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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FX1 on January 19, 2018, 11:53:56 AM
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Timid has a new definition with the current 190 pilot in the game. Its sad that their are a couple 190 pilots that can watch while I kill all their buddies. Couple days ago one bush 190 pilot started harrasing me during my climb out during take off. He would only engage while I was fighting another bad guy. Long story short I killed 9 of his buddies and he vulched me during the landing.
To me it sounds boring to have a 9kd if your kph is .0000013.
With our current 190 guys I have zero fear.....
You guys need to step up your game and get into the fight.
Learn the art of fighting with a disavatage and use the climb rate of the 190 to sucker guys into a vertical scissor fight.
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Out of curiosity.. what were you flying?
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F4u I think. I was in la7 to that day trading off.
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:aok
People in this game realllllly are scared to get into a fight.
Maybe making kills/time a larger factor in score would help. To fly like that usually tends to be a score potato, and that change in scoring would hit them right in the shorts. New players probably wont pay $15 a month to chase pansies around.
Guys gotta go full retard a little more.. I can give lessons on it if needed.
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190 do seem to be grouping more of late. When they get greedy though and try to turn with their target, most are easy kills.
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Yes the Dora's pretty prevalent now and most only seen hovering around fights or popping back into icon range to check the relative energy states. Must save a lot of tedious learning of ACM to comply to a simple flowchart. I don't see the fun in it but winning isn't especially important to my hobby.
Only thing about penalizing the kills / time thing is the off-peak crowd. I bail half the time after chasing radar bars with no joy.
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As I've said for over a year now. The 190D is one of the best planes in the MA because of speed, accel, and roll rate. If you don't feel like actually flying and fighting your way out of trouble, the 190D is perfect for that. It promotes running and ganging because that's the main strengths of the plane.
Eny should be lowered to reduce so much usage. If you look at the overall #s it produces in the MA, you can see that it actually does effect gameplay, and encourages timid flying being that's it's best strength.
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Aggressive pilots should be rewarded. Overall quality of the game would go up.
I totally understand that a 190 or 51's need to be flown with some advatage. It's just sad to see these birds without good deadly guys behind the stick.
I try and fight to gain a advantage or beat someone with a wicked reversal or snapshot. It would be hard for me to watch one guy kill my team mates while I sit at 12k looking down.
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Aggressive pilots should be rewarded. Overall quality of the game would go up.
I totally understand that a 190 or 51's need to be flown with some advatage. It's just sad to see these birds without good deadly guys behind the stick.
I try and fight to gain a advantage or beat someone with a wicked reversal or snapshot. It would be hard for me to watch one guy kill my team mates while I sit at 12k looking down.
And yet... many people get bent out of shape when that 12k 190 comes down to help his buddies.
Just can't keep people happy no matter what you do unless everybody breaks off with their assigned dueling partners to fight fairsies.
Wiley.
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It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know EXACTLY which bish 190 pilot you are speaking of either.
And lazer is an expert at going full retard. He has the helmet and drool guard to prove it. He even announces it on vox before he flips the switch.
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Quality of player is the reason. Long are the days of the sissor masters of old, gone.
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I think you are being a bit JUDGEmental about 190 pilots, I die in my Dora a lot. But then I could care less about my K/D or score. I will say though it is hard to pass up a big hanging target and screaming in and picking them.
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I can understand that....from BOTH POVs. Most want the fight on THEIR terms and the Dora is a plane that can dictate its own terms better than most. I cant fault wanting to stay alive...you are no help if you are on climb out all the time. Seriously though, some of the OTHER players have more to do with Attitudes and Game play styles than a class of aircraft does. Its pretty discouraging for a player who wants to fly as per the strength of his/her plane. You are spammed on 200 or PMed to no end. Want to effect game play, start telling these type to knock it off when they start this crap. We all know who I am talking about as well. Spamming 200 calling players POS, Hos and runners doesnt lend itself to good game play either,IMO I tend to give what I get, and most of the folk I fly with are like minded. Just saying.
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:old: Judge not, lest ye be judged! :old:
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Does the Dora have any kryptonite aeroplane opponents? K-4 is quite fast and climbs / accelerates nicely but I suppose the Fokker can just dive away. LA7? Suppose the Dora has bigger fuel tanks. P-51D? I suppose the Dora out-climbs it?
This is one of those questions where the answer is in the problem, isn't it? If there were any 'better' planes or obviously exploitable holes then said faction would be flying them or something else respectively.
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Does the Dora have any kryptonite aeroplane opponents? K-4 is quite fast and climbs / accelerates nicely but I suppose the Fokker can just dive away. LA7? Suppose the Dora has bigger fuel tanks. P-51D? I suppose the Dora out-climbs it?
This is one of those questions where the answer is in the problem, isn't it? If there were any 'better' planes or obviously exploitable holes then said faction would be flying them or something else respectively.
About the only thing I've seen is another fast plane that starts with E at a higher altitude than it. If the guy's bound and determined to run it can take an extremely long time to run one down. He's usually found friends by the time you get to him.
Wiley.
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So those of you who say we should not judge, are you suggesting we just stay silent? :noid
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I first checked the date of this thread, thinking it was a necrothread from 2006 or so. :rofl
And of course it's all about score, and how adjustments at score would make everybody suddenly play in a "better" way (whatever that may be.
But after all those years of keeping a very close look on the actual scores (analysed over 800K individual scores so far), how players actually fly and realizing again and again that most people don't have an idea how score actually works (not only in theory, but also practically), I am utterly convinced that the huge majority of players don't really care about score. Else it would not be so easy to propel your rank up by several hundred by just doing just one or two additional "special sorties" per tour. Most people just look at their score and shrug.
Yes, many players want to survive, but that's an inherent desire not coupled to score/rank. In fact, most players could rank much higher in fighters by halving their K/D in exchange for like just 50% better k/h.
To me it sounds boring to have a 9kd if your kph is .0000013.
I know this was a kind of exaggeration, but players with stats like that don't really get a good rank at all.
It's easier to stay alive than to get a high K/h, so the latter category has already more impact on the resulting rank than the former.
Also, as stated my someone else before, it also depends a lot on when you fly (easy to spend half an hour in off hours without getting some shots at an enemy), and what your own mission profile is. When you enjoy flying escort for your bomber friends long distance raids, you also get a very low k/h from it.
By the way, monthly tour winners aren't even announced on the HTC webpage anymore. Apart from being able to control CV's, there's absolutely no practical incentive anymore to get a good rank. In fact, I do believe players do care less about score than ever before, because there's no way I would have been overall #1 after 2/3rd of a tour without having a single base capture in bombers and vehicles.
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F4u I think. I was in la7 to that day trading off.
lmao
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I don’t think this has anything to do with plane selection. There has been a lot more feast or famine in the MA. Either you’re getting totally raped by a horde or fighting a horde of teammates for the one red guy who engaged.
More and more players are afraid to break away from the pack. Many totally live by the pick and will only fight if you can trap them into doing so. I see it all the time. I could assign names to red icons just by watching how they function in their pack of friends. Usually, when the numbers even out, those same players disappear to another area where they can continue to use greens to set up their kills.
When I see a 38 in the stratosphere above me as I fight, I can add a tag to it and would be right way more than I should be.
When I see a 51 hovering and pouncing only when I start an engagement, missing wildly, then extending, I pretty much know who that is. (There are 3 that fit this bill off the top of my head)
When I see a Corsair on the edges of the fight waiting to attack only with bait. I can guess who that is too. Especially when said Corsair instantly runs to friendly territory/horde if you single it out.
When a see a 190 that doesn’t even come close to a red icon unless it has 10k and 400mph. Yep. I can judge who that is as well.
I don’t know what it is. As Luche alluded to, I don’t think it has as much to do with score as some would think. If I had to guess, it would be the overall skill set of the players we have. I would argue that the average skill level of current players is MUCH higher than it was 5+ years ago. You have a bunch of stone cold killers running around in the game and, to feel more competitive, they’re reverting to some pretty nooblike tactics to feel competitive. When you mix that in with the lower numbers, I feel like it contributes to the disturbing trend that two teams seem to always beating up on the third.
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So those of you who say we should not judge, are you suggesting we just stay silent? :noid
The comment was, how you say, cheeky :devil
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Stone cold killers or a better description is long term vets with years of experience reading a fight and avoiding guns passes looking for the path of least resistance to get a kill and not get killed.
It's caused me this week to turn off tracers and pull my convergence out to 400. Inside of 400 it's obvious my target is holding a mapped 6 view button waiting for the first tracer flash then they pop their signature evasive move. So I guess it will be more assists but, at least I'm getting something for shooting farther away. And then they are gone or running to 5 friends.
This is part of the reason I'm closing the field spacing from 25miles to 19miles trying to get more players together sooner on my terrains. It's actually easier to aim the 37mm in the IL2 without tracers, who-da figured...
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I dont know, looking at the top 10 fighter guys so far this month you see a number of those pick boi's there. They may not be going for the top over all spot but Im sure they look to keep it up there in fighters. Another angle may be just the "name in lights" with big counts. After all the "Atta-boys" that flood the radio show people are watching for them. Maybe that recognition is what they are after more than enjoying the "fight".
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Shawk was the best at playing the score game. It wouldn't take much to improve your score of you knew how to game the game.
It's easy to tell a players style and overall ability with just three stats. The best guys have a kd of around 5 with a kph of over .031 and a high hit %. That shows a agresive player that mixes it up and come out alive.
Also their some guys that don't care so the numbers can be off. Even those guys will have two of the three numbers well above average.
I do believe the odds of running into a good stock is super high with the current amount of players. Being timid keeps you alive with a pool full of sharks. For me a rather die in a 5 on 1 then fly around for hours. Also some guys have all day to play which allows you to pick their fights.
Rants are rants and it's me being frustrated with some 190 pilots growing a pair. It kills my buzz then I log.
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Most people who fly the 190D are not flying it for score. They are flying it to stay alive. It's not even about K/D. It's about not getting picked and ganged. The planes best advantage keeps it from getting in those situations most of the time. It's a great plane for beginners because you don't need to turn tight to get out of trouble, you don't have to have great SA, you can dive away at 560mph. You can climb away, and you can accelerate away. It also has Cannons which do make a difference. Once a player becomes better at the MA, and undertsands the plane better, they can avoid trouble and be very difficult to catch and kill. Speed is the single greatest advantage. Ammo is the second.
I agree with Lusche on a lot of his points regarding rank. I don't think that many try for rank. You do have to understand the game a little bit to score high. Some players naturally score high in in certain ranks of the game. I personally think it greatly helps to evaluate relativity. It helps to increase your understanding of the mechanics to the game. Trying to achieve a better score will make you better at the game, in mechanical aspects. Some people say they don't help their team. I'd disagree with that. Most people simply don't care. Most vets who have been playing for years don't care. Some score high every month because their style of playing the game relates relatively higher than most players. You will find that without score, you can never measure true mechanics that can help you perform better. I like that it starts over every month.
Going back to the main point. The 190D has great fighter advantages for the MA. Most people should be more aggressive, but the 190D actually doesnt make players fly aggressively, it makes for slower fights because they know if they turn they are dead. It ruins the incentive to want to fight. Too many players in a 190D is like watching paint dry for a reason.
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Rants are rants and it's me being frustrated ...
Just fly something people want to attack. :aok
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I am utterly convinced that the huge majority of players don't really care about score.
I am very happy to hear this. For so long I have feared that I was alone, out in a field, in the rain, and cold.
- oldman
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I think most simply dream of landing 5 kills and getting lots of salutes, because most don't experience that.
Oh, I'll strap on my A5 and fight anybody, and spank most of you. Ain't brag'n if it's true.
Boo
PS Where is Pervert?!
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I’m a German A/C player. Anything with an iron cross I fly it. In my opinion the D9 should be perked 2-7 perks and the k4 should be 5 perk. In the main arena no airplane can’t compete climb and speed wise. Spit14 can’t handle what either plane can throw maneuver wise.
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190A5 is a low key monster. People just don’t know how to fly it. Highest roll rate, decent guns, huge range when backing off RPM and manifold pressure. Good high speed characteristics and views. People just are scared by its “low” air speed
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:rofl yall keep crying. its the constant same folks crying that wouldnt dare fight 1v1 and has to fly in country hordes to even manage a kill. its funny the complaint i get because i dive into a group of 4 red planes and one of them cry because he got hoed trying to even the numbers. if i had to guess in here there is only about 10% in the entire game that will fight 1v1, fx1 being one of them. i spend all day chasing single cons around that run to 2 or 3 of his friends, and when something is said about that the reply i get is whats wrong with that he was flying smart. bunch of cream puffs man. who cares about the score, you want to control a boat i hardly ever see any one in control of a boat drive that thing around till you water logged.
if you knew the full "story" about why someone ran get both sides usually the one crying about a certain 190 running is because there is 2 or 3 of them so like some one replied to me today "hes playing it smart". just like the ones that cry about getting hoed in the face that wont even take off unless there 3 jugs or a 410 with them. but i guess they just flying smart huh?
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I don’t think this has anything to do with plane selection. There has been a lot more feast or famine in the MA. Either you’re getting totally raped by a horde or fighting a horde of teammates for the one red guy who engaged.
More and more players are afraid to break away from the pack. Many totally live by the pick and will only fight if you can trap them into doing so. I see it all the time. I could assign names to red icons just by watching how they function in their pack of friends. Usually, when the numbers even out, those same players disappear to another area where they can continue to use greens to set up their kills.
When I see a 38 in the stratosphere above me as I fight, I can add a tag to it and would be right way more than I should be.
When I see a 51 hovering and pouncing only when I start an engagement, missing wildly, then extending, I pretty much know who that is. (There are 3 that fit this bill off the top of my head)
When I see a Corsair on the edges of the fight waiting to attack only with bait. I can guess who that is too. Especially when said Corsair instantly runs to friendly territory/horde if you single it out.
When a see a 190 that doesn’t even come close to a red icon unless it has 10k and 400mph. Yep. I can judge who that is as well.
I don’t know what it is. As Luche alluded to, I don’t think it has as much to do with score as some would think. If I had to guess, it would be the overall skill set of the players we have. I would argue that the average skill level of current players is MUCH higher than it was 5+ years ago. You have a bunch of stone cold killers running around in the game and, to feel more competitive, they’re reverting to some pretty nooblike tactics to feel competitive. When you mix that in with the lower numbers, I feel like it contributes to the disturbing trend that two teams seem to always beating up on the third.
While my 38G has been gathering rust for a while, I would suggest if you saw a low 38 with a smoking engine shedding parts, it would be easily identifiable too! :) 20+ years of cartoon airplanes and no one has killed me yet!
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:rofl yall keep crying. its the constant same folks crying that wouldnt dare fight 1v1 and has to fly in country hordes to even manage a kill. its funny the complaint i get because i dive into a group of 4 red planes and one of them cry because he got hoed trying to even the numbers. if i had to guess in here there is only about 10% in the entire game that will fight 1v1, fx1 being one of them. i spend all day chasing single cons around that run to 2 or 3 of his friends, and when something is said about that the reply i get is whats wrong with that he was flying smart. bunch of cream puffs man. who cares about the score, you want to control a boat i hardly ever see any one in control of a boat drive that thing around till you water logged.
if you knew the full "story" about why someone ran get both sides usually the one crying about a certain 190 running is because there is 2 or 3 of them so like some one replied to me today "hes playing it smart". just like the ones that cry about getting hoed in the face that wont even take off unless there 3 jugs or a 410 with them. but i guess they just flying smart huh?
You fly a yak3 or a spitfire and you cry when a P47 or a P51 does not go hard and turn with you. They never will, because they can't. But here is the piece of the puzzle you seem to not get, it is not you, it is the plane. You get upset all the time at me, you even challenged and we went to the DA. You chose your preferred ride and you lost. I left after 2 rounds because there was no talking to you, you are full of venom yet you have never taken a 51 and turned with a spit. You are an aggressive, capable fighter but your anger beats you. You would be amazed at how many people could hand you your bellybutton in a same plane duel, That is just not the way the MA works.
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:rofl yall keep crying. its the constant same folks crying that wouldnt dare fight 1v1 and has to fly in country hordes to even manage a kill. its funny the complaint i get because i dive into a group of 4 red planes and one of them cry because he got hoed trying to even the numbers. if i had to guess in here there is only about 10% in the entire game that will fight 1v1, fx1 being one of them. i spend all day chasing single cons around that run to 2 or 3 of his friends, and when something is said about that the reply i get is whats wrong with that he was flying smart. bunch of cream puffs man. who cares about the score, you want to control a boat i hardly ever see any one in control of a boat drive that thing around till you water logged.
if you knew the full "story" about why someone ran get both sides usually the one crying about a certain 190 running is because there is 2 or 3 of them so like some one replied to me today "hes playing it smart". just like the ones that cry about getting hoed in the face that wont even take off unless there 3 jugs or a 410 with them. but i guess they just flying smart huh?
holy sentence structure bruh
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You fly a yak3 or a spitfire and you cry when a P47 or a P51 does not go hard and turn with you. They never will, because they can't. But here is the piece of the puzzle you seem to not get, it is not you, it is the plane. You get upset all the time at me, you even challenged and we went to the DA. You chose your preferred ride and you lost. I left after 2 rounds because there was no talking to you, you are full of venom yet you have never taken a 51 and turned with a spit. You are an aggressive, capable fighter but your anger beats you. You would be amazed at how many people could hand you your bellybutton in a same plane duel, That is just not the way the MA works.
homestly I haven’t seen flippz In something other than a spit or yak like u said. But then again it don’t matter. Ol boy struggles to put a shot on me. :airplane: :bolt:
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I am utterly convinced that the huge majority of players don't really care about score. Else it would not be so easy to propel your rank up by several hundred by just doing just one or two additional "special sorties" per tour.
I often kill people who fly like Steven Seagal runs and sometimes you notice their rank and go: :O
I think the present component-based stats are too detached from reality to be meaningful. That's why manipulating elements of it are possible. More interesting and representative would be combinations of statistics (including factoring the player density). And then don't publish the individual stats. Then you might get an emergent property. Actually if I were HTC I'd hire you part-time. :)
Spit14 can’t handle what either plane can throw maneuver wise.
Only because of the relative modelling.
Just fly something people want to attack. :aok
Yeah fly a Mosquito in a -e starting state and they literally queue up and drop out of engagements to come for you. Bloody hard work to fight in though. Very rewarding up to nearly 3% of the time.
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Shida, the spit14 is simply not used in a way where it is effective.
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Shida, the spit14 is simply not used in a way where it is effective.
Yes and good luck trying with its extremely poor handling and engine characteristics. To think it was once perked :rofl
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Spit14 can’t handle what either plane can throw maneuver wise.
Here is a good article on Spitfire Mk XIV versus the Me 109G/K series at Spitfire Performance.
Spitfire Mk XIV versus Me 109G/K (http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109.html)
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Here is a good article on Spitfire Mk XIV versus the Me 109G/K series at Spitfire Performance.
Spitfire Mk XIV versus Me 109G/K (http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109.html)
What the HELL!!!!!
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Oh and the final insult. Just logged into the MA to give the 14 another whirl and I can't fly it. Planes with ENY lower than 6 are not allowed (Spit14 is 5) but I could up a K-4 no problem (ENY 15), outclimb a Spit14 anyway and for a full ten minutes, enough WEP to forget about it AND comfortably out-manouevre an F6F, a Corsair and a Spit16 while I was about it. :furious :mad: :bhead
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You fly a yak3 or a spitfire and you cry when a P47 or a P51 does not go hard and turn with you. They never will, because they can't. But here is the piece of the puzzle you seem to not get, it is not you, it is the plane. You get upset all the time at me, you even challenged and we went to the DA. You chose your preferred ride and you lost. I left after 2 rounds because there was no talking to you, you are full of venom yet you have never taken a 51 and turned with a spit. You are an aggressive, capable fighter but your anger beats you. You would be amazed at how many people could hand you your bellybutton in a same plane duel, That is just not the way the MA works.
no see you don't get it. there are plenty of planes that are yaks spits las a6ms that refuse to fight until there ack or the numbers improve. I don't get mad because a 51 or a 190 will not fight me. I get mad when I chase one of the sissy planes until I find another plane to tangle with then they swoop back in for the kill. you being one of those people. and to top it off is you are a better pilot than most so why should you have to pack fly like that and pick like (I don't think you are but you seem too).
why do fly a plane you will not fight anything in? what if ever one flew like that? and to answer your question yes I have several times taken a 51 and turned fought in it, not the best but if I fly a plane I will engage anyone in that plane BECAUSE THIS IS A GAME AND YOU DONT REALLY DIE WHEN YOU GET SHOT SOWN AND YOUR SCORE DOES NOT MEAN S@$@ TO ANYONE OUT SIDE THIS GAME AND DOES NOT MEAN S^&^* TO MANY IN THIS GAME.
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homestly I haven’t seen flippz In something other than a spit or yak like u said. But then again it don’t matter. Ol boy struggles to put a shot on me. :airplane: :bolt:
holy autocorrect
again a better pilot boasting
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Back on topic a tremendous amount of Judgemental complaints in the MA this afternoon. From three separate sources.
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Oh and the final insult. Just logged into the MA to give the 14 another whirl and I can't fly it. Planes with ENY lower than 6 are not allowed (Spit14 is 5) but I could up a K-4 no problem (ENY 15), outclimb a Spit14 anyway and for a full ten minutes, enough WEP to forget about it AND comfortably out-manouevre an F6F, a Corsair and a Spit16 while I was about it. :fur3ious :mad: :bhead
I disagree about outmaneuvering a spit16 or f6f, but i certainly have much better success with a k4 than the spit14 even with the worse view and my inability to aim taters effectively. Maybe i need to try the Spit14 more.
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Regarding the score discussion driving aircraft choices, i think it would be cool if they instead had a "score by plane type" instead. It would help recognize folks who find ways of doing well in more difficult plane types. Tongs in his ki61 comes to mind.
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Maybe one day, an A8 can turn with a fully loaded Lancaster ...
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I disagree about outmaneuvering a spit16 or f6f, but i certainly have much better success with a k4 than the spit14 even with the worse view and my inability to aim taters effectively. Maybe i need to try the Spit14 more.
Out-manoeuvre does not mean out-turn in the conventional aerodynamic sense. Especially when you factor in vertical fighting. Not just the ability to run out of airspeed with more potential energy than your opponent, but what happens regarding stability and manoeuvrability in that regime. A K-4 can comfortably rotate its thrust vector faster and in more varied ways than a Spixteen when both have insufficient airspeed to turn conventionally. Don't tell anyone I told you that.
It's increasingly evident that the Spit14 is unfairly or inaccurately modelled in AH presently. I blame the lack of an equivalent to Luftwhiners. Too bad, balance is important in all things then the OP would not have been made about the present scourge of picking Dora pilots. Because they'd be forced to learn more ACM. Such as Debrody, Pervert and a few notable Dora pilots did in better days. They were a sight to behold.
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The Spit16 climbs almost as well as the k4 at MA altitudes and has better roll rates and more docile slow speed handling. While some experts can use the k4s torque effectively i just dont think that its enough to claim that the k4 is more maneuverable overall.
1v1 coE, the only way i see a k4 winning is if it uses its climb to create separation to then come back with an energy advantage.
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The Spit16 climbs almost as well as the k4 at MA altitudes and has better roll rates and more docile slow speed handling. While some experts can use the k4s torque effectively i just dont think that its enough to claim that the k4 is more maneuverable overall.
1v1 coE, the only way i see a k4 winning is if it uses its climb to create separation to then come back with an energy advantage.
Under what bizarre circumstance would the merge be co-e? The K-4 has a significantly higher top speed the kinetic energy of which results in a greater potential energy at the end of a sequence of carefully selected merges. The Spixteen has to force a sustained turn fight which he cannot do against a Fokker who knows his Messerschmidt. :rofl
The Spixteen is not more docile nose-high and slow. It's the other way around.
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By that same logic a D9 is more maneuverable than a spit16 or an a6m.
Sure you can hit the merge fast, blow thru and outclimb the spit and come back with a healthy altitude advantage. Guess my definition of maneuverability is different than yours.
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By that same logic a D9 is more maneuverable than a spit16 or an a6m.
No. You're missing half the logic.
Sure you can hit the merge fast, blow thru and outclimb the spit and come back with a healthy altitude advantage. Guess my definition of maneuverability is different than yours.
It must be. I said nothing about blowing through or sustained climbing.
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Curious Atlau, why you seem to claim the K-4 is not manoeuvrable yet you've got a 57/4 k/d ration in a K-4 this tour alone? How then do you explain this successful, extraordinarily high k/d ratio?
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Yes and good luck trying with its extremely poor handling and engine characteristics. To think it was once perked :rofl
I vividly remember all the discussions back when some of us lobbied for an unperked Spit 14. "Spit 14s will dominate the arena" or "All you ever will see are Spit 14s then" :rofl
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I vividly remember all the discussions back when some of us lobbied for an unperked Spit 14. "Spit 14s will dominate the arena" or "All you ever will see are Spit 14s then" :rofl
Standard. I don't really understand ENY either but why it's 3 times more (restrictive) the a K-4 is simarly perplexing. Was it once modelled differently or something?
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I'd much rather see people in 109Ks than 190Ds. Would make for much better fighting atmosphere.
The spit14 should be flown similar to a P51. Most people just get too aggressive with spits. It's hard not to be. One thing I dislike about the spit14 is that the wings blow off very easily.
The spit16 in my experience is much easier to maneuver in than a 109K. The spit16 is one of only planes that can do a triple Emmilman. I think it has better zoom climb than a K4. Anyone who knows what they are doing will beat 109s pretty quickly in a spit16. The 109s also have a harder view out of the cockpit and aren't as responsive as a spit.
If you look at the overall K/D if the 190D compared to spit16, La7s, and 109s, it's higher because the 190D doesn't get into tangos as much as these planes. It has to be flown more timidly, and therefore creates the perception that there is a lack of fights.
I actually still do prefer the P51D over the 190D. I like to fly more aggressively and force overshoots. With a 190D or temp, you can't easily win 1v1s against better turning planes after a few turns. Running away is the only escape, and thats boring, for me.
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To the original OP. I was never "elite" "great" or even "average" in anything in the game, but I absolutely loved the A5! I loved fighting in it and it was a capable stall fighting A/C with the rudder it boasts. Maybe I should come out of retirement, knock off the rust and mix it up with the A5. Is Boo still around? He was a helluva 190 stick. :cheers:
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Curious Atlau, why you seem to claim the K-4 is not manoeuvrable yet you've got a 57/4 k/d ration in a K-4 this tour alone? How then do you explain this successful, extraordinarily high k/d ratio?
Id say that im an average stick who leverages the strength strength of the k4. But its strength in my opinion is its incredible acceleration and climb rate to dictate a fight, but that its not an incredibly maneuverable aircraft. A spit16 will hand me my butt by an equally skilled player in a neutral 1v1 unless i create enough seperation and generate an energy advantage
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To the original OP. I was never "elite" "great" or even "average" in anything in the game, but I absolutely loved the A5! I loved fighting in it and it was a capable stall fighting A/C with the rudder it boasts. Maybe I should come out of retirement, knock off the rust and mix it up with the A5. Is Boo still around? He was a helluva 190 stick. :cheers:
I saw Boo just the other day. Jump back in ! :airplane:
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Is Boo still around? He was a helluva 190 stick. :cheers:
Saw him the other day. Jump back in :airplane:
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Maybe I should come out of retirement, knock off the rust and mix it up with the A5.
That isn't even a "maybe." Hope to see you soon.
- oldman
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I think it was phat the other day Flynn a A5. Great 190 action.
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With work I travel tooo much! But, once a month or so I strap on the A5 and look for tards, turds and runners. Seems the Yak3 is the most popular these days, though overall still some good fights to be had.
Boo
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Id say that im an average stick who leverages the strength strength of the k4.
57/4 is by no means an average score. Let me ask you a question in the spirit of the OP: would you accept a much lower score and be a way above average stick?
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That's "Phast"
definitely a good 190 stick.
I think it was phat the other day Flynn a A5. Great 190 action.
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Id say that im an average stick who leverages the strength of the k4.
109K 59-5
F4U-1c 30-0
F6F 58-14
Me 262 80-2
P-47D25 60-3
Spit 14 22-3
That is one of the fundamental issues of topics like this on the AH forum: Guys that are basically the definition of 'top pilots' calling themselves 'average'. That's going to skew the discussion and conclusions a lot. Just because there are still some better pilots out there doesn't make you average. Remember, the truly average sticks wont even get a sustained K/D of 1.
And "leveraging the strenght of the K4" (and of other planes) is also exactly what begins to distinguish the top pilot from the average ones.
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I'm not saying this is the case - I have no data. There is of course another way to get such a score. See OP.
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I'm not saying this is the case - I have no data. There is of course another way to get such a score. See OP.
Does that refer to the numbers I posted?