3 hour frame for 4 Saturdays in February, right? Starting at 12:00 PM EST?
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It supposed to be...I wish people would quit using the BOB as a choice...that is supposed to be our next 12 hour scenario :noid
By the way not voting for any of these... :noid :salute
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40
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17
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I vote 40
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By the way. For choices here that list no bombers, we will need during design phase to think about whether or not a bomber component is put in for the bomber pilots who play scenarios.
I think they will need something there.
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Just to confirm, this is a 3 hour frame for 4 Saturdays in February, right? Starting at 12:00 PM EST?
Show up time is 3 pm eastern. Exact days still tentative. Yes on saturday and 3 hour 4 frames.
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5
V
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five
cinco
:rock
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40
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why would it be an option to vote on without a preexisting bomber role? We've always had bombers doesn't make much sense to have a scenario that would cut out a part of the flight community.
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One thing I wanted to add, I love Battle of Britain and I would vote for it now but I want BoB to be the next 12 hour event.
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Hard choice...with HBO set to release the Band of Brothers type series based on the 8th, and our need for numbers - let's get amped up and time two, if possible.
I vote #5
Boo
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OK
#5
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#5
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40
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I'll be there for any thing, but I have to go with 40 as well.
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why would it be an option to vote on without a preexisting bomber role? We've always had bombers doesn't make much sense to have a scenario that would cut out a part of the flight community.
I agree which is reason for earlier above comment. I think there do need to be bomber roles like you do.
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Just to be clear on process, whatever wins voting will then go into a lengthy process of design where everyone can see the design as it evolves and provide input. There is nothing set yet with the designs other than the timeframe and theme of battle -- the theme of the battle is what we are voting on.
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#1, ONLY if you remove Ju88s and use exclusively He111s. We really need to stop putting the 1942-era Barbarossa version of the Ju88 up against Hurricanes that cannot catch it. It is nearly 40mph faster than the BOB-era He111 that we already have in-game.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=126&p2=30&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
If that won't happen, if the Ju88s are still forced into the scenario, then #17 is the best alternative (instead).
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5
Wiley.
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1. Battle of Britain
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1. BoB (Dont' care that it's the next 12-hour thing, my first event was BoB and was amazing!)
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40.
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17
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17
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Number 5 is alive!!!!!
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17. No need for bombers unless they want to be base targets.
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40
can we add some tanks?
though really want a Guadalcanal scenario.
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17. No need for bombers unless they want to be base targets.
Yes, thank you for writing off part of the community.
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40
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I prefer #40
I like having the variety of a lot of late war aircraft, some we don't usually get to fly in scenarios, to choose from, i.e. TA-152, FW-190D-9, Spit XVI, Spit VIII, Typhie, Tempest.
My reasons why I don't prefer these -
#1 is better for the next 12-hour scenario, as mentioned by Brooke and others.
#17 is the same old early war British Spits I/V against the early German bf-109E/F. Want more mix than that. Also no buffs involved. Not sure how a pure fighter engagement will work out. What's the incentive.
#5 would be OK as there are some late war choices, just not as many, nor as out of the norm as in option#40..
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5
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40
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40 FTW!
:salute
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40 :old:
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Brooke,
Change my vote to 40.
The squad wants any JG11 group available.
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Brooke,
Change my vote to 40.
The squad wants any JG11 group available.
:confused:
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40..... :aok
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40 :rock
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Any CV's in 40 ?....... :evil: :old:
40 ..... :old:
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Any CV's in 40 ?....... :evil: :old:
40 ..... :old:
We're trying to get one of these in there:
(http://neosurrealism.artdigitaldesign.com/modern-artists/?images/midsize/fine-art/l-esprit-de-maginot-1927.jpg)
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And one of these:
(http://img04.deviantart.net/a5c6/i/2013/090/8/c/land_aircraft_carrier_by_mlzw-d5zxl9z.jpg)
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Can I has?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/SDF-1_Macross_Ship_Small.jpg)
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Can I has?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/SDF-1_Macross_Ship_Small.jpg)
I loved that show
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In regards to #40, I may be mistaken, but I do recall reading that the 262 being used in small numbers toward the end of Dec 1944 in the Ardennes area.
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40
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You Bunch of Bums !!!.... :D :D :D.....Love it..so nice to Old Man !
Make sure it has 5" guns !... Eh ! :banana:
:old: I .. :salute .. U.. ALL !
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5
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40
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Not 40 unless spit XIV is added.
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Option 40 needs the P-47M and the Spit 14 for it to be viable for the allies.
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Option 40 needs the P-47M and the Spit 14 for it to be viable for the allies.
Much like option 5 needs the Fw190A-8. How can you have a 8th vrs. Luft setup with the "maybe some A-8's" stipulation?? Why would the A-8 be excluded I guess is the question and concern. That's like excluding B-17's. The A-8 should make up the bulk of the Luft interceptors in a set up like number 5. Don't you agree old friend?
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Much like option 5 needs the Fw190A-8. How can you have a 8th vrs. Luft setup with the "maybe some A-8's" stipulation?? Why would the A-8 be excluded I guess is the question and concern. That's like excluding B-17's. The A-8 should make up the bulk of the Luft interceptors in a set up like number 5. Don't you agree old friend?
No arguments from me on that point. :salute
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Let's vote on it! :rofl
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err its nearly february lets do this!
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Keep in mind that these couple-sentence descriptions are not the final word on the design of the scenario. It is just a tentative starting point. Once we pick the theme, then starts the design process.
(And, yes, I'll tally this up soon and move to the next step.)
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Soon?
Can you define soon?
Like tomorrow?
We got SH&T to do..... :x
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Keep in mind that these couple-sentence descriptions are not the final word on the design of the scenario. It is just a tentative starting point.
While that may be true - Keep in mind it is all we are given to base our voting off of as well.
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While that may be true - Keep in mind it is all we are given to base our voting off of as well.
You could also look at past events with similar theme's. #40 is like Winter Sky, Death Ground minus the tanks. Pretty boring if you ask me.
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You could also look at past events with similar theme's. #40 is like Winter Sky, Death Ground minus the tanks. Pretty boring if you ask me.
My point spot on really Devil. And great advise for someone new to scenarios. I flew them too and when has the A-8 ever been excluded or even restricted in a late war bombing campaign? And why would it be? So having no past precedence (like you say) we voted for boring over the surreal.
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I see your point. But knowing that the specifics would be decided later, I took it as a given that the A-8 would be featured in the final design - as it should be.
every contender on this list is still half-baked at this point.
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I see your point. But knowing that the specifics would be decided later, I took it as a given that the A-8 would be featured in the final design - as it should be.
Agreed - all but the taking it as given part. ( I too would of course, if it's possible exclusion or restriction was not mentioned beforehand like it is )...I mean the 190A-8 is the first A/C penciled in for the axis for late war 8th vrs Luft, Yes? It's like, "Maybe some P-51's" :huh
And really no biggie here as I was just piggy backing Ammo's thoughts and offering mine. I'll vote to fly what's available - but not what might be there.
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I thought we were voting on the planeset for Malta or Italy again :O
:bolt:
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Keep in mind that these couple-sentence descriptions are not the final word on the design of the scenario. It is just a tentative starting point. Once we pick the theme, then starts the design process.
This Yesterday? For a February Scenario? So not likely to be a 30 day brief, prep, team build, practice etc etc etc if the event flies in a month and you haven't designed it yet.
Not criticizing, just stating what won't happen on this one. I may walk on, but nothing to plan for.
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I think we'll still make it for a start in later February. If not, though, then March. The start date of the scenario is not at this time fixed in stone.
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The winner of the vote is 40.
Now that theme is specified, next up is design process. I will get up a starting point then create the topic for discussion of the design.
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ROC.............. :bhead
I use that only because they do not have a throw stuff off the desk emoji... :rofl
Dantoo needs a month just to read the write up 100 times :aok
objectives
plane set
pilots
GO!
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I had announced the next tour of AvA War for Jan or Feb and then you announced for February. We talked it over among the staff and decided to hold up and plan for March. I won't be able to delay because I leave town at the end of March so I must run our next tour March 4, 11 & 18.
Just letting you know I set up to avoid your Feb event even though I announce first. :bhead
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Just letting you know I set up to avoid your Feb event even though I announce first. :bhead
The AVA and CM Team do not coordinate schedules.
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Yay!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
The winner of the vote is 40.
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Next question is how much booze is Brooke going to buy Hitech to get him to fly in this one too.
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I think we'll still make it for a start in later February. If not, though, then March. The start date of the scenario is not at this time fixed in stone.
Ahh good, the time spent on the run up to a scenario is as much a part of the events as the flight night itself.
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The AVA and CM Team do not coordinate schedules.
His point is that his AvA event was scheduled based on the the proposed Scenario date to avoid a conflict. Because the scenario is being pushed back, a conflict now exists. Maybe you should coordinate with each other as a courtesy.
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His point is that his AvA event was scheduled based on the the proposed Scenario date to avoid a conflict. Because the scenario is being pushed back, a conflict now exists. Maybe you should coordinate with each other as a courtesy.
The AVA and SEA CM team are two separate entities and not affiliated in any way.
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The AVA and SEA CM team are two separate entities and not affiliated in any way.
That's an easy position to take now, but had we acted differently I doubt it would have been appreciated by the rest of your team. 505 put it better.
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Seems to me the discussion about AVA and CM scheduling is better taken to PM. As it is, it will only prove to be a distraction from the intent of the post.
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Seems to me the discussion about AVA and CM scheduling is better taken to PM. As it is, it will only prove to be a distraction from the intent of the post.
You're right, my apologies. Moving on. :cheers:
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His point is that his AvA event was scheduled based on the the proposed Scenario date to avoid a conflict. Because the scenario is being pushed back, a conflict now exists. Maybe you should coordinate with each other as a courtesy.
As mentioned above, the scenario date isn't necessarily pushed forward. We'll see.
As for advance notice, here is the scenario schedule for the next N years:
Scenario in February, June, October.
Now you know it as far in advance as you want.
However, the exact date is subject to variation because scenarios take a lot of production and are subject to timings that can't be controlled in advance.
This is why I say things like "tentatively scheduled for February".
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Like the fact that you have no bombers less than a month before a possible date of start and now need to figure out what planes you might add and what targets they might get seeing as this event is really supposed to be just a fighter match up....
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Fear not. It will all work out. What I don't know yet, though, is exact start date.
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oh wow 3 choices are the same plane sets and the fourth has been run 3 times now
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oh wow 3 choices are the same plane sets and the fourth has been run 3 times now
https://youtu.be/pEOVNmSR7_c?t=31
:devil
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Randall, there was a vote before this one where folks picked from among about 40 choices to narrow it down to the top 4, then we had this vote to chose which one.
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Scenario design is posted here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,384339.0.html