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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MrRee on August 30, 2017, 07:36:59 AM
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Just as the title states, Why did Dolby get a ban? Did he do something in game? Was it because of his steam review?
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Very INteresting :bolt:
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:rolleyes:
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This one is doomed :old:
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Actually it's an honest question because dolby and a few of his friends have been spreading lies as to why he was banned, saying it was because they dared disagree with the wrong devs and that they ban people left and right in a totalitarian BBS system if anybody questions them, etc, etc... Utter drivel but they shout down anybody that chimes in.
I'll just let Hitech himself explain it, but the TL;DR is Dolby was stirring up **** and being a bad presence for a while and then there was a last straw and he was banned (not for the first time). It wasn't because his review, which is a rant/tyrade and an attack on the game devs which he promises to delete if he's unbanned.
Telling the other side of Dolby's story.
The last time he was banned from the BBS it was because he called me a liar and would not apologize. He had been banned previously 2 times and was on probation before the last ban. He was given more warnings then anyone else in the history of the board. Previously he was requesting to be let back in, we simply asked him if he would abide by our BBS rules, and he would not agree to our rules for about a year.
Also I never posted email between us I only posted the content of an email I had sent him.
We never set his email as spam.
I am shocked, shocked that we don't wish to do business with a customer like Dolby's after his extreeeeeemely flattering review. The real question is why would he wish to do business with us?
I'm a lot of things, but a liar is not something I get accused of.
I do my best to fix every posted bug. A simple look at the changes.txt files show how many.
The last physics upgrade was a change to the vehicle modeling a few months back.
As most people know disagreeing with us is no big deal. Being disruptive because of an opinion is what normally gets people in trouble, obviously dolby sorta proves the point why he was banned from the bbs for the exact behavior he is continuing.
So would anyone here wish to keep customers like Dolby (after his review on steam) around if they were the business owner?
HiTech
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For repeatedly refusing too follow rules on the bbs,being banned and let back in multiple times on this bbs and still refusing to follow the rules, followed by a deliberate attempt to damage HTC during a new launch on steam in both a review and on the steam bbs. Why would any player who wrote a "Review" like that ever wish to play AH? And why would we wish to do business with any one who goes out of there way to do a deliberate attack on HTC?
Nowhere did he write a review. He simply tried to disparage HTC.
Some how it seems to be an elusive concept to many people, that if you go into any business and intentionally be disruptive, you will be asked, then told to leave.
I have no desire to criticize Dolby I also have no desire to do business with dolby, after he repeatedly refuses to conduct him self in a sociably acceptable way in my place of business.
HiTech
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Yeah, his "review" is nothing but a personal attack against HTC. He even used to delete all comments that weren't from his friends to support his claims, but now he is apparently deleting every comment. I flagged and report it to the Steam admins, but it has not yet been removed. I would hope that anyone who reads it and his own comment on it, will realize that he has some personal issues and will ignore the "review".
It's no wonder why he was banned from here.
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For repeatedly refusing too follow rules on the bbs,being banned and let back in multiple times on this bbs and still refusing to follow the rules, followed by a deliberate attempt to damage HTC during a new launch on steam in both a review and on the steam bbs. Why would any player who wrote a "Review" like that ever wish to play AH? And why would we wish to do business with any one who goes out of there way to do a deliberate attack on HTC?
Nowhere did he write a review. He simply tried to disparage HTC.
Some how it seems to be an elusive concept to many people, that if you go into any business and intentionally be disruptive, you will be asked, then told to leave.
I have no desire to criticize Dolby I also have no desire to do business with dolby, after he repeatedly refuses to conduct him self in a sociably acceptable way in my place of business.
HiTech
Fair enough, I can understand your point of view and see how this has degraded over time into what it became as of lately. I have know Dolby almost 6 years now and spent thousands of hours as his wing over that time... I can say he was one of the guys who would defend AH to others outside of the AH community but inside the circle of his peers he is honest about his stance on topics. Never in the past six years did we remotely see ourselves NOT flying AH. Dolby WANTED to make videos for you because he loved the game and expressed it through cinematic film. Despite all of the back and forth HTC has had with Dolby he never threw his hands up and walked away permanently. He might have had words and disagreements leaving him frustrated where he would take small breaks of not playing, but in short time he was back to his subscription.
I am not here to make any deals for Dolby nor does he know I am posting about this topic.
I am not here to "come to his defense" either.
I guess in the end it all comes down to 'cause and effect'
Because "this" happens the effect is "this" sort of thing.... Because of a long dwindling relationship with Dolby you and he have a personal history of going back and forth, this time being the last straw for you.
Just because someone says it doesn't mean others will listen. Those who do listen usually are of the mindset to seek more information before drawing a conclusion on things like "Forums" and what other people say.
I own a Jewelry Store and if I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort. Then on top of the fact that it looks poor on me to argue with anyone publicly in any format. Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument, anyone on a forum can just as easily not believe me. Just as easily as they can not believe what is said about me.
I let my business do the speaking for me when confronted with Dolbys and maybe it should have come to that with HTC and Dolby.
It is sad to see this happen with anyone at anytime, not just Dolby.
At what point do two people agree to disagree and walk away from one another....
:salute
:airplane:~<Deadstik, Dahmer, MrRee, Oyabun and now currently Kusogaki
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I own a Jewelry Store and if I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort. Then on top of the fact that it looks poor on me to argue with anyone publicly in any format. Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument, anyone on a forum can just as easily not believe me. Just as easily as they can not believe what is said about me.
Yeah. But if you had a guy coming in and haranguing other customers about what a terrible jewelry store it was, then complain when they were kicked out, how many times would you let them come back and do it again before just blocking them on sight?
Wiley.
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Fair enough, I can understand your point of view and see how this has degraded over time into what it became as of lately. I have know Dolby almost 6 years now and spent thousands of hours as his wing over that time... I can say he was one of the guys who would defend AH to others outside of the AH community but inside the circle of his peers he is honest about his stance on topics. Never in the past six years did we remotely see ourselves NOT flying AH. Dolby WANTED to make videos for you because he loved the game and expressed it through cinematic film. Despite all of the back and forth HTC has had with Dolby he never threw his hands up and walked away permanently. He might have had words and disagreements leaving him frustrated where he would take small breaks of not playing, but in short time he was back to his subscription.
I am not here to make any deals for Dolby nor does he know I am posting about this topic.
I am not here to "come to his defense" either.
I guess in the end it all comes down to 'cause and effect'
Because "this" happens the effect is "this" sort of thing.... Because of a long dwindling relationship with Dolby you and he have a personal history of going back and forth, this time being the last straw for you.
Just because someone says it doesn't mean others will listen. Those who do listen usually are of the mindset to seek more information before drawing a conclusion on things like "Forums" and what other people say.
I own a Jewelry Store and if I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort. Then on top of the fact that it looks poor on me to argue with anyone publicly in any format. Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument, anyone on a forum can just as easily not believe me. Just as easily as they can not believe what is said about me.
I let my business do the speaking for me when confronted with Dolbys and maybe it should have come to that with HTC and Dolby.
It is sad to see this happen with anyone at anytime, not just Dolby.
At what point do two people agree to disagree and walk away from one another....
:salute
:airplane:~<Deadstik, Dahmer, MrRee, Oyabun and now currently Kusogaki
Mr. Dolby was told multiple times to contact HiTech directly and not to continue his posts in the BBS on certain issues. He refused and in fact even argued about how he should report his grievances. I couldn't believe it when I saw some of it unfold. It is something every on of us does when we feel something needs their attention. The BBS is not the place for a lot of what he was trying to communicate. Has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing.
I am not arguing one way or the other. I am just stating what the facts are that I saw unfold in the public eye because Dolby tried to keep it public.
This is only very general example and I am not saying this is what he was talking about. But we have all seen this...
"Player X is cheating. Explains situation in game..."
Then a few of us would recommend to send a film directly to HiTech and let it be looked into.
Had he done what was asked of him, this post wouldn't be here. Instead he continued t badger and pick and prod. That is a problem.
I understand why you asked the question. I get it. He is a friend. But at some point, you have to be responsible for your actions.
IMHO
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Dolby has always been critical of HTC and Aces High. He is one of the Founders of Flame Warriors a website that has a forum section dedicated to smearing Aces high, the developers, the players, etc. His crap has been tolerated for years and he finally stepped way over the line and now is looking at what may be a lifetime ban on these boards and in game. Hard to feel sorry as he had multiple chances to lighten up, but he has been nothing but abrasive to the company that owns this game and to players that enjoy the game. I am find myself unable to shed any tears at his banning.
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MrRee:
What would you do if some one came into your store and started screaming to your customers don't purchase any thing because you are a liar. When you ask him calm down he refuses. Finally I assume you would have him escorted out.
He later calls you and want to shop at your store, you ask him will he not again berate you to the customers in your store. He will not say yes.
Later he calls and says ok , i'll abide by what you ask.
He comes in all works on that trip, 1 week later he comes in and again start screaming you are not honest to all the customers in the store.
Rinse repeat.
Now you agree to do business with him via phone and mail, but he may not come back into your store. This continues but after a while he starts picketing outside your store.
You now say, ok I'm done I'm not doing business with this guy any longer.
Then some one comes into your store and ask, why won't you do business with the person picketing?
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I went chasing down every negative thing said about my business I would have to hire someone it would require too much effort.
I don't and never have. It only becomes an issue when they do it spitefully, in my place of business. As described above.
Irregardless of who is correct, unless I was prepared to show proof of evidence to support my argument,
It is very very difficult for me to show proof because in general we try to keep any relationship with a customer private.
Hence why you very, very, rarely see us discuss anything we have done with any player. In this case you asked specifically mostly likely do to something you saw Dolby post.
For me to dispute specific accusations would typically require me to post private communications from customers. Or post specific facts that would further damage the reputation of a customer. My goal is not to disparage anyone.
It is simply to protect my business.
At what point do two people agree to disagree and walk away from one another....
I have walked away many, many times. Dolby just keeps on following. The last time I walked away, I simply banned him from this board for breaking the rules while on probation. I did not ban him from the game, only from the BBS. So now who is having trouble walking away?
It was only after his recent behavior on steam that I decided I'm done and block Dolby from our system. After which he will still not walk away.
I don't specifically go after Dolby.
I don't give him any thought until he does something that forces me to deal with his behavior again.
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Why does dolby delete every post under his review?
MrRee: Take this thread as an example, you are being critical of me in your last post, but you are being critical in a respectful way. Do you find my response to be anything like what some people describe how I interact or react to criticism?
HiTech
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How will we ever survive without .... wait ... what's his name? :D
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Bravo Hitech, thank you very much for the explanation of the situation.
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One of HTC devs ( and HT's good friend) just passed and you guys are discussing why some loudmouth got banned ? How about giving it a rest for few weeks ?
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MrRee: PS it occurred to me you may have not read the review.
I can say he was one of the guys who would defend AH to others outside of the AH community but inside the circle of his peers he is honest about his stance on topics.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197993632034/recommended/651090/
What part of this review in any way is defending Aces High to outsiders?
HiTech
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I read some of those steam reviews and they sound a little unhinged. To me this sounds like a problem of boundaries. People sometimes think that playing AH and really really liking AH means they have a right to control what happens with the game. The fact is that paying a few thousand dollars in subscription fees over several years does not equal creating and maintaining this game. I don't think it requires much In the way of perception to realize how UNIQUE this game is and I personally have a hard time imagining that it is that lucrative to run compared to the amount of effort involved given the skills required.
The path to hell is paved with players desires to improve the game. Every peanut in this gallery has a MASTER PLAN that they feel free to bloviate on and that is all well and good. The mistake that a small number of people make is in thinking their enthusiasm entitles them to something bigger than merely the right to play the game, they begin to confuse use with ownership. For a still smaller number that confusion apparently leads to tantrums. It really is a shame but I think it is just part of human nature.
There is nothing wrong with leaving a "Meh" review or being critical about things you don't like about the game however, the level of aggrievement that some people express is indicative of a level of emotional engagement that isn't really appropriate. It says something, I think, about the dark side of a game that enables you to experience flight, that primal desire, so well. Combined with the satisfaction of another primal drive, that of hunting or even killing, playing this game must do SOMETHING in the area of brain chemistry that can make it consuming to a degree that isn't entirely healthy for some individuals' emotional well being.
It is a little tragic in a way and while it is easy enough to say "GO OUTSIDE FOR GODS SAKE!" from the outside, I have seen at least one apparently well adjusted player who clearly had difficulty regulating his game play and had to give up this game which he clearly loved.
So I guess I'm saying that I am not surprised to see slightly kooky snarling from some players ex or current, and my advice to them is to try to get a hold of themselves.
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pembquist, with a game like Aces High it makes people passionate about the game, the history, the memories you got from flying with squaddies 5 years ago in a massive scenario formation.
It says something that even our discontent minority are that passionate about it.
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Spanish Civil War. :cool:
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:aok
One of HTC devs ( and HT's good friend) just passed and you guys are discussing why some loudmouth got banned ? How about giving it a rest for few weeks ?
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Once again, pembquist, you put it so well. :salute
i just wait till after you post so i can agree with you and save myself some typing.
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One thing many people fail to realize is HT is not some huge organization with a lot programmers etc. It still amazes me after all the years I have been playing that just a small handful of people in a small office can run this game with the efficiency they do. Game has been down only a handful of time over the 12 years I have played and the cost has never gone up even with the smaller player base I find that in itself amazing as the cost of everything increases over time. I do not always agree with with everything but I just play the game and have fun. I hear the word cheating a lot, I don't know if people cheat or not, does not make any difference to me, if they do, that says something about their lack of character and that is their problem. If I get shot down I always get a new airplane. I play to have fun, If I want to take flying seriously I will go fly my real life RV-6 and do real aerobatics. :bolt:
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Dolby has always been critical of HTC and Aces High. He is one of the Founders of Flame Warriors a website that has a forum section
Not even close to the truth, Dolby did not join FW until nearly 5 and a half years after it opened and is not a frequent poster. As for the section of the site being "dedicated to smearing Aces high, the developers, the players, etc." Also not true. It is a discussion section and a lot of updated about development are also posted. There are a number of FW frequent posters who are current players and they really enjoy it and post about it.
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He is one of the Founders of Flame Warriors a website that has a forum section dedicated to smearing Aces high, the developers, the players, etc. .
Dolby has nothing to do with Flame Warriors other than be a registered member, he is not "one of the founders". Nor does Flame Warriors have a forum section dedicated to "smearing" Aces High, the developers, players, etc.
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Dolby has nothing to do with Flame Warriors other than be a registered member, he is not "one of the founders". Nor does Flame Warriors have a forum section dedicated to "smearing" Aces High, the developers, players, etc.
:aok
It's more of a section to have an opinion without it being edited.
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My take on flamewarrior has always been, there was a contingency of people on this board who wanted to have a place they could talk about anything and everything with impunity. So one of the guys started flamewarrior for that purpose.
As far as I know there has never been bad blood between flamewarrior and HTC.
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My take on flamewarrior has always been, there was a contingency of people on this board who wanted to have a place they could talk about anything and everything with impunity. So one of the guys started flamewarrior for that purpose.
As far as I know there has never been bad blood between flamewarrior and HTC.
This is all true. So are the previous few posts about that other place.
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Gentlemen, I have been corrected about Flame warrior's origins. Thank you.
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Gentlemen, I have been corrected about Flame warrior's origins. Thank you.
Classy response. Well said. :salute
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Because he deserved it.
:salute
Sik
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Dolby is my friend. Sad to see it come to this, but I understand why it did.
:salute
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For repeatedly refusing too follow rules on the bbs,being banned and let back in multiple times on this bbs and still refusing to follow the rules, followed by a deliberate attempt to damage HTC during a new launch on steam in both a review and on the steam bbs. Why would any player who wrote a "Review" like that ever wish to play AH? And why would we wish to do business with any one who goes out of there way to do a deliberate attack on HTC?
Nowhere did he write a review. He simply tried to disparage HTC.
Some how it seems to be an elusive concept to many people, that if you go into any business and intentionally be disruptive, you will be asked, then told to leave.
I have no desire to criticize Dolby I also have no desire to do business with dolby, after he repeatedly refuses to conduct him self in a sociably acceptable way in my place of business.
HiTech
:aok
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I heard there was really only 1 rule
Dont be a dick....
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My experience with dolby was me telling him my dad bagged a mig in nam and that I build cars we run on kennedy space center runway.
He screamed "icepac is a liar" in the arenas as well as the forum often even after being handed proof.
He did this so often that I often get "you are a known liar" from random players even though nobody has ever proven that.
The truth did not fit his agenda but he didn't let that get in the way.
He and Coombz spent way too much time promoting the "icepac is a liar" agenda and now both are banned (for being liars among other things) and I'm still here without ever having experienced more than 1 or 2 "rule number" editing of a post.
I'm ok with him being gone.
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I don't get it. It seems there are way too many interesting things to do in life and way too little time. I don't get why some people waste their time making life more challenging for others...... :rolleyes:
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I don't get it. It seems there are way too many interesting things to do in life and way too little time. I don't get why some people waste their time making life more challenging for others...... :rolleyes:
Or thinking they do .... while they're obviously .... challenged.
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I like Dolby for the most part...but he reminds everyone of their first wife
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I thought he was banned because of that gawd awful music he puts in his videos. :uhoh
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Someone commented:
SirCampsalot Il y a 5 heures
This isn't the only game that he's been banned from.
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He and Coombz spent way too much time...
The main thing is you have recovered from the systematic abuse and have moved on without becoming permanently bitter about it.
I thought he was banned because of that gawd awful music he puts in his videos. :uhoh
Differing musical tastes aside, his AH cinematography was unrivalled.
One does lament the days when more spirited personalities where common on the AH forums. Good behaviour and entertainment sometimes pull in different directions :)
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Dolby was a strong influence for me, in that he helped to interest me in flying the 109's. For the first few years that I played and knew him, hem Latrobe and several others were very respected players, not only for the honor they showed, but for their talents and their humor. Then the schlitz hit the fan, so to speak, and they all became whiney little babies. I have watched and had hoped that Dolby had finally gotten it together again, but, alas, it wasn't to happen. No one is indispensable to the game, and no player(s) should be allowed to dictate how the game is played, or what HiTech should do with HIS game.
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I like Dolby for the most part...but he reminds everyone of their first wife
:rofl
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Dolby was a loud sweetheart and this is why he got banned.
Loud sweetheartbags are colorful personalities that can add a lot to the community provided you have a thick enough skin and a light enough attitude to stand having them around.
Dolby for all his sweetheartbagness was fun to have around, but I guess that there is a limit to everything.
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lol the profanity filter... :D
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So the most important question was he Welsh then?
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So the most important question was he Welsh then?
It's quite obvious he didn't like pie.
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Closet Welshman.. .
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Suuuuuuuure ;)
lol the profanity filter... :D
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The Wisdom of the ZONEY:
"I have really only one simple rule,
Give more to the game than you take away."
Zoney December 23, 2009 ahbbs
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I liked it so much i put it in my sig. See below V
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Dolby noise cancellation?
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Dolby got banned then?
When are we having a Tempest update?
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Dolby noise cancellation?
Drop the mic and walk away. :rofl
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Just my view, If you don't like the game, fine. Quit, but I don't want to hear the whining about the "game needs this" or "Hitech and Skuzzy help cheaters". Remember you have NO first amendment rights in this game.
Dolby was his OWN worst enemy. :noid
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Dolby was his OWN worst enemy. :noid
^This.
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Dolby noise cancellation?
FTW :aok
Dolby is basically a good guy that needs professional help.
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Just my view, If you don't like the game, fine. Quit, but I don't want to hear the whining about the "game needs this" or "Hitech and Skuzzy help cheaters". Remember you have NO first amendment rights in this game.
Dolby was his OWN worst enemy. :noid
+1
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Dolby noise cancellation?
bbs needs a 'Like' feature (Nuke can show you how to do it :bolt:)
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Dolby is basically a good guy that needs professional help.
Heh. The warm and witty side of Heinrich Himmler.
- oldman
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He changed his review.
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I just read the review. I dont think AH deserved that. Not even a little.
I think this game is amazing. As it is. The developers have done an amazing job. They are crazily dedicated to putting out a quality product.
I'd recommend to Dolby or anyone else feeling compelled to be that critical of this or any company...just leave. Move on. OK its not for you. Be mature about it. :old:
For me though, Aces High is the apex of WWII flight sims. I love it and most of the crazy people in this game that have the same affliction in appreciating the possibility to play of game of this quality for this genre of games.
Bravo HiTech.
and...
Live long and prosper.
-Spock
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I would not go as far as that :rofl
:)
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Just my view, If you don't like the game, fine. Quit, but I don't want to hear the whining about the "game needs this" or "Hitech and Skuzzy help cheaters". Remember you have NO first amendment rights in this game.
Dolby was his OWN worst enemy. :noid
so very true
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What about me?
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What about me?
Mad as a drawer full of scarves.
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(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2841312/sling-blade-o.gif)
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Dolby is my friend. Sad to see it come to this, but I understand why it did.
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This. Dolby helped me get into 109's. Did I agree with everything he did no. Did I know about some of things mentioned here, certainly not. Hate to see him gone, but as Devil said, I also understand why.
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Someone needs to do a Hitler video mashup from DOWNFALL about the ban. :old:
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I'd rather see everyone wish him well and move on. :aok
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I like Dobly.
Classic Freedom of Association: We reserve the right to refuse business to anyone. I know that is an awful truth associated with Freedom now days, though if HiTec exercises that right, there it is.
Freedom is not just for the loudest, but for all. Property Rights are vital to freedom. We don't own AH. We rent it under conditions.
Boo
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I think this thread should have been titled: "Why are we wasting 5 pages of bulletin board on why Dolby got a ban".... :old:
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Mad as a drawer full of scarves.
I have a drawer full of scarves...... :confused:
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Some of us have been temporarily banned from the forum for forgetting this is a game and breaking the rules continually. :bolt:
But we have learned and realized to be respectful and empathetic of others thoughts. We don't need negativity in a game that is used by many for some simple fun. New players don't need to be attacked by ego maniacs that can't accept someone with less "Skill" that shot them down. Send a salute and be done with it, move on, get on with it!
:salute
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This thread is cooked.
Would be best for all if the topic is simply dropped.
HiTech