I seem remember a thread a while back where HT eluded to reducing the number of troops in a M3 to potentially give the an advantage to actually taking a goon. Personally, it always bugged (still does) me that you can generally get to an enemy objective faster in a GV than you can in a plane. That and GV spawns across large bodies of water. Seems counterintuitive in an air combat game.
I'm wondering if he accidentally disabled troops when he meant to disable resupply... wouldn't be the first time Hitech did something unexpected... :bolt:
I'm wondering if he accidentally disabled troops when he meant to disable resupply... wouldn't be the first time Hitech did something unexpected... :bolt:
:D - ya know I luvs ya Hitech.
Maybe, but that still begs the question of why only the M3?
I would fly goons a lot, if it not ruins bomber scores.If you get the base take, it really helps bomber score
If you get the base take, it really helps bomber score
I can not believe HTC listened to a few whining players that had very little to do with base captures.
I can not believe HTC listened to a few whining players that had very little to do with base captures. Surely this is some sort of joke.
These same whining players would love to land numerous goon kills.
If true, this is a dark day for AH.
I can not believe HTC listened to a few whining players that had very little to do with base captures. Surely this is some sort of joke.
These same whining players would love to land numerous goon kills.
If true, this is a dark day for AH.
Can't wait to see the Snail bar chart on this one
Take a bunch of the SdKfz 251s loaded with rockets and troops all over town... and maybe a single M4...
Rocket the place then all let troops run from all different directions...
Like a manifestation of red!!!
At least tell them how to use the rockets. I just tested them on a range, level ground to the target.The distance changes a bunch if moving forward or backward. Do test yourself off line.
23 degree rockets - 1000yds.
45 degree rockets - 2250yds.
You can only fire them from the drivers seat. Zoom 100%, the aimpoint is the top of the first black band from the bottom of the pole seen through the drivers window. At 1000yds the rockets spread about 20-30ft. At 2250yds the rockets can spread up to 120ft. Rockets will hit short and long of the range given somewhat, they are not very accurate.
As you can see there are quite a few players not happy with this move...... so it would be nice for the people we pay a subscription to to explain why this move.......really. as customers I think we would like to know
Pretty much your only right as a paying customer is you can leave. You should learn some diplomacy.Sorry, I don't think he's wrong on this, and I don't feel his request is out
4 Jeep are WAY faster than 1 m3 anyways.... :devil JUst try to recruit jeep jockeys though... :bolt:
The distance changes a bunch if moving forward or backward. Do test yourself off line.
Wow! I really enjoyed the improved air to air combat last night since the deleting of the m3 troops. We Rooks topped the Bish base and shot them down as they took off. An hour later they come to our base and shot us as we took off. You air combat whiners are right. Your K/D goes nothing but up.
The excitement level?The same as a warm, brown turd slapping the water of your favorite, white, porcelain receptor.
:rofl
Sorry, I don't think he's wrong on this, and I don't feel his request is out
of line.
Surprised that everyone doesn't remember the last time HTC tweaked the game, remember about 10 years ago, he implemented base ordering to control and encourage combat by forcing the order in which bases had to be captured. We suffered through that and did a full 360 turn around, in the end nothing changed except a lot of guys got pissed and left the game. Here we go again.
Because someone, just like 90%* of the AH players, did not think of the SdKfz 251 :noid
That is the only GV i need to kill in the D-25. :furious
*)yes, I made that number up
Your use of the word "whiners" is highly ironic.
Snail, would you be able to post a chart of the M3's usage over all other vehicles (that carry troops and supplies) and the C-47 before this change to the M3?
If this thing would last for the full next tour, I could show any change in vehicle vs bomber base captures. And, of course, kills&deaths for all freight carrying vehicles.
Used an SdKfz 251 the other day to capture a base and win the war on my 2nd try. The first try I fired a rocket by mistake and blew myself up because I was near a Tree. :noid
My guess: The thread about the M3's effectiveness had HiTech take a close look at how often the M3 gets used over the other vehicles for troops and sups. From there, he opted to remove troops from the M3 because it is the pretty much the ONLY vehicle seriously used to bring troops in when there is a GV spawn to a base. It was either this or a perk tag put on the M3.
The result: He has made the M3 less effective now.
Snail, would you be able to post a chart of the M3's usage over all other vehicles (that carry troops and supplies) and the C-47 before this change to the M3? I'm going to guess that the use of the M3 is going a bit higher than all of them, and probably combined the GV's that carry troops and supplies won't top the M3.
If this thing would last for the full next tour, I could show any change in vehicle vs bomber base captures. And, of course, kills&deaths for all freight carrying vehicles.
There's no doubt that 251 deaths would go up almost exponentially, as before two days ago it was almost never used for anything in the MA.
I captured a base last night with one as well. In fact, I scored a kill on an M3 attempting to resupply the town. They're just slower is all, so I suppose it's not the end of the world.
My guess is he cant split the M3 usage supply/troop drop. By removing troop drop from the equation he can now see how often the M3 is used for supply runs. If it looks like the supply runs ARE an unbalancing issue then maybe he will change it. Im sure the troop cuts for the M3 are only temporary.
Used an SdKfz 251 the other day to capture a base and win the war on my 2nd try. The first try I fired a rocket by mistake and blew myself up because I was near a Tree. :noid
If it looks like the supply runs ARE an unbalancing issue then maybe he will change it. Im sure the troop cuts for the M3 are only temporary.
Simple......make the M3 only spawnable from the vh.-1
In game there's quite a bit of extreme reactions about it, most of it accusing "BBS whiners" for being the reason of this measure. And again, mostly in a very (unintended) ironic way.
However, none of them (so far), told me what's really SO bad about it, other than "IT SUCKS". I mean, what's factually so bad about it for the whole game and your personal play that you (and so many people you claim to know) are about to leave AH? Some are totally refusing (or ignoring) the fact that the SdKfz is still there ("A25 WF, but we cant get troops there, no m3s anymore, thanks HT!"
Yes, I do get it that you don't like it. But what exactly is now "breaking the game"? It's not that a particular aspect of gameplay has been removed. It's nothing like the Capture Order experiment, or the Arena Caps, or even the splitting up of the central strats.
Bases still get captured. Wars are still being won. (I did not even note a slower rate of captures yet). You can still drive troops to the maproom, even just one player. You are not being FORCED using four Jeeps or the dreaded goon. The tactics used are essentially still the same.
So what is really "breaking the game" at the moment? What does really make the game near unplayable? Seriously, what is the thing I am missing?
Your not missing anything.. its the just the same babies that would cry if you took away their spit16 or la7.Leave my Spit alone! You..You Lazerr, you :x When its in the air too :furious :neener:
I wonder what 800 people online did back in the day besides run troops and supplies around in a m3. OH YEAH..they had huge battles for bases.
I really hope the supplies get nerfed next.. you will notice a huge jump in the ease of kicking up fights on bases because folks will be forced to defend and not supply.
Your not missing anything.. its the just the same babies that would cry if you took away their spit16 or la7.
I wonder what 800 people online did back in the day besides run troops and supplies around in a m3. OH YEAH..they had huge battles for bases.
I really hope the supplies get nerfed next.. you will notice a huge jump in the ease of kicking up fights on bases because folks will be forced to defend and not supply.
You want more players in the air?! Then prove it.. Let the defenders up off the runway... You can't vulch someone over and over and not let them get in the air and then complain when they don't up and jump into an M3s.. Especially when you come in 15. + Strong and defenders are 4... It maybe fun for cappers but I assure you it's not for the defenders
I don't complain often but somebody needs to explain the logic behind this M3 ( no troops) idea. As of today nothing from HT, that I've hear of, as to why they decided to try this "experiment" as someone called it. Yes this Sim is theirs to do with what they want, but need I remind them WHO PAYS THE BILLS TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN??
We do, the loyal Aces High members, which is comprised of what 300 total? The Steam "experiment" sure turned out to be a flop, as the Xbox generation want immediate satisfaction and you cannot learn this Sim in 2 weeks.
So be careful and remember who your customers are, or this Sim will be going the way of Air Warriors.
BHawk51
Yup. I already know of 4 players who say they'll leave the game if this turns out to be permanent. How much of that is knee-jerk reaction and how much if it is steely resolve I don't know. But I'm one of the 4. This sucks.
You want more players in the air?! Then prove it.. Let the defenders up off the runway... You can't vulch someone over and over and not let them get in the air and then complain when they don't up and jump into an M3s.. Especially when you come in 15. + Strong and defenders are 4... It maybe fun for cappers but I assure you it's not for the defenders
That nails it scott. The people who complain about m3 resups detracting from the combat aspect of the game are in large part the people who lurk in numbers over runways and vulch hapless uppers. And/or they have been playing many years and honed their flying skills to a knife's edge, people against whom poor fighter pilots like myself have little chance of defeating. I want to help my team, but I'm not upping into that. I'll resup or try to get the bad guys' VH; usually resup, because the need for speed is critical.
Let me make this clear though: I have no problem with people vulching a runway in association with a base take try. It's a legitimate aspect of the game. But defenders need an option if they want to save their base. Resup is key in that regard. If the vulching crew doesn't like it then one of them should tear himself away from the joy of easy kills and kill the VH from which m3s spawn instead. Not try to deny to people like me the parts of the game we find engaging. Or whine that we're slithering around snake-like because we're not upping and giving them easy kills.
... but if you think new younger folks are going to come here and pay14.95 to shoot your Fed-Ex truck.... you are sadly mistaken.
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Been gone a few weeks, and don't feel like reading the whole thread....Can someone give me the cliff notes version?
It sure seems odd to me because I don't see a problem it solves, and it barely changes gameplay.
Which makes the "I quit" threats even more puzzling to me. So far, nobody of them pointet out real, substantial problems with it.
Or they believe the vast furballer conspiracy (or better yet the anti-their-country conspiracy) got their way at their expense.
This may be an opportunity to experiment with all kinds of things ....
.....like.....
Troops on motorcycles!
Troops on ice!
Ice!
Troop trains!
Troop tunnels!
Jet-pack troops!
Capture by dog pack!
And sorry, I don't believe there are so many players who came to AH just to drive the iconic M3, and nothing else.
Troops on ice!
In your comprehensive records, do you have the date that AH introduced the M3? Seems to me that the world got along just fine before that happened.
- oldman
What if this is only a psychological experiment and we are the test subjects...
You know, just to see who freaks the first/most...
Wait until HT disables supplies instead of troops in part two of this experiment... :uhoh
I have given up on base captures for the most part since the m3 removal.
I was ranked number 2nd tour before last with 23 captures by m3 and 6 by goons.
Besides, if we had jet pack troops then that's all everyone would do. Rocketeer.
One of my favorite all time movies, and sadly underrated. :old:
One of my favorite all time movies, and sadly underrated. :old:
Sometimes you you give customers what they need not what they want.
As you can see there are quite a few players not happy with this move...... so it would be nice for the people we pay a subscription to to explain why this move.......really. as customers I think we would like to knowDundee
I don't complain often but somebody needs to explain the logic behind this M3 ( no troops) idea. As of today nothing from HT, that I've hear of, as to why they decided to try this "experiment" as someone called it. Yes this Sim is theirs to do with what they want, but need I remind them WHO PAYS THE BILLS TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN??
We do, the loyal Aces High members, which is comprised of what 300 total? The Steam "experiment" sure turned out to be a flop, as the Xbox generation want immediate satisfaction and you cannot learn this Sim in 2 weeks.
So be careful and remember who your customers are, or this Sim will be going the way of Air Warriors.
BHawk51
Surprised that everyone doesn't remember the last time HTC tweaked the game, remember about 10 years ago, he implemented base ordering to control and encourage combat by forcing the order in which bases had to be captured. We suffered through that and did a full 360 turn around, in the end nothing changed except a lot of guys got pissed and left the game. Here we go again.
Traveler
Having fast m3s still loaded with field cargo and slow troop carriers crawling makes bases even more difficult to capture the "defenders" can drive invisible ninja m3s with loaded with field cargo rebuild the town , another step towards stalled fights front and maps.
there are plenty of troop carriers in AH. an M3 isnt the only way. ...Lazer, do you care about base takes?
A very early stats check 4 days into the new tour:
There is almost no measurable change in the capturing department yet. There's a very tiny increasy in bomber captures - They are at 19% so far, but that's still well inside the usual range of previous months. I also can't spot an unusual decrease of overall rate of base captures, played hours/capture is also still in the same range it has been all during 2017.
So far, the SdKfz didn't cause any significant changes.
Stay tuned! :old:
A very early stats check 4 days into the new tour:
There is almost no measurable change in the capturing department yet. There's a very tiny increasy in bomber captures - They are at 19% so far, but that's still well inside the usual range of previous months. I also can't spot an unusual decrease of overall rate of base captures, played hours/capture is also still in the same range it has been all during 2017.
So far, the SdKfz didn't cause any significant changes.
Stay tuned! :old:
Our squad did a lot of base captures.
I think HT is about to add:
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What all can carry troops now?
1. - SdKfz 251
2. - Jeep
3. - LVT
4. - c47
So what is Hitech testing by removing troop carrying from the M3, the jeep cannot carry feild supply's, and the M3 still can. While the SdK is an M3 by another name untouched. Is he trying to test player response before a major pending change to a defacto game institution so he doesn't drive players away? I bet almost everyone who uses the M3 for GV\base supply runs and troops has it in their favorites tab, and has to go looking for the jeep, LVT, SdK and c47 in the other tabs. If their response is to find the next equivalent in the list to do the same job, at this point when you are helping people to change life style habits, you add another small change. A larger change is easier to accept if you have been in the habit of change up to it.
The arguments in the forums over the M3 have been game play ideological to say the least, rancorous and divisive at other times. Major game changes or lack of in the past have been responded to by some players leaving the game. Hitech gets stuck balancing a both ends stick stinky from it's center, while hoping for good results and not having to grab either end.
Lazerr is in the ideologically rancorous camp as you can see. :O
Does not make any sense to take a vehicle that was officially know as a personal carrier and take the personal from it. That is what they were designed for armored personnel carriers.
It would sense if you want to see how much the m3 is being used for resupply.This is what I hope their reason is, still seeing plenty of M3s being used to resupply towns.
I'm going to start doing 20 sorties a day with the 75MM on it just to really skew HTC's numbers and watch you people cry more. :neener:
I doubt your 600 additional sorties/tour would 'really skew' the numbers for the m3. ;)
Because someone, just like 90%* of the AH players, did not think of the SdKfz 251 :noid
we have thought about it and............. It's slow and the gun radius is only 180°, and it's only a 7.62
*)yes, I made that number up
It would be nice if htc would state what test results he was looking for in removing troops from the m3.
A lot of bad press here and other forums and everyday and night during game play since the yanking of troops from the m3.
Treating paying members like mushrooms is not a good business plan for a video game.
It would be nice if htc would state what test results he was looking for in removing troops from the m3.
Um... that would kind of affect the test results he'd get. Of course, if your motivation is to find out what he's looking to change so you can skew it in your favor, it's a logical question.I promise I haven't been running any M3s with town supplies I swear :devil
Wiley.
The funny thing is I see all of these quotes about people complaining on country channel about no troops in m3s. Yet other than the first couple of days I haven’t seen anything on knights country channel about it. Maybe the other two countries have been more vocal about it.
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Is there a correlation between the number of players (displayed by kill per hour?) and the method of capture? Some are determining the war winning concept has impacted overall gameplay and numbers online, I'm curious if that is entirely accurate.
I'm a bit confused ... number of players displayed by kills/hour? :headscratch:
I just wanted to see if there was a negative correlation between M3 increased use and decline in players. Hard to say, unless it is compared upon kills per hour because the data isn't available for a direct comparison.
This is an effort to see if the M3 resupply whiners have a case.