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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Slade on August 26, 2017, 07:18:03 AM
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I'd like to ask that us veterans back off the ez turkey shoot of new Steam gen players. If we help these guys learn this game, rather than slaughter them (and they leave as fast as they got here), it will be a great investment for all of us. :old:
Thanks for considering. :salute
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For what I saw yesternight there's new names who seem to want to learn as fast as possible. Clever questions about both the game and the settings. Let's try to keep them.
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+1
Also don't forget to mention/recruit for FSO from the new players :aok it might help to keep some that like cooperative play and missions.
urging them to find a fso squad and refer them to some squad leaders who can take in some new folks. Would be cool to see some of that announced too in Melee.
I'd like to ask that us veterans back off the ez turkey shoot of new Steam gen players.
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Be helpful, respectful and remember what your first few weeks and months were like. Give them a good fight every time! We want them to stay.
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But... I thought the proper customary procedure was like this:
1. Take advantage of their presence and slaughter them as quick and often as you can. Follow them to other bases, if necessary. Run away or bail outside proxy range if there's actually danger of getting killed.
2. Add insult to injury. PM them (even better: private vox!) and tell them how much they suck, that this is no place for them. Feel free to speculate about their sexual identity & preference and don't forget to extend that to their family as well.
3. CH200 and country channel are meant for politics. Make it clear you are a man with an OPINION, and everybody needs to hear it. Newcomers should be impressed by your manly way to express yourself. Also, tell everyone of them how much this 'rigged game' sucks, literally unplayable. You should know, you spent thousands of hours here!
4. Every salute should be met with utter contempt.
5. Wonder why the numbers are so low these days. Must be that damn Millennials fault!
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There was a large amount of traffic on the help channel last night as well as newbie questions over country. It was a nice thing to see. Also saw a large amount of excitement over things us old farts consider commonplace. Even witnessed a couple of troop drops over unprepped fields to try and capture them.
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Suggestion...if you have an extra 15 minutes to log in early, monitor Help & Ch 200 and answer questions. Your answer just may be the spark that encourages someone to subscribe and stay past the 2 week trial period. :old:
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Tried to help a new guy in WW1 last night, no coms, tantamount to urinating into the wind.
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do the new guys and gals a favor and advise them not to monitor 200.
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You might tell him to use slash to talk, mine also wasn't responding till i told him that.
Tried to help a new guy in WW1 last night, no coms, tantamount to urinating into the wind.
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I have noticed most guys doing A GREAT JOB helping newbs. one even bailed with two kills to go to meet one. some times I feel we are over helpful, as a new guy asks a question 3-4 will chime in with answers. yesterday the bish-knight fight before the map reset there were several new guys on both sides and I think we were all doing a good job with them, I saw no 15k dive vulch kills and no real teaming up.
HUGE <S> to all the guys helping and holding off the trigger for the new guys
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But my score! :old:
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Lusche has a bit of a cynical side.
2. Add insult to injury. PM them (even better: private vox!) and tell them how much they suck, that this is no place for them. Feel free to speculate about their sexual identity & preference and don't forget to extend that to their family as well.
There was a new guy flying B-24s low over a port. Identified him as a newbie by the zero score, no star status and behavior.
I got a kill or two and saluted him.
The next day, I got a proxie on the same guy after one of his B-24s went down to airfield auto ack.
I pm'd him to tell him to avoid auto ack, come in 7800 feet above field elevation.
No abuse. No humiliation.
I don't think we should coddle the new guys; just don't be a jerk. Anyone who raises themselves up by putting others down should see a mental health professional. :bolt:
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It's the people like Jayro you got to worry about...the receiving end of his higher then everyone F4U is going to be hard for these new guys because hogs are easy....
Put yourself in more risk now for a greater reward later...that reward being 200-300 more folks in the MA consistently at any given time.
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If we had performed this kind of yeoman service all along, Aces High would have been far more populated.
Along with Junky's idea, if vets can concentrate on staying low in any fights it would cause;
1. The fight be down forced lower.
2. Would give the new players the E/position advantage, most of them won't know what to do with it anyways.
3. Would educate the new players that there is another way to fight, or at the very least that altitude isn't everything.
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It's the people like Jayro you got to worry about...the receiving end of his higher then everyone F4U is going to be hard for these new guys because hogs are easy....
Put yourself in more risk now for a greater reward later...that reward being 200-300 more folks in the MA consistently at any given time.
People will come and go, how Jayro or anyone else chose to play makes no real difference, the game will grow or die on it's own merits.
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I have a question, when you meet a enemy plane in the air-fighters or bombers, how do you know they are new? you don't until they are shot down.
I'm all for new players coming in and I help as much as possible, but am I going to feel bad, no. unless I shoot down them down over and over. now saying that, I shot down 1 guy 4 times in 2 days, did feel bad, but then yesterday he changed to Knights, found out he was a returning player from 10 yrs ago-I didn't feel so bad anymore, he was just rusty.
so how do you know who is new?
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If they go for the HO normally i would call them a easy kill.
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so how do you know who is new?
well if youre at 5k and they are climbing straight to you they are new
if they climb straight in front of you they are new
those are a couple examples, I can kinda tell by there flying if they are new. and I agree its hard to not shoot them down, but maybe a few passes to help there awareness if possible, maybe holler at the other country on 200 and say hey player XXXXXX might need a few pointers or a wing man. like I said most guys seem to be doing a good job at helping new guys and direct them.
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People will come and go, how Jayro or anyone else chose to play makes no real difference, the game will grow or die on it's own merits.
You can believe that all you want but a 2 weeker get smacked over and over by the same person he can't even climb to is going to effect if he sticks with the game....
I have a question, when you meet a enemy plane in the air-fighters or bombers, how do you know they are new? you don't until they are shot down.
I'm all for new players coming in and I help as much as possible, but am I going to feel bad, no. unless I shoot down them down over and over. now saying that, I shot down 1 guy 4 times in 2 days, did feel bad, but then yesterday he changed to Knights, found out he was a returning player from 10 yrs ago-I didn't feel so bad anymore, he was just rusty.
so how do you know who is new?
I look at the roster prior to take off and I watch the feed at the bottom pretty closely....so I have a good idea who I'm about to fight a lot of the time and can tell their name almost instantly....
A lot of people's flying styles are noticeable too....I see an F4U above everyone picking I know 3-5 names of who it's going to be.
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I see an F4U above everyone picking I know 3-5 names of who it's going to be.
Tonight it's going to be me! :joystick: :airplane:
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Tonight it's going to be me! :joystick: :airplane:
I will make sure to load the salt dispensers on my plane tonight.
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I will make sure to load the salt dispensers on my plane tonight.
First flights indicated I'm not much of a danger anymore. :bhead
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Joining a squad is what got me hooked.......as a noobie, a squad took me in an taught me the ropes...(thank you JG-77).....made a huge difference......I still got slaughtered regularly(still do).....but there were other people to share the game pain and put me on the right learning path........I'm still here 7 years later......I think if more of that happens, they will stay too.... :old:
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First flights indicated I'm not much of a danger anymore. :bhead
My friend I respectfully can not believe you. I have been cleaning cephalopod slime off my windscreen for too many years to accept that answer lol.
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You don't make an omelette without breaking any eggs :airplane:
I keep fond memories of all the dieing I did back in the dayss :old:
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Tonight it's going to be me! :joystick: :airplane:
I don't actually get to see you much in the MA...you are normally busy finding bombers somewhere :D
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I propose a moratorium on runway vulching! :old:
These guy are coming in with a lot of questions. I spent a few hours helping some guys out tonight and I suggest others do the same. They seemed to love the game and if they are going to stay they need to be welcomed to the community. :cheers:
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But... I thought the proper customary procedure was like this:
1. Take advantage of their presence and slaughter them as quick and often as you can. Follow them to other bases, if necessary. Run away or bail outside proxy range if there's actually danger of getting killed.
2. Add insult to injury. PM them (even better: private vox!) and tell them how much they suck, that this is no place for them. Feel free to speculate about their sexual identity & preference and don't forget to extend that to their family as well.
3. CH200 and country channel are meant for politics. Make it clear you are a man with an OPINION, and everybody needs to hear it. Newcomers should be impressed by your manly way to express yourself. Also, tell everyone of them how much this 'rigged game' sucks, literally unplayable. You should know, you spent thousands of hours here!
4. Every salute should be met with utter contempt.
5. Wonder why the numbers are so low these days. Must be that damn Millennials fault!
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That seems so true. Imagine user penguinz0 on youtube reading this text with his voice while all of this is happening on background. :lol
When I rejoined the game recently under a new game tag I was called a "STEAMing P O O P" in a pm before AH was even available through Steam and that was because I shot down a low B-26 formation and did two sorties to accomplish that.
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No Mercy! No Mercy!
This is our land!
Destiny is everything!
:)
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its going to be difficult but if you vets could post a mission, a real one, like ww2, these noobs can learn more and have fun too. two 109's, tell the guy to follow you and shoot everything off your tail. they will be hooked and you get the joy of watching a kid fish.
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zack, this is why they wont let you near schools anymore. :old:
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It's the people like Jayro you got to worry about...the receiving end of his higher then everyone F4U is going to be hard for these new guys because hogs are easy....
Put yourself in more risk now for a greater reward later...that reward being 200-300 more folks in the MA consistently at any given time.
Unfortunately there are still squads of 6 to 8 guys.. two flying in 20k 190s picking.. and the rest is yaks spits la7s and n1ks ho'in everything in sight. Well one squad in particular.. im sure you can guess.
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No quarter for those taking off from a capped and de-acked field!
It's the best way to learn.
Other than that, telling the new guys "go to the training arena" is not very welcoming. Let's reach out and help them in the big arena. If you're telling them to go to the training arena, it should only be because you're going there with them for a session.
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Unfortunately there are still squads of 6 to 8 guys.. two flying in 20k 190s picking.. and the rest is yaks spits la7s and n1ks ho'in everything in sight. Well one squad in particular.. im sure you can guess.
Air Raiders...yea and then when it happens to them they send PMs or cry on 200.
EDIT The only one of that squad who I give props to is Silent, he can throw that pony around
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Unfortunately there are still squads of 6 to 8 guys.. two flying in 20k 190s picking.. and the rest is yaks spits la7s and n1ks ho'in everything in sight. Well one squad in particular.. im sure you can guess.
Whine recorded.
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Stupid question, but are turkeys really easy to shoot? I'd have thought they'd have started jinking, running and flapping on the first shot.
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Stupid question, but are turkeys really easy to shoot? I'd have thought they'd have started jinking, running and flapping on the first shot.
Real wild turkeys are challenging birds to hunt....Ben Franklin wanted them to be the US national bird over the bald eagle (sorry off topic, but answering shida's question).
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Whine recorded.
Sound familiar? :D
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Real wild turkeys are challenging birds to hunt....Ben Franklin wanted them to be the US national bird over the bald eagle (sorry off topic, but answering shida's question).
They have MADD situational awareness too! If Wild Turkeys had 1/16 the nose of a Whitetail you would never see a turkey :aok
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Don't count some of the new players out, I actually managed to find a new player last night that put up a nice little fight that had come from playing IL2. I took it a little easy on him after noticing he'd get into accelerated stalls while in the turn fight, so I'd let him recover before engaging again. I'm sure once he gets used to the flight model and controls, the player will surprise a few veteran players.
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"Back in my day" hehheh I have to admit when I first started playing this stuff nobody said hey lets take it easy on Pipz he is new! I doubt I would have wanted them to.
My first encounter I was in a slow f6f. I had probably 20 feet on a p51 goin 400 mph that I was about to merge with. I thought oh good I am above him! Guess how that turned out! :old: :D :joystick:
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Maybe they should have some type of marker by their Icon showing they are a two weeker. when they subscribe it could be removed.
I have a question, when you meet a enemy plane in the air-fighters or bombers, how do you know they are new? you don't until they are shot down.
I'm all for new players coming in and I help as much as possible, but am I going to feel bad, no. unless I shoot down them down over and over. now saying that, I shot down 1 guy 4 times in 2 days, did feel bad, but then yesterday he changed to Knights, found out he was a returning player from 10 yrs ago-I didn't feel so bad anymore, he was just rusty.
so how do you know who is new?
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"Back in my day" hehheh I have to admit when I first started playing this stuff nobody said hey lets take it easy on Pipz he is new! I doubt I would have wanted them to.
My first encounter I was in a slow f6f. I had probably 20 feet on a p51 goin 400 mph that I was about to merge with. I thought oh good I am above him! Guess how that turned out! :old: :D :joystick:
You got him, didnt you? :uhoh I use to set speed records when I started! Beat the ambulances to the crash sight by like 40 min or so....unless I just went poof :x Glad we dont have virtual ground crew chiefs! I wouldnt have had a butt to put in the seat :D
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Real wild turkeys are challenging birds to hunt....Ben Franklin wanted them to be the US national bird over the bald eagle (sorry off topic, but answering shida's question).
I propose this thread be re-titled Steam vs. Two-toad Sloth Shoot :old:
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Don't count some of the new players out, I actually managed to find a new player last night that put up a nice little fight that had come from playing IL2. I took it a little easy on him after noticing he'd get into accelerated stalls while in the turn fight, so I'd let him recover before engaging again. I'm sure once he gets used to the flight model and controls, the player will surprise a few veteran players.
This. I wonder how similar the flight models are?
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The FMs with Il2 are very similar actualy, someone coming from il2 will have no problem playing this.
But IL2 has more advanced damage model than aces high.
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Sweet. More competition!
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Maybe they should have some type of marker by their Icon showing they are a two weeker. when they subscribe it could be removed.
I think this is a great idea! Like anything it can be abused, but I feel the community would more often than not, embrace the new player and attempt to help them.
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The FMs with Il2 are very similar actualy, someone coming from il2 will have no problem playing this.
But IL2 has more advanced damage model than aces high.
With a bit of experience from flight sims you can do pretty well as a rookie, I had 15 kills for 16 deaths in the pony during my first 2 days as a two weeker. Reaching a k/d of 0,75-1 isnt too hard, and at that point you starts to land kills on a regular basis.
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This. I wonder how similar the flight models are?
There are quite a few good sticks in IL-2 BoS, probably more than there were in AH a few years ago when guys like Grizz and Kazaa still played the game. I guess you could attribute this to the popularity of IL-2 1946 back in the day.
IL-2 is set to release updated flight models soon, and after testing them IMO they feel not the same, but pretty similar to AH. The main difference being "sense of flight".
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There are quite a few good sticks in IL-2 BoS, probably more than there were in AH a few years ago when guys like Grizz and Kazaa still played the game. I guess you could attribute this to the popularity of IL-2 1946 back in the day.
IL-2 is set to release updated flight models soon, and after testing them IMO they feel not the same, but pretty similar to AH. The main difference being "sense of flight".
Man I hope they can come over an learn our game. Tired of the 10% thinking there poop is like roses :D
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'their' poop :bhead
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Lol, Nuke!
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'their' poop :bhead
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them thar poop (it is a Southern thing). :)
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I can't help my English I'm from Tennessee. Don't mind me ;)
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Help them, be courteous but don't coddle them. Of course my opinion is colored by my own upbringing in AH. I hit the runways in May 2007 and immediately ran into the likes of Skyrock, Steve, OlDemon, Mtnman, Snailman, Ricch, DrDeath, and squads like the Muppets, Rolling Thunder, LTARS, Jokers Jokers, Claim Jumpers. The list goes on. Not mentioning any of these names as paragaons of ACM or awesome tactics but all of them were efficient killers to a noob just joining the game. That is something no one can argue. I never met with a trainer and was pretty much self taught. I printed out all the charts learned all the buttons, but most of all I kept coming back for more until one day I found myself killing some of them fellas that were killing me. They will turn the corner. We just keep helping them up and encouraging them to come back for more fun! :aok
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do the new guys and gals a favor and advise them not to monitor 200.
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I missed the "number" player.
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I can't help my English I'm from Tennessee. Don't mind me ;)
I understood ya! Oh, me TOO, Tennessee :rock
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I understood ya! Oh, me TOO, Tennessee :rock
what part? I'm in middle.
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Run missions and invite newbies along. Nothing teaches a newbie faster than a flock of veterans around him.
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Run missions and invite newbies along. Nothing teaches a newbie faster than a flock of veterans around him.
When I first joined the MA, I was recruited by the 490th Battlin' Bulldogs. Some of the best people I've met in this game game were a part of that squad. They taught me how to use some many different things, from the keypad - key to how to properly calibrate bombing from E6B. They were an amazing group, but they started to drift away at that time.
From there, I went briefly to the BoPs because I'd see so many people landing kills and I equated it with skill... Unfortunately there was no squad cohesiveness and almost zero training involved with the squad, and it was a Red Army victory by numbers game which I did not enjoy.
After that, I went to the Unforgiven which I still consider my squad. I love seeing them land kills and wreck shop. My one issue is I honestly prefer to be able to switch sides, and going back to BoPs, I kind of got burnt out on the bishop play style. Not that there's anything wrong with it, it's just not the way I wish to play.
So I graduated to my solo squad. I still try and get involved in scenarios and FSO when I have a chance, and still FSO with my Unforgiven buddies. But the way the game has gone, I find more enjoyment being able to run solo.
All that being said... I would not be the pilot today I am without a squad and learning from others. Guys like the old 490th need to come back because having hands on small group work is amazing, and I truly believe the megasquads and massive overwhelming number missions tend to neglect skill and become a crutch. I'm not saying everyone will have the same experience, but I truly believe the small squad groups are better than any training arena or large group action because they teach you to not only be a better pilot, but how to work with your team to get kills, bases, strats, or whatever your crack is.
...And if AKAMixer wants to jump sides and run a few typhoon or M-Jug runs... I'd love to wing back up with you brother! :D
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Don't count some of the new players out, I actually managed to find a new player last night that put up a nice little fight that had come from playing IL2. I took it a little easy on him after noticing he'd get into accelerated stalls while in the turn fight, so I'd let him recover before engaging again. I'm sure once he gets used to the flight model and controls, the player will surprise a few veteran players.
Those are the ones who wil stick around here and the right way to go about fighting them, even if you killed that guy at least you gave him some fight time.
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I would suggest to not get into arguments with another player, when they are trying to help a player on the orange help channel....
Things like telling me I'm wrong to tell a new player that the T key is used for the V channel whether it's squad, mission or 101 thru 199 tuneable country vox channels....if you didn't pick up on my reply in the game, I'll make it more clearly here.... Don't tell me I'm wrong when you don't even know what is right (no names needed, they have been posting and reading this thread)
Or arguing whether one should use F11 or F12 for range/local vox....
Makes me wonder what the new players were thinking
With that said, I will not reply much on the help Channel anymore, unless someone is texting inaccurate information/instructions
Have seen lots of people helping new players on 200, country and help channel
Cheers
TC
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With that said, I will not reply much on the help Channel anymore, unless someone is texting inaccurate information/instructions
When those that truly care about our game are silenced by fools, then it is only the fools that will speak.
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I try to run missions when I am on.
I ask all of you... if you know of new players looking to run with a squad, please send them to me. I have designed my squad specifically for this.
My intent is to help out who I can and they can move on from there.
I am getting ready to switch countries soon. Those still learning will likely come over with me. Others may find a permanent squad.
My squad is just a training squad designed to help people. With this they get help with all the general things, help with formation and wingman flying, bombing, and base taking 101. They will get exposure to FSO as I fly with G3-MF. Rodent57 is a Trainer so they are getting great information.
Once they feel like they have learned enough, they can seek a recruiting squad. So please pay attention to the guys under my colors and introduce yourselves to them. Have them fly with y'all.
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SlipKnoT
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+++Maggot Suicide Squad+++
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Once again, I think this is fantastic you do this.
I think you should mention this once an hour while you are playing even if you guys aren't on a mission.
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Once again, I think this is fantastic you do this.
I think you should mention this once an hour while you are playing even if you guys aren't on a mission.
I agree. Not a bad idea, Sir!