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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DubiousKB on September 25, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
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Just curious for myself when I create "Pickup Missions"....
What are the top three reasons you do NOT join a posted pickup mission?
Example:
A- I'm already in flight
B- Mission is too long
C- I don't like the mission type/aircraft selection
D- Wait, there's a mission?!
E- Mission isn't to capture a base
F- KB is a jerk-face that smells funny when I formation fly with him... :devil
Please keep your answers to simple bullet points, and my ego is fragile so if it's all F, then u guys can go suck lemons... :devil
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:aok For me, its usually because I am already busy. Busy in FLIGHT...if in Wirb, and its slow, I will ditch out and join a mission. Only other is I dont care for LONG Bomber Missions,as usually I will notice alot of action pick up somewhere...and its the more what I like doing action. Hate being tied down that long...REFUSE to quit on a mission...so I just dont sign up for those. :cheers:
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I would normally say "A"..... but I really like "F" as a choice. I pick "F". :D
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Well, "F" mostly, that is why LilMak sent the case of "Old Spice" to you. :devil
I like jumping in your missions and try to when ever you post one. There are a few things you might do different to help with the success rate of your missions, but on the whole you do a good job, thats why I dont mind jumping in.
For me not to join one is only because I'm in the middle of something else either in the game or at home (afk for bits of time doing stuff around the house).
I think one of the biggest issues with the missions is lack of success. This discourages players from "investing the time" in one. I think a lot of players just figure ganging a base with "everyone else" is a better way to succeed.
Todays players are more about the "kill" than "playing the game" in my opinion. Thats why you'll come in at 15k with your buffs after a well planned out route and find a certain squad hovering around in tempest and F4-U4s to pick as the mission comes in. They are looking to add to their kill totals not a fight to defend the base. You can tell that because as soon as you get one in a bit of trouble "dive out and RTB" is there plan every time.
Missions use to be part of the game because most players were playing at being a WWII pilot and living the "Glory days" if you can call WWII the glory days. We were all pretending to be William Holden, Alec Guinness, James Garner, Matthew Modine, Michael Caine and all those other great movie heros. Todays players not so much.
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Most seem poorly organized and poorly led.
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Most seem poorly organized and poorly led.
I concede the poorly led comment, but can you elaborate on the poorly organized?
I typically try and get somewhere between an FSO/scenario as far as planning - usually they consist of "hey let's all go do this together".
… thx shuffler. :banana:
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Busy doing something else otherwise doesn't matter how craptastic I'll give it a shot
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but can you elaborate on the poorly organized?
Easily. Usually a low time player, he'll have bombers with 100% fuel when target is a couple sectors away. It's a group grope, no brief just "ok lets go get em" then no leadership. No target assignment, etc. IMO a total waste of time.
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What are the top three reasons you do NOT join a posted pickup mission?
* I'm anti-social and don't really enjoy cooperative ventures.
* I hate base taking. The goal is much different from dogfighting, and I get no thrill if my team captures a base.
* I don't enjoy traveling in a group. Usually that leads to ganging the first hapless opponent the group encounters.
All that said, I think there is a large group of players - probably the majority - who really enjoy team efforts. I DO enjoy opposing missions, so it all works out for the best.
- oldman
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Infrequency of mission posting kind of sets them as an after thought.
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* I'm anti-social and don't really enjoy cooperative ventures.
* I hate base taking. The goal is much different from dogfighting, and I get no thrill if my team captures a base.
* I don't enjoy traveling in a group. Usually that leads to ganging the first hapless opponent the group encounters.
All that said, I think there is a large group of players - probably the majority - who really enjoy team efforts. I DO enjoy opposing missions, so it all works out for the best.
- oldman
I agree on all points. :cheers:
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G - ridiculously low NOE height of 65ft. Tired of sneezing or farting and lawndart/splash my ride
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G - ridiculously low NOE height of 65ft. Tired of sneezing or farting and lawndart/splash my ride
Have you tried sneezing and farting at the same time? Equal and opposite forces should cancel each other out
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Mostly F.
But other than that A or B. Sometime i have limited time or am really enjoying what i already am doing.
Sometimes i feel the need to join though and its a nice change of pace! I dislike seeing it as a extincted event... :(
DutchVII
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G: I don't understand the language. Although I can type and even speak English in a somewhat understandable manner, getting and understanding the orders from the cacophony of eager fellow missionaries is next to impossible.
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Have you tried sneezing and farting at the same time? Equal and opposite forces should cancel each other out
They cancel the motion of the center of mass. However, a sneeze and a fart apply torques on your body that act in the same direction and add up! If you sneeze and fart simultaneously you run the rist of flipping yourself around your center of mass and landing on your head. :eek:
Dont try this at home kids :old:
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Reasons for not joining a mission:
1. No flavor - B17s with 110s and La7 escorts. What is that?!
I dont want maximum efficiency, give me flavor instead: SBDs with F4F escorts, BoB theme Spit1s Hurri1s Emils escorting 111s, Attack of the twins 38s/110s/mossies, a bunch of B-25 strafers, etc.
2. I fly with my squadron already - we do our thing, but LDs often used to support ET37 (aka earl) missions from outside. These days I rarely fly in the MA when no other LDs are online.
3. Too long a wait - I have precious little time to play and I will not waste it in the tower waiting for more people to join. Of course, if missions were the norm, wait times would be shorter.
4. Leader is an idiot - some people I do not want to follow.
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Reasons for not joining a mission:
1. No flavor - B17s with 110s and La7 escorts. What is that?!
I dont want maximum efficiency, give me flavor instead: SBDs with F4F escorts, BoB theme Spit1s Hurri1s Emils escorting 111s, Attack of the twins 38s/110s/mossies, a bunch of B-25 strafers, etc.
Good point, I'll mix it up a bit here and there (like a classic CV mission?) - Keep in mind I'm currently Rooks and I've not done a B17 + 110/La7 mission... I agree that our numbers don't support THAT silly of a mission. . . Usually I try and keep them simple and themed inside the 56th FG (Heavy 51D's or P47's, straight up medium b17 and P51D bomber run, that sort of thing)
2. I fly with my squadron already - we do our thing, but LDs often used to support ET37 (aka earl) missions from outside. These days I rarely fly in the MA when no other LDs are online.
I LOVED his missions!
3. Too long a wait - I have precious little time to play and I will not waste it in the tower waiting for more people to join. Of course, if missions were the norm, wait times would be shorter.
yeah, I get that. No fun riding bikes without friends. . .
4. Leader is an idiot - some people I do not want to follow.
I know that I'm a dink sometimes on 200, but ouch. :devil Seriously though, I hope I'm not excluding pilots because of my behaviour...
All good responses so far, I am seeing a bit of a theme of time as an issue; people jump in game and want to be IN the game not in a queue. I get that. Oh and apparently I'm a stinky Jug pilot. :rofl I forget to wash my undercarriage sometimes... :bolt:
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KB,
You do good missions. They've seemed doable when I've joined. I'll join again.
To answer your question, if I'm inflight and not landing soon, I won't join. If I tower sooner than I thought, or rtb is more attractive than getting ganged, I'm in.
If there's a fun furball going on, will I leave it for a mission? That's a reputation/trust thing that comes with time. Because I like your missions, it's a definite maybe, not a no.
I joined ET's and Artlaw's missions because they were well-planned and usually productive. There's a chance any mission will be busted by the enemy. So, build them and they will come.
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Thanks gooss,
I'm finding that timing seems to be really key, catching players in-between their sorties, or better yet just after a base take/loss where players are dazed and confused as to what to do next.
I'll keep posting and tweaking to get the most out of Pickup Missions; but knowing what players are looking for and what KEEPS them from joining is what I'm trying to dig up.
ET37 missions were amazing and always fun, I'm going for shorter to medium missions as it keeps everyone engaged and not leaving their computer on wingman auto-pilot to do laundry, feed the animals, etc.
I've been trying to work on the timing such that lead-up time to a pickup mission allows players to either finish their current flight, get shot down, and/or jump into manned guns for some action before the mission launches.
:salute
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… thx shuffler. :banana:
What are friends for..... :aok
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What are the top three reasons you do NOT join a posted pickup mission?
G- They never paid me enough :old:
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When I wanted a mission, I had a few friends or a squad of like minded thinkers to whom I would present the idea.
Every time we posted a mission, we had people waiting.
Most every time we simply agreed through PM and voice chat, the mission succeeded.
That's really the only reason I didn't participate in "posted missions".
Now the epic monster bomber missions, I did participate.
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usually for me I am half way across the map and they give like a 3 min launch warning.
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I wonder what people want in a mission.
Do they want the best rides, rides that compliment each other, do they want to see waypoints, do they like CAS, Tac Bomb, Fighter sweeps, CV hunting, port killing etc...
I prefer missions where the crates are birds of a feather. if you are gonna have Japanese AC then they all need to be Japanese AC, same goes for all plane sets.
I also prefer layered missions.
missions that have brother missions targeting the same sector in the AOR.
A mission running a fighter sweep to and around the target and maintaining air superiority over target and throughout the ingress and egress routes
A mission bombing the field, port or base
A GV mission if possible to smash the town and keep the AAA at bay
and finally troop mission that is covered by the fighter sweep mission.
all of the missions would come from different bases.
that to me is an ideal mission and if done properly would engage every member of the mission and the opposing force.
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I wonder what people want in a mission.
Do they want the best rides, rides that compliment each other, do they want to see waypoints, do they like CAS, Tac Bomb, Fighter sweeps, CV hunting, port killing etc...
I prefer missions where the crates are birds of a feather. if you are gonna have Japanese AC then they all need to be Japanese AC, same goes for all plane sets.
I also prefer layered missions.
missions that have brother missions targeting the same sector in the AOR.
A mission running a fighter sweep to and around the target and maintaining air superiority over target and throughout the ingress and egress routes
A mission bombing the field, port or base
A GV mission if possible to smash the town and keep the AAA at bay
and finally troop mission that is covered by the fighter sweep mission.
all of the missions would come from different bases.
that to me is an ideal mission and if done properly would engage every member of the mission and the opposing force.
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I don't disagree with your points, it's just hard enough to get people into ANY kind of mission let alone 2-4 concurrently running staggered missions.
Seems like flippz said, timing is everything. Nobody wants to "waste time" in game, and to bail out to join other players seems to be almost taboo. :uhoh
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I don't disagree with your points, it's just hard enough to get people into ANY kind of mission let alone 2-4 concurrently running staggered missions.
Seems like flippz said, timing is everything. Nobody wants to "waste time" in game, and to bail out to join other players seems to be almost taboo. :uhoh
I agree, perhaps calling a mission 30 minutes in advance would help with the "already in a fight" types.
I don't mind sitting and plotting waypoints and what not for missions. it can be fun at times.
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FBBob is pretty good at organizing missions. He seems to think of every detail. He organized a gv mission with M-18's and M-3's awhile back.
We drove our gv's for about 25 minutes. We had a couple rest spots along the way to make sure everyone caught up.
We took a V base that was not connected by any gv spawns and was next to their strats. It worked pretty good.
The base was completely down (all guns, vh, fighter hangar) before they could put out an alert. This was before we had gv dar. The mission was a complete surprise to the Bishops who are usually the best at base defending in AH.
There is another guy that is really good at missions, but I'm am scratching my head......I just cannot remember
his call sign at the moment. Allot of these guys are on more in the winter time. I think work
is probably the biggest factor.
:salute
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FBBob is pretty good at organizing missions. He seems to think of every detail. He organized a gv mission with M-18's and M-3's awhile back.
We drove our gv's for about 25 minutes. We had a couple rest spots along the way to make sure everyone caught up.
We took a V base that was not connected by any gv spawns and was next to their strats. It worked pretty good.
The base was completely down (all guns, vh, fighter hangar) before they could put out an alert. This was before we had gv dar. The mission was a complete surprise to the Bishops who are usually the best at base defending in AH.
There is another guy that is really good at missions, but I'm am scratching my head......I just cannot remember
his call sign at the moment. Allot of these guys are on more in the winter time. I think work
is probably the biggest factor.
:salute
Yeah Bob... I saw him in the pool.
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The problem with posting mission is that every player on your country can see them.
That's why so many missions are busted.
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The problem with posting mission is that every player on your country can see them.
That's why so many missions are busted.
This is why missions shouldn’t be a secret in the first place.
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Most seem poorly organized and poorly led.
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I wish pickup missions were still done frequently and with the same enthusiasm we used to have for them. Do you guys want to see a really funny mission? Just click the link below but keep in mind that although the clip perfectly illustrates the average pileup mission that has become common, it was completely out of character for the mission poster shown who simply forgot to compensate for the forward blindspot found on all tail draggers as well as the complete and utter short-sightedness of the Aces High combat engineers.
https://youtu.be/96LcXSQC_mk
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I wish pickup missions were still done frequently and with the same enthusiasm we used to have for them. Do you guys want to see a really funny mission? Just click the link below but keep in mind that although the clip perfectly illustrates the average pileup mission that has become common, it was completely out of character for the mission poster shown who simply forgot to compensate for the forward blindspot found on all tail draggers as well as the complete and utter short-sightedness of the Aces High combat engineers.
https://youtu.be/96LcXSQC_mk
LOL see, EVEN horrible failures can equal entertainment!.... I haven't done that yet, but I have tried to force realism by hanger launching... :devil
…. Couple notches of flaps, my *bum*… :rofl
I'll treat it like field off dreams, if I post it, they will come.... Keep any comments/tips coming guys, all helpful!
Bish/Knights, do you have anyone still that runs pickup missions? Give me the good, the bad, and the ugly!
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Keep them simple, USE NOE sparingly.
Do not change everybody's plane to a F4U-1C or any other Perk ride at the last moment because it will cost you some regular joiners in the long run. Trust me, I learned that one that hard way. Don't get me wrong, it was a really fun mission but it still cost me some regular joiners who were upset over my little 3 card monte trick.
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And do fun crazy missions too just for the heck of it, with no particular objective other than to have fun and confuse the enemy. Once BWDelta posted a huge (& ordinanceless) D3A1 mission that was a ton of fun because we got about 30 joiners. The defenders upped the usual spitfires, La7s and Brewskies to defend but none of those planes can out turn a D3A1. Fixed Gear & Obsolescence be damned, we had a great time and we kicked butt until they whittled us down and we were unable to run home. Video Below
https://youtu.be/9eBpC3JMcGo
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Just curious for myself when I create "Pickup Missions"....
What are the top three reasons you do NOT join a posted pickup mission?
Example:
A- I'm already in flight
B- Mission is too long
C- I don't like the mission type/aircraft selection
D- Wait, there's a mission?!
E- Mission isn't to capture a base
F- KB is a jerk-face that smells funny when I formation fly with him... :devil
Please keep your answers to simple bullet points, and my ego is fragile so if it's all F, then u guys can go suck lemons... :devil
A- I'm already in flight
I love missions. If I pass on a mission it's usually A. If you don't include my favorite airplane, P-38, I will often not join formally and just take my Lightning on the mission anyway. I have had one or two occasions where a mission leader asked me not to take a plane that wasn't listed, and I respect that.
More missions! :banana:
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That's a great point also. Especially if you're new to the mission poster role.
Give everyone a heads up 15 or 20 minutes before you even post it.
You can also set up a mission rally point at some random base far away from the front line so you can discuss your plans on range channel.
You can also find an empty channel to use as your mission channel because the mission joiners always have questions and many will wish to give you some input.
A lot of players like myself prefer to pick their own plane and find it extremely helpful to know where the target is and what you plan to do when you get there. These guys can be very helpful if you have them go take out the radar or kill the VH's at bases that spawn to your target base before your mission enters the ring. I personally like to launch early to get as much alt as possible and I prefer to know where the mission is going so I can do it in a different sector so I don't give warning about the mission to the country being attacked.
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Just curious for myself when I create "Pickup Missions"....
What are the top three reasons you do NOT join a posted pickup mission?
Example:
A- I'm already in flight
B- Mission is too long
C- I don't like the mission type/aircraft selection
D- Wait, there's a mission?!
E- Mission isn't to capture a base
A,B, & C, in that same order.