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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mutha on April 16, 2018, 03:07:22 PM
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Does AH have a code of conduct, or policy for dealing with offensive comments or harassment?
As an example, here is Blizzard's:
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Blizzard games offer a fun and safe place to interact with one another across various game worlds. We encourage our players to cooperate and compete in our games, but crossing the line into abuse is never acceptable. If you come across a player violating the policies below, you should report them.
Communication
When participating in communication of any kind (chat, voice communication, group finder), you are responsible for how you express yourself. You may not use language that could be offensive or vulgar to others.
Hate speech and discriminatory language is inappropriate, as is any obscene or disruptive language. Threatening or harassing another player is always unacceptable, regardless of language used. Violating any of these expectations will result in account restrictions. More serious and repeated violations will result in greater restrictions.
Naming
Names are subject to the same rules established above. Any name the player has the ability to customize—such as player names, BattleTags, and guild names—must be appropriate and inoffensive. Any name that violates our standards or disrupts the community will be changed, and additional limitations may be placed on the offending account per our discretion.
Take note that acceptable names are determined by player reports and Blizzard's decision, and role-playing servers may have distinct standards for using game-appropriate names.
Cheating
You are responsible for how you and your account are represented in the game world. Cheating in any fashion will result in immediate action. Using third-party programs to automate any facet of the game, exploiting bugs, or engaging in any activity that grants an unfair advantage is considered cheating.
Exploiting other players is an equally serious offense. Scamming, account sharing, win-trading, and anything else that may degrade the gaming experience for other players will receive harsh penalties.
Behavior
Behavior that intentionally detracts from others' enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzard's decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions.
While we encourage you to report players that are behaving in a disrespectful manner, falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay is also unacceptable and will result in penalties to your account.
If you're unsure if your actions violate this code of conduct, reconsider them. We reserve the right to restrict offending accounts as much as necessary to keep Blizzard games a fun experience for all players.
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I know it may not be important for many players, but it's important for me to know where AH stands about stuff like race baiting, etc. I recognize that AH as a business can invite or restrict whatever behavior they want, and I, as a customer, can accept their policy, or leave.
So I'd like to know what their policy is!
-Mutha
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8- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.
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8- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.
Okay, but what's the policy on dealing with it?
Again, I'm fine with the policy being, "there is no poicy", but I'd want to know that.
-Mutha
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You should be able to find HTC's TOS on the website, the TOS applies for both in game as well as the AH message boards
Hope this helps
TC
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Thanks TC - checked the TOS, and it pertains to billing, privacy, etc. but not about behavior in the game itself. Appreciate the suggestion to have a look there.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/company-info/support-policies/terms-of-service
Mutha
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Honestly you “grown adults” are such babies. Why let something you read online from someone you don’t even know bother you?
Turn the computer off if you can handle it with your virgin eyes and ears. :rolleyes:
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Honestly you “grown adults” are such babies. Why let something you read online from someone you don’t even know bother you?
Turn the computer off if you can handle it with your virgin eyes and ears. :rolleyes:
Is that the policy? Not sure why you need to weigh in if not!
Mutha
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Is that the policy? Not sure why you need to weigh in if not!
Mutha
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Becase when you post something ONLINE on a PUBLIC forum ANYONE can see and reply to it.
Bustr already said, emailing them and they take care of it. Not sure why you care so much.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts Joachim!
So, going back to the original question, can anyone from the company respond?
Thanks!
Mutha
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts Joachim!
So, going back to the original question, can anyone from the company respond?
Thanks!
Mutha
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8- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.
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Honestly you “grown adults” are such babies. Why let something you read online from someone you don’t even know bother you?
Turn the computer off if you can handle it with your virgin eyes and ears. :rolleyes:
People pay money to have fun, not to hear idiots harass them.
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People pay money to have fun, not to hear idiots harass them.
Squelch possibly?
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People pay money to have fun, not to hear idiots harass them.
Seriously, thanks to you guys for wanting to discuss - I appreciate that this is a sensitive issue, but I’m not posting to create a debate. I just want HTC to tell us their policy. That’s all!
Mutha
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As a guideline you could use the forum rules but you're correct, you'd expect that game rules, as enforced by the moderators, are posted for the game somewhere so new players see them and everyone can refer to them.
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As a guideline you could use the forum rules but you're correct, you'd expect that game rules, as enforced by the moderators, are posted for the game somewhere so new players see them and everyone can refer to them.
It seems that there’s a lot of good examples of what could be used.
It’s my opinion that a TOS is valuable. I don’t think this community would object to adhering to the same rules of behavior they respect at work, in public, etc.
I think the moratorium on political debate in CH200 is a great example of people keeping the game fun for all.
Mutha
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There’s always the option of not tuning 200. That can eliminate a lot of trash. Then there’s the squelch option. Always a great option when someone is going on and on about their sore big toe or some other dribble that has nothing to do with game play.
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In game you right click on a players callsign on the roster—-> Simply select squelch. There is one for text and one for range (voice). An offensive player will eventually be muted by one of the moderators, but in the event the mod did not see the remarks you have the squelch option.
If there is something that goes way beyond what you consider acceptable behavior, call the office during their office hours. If you send them a recording they will take appropriate measures. In the menu you can set autorecord to keep a record of every sortie.
:salute
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Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick
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Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick
We have a winner!!
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Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick
A good Rule 1 for most anything.
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These are all viable options to deal with this issue.
I still believe a TOS is important. Here’s why:
- As FLS points out, a TOS informs players what is expected of them, so no one is surprised when a TOS rule is invoked. We respect this in the BBS all the time. But we need to know the rules before we can abide by them.
- It should not be on offended players to have to squelch or debate the “offending” player.
- Debates on harassment should not have to be settled individually. This is not why we’re here. We are here to vulch and get proximity kills.
-Oftentimes, the “offender” doesn’t know they’re being offensive (or as JimmyC eloquently put it, “being a dick”). They feel they are joking, or that it’s okay for them to say blah because blah. They don’t want to be lectured, and CH200 is not the place for culture sensitivity training. Having TOS makes it clear that it’s not acceptable under any context.
-Joachim makes a valid point - the “offended” people can just leave. It’s where we currently are. I don’t want to be part of an experience where people are mocked for their race, gender, orientation, etc. I don’t want to manage it on my own by private DMs or squelching. I wouldn’t tolerate it in a restaurant or in the workplace, against me or anyone else. And if management said it was ok for people to do this, I’d leave. So if HiTech says it’s fine, I’m out the door and you’ll all lose an easy kill.
-I don’t think people will suffer if they can’t discuss certain subjects or use certain phrases in the game. If you want to be able to say anything in CH200 so much so that you’re willing to leave the game, please speak up.
It’s up to the management to set the rules.
Mutha
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Quote Mutha
I wouldn’t tolerate it in a restaurant or in the workplace, against me or anyone else. And if management said it was ok for people to do this, I’d leave. So if HiTech says it’s fine, I’m out the door and you’ll all lose an easy kill.
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Wise words and I`m with you on this..
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I think there are a few here that have totally missed the point of the OP .... he doesn't have a greivence... he believes there should be a set of rules in written form as to the code of conduct expected within the game..... Has a valid point...
It would be helpful...probably wouldn't stop the forum post about moderation but it would go a long way to alleviate some things...
even to point out that 200 is an open channel
that over politically motivated drivel is not allowed
that guns must be holstered whilst in the oclub etc etc
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You're trying to hard.
It's not complicated. If HTC posts a specific set of rules, there will be those who are going to skirt the edge, the very edge, and push it to the limit.
This is an Adult game. Adults can be idiots. There is a squelch feature and a report feature, and HTC will deal with the problem on an individual basis.
Email them with problems, report in game. There does not have to be a legal wall of text defining what is appropriate behavior. This is an impossible goal as some people do not get offended, others will. It is a game of adults, so deal with it on an individual basis only as it pertains to you.
What you think others should or should not do is irrelevant and not your business.
There is no such thing as a code of conduct. Nothing offends me, everything offends someone else. How do you write conduct to address this? You can't.
If YOU are harassed, report it, HTC will deal with it as they deem appropriate. If it's not you, it's not your concern, stay out of it.
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Roc, I disagree that there is not such thing as a code of conduct. We have one here in this forum, and we spend our days in the real world adhering to rules of respect.
I do agree with you that overthinking this can make a TOS unnecessarily complicated, and the game shouldn't lose players because of a legal wall of rules, nor should HiTech's time be spent moderating individual disputes.
But the game shouldn't lose players because of behavior which has nothing to do with the game. I propose we leave race, gender, orientation and politics off CH200. Let's stick to who's a HOing weasel, who's hacked the flight model, and why I always get rubber bullets and can only fly a runstang. You know - the important stuff.
I really do think we can agree to universal ground rules of mutual respect, which are pretty much the same rules you'd have to adhere to in a McDonald's. And by all means let's keep it simple.
-Mutha
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Mutha is right :old:
If you pm me about cheating I could not care less, my score is poo anyway, and cartoon land is not that important.
I have never reported anyone, if it’s bad I will leave and I won’t be putting it on the forums.
Everyone knows who the people are in game,its self evident from their attitude.
People leaving due to abuse is sad, everyone knows what acceptable and what’s not :old:
The only solution to abusive people is facility to permanent squelch option, I would use it on regularly basis, being sent to the leper colony would be a good feature :old:
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Squelch possibly?
A player shouldn't have to use squelch, nor is having squelch a license for those to start harassing others.
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I guess I interpret HTC's TOS differently than others....
HTC's TOS covers everything that the example of Blizzard's TOS (or game rules)....
HTC just uses a broader brush to include any and everything without breaking things down independently.... For those small few of us that use the message boards which is like 10% or less of all players, then the message boards rules also apply for while a person is in-game playing....
I may be wrong, but it looks like the TOS changed a bit in wording to be more broadly...this might possibly have been updated when they added the classifieds sub-forum and added this part to the TOS years ago....
Hope this helps
TC
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Seriously, thanks to you guys for wanting to discuss - I appreciate that this is a sensitive issue, but I’m not posting to create a debate. I just want HTC to tell us their policy. That’s all!
Mutha
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I see your post as a troll, we have been operating online under our same rules long before blizzard was online. Btw we had our 19 anniversary April 12.
And our TOS is show as you try subscribe.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/company-info/support-policies/terms-of-service
I find there list of rules rather silly, they may make you feel good, but in reality the way blizzards rules are listed would create more issues then they would solve in my opinion.
Our rules are really pretty simple be civil and are are unstated just as rules are unstated in normal cultural behavior. Trying to state them in a more precise terminology creates more problems then it would solve.
HiTech
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19 years! Congratulations HiTech and Company!
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I see your post as a troll, we have been operating online under our same rules long before blizzard was online. Btw we had our 19 anniversary April 12.
And our TOS is show as you try subscribe.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/company-info/support-policies/terms-of-service
I find there list of rules rather silly, they may make you feel good, but in reality the way blizzards rules are listed would create more issues then they would solve in my opinion.
Our rules are really pretty simple be civil and are are unstated just as rules are unstated in normal cultural behavior. Trying to state them in a more precise terminology creates more problems then it would solve.
HiTech
Thanks for responding. I think it's bad policy to insult a customer asking about your rules regarding harrassment. Just my opinion.
I understand that you want the rules of civility "unstated." Thanks for going on the record with this.
If you'd like to discuss this privately, I'm happy to - you have my email.
I recognize that I'm here by choice, so I'll leave by choice.
And for the record, my start date was 1998 - AW AOL - my first kill was a Bz spit at the SW bridge near the center lake!
-Mutha
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At the top of all forums there is the forum rules for posting. They cover pretty much everything that hitech wants to cover. I myself , when I was in game, brought those rules to the game also. Always respectful and didn’t cause trouble. These rules contain all you were asking about and more mutha. But this is just my opinion. Everyone have a great day and please be safe.
Shipper.
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In my opinion, people who ask for specific behavioral rules to be published, are looking for an excuse to act like immature bullies by pushing said rules to the breaking point, or saying "well, you don't have a rule saying that I can't do such-and-such, or act like thus-and-so."
There are mechanisms in place to report a player who you think is behaving outside of accepted social standards. There's even the ability to not tune to the cesspool that is Channel 200.
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The only rule i know off don't talk politics and the players i flew with learned me to respectful to all around me :old:
DutchVII
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"There was no sign saying I couldn't bring a baby into the bar."
"There also isn't a sign saying you can't bring hornets into the bar, but most people know you don't do it."
Wiley.
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In before the lock.
:rofl
:D :D :D
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Dancing on the bleeding edge of the flame.
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I had a feeling it was going down this track :rofl
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Seems way to involved for something so simple for most players.
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I don't believe Mutha was trolling. The forum has explicit rules, it's reasonable to wonder why the game does not.
Question was asked and answered, move on.
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I don't believe Mutha was trolling. The forum has explicit rules, it's reasonable to wonder why the game does not.
Question was asked and answered, move on.
I agree, and hate to see Mutha or almost any other player leave, especially since I remember mutha from AOL AW.
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This is clearly a Troll thread.
If you want to stomp your feet and leave, because HTC won't make the game your way. Well then bye.
Coogan
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This is clearly a Troll thread.
If you want to stomp your feet and leave, because HTC won't make the game your way. Well then bye.
Coogan
You misread the thread.
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Rule 1.. Don't be a Dick
now you tell me!!?? :bhead
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You misread the thread.
No. I did not.
Coogan
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now you tell me!!?? :bhead
He's a witch!! Hang him!! :rolleyes:
Coogan
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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It seems that there’s a lot of good examples of what could be used.
It’s my opinion that a TOS is valuable. I don’t think this community would object to adhering to the same rules of behavior they respect at work, in public, etc.
I think the moratorium on political debate in CH200 is a great example of people keeping the game fun for all.
Mutha
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It's not that valuable. People know what good and bad behavior is. A printed policy created "rules" that people then hide behind or demand action be taken because X said or did Y. If this were my company, I would reserve the right to act unilaterally and not be restricted by a printed policy. That's probably why there isn't one. If you have a complaint, send an e-mail and trust HTC. If you are looking to quote policy to others or police the game, that's HTC's job. If you get a warning, heed it. :salute
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So remind me why the forum needs posted rules? :headscratch:
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So remind me why the forum needs posted rules? :headscratch:
IMO it doesn't, but that horse was dust long before I showed up here. HT's made his choices.
Wiley.
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For as long as I can remember, I don't recall ever seeing a BBS, message boards or forums ( community, support, Help , etc...) ever not having posting rules...
Only select forums / message boards similar to Flame Warriors and BBS' like that would be type of BBS that didn't have posting rules
Note: it's been so long ago since I visited Flame warriors that I don't even remember if they had rules or not....i just remember that it was relaxed and people could pretty much post anything they desired
TC
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The best way to avoid the drama is to de tune 200
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The best way to avoid the drama is to de tune 200
That certainly is a good way to avoid the drama.
I leave 200 turned on for the cross-country communication. I have faith that when things get too bad that a Mod will take care of it.
Unlike some folks though, I don't have any youngsters watching me as I play, so I don't let too many things bug me.
Coogan
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It's not that valuable. People know what good and bad behavior is. A printed policy created "rules" that people then hide behind or demand action be taken because X said or did Y. If this were my company, I would reserve the right to act unilaterally and not be restricted by a printed policy. That's probably why there isn't one. If you have a complaint, send an e-mail and trust HTC. If you are looking to quote policy to others or police the game, that's HTC's job. If you get a warning, heed it. :salute
This is the problem. A lot of players dont "Trust to HTC". I know most of them are the big mouth whiner types but you see all kinds of statements.... I sent in a film about so and so and never heard anything back..... I reported so and so and nothing ever happened and so on and so on. Many people dont trust that any action has been taken and so dont bother reporting issues and instead, get fed up and leave.
A recent thread about bigotry points this out again. Holding aside that there may have or may not have been an incident the point is,
1. no one knows if there was a real incident or is someone just blowing smoke to get someone else in trouble.
2. if it was reported and how
3.what really happened (Skuzzy has posted bits of the logs to show "what" happen for real)
4 what action if any was taken against which party for which rule violations.
If players dont see that HTC cares about a "safe and fun" play arena many are going to just get fed up and leave. Sure the "go to here is "Grow a set!", but should that be a necessary thing to enjoy a game? Over the years I know I have logged a few times due to harassment, sometimes its just not worth it compared to the fun your having. But should others have that power to push others to do that? They do have it because nobody really knows where the "line" is because the lack of rules.
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This is the problem. A lot of players dont "Trust to HTC". I know most of them are the big mouth whiner types but you see all kinds of statements.... I sent in a film about so and so and never heard anything back..... I reported so and so and nothing ever happened and so on and so on. Many people dont trust that any action has been taken and so dont bother reporting issues and instead, get fed up and leave.
A recent thread about bigotry points this out again. Holding aside that there may have or may not have been an incident the point is,
1. no one knows if there was a real incident or is someone just blowing smoke to get someone else in trouble.
2. if it was reported and how
3.what really happened (Skuzzy has posted bits of the logs to show "what" happen for real)
4 what action if any was taken against which party for which rule violations.
If players dont see that HTC cares about a "safe and fun" play arena many are going to just get fed up and leave. Sure the "go to here is "Grow a set!", but should that be a necessary thing to enjoy a game? Over the years I know I have logged a few times due to harassment, sometimes its just not worth it compared to the fun your having. But should others have that power to push others to do that? They do have it because nobody really knows where the "line" is because the lack of rules.
The so called bigotry complaint should never have been brought to the BBS.
Just as it's wrong to falsely mass report someone in the game, it should be the same here. Everyone jumped right on banned wagon and took sides, without having any facts.
Shameful.
Coogan
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There is no law requiring HTC to post a written code of conduct for the game play space. The forum rules give Skuzzy and Hitech and MODS a quick way to deal with problems which often are started on purpose to be a problem and disruption to the BBS. I suspect what the social justice woke members of this discussion want is something in writing like the following:
3. Do not harass, bully, threaten, harm or cause discomfort for other persons, including any other members. For example:
Use of hate speech or racial, ethnic, sexist, homophobic or religious slurs;
Harassment of a specific person (repeated flaming, personal attacks or posting their private information);
Trolling or baiting the community in general with inflammatory statements, such as ones designed to elicit a negative response from the community; or
Posting or otherwise disclosing any personal or private information of another person, or any confidential information pertaining to a business, without consent.
This is a written suicide pact for Hitech and his company when he has already met the standards of social conduct by stating you privately contact HTC about the above kinds of problems after you use the report function in the game to report the bad actor. This gives Skuzzy a starting point for his private research to see what happened based on the logs and saved text chat from every evening.
Something like I posted can be construed as an implied contract to hold HTC hostage legally over every minute perceived violation of the words of that rule. Once you post something like that you are stuck spending all of your time making sure it is enforced to the minutia of the letter to avoid woke social justice cranks with nothing else in their lives but to be offended by everyone else breathing on the same continent.
The HTC policy of report a bad actor then contact HTC in person is all that is required becasue HTC is waiting in good faith to carry out their side of the issue once contacted. It also forces the offended party to make the effort to be involved and not just being an easily offended crank themselves. Otherwise the offended party by not being personally responsible for kicking this off is now having HTC judge a paying customer as guilty until that customer proves their own innocence. Having a written code of conduct becomes a suicide pact becasue it allows a crank to use the letter of the policy to never be satisfied with HTC's efforts until they get whatever it is they really want. Often it's revenge for being offended and HTC will suffice as the sacrifice if the party they perceived to offend them cannot be punished.
In the end, if it is of real world importance that the offense of another party be addressed by HTC, you will real world contact HTC and work with them as they need to help address your issue.
If Hitech does not choose to post a written rules of conduct for his game that's his business decision but, no law is being violated by it. He does have in place a robust system to report bad actors and will always be responsive to personal contact about said bad actors. It's still ultimately his decision if the situation requires intervention. I've watched the ch200 crowd go to some worse places than what happened recently over 16 years, and everyone walked away with both eyes and all four limbs intact.
It is very sad that we have lost a good player from our community. Now it sounds like people are still wanting some kind of a retribution or what happens after every shooting incident in real life.
"There has got to be a Law to stop anyone else from doing this!!"
Or at the least a line for the just and unjust so the just can demand a blood-tax for infractions of the law. Sort of a social justice woke kinda 21st century thing......
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Everyone jumped right on banned wagon and took sides, without having any facts.
Shameful.
Coogan
It's the world we live in now. The court of public opinion don't need no stinking facts.
As to the OP on this thread, I have my take on what he was saying, it may have been wrong. In any case, excrement occurs.
Wiley.
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So remind me why the forum needs posted rules? :headscratch:
because the forum is open to anyone. the Game is a closed community of paying customers? :salute
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This is the problem. A lot of players dont "Trust to HTC". I know most of them are the big mouth whiner types but you see all kinds of statements.... I sent in a film about so and so and never heard anything back..... I reported so and so and nothing ever happened and so on and so on. Many people dont trust that any action has been taken and so dont bother reporting issues and instead, get fed up and leave.
A recent thread about bigotry points this out again. Holding aside that there may have or may not have been an incident the point is,
1. no one knows if there was a real incident or is someone just blowing smoke to get someone else in trouble.
2. if it was reported and how
3.what really happened (Skuzzy has posted bits of the logs to show "what" happen for real)
4 what action if any was taken against which party for which rule violations.
If players dont see that HTC cares about a "safe and fun" play arena many are going to just get fed up and leave. Sure the "go to here is "Grow a set!", but should that be a necessary thing to enjoy a game? Over the years I know I have logged a few times due to harassment, sometimes its just not worth it compared to the fun your having. But should others have that power to push others to do that? They do have it because nobody really knows where the "line" is because the lack of rules.
I would agree a certain amount of proof of enforcement is needed so the deterrent affect works
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As a person who's been muted by mods, I have to say the no rules thing doesn't bother me. This is a private game operated by a private person. They give CM to people who hold a similar outlook as themselves and they take action as necessary. It's their house they can do what they want.
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because the forum is open to anyone. the Game is a closed community of paying customers? :salute
Bingo! Although the game and forum are both free to play now.
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Bingo! Although the game and forum are both free to play now.
And this is why this culture is declining... but oh well... we (USA) havel ong been
going down the tubes :salute
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And this is why this culture is declining... but oh well... we (USA) havel ong been
going down the tubes :salute
Humbug.
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And this is why this culture is declining... but oh well... we (USA) havel ong been
going down the tubes :salute
Parents need to parent. If someone needs a specific set of rules published in order to act civil towards others, their parents failed miserably.
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Parents need to parent. If someone needs a specific set of rules published in order to act civil towards others, their parents failed miserably.
In a lot of cases kids aren't parented, they're housed. :old:
My personal philosophy on online games is they should have the basic "No hate speech, no illegal crap" blahblah, a clause about "we reserve the right to mute you because we bloody well feel like it", and beyond that, give the players the tools to control what they see/don't see as they see fit. Coding a robust chat interface takes up a HELL of a lot less time than policing player behavior.
But then some people wouldn't get the joy of reporting someone to an authority figure and then seeing them dealt with, apparently.
Wiley.
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In a lot of cases kids aren't parented, they're housed. :old:
My personal philosophy on online games is they should have the basic "No hate speech, no illegal crap" blahblah, a clause about "we reserve the right to mute you because we bloody well feel like it", and beyond that, give the players the tools to control what they see/don't see as they see fit. Coding a robust chat interface takes up a HELL of a lot less time than policing player behavior.
But then some people wouldn't get the joy of reporting someone to an authority figure and then seeing them dealt with, apparently.
Wiley.
I agree that there doesnt need to be a 12 page legal document but I think the enforcement end of the deal is where its lacking. If players see that poor behavior gets them muted /punished it can be a determent to others crossing the line as well. With so many people seeming to "get away" with things it just adds to the confusion and chaos
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I agree that there doesnt need to be a 12 page legal document but I think the enforcement end of the deal is where its lacking. If players see that poor behavior gets them muted /punished it can be a determent to others crossing the line as well. With so many people seeming to "get away" with things it just adds to the confusion and chaos
But if you could just squelch the guy's nonsense, what's it matter what he is on about?
Wiley.
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But if you could just squelch the guy's nonsense, what's it matter what he is on about?
Wiley.
Not everyone knows about the squelch, many have posted there are not enough slots for the guys they want/need to squelch (a big red flagg there that there may be a bigger issue going on in the arenas than believed)
If people are not punished/informed that they are of of order how will they learn? I know its not our place to teach them and its there parents, but in a lot of cases their parents dont play the game.
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Not everyone knows about the squelch, many have posted there are not enough slots for the guys they want/need to squelch (a big red flagg there that there may be a bigger issue going on in the arenas than believed)
Which is why I said a more robust chat interface could solve the issue, not "what we have now allows it".
If people are not punished/informed that they are of of order how will they learn? I know its not our place to teach them and its there parents, but in a lot of cases their parents dont play the game.
It's not just the arenas, it's the internet at large. If you want to see a good example of it, take a look at Youtube comments.
Good luck getting people to conform to your definition of "behaving" on the internet.
Now, you can endeavour to police your arena, or alternately, you could give your users the ability to control what they see. I know what makes more sense to me.
Wiley.
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There is no law requiring HTC to post a written code of conduct for the game play space.
Not accurate at all, as there are laws in both the United States and in other countries that require a section of the Terms of Service that outline permissible player behavior. Studio I work for had to redo our TOS for our online games when we were sued by players under their state's consumer laws.
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I would agree a certain amount of proof of enforcement is needed so the deterrent affect works
It is very rare for online game studios to disclose any disciplinary actions taken against another player, as it can be in violation of various consumer protection laws governing the release of "private" information. Companies might disclose the numbers of people banned or suspended but they will never get into the private details such as naming the players that were banned/suspended or the fact that any disciplinary action was taken in the first place.
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And this is why this culture is declining... but oh well... we (USA) havel ong been
going down the tubes :salute
yeah? And whose generations fault is that? Sure isn’t millennial :aok
Your generation raised the millennials. Your generation created this.
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I would agree a certain amount of proof of enforcement is needed so the deterrent affect works
I'll give you proof. I have had my chat priviledges suspended for political talk both here and in the game. i believe you have been suspended too if I recall correctly :).
semp
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Maybe there should be a system message, like for landed kills, that would announce when a player is muted or ejected from an arena.
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In a lot of cases kids aren't parented, they're housed.
Again, parental failure. No one to blame, other than the ones popping out kids with no clue, desire, or skill to raise them to respect others.
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Not accurate at all, as there are laws in both the United States and in other countries that require a section of the Terms of Service that outline permissible player behavior. Studio I work for had to redo our TOS for our online games when we were sued by players under their state's consumer laws.
I would be interested in seeing a cite to such a statute, if you have one readily available.
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Maybe there should be a system message, like for landed kills, that would announce when a player is muted or ejected from an arena.
why so the guy can be harassed himself. best thing is let hitech handle it. it's between him and the guy being reported.
semp
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why so the guy can be harassed himself. best thing is let hitech handle it. it's between him and the guy being reported.
semp
OMG...can you imagine the number of people getting banned just to see their name in lights!
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Which is why I said a more robust chat interface could solve the issue, not "what we have now allows it".
It's not just the arenas, it's the internet at large. If you want to see a good example of it, take a look at Youtube comments.
Good luck getting people to conform to your definition of "behaving" on the internet.
Now, you can endeavour to police your arena, or alternately, you could give your users the ability to control what they see. I know what makes more sense to me.
Wiley.
The internet is Public, HTC is private, big difference. HTC rules in this little world. What ever they require is what you MUST agree to to be able to play.
Maybe there should be a system message, like for landed kills, that would announce when a player is muted or ejected from an arena.
No, there is no need of that. If the player who got the punishment comes back a squeals about the punishment then he is fair game..... much like here on the boards. If players see some bad behavior suddenly stop it wouldn't be hard to figure out the offending party got nailed.
I think if the "punishments" were handed out as often as the crimes are committed in stead only now and then I think it could go a long way in reigning in some of the garbage.
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The internet is Public, HTC is private, big difference.
Not really. The vast majority of websites people are on are run by private companies. But it's a moot point, HT made his decision. I just happen to disagree with it.
Wiley.
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IN again !
Before the lock !!!!!
:rofl :D :D :D
:banana: :banana: :banana:
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This poor dead horse is getting beaten intensely. :bolt:
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This poor dead horse is getting beaten intensely. :bolt:
Agreed.
HiTech