General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1Cane on June 17, 2019, 10:22:20 AM
Title: Enough is enough
Post by: 1Cane on June 17, 2019, 10:22:20 AM
When a country's percentage goes below 50% and armistice is declared and war is over.
When I signed on this morning the Bish owned less than 50%. I feel by forcing the country's to respect that 50% rule would increase their effort to win rather than force the stalemate that happens when they fight only one country. :furious
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: atlau on June 17, 2019, 10:42:43 AM
But eventually they will gave to fight eachother.. it's just a matter of time.
I've wondered if the best strategy is for the ganged upon country to only resist one front. Then the side that has to fight them is facing closer to 1:1 numbers against lower ENY planes and then might decide to start an attack on the other country instead...
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 17, 2019, 10:59:22 AM
the problem is that due to human nature in the game the groups doing the attack want to stay in their horde and continue the easy captures. Most know that once they switch to the other front/team they will have to fight for the captures.
Getting players to move to the front is also a waste of time. How many times has your team gotten 25% or more of one team and you can call until your blue in the face and they still push the same front. HTC is going to have to make adjustment to force the teams to move to the second front.
I'd like to see it so after you took a couple bases from one team you must take at least one from the other team. Until they do all bases on the first front become uncapturable .Not only does it slow the rolling of bases against one team, it also moves the action back and forth making it so no team has no action for long
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: TWCAxew on June 17, 2019, 11:09:53 AM
Me and my friends always fight the side where there is some form of opposition. If there is a front where there is nothing to do and sight see after a few sorties we feel like we have no option of joining the 5 man horde (EU timezone). I think this counts for alot of players. Ganging 1 country is only useful for base takers, not so much for action guys.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: waystin2 on June 17, 2019, 01:04:59 PM
Pigs having been jumping to Bishop every now and then for a little of that action. We will jump whichever country has the most players or fields. See you up there red guys... :airplane:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Traveler on June 17, 2019, 03:50:59 PM
I'd like to see it so after you took a couple bases from one team you must take at least one from the other team. Until they do all bases on the first front become uncapturable .Not only does it slow the rolling of bases against one team, it also moves the action back and forth making it so no team has no action for long
How does that help a country that is 10 bases behind the lead country but ahead of the trailing country in base count? With your rule the country trying to move ahead in base count from the leader would have to stop and attack and capture a base from the training country. Any time a country spends time attacking the trailing country is just helping the lead win the war.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: CAV on June 17, 2019, 05:53:04 PM
HiTec needs to code it into the sim so you can't have two captures against the same country in a row..........
That and some form of attrition Warfare.... a unlimited amount of planes per base is so "1980s"
Cav
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 17, 2019, 06:20:20 PM
all countries have and will attack one or the other below 50%. why? not sure, maybe they're having fun?
it's like saying well it's not cool to vulch but everybody does it. and if you say you don't, well you are a liar:).
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: save on June 17, 2019, 07:04:10 PM
Front-based ENY would probably fix a part of this problem.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Vraciu on June 17, 2019, 07:11:51 PM
Front-based ENY would probably fix a part of this problem.
Well then you’d just up your 5eny from the next closest base aka 5 extra mins of downtime.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: popeye on June 18, 2019, 06:56:49 AM
Maybe modify object downtimes according to the percentage of bases held:
Knits own 30% of Rook bases, normal hangar downtime is 15 minutes. Knit destroys Rook hangar, adjusted downtime is 30% less = 10.5 minutes. Other object downtimes would be modified accordingly.
So, it gets progressively harder to take more of one country's bases.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: atlau on June 18, 2019, 01:26:01 PM
Doesn't stop some jerk from ferrying a 262 a few sectors over though!
I've seen a lot of people talk about zone ENY. I've never seen anything even vaguely detailed about an implementation of it.
I think the devil's in the details on that idea.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 18, 2019, 03:17:31 PM
hitech has always said, what players ask is not what they want.
this zone eny idea has been around forever. let's say you are a rook, now all the fights are on the bishop/ knight front. so you tell the rooks let's take this base and you can't because now you have eny, so only option is to rage quit.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 1stpar3 on June 18, 2019, 03:28:24 PM
hitech has always said, what players ask is not what they want.
this zone eny idea has been around forever. let's say you are a rook, now all the fights are on the bishop/ knight front. so you tell the rooks let's take this base and you can't because now you have eny, so only option is to rage quit.
semp
Unless eny is so bad you can't get a jeep, c47, or m3..... you can always get a base.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 8thJinx on June 18, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
A couple of atomic bombs would make sub-50% base ownership quite fun. Country drops below 50%? They get access to a limited number of nukes. Drop a bomb, and it kills every enemy, white flags the town, and drops every hangar at the base being attacked.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 2old2fly on June 18, 2019, 09:35:37 PM
Reduce the clans to two. The numbers signing on are so small as compared to when I sign on so many years ago, it makes no sense to have three clans anymore. I know there I guys out there that remember as many as 400 in the game, fairly consistently, but now we all get excited if the are 150 TOTAL. I was is squad of 30 members who you could expect to be on any night. I for one, am considering moving on. I recognize my skills are not what they used to be. When I came on board, I would compare AH to a slice of bologna between two pieces of plain white bread. AH3 is nothing more the same sandwich with mayo and mustard. No amount numbers and percentage crunching is not going to change the fact we all have been playing on the same maps for far to long. Just more mayo and mustard.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: whiteman on June 18, 2019, 10:15:28 PM
A couple of atomic bombs would make sub-50% base ownership quite fun. Country drops below 50%? They get access to a limited number of nukes. Drop a bomb, and it kills every enemy, white flags the town, and drops every hangar at the base being attacked.
With the side effect of you can’t use the base for 20 years.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: pembquist on June 19, 2019, 12:05:31 AM
I have a suspicion that with only two sides you get a feed back loop that reinforces the imbalance between the sides. With three sides there is always another country to kind of pay attention to.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 8thJinx on June 19, 2019, 08:25:31 AM
I have a suspicion that with only two sides you get a feed back loop that reinforces the imbalance between the sides. With three sides there is always another country to kind of pay attention to.
Truth. When the ganging gets really bad, with three countries you can always switch to one of the other countries, and attack the vacant front to gin up some more-even sided action.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: lunaticfringe on June 19, 2019, 12:26:59 PM
I wonder if this is coming from the bish side. I don't know if it has to do with real life summer stuff, or just real life, I have noticed the Bish are not having a lot of players logging on. some players for bish have switched to 1 of the other countries, and the ones that do log on, some log off early, also not as many logging on in the mornings. so is it RL-summer time, or just RL, or just boredom with the game.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: whiteman on June 19, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
I’ve been switching sides the since coming back to avoid eny, I’ve been on bush side for a sold week. Not sure if that’s been normal or what but at times they gave half the numbers took side does. Also I’ve done a few pork runs to instigate a second front, take out ord and dar at 2-3 close based and nobody ups but a wirble. People may be looking at where the largest numbers are for furball’s.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: pembquist on June 19, 2019, 06:06:18 PM
...................and nobody ups but a wirble...................
That or the 88. A while ago I was prospecting by flying over to a big enme field and shooting at the ack somebody shoots me down with a man gun or a wirble and I asked him why he didn't up in a plane and he said words to the effect "sure buddy and then you'll just vulch me, I know how you guys operate."
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 19, 2019, 08:22:09 PM
I wonder if this is coming from the bish side. I don't know if it has to do with real life summer stuff, or just real life, I have noticed the Bish are not having a lot of players logging on. some players for bish have switched to 1 of the other countries, and the ones that do log on, some log off early, also not as many logging on in the mornings. so is it RL-summer time, or just RL, or just boredom with the game.
The guys that only got to log on a few hours during the week nights and weekends got tired of the constant double teaming. There for a few months it was absolutely stupid any day after 4pm week days and all weekend. That’s why I quit flying at night and weekends. You can’t chase a fight down during the day and have to fight five at night. Not really fun.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 19, 2019, 10:10:58 PM
The guys that only got to log on a few hours during the week nights and weekends got tired of the constant double teaming. There for a few months it was absolutely stupid any day after 4pm week days and all weekend. That’s why I quit flying at night and weekends. You can’t chase a fight down during the day and have to fight five at night. Not really fun.
weren't you one of the bishops that would roll undefended bases early in the morning? bishops won most mayors early in the morning.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 20, 2019, 12:17:45 AM
weren't you one of the bishops that would roll undefended bases early in the morning? bishops won most mayors early in the morning.
semp
Light another one buddy. You missed that whole point. What does I have to do with what I posted? Guys like you are really helping. Lol. Keep up the good work and immediate finger pointing
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 20, 2019, 05:03:52 AM
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 20, 2019, 08:26:45 AM
Light another one buddy. You missed that whole point. What does I have to do with what I posted? Guys like you are really helping. Lol. Keep up the good work and immediate finger pointing
didn't miss the point, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement.
you used to roll bases with 6 or 7 other players early in the morning. if a player upped then it was 5 or 6 to 1. now you claim to be a victim because you find 5 players attacking you. that's almost as funny as when you claimed that people ran away from your eny 20 planes when you mostly flew spit16.
oh the irony.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Zoney on June 20, 2019, 08:59:39 AM
didn't miss the point, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement.
you used to roll bases with 6 or 7 other players early in the morning. if a player upped then it was 5 or 6 to 1. now you claim to be a victim because you find 5 players attacking you. that's almost as funny as when you claimed that people ran away from your eny 20 planes when you mostly flew spit16.
oh the irony.
semp
This^
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: icepac on June 20, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
I used to up the 410, fly NOE to the place where the two enemy fronts meet, bomb down the vehicle hangar and deack the town before trying to make it home NOE.
Suddenly the two are fighting each other.
Sadly, changes to the game have made anything requiring stealth impossible.
Same goes for provoking the dead front in other ways.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shuffler on June 20, 2019, 02:27:21 PM
I would up into a 5 vs 1 and they would all die....
Laughing.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ccvi on June 20, 2019, 02:57:53 PM
I've wondered if the best strategy is for the ganged upon country to only resist one front. Then the side that has to fight them is facing closer to 1:1 numbers against lower ENY planes and then might decide to start an attack on the other country instead...
The best strategy is to make the other two sides exclusively fight each other, so bases from both can be capture without any resistance. Making them fight each other works by making it not fun for them to fight your own country. Its not fun to attack a country when all close bases have no ords, no forward GV spawns, and targets are resupplied frequently. So the right strategy is to use those methods that the community frowns upon at the right moment where the field layout best supports it. Not only to one side, but both.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 8thJinx on June 20, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Making them fight each other works by making it not fun for them to fight your own country.
Country A has 40 players. Country B has 40 players. Country C has 16 players, and 45% of it's own bases left. Country A and B are attacking Country C, either in a furball, or by going after that one irresistible base that gets them to 35% of Country C. Nothing is happening on the Country A vs Country B front.
Nothing in this universe is going to deter Country A or Country B from what they're doing, except maybe time. We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking there's a fix for this. Country C's players - if we're going to be real - should just find a spot on the map that they find fun, or simply log off and find something more fun to do. If that player comes back and keeps experiencing that and keeps logging off, then that player might at some point stop coming back, and put his entertainment dollar somewhere else, allowing the market to decide how much this game is really worth.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: pembquist on June 20, 2019, 04:35:17 PM
Country A has 40 players. Country B has 40 players. Country C has 16 players, and 45% of it's own bases left. Country A and B are attacking Country C, either in a furball, or by going after that one irresistible base that gets them to 35% of Country C. Nothing is happening on the Country A vs Country B front.
Nothing in this universe is going to deter Country A or Country B from what they're doing, except maybe time. We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking there's a fix for this. Country C's players - if we're going to be real - should just find a spot on the map that they find fun, or simply log off and find something more fun to do. If that player comes back and keeps experiencing that and keeps logging off, then that player might at some point stop coming back, and put his entertainment dollar somewhere else, allowing the market to decide how much this game is really worth.
What you are describing here is essentially one large 80 player country attacking one small 16 player country. This is more likely to happen if you only have two countries than if you have three.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: atlau on June 20, 2019, 05:09:24 PM
Eventually country a will attack b or vice versa. It's just a matter of time because there will be people wanting to win the war. You just might not be online at the time
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 20, 2019, 05:12:43 PM
Country A has 40 players. Country B has 40 players. Country C has 16 players, and 45% of it's own bases left. Country A and B are attacking Country C, either in a furball, or by going after that one irresistible base that gets them to 35% of Country C. Nothing is happening on the Country A vs Country B front.
Nothing in this universe is going to deter Country A or Country B from what they're doing, except maybe time. We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking there's a fix for this. Country C's players - if we're going to be real - should just find a spot on the map that they find fun, or simply log off and find something more fun to do. If that player comes back and keeps experiencing that and keeps logging off, then that player might at some point stop coming back, and put his entertainment dollar somewhere else, allowing the market to decide how much this game is really worth.
It is very easy to deter Country A and B to stop attacking Country C. Add a mechanizum to the coad that doubles or triples the hardness of ammo and towns of a country once they are down to 45% of their fields. Either country A + B must now work 2 to 3 times as had to capture another of country C's fields or they have to turn and attack each other. Either way toe slowing of the rolling of bases helps country C get their feet back under them.
The game is suppose to play fairly even, it is the point of ENY right? So why not add something to slow the ganging on one team. Turn off the extra hardness once the ganged team gets 10% of their fields back.
Sure porking a front, or running supplies and such is great strategy but with such low numbers is it really feasible? People are here to "play". In the old days you could count on 1, maybe 2 in 10 or so that thought that type of play is fun, that gave you 30-60 players on that did it, now adays with 100 playing there just arent that many willing to do it.
The game is suppose to be fun. Getting hammered from both teams is never fun.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 20, 2019, 06:51:41 PM
didn't miss the point, just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement.
you used to roll bases with 6 or 7 other players early in the morning. if a player upped then it was 5 or 6 to 1. now you claim to be a victim because you find 5 players attacking you. that's almost as funny as when you claimed that people ran away from your eny 20 planes when you mostly flew spit16.
oh the irony.
I wasn’t complaining about but pointing g out you troll. They have left this game to the inmat s to long and the effects are starting to show through. and for about the last year i been hoping around in the am to the side with lower numbers. But it’s to no avail because like stated above when the dweeblings log on it is nothing but a horde fest on the bish front. Which is then pointless of swapping sides. Oh you still playing that back card?
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Vraciu on June 20, 2019, 09:02:00 PM
dude remember I was playing in the morning early this year and you, yourself would be on the bishop side rolling bases every morning. haven't played in the morning since probably April. so I don't know about before January or after April.
so keep flying your eny 20 spit16. and complain about others doing exactly what you do.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ccvi on June 21, 2019, 05:28:14 AM
Sure porking a front, or running supplies and such is great strategy but with such low numbers is it really feasible? People are here to "play". In the old days you could count on 1, maybe 2 in 10 or so that thought that type of play is fun, that gave you 30-60 players on that did it, now adays with 100 playing there just arent that many willing to do it.
The 16 players in the scenario above are more that sufficient to take down ordnance at all adjacent enemy fields in less than 15 minutes. That will cause mass migration of the enemies to the other front, causing significant action on the other side of the map.
Games, sports, ... are never "fun" when played the wrong way. Enjoyment requires success (which is individually different per player). If the enjoyment is from winning the war, unusual things may be needed, that are somewhat in contradiction to natural behavior. That's true for basically everything. Just simply pulling extra hard continuously to get the enemy into the sights isn't the proper strategy to win an a2a-fight either.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 21, 2019, 09:38:21 AM
The 16 players in the scenario above are more that sufficient to take down ordnance at all adjacent enemy fields in less than 15 minutes. That will cause mass migration of the enemies to the other front, causing significant action on the other side of the map.
Games, sports, ... are never "fun" when played the wrong way. Enjoyment requires success (which is individually different per player). If the enjoyment is from winning the war, unusual things may be needed, that are somewhat in contradiction to natural behavior. That's true for basically everything. Just simply pulling extra hard continuously to get the enemy into the sights isn't the proper strategy to win an a2a-fight either.
and that is what makes you one of the ten. I'll jabo, run supplies and such now and then, but it is never fun. If I only have a couple of hours to play I certainly don't want to spend have of it doing "what needs to be done". Players want to attack and take bases, not defend or pork fields.
With the low numbers something is needed to guide players away from play that takes the fun out of the game for so many of the other players. With all the game options available these days why would a player waste time doing things that are not run in this game?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 21, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
dude remember I was playing in the morning early this year and you, yourself would be on the bishop side rolling bases every morning. haven't played in the morning since probably April. so I don't know about before January or after April.
so keep flying your eny 20 spit16. and complain about others doing exactly what you do.
semp
I love my groupies. Just wished they were smarter and there family tree had branches.
I was commenting on the post of low number bish. All you can do is troll on what’s been done. Get a life and job man. Most mornings it was still the bish versus everyone on line. And in the am we could only up spit 9s so your statement contradicts its self. Lol. Keep trying though you making me look better with every post.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 21, 2019, 06:12:10 PM
I love my groupies. Just wished they were smarter and there family tree had branches.
I was commenting on the post of low number bish. All you can do is troll on what’s been done. Get a life and job man. Most mornings it was still the bish versus everyone on line. And in the am we could only up spit 9s so your statement contradicts its self. Lol. Keep trying though you making me look better with every post.
I make you look great. depends on what you mean by it.
so bishops have low numbers, it's bishops against the world, and you can only fly spit9s.
which of your lies is true?
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: OldBull on June 22, 2019, 10:31:39 AM
Really people, Really? Some of you guys need to go back and look again at some of the stuff you are suggesting and be careful what you wish for. I see here where someone suggest that "HT needs to force..."blah blah blah. To me that means that HT needs to force everyone else to play like I want to play. When I log in there are times when I want to join with others and take bases, other times I have my own goals and may not care to be part of an organized effort, be it a personal achievement I am working on or maybe I have a time limitation and don't have time to be part of an organized capture. What ever my reason I am here on my own time and dime and resent being forced to do anything. Maybe that is why I fly Knights. At any rate I have no interest in your little experiment in socialism with HT forcing me to be part of the herd. If it comes to that I will just log off...Permanently. "HT needs to force...' psst, Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 22, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
It is very easy to deter Country A and B to stop attacking Country C. Add a mechanizum to the coad ....
And there you went wrong.
This is a player driven problem with a player solution. Even with the small numbers involved, players from C can switch to A or B and attack A or B bases to change the dynamic, even if the A and B players are too stubborn to switch to C due to ENY I've seen players start squawking on country channel and freak when they are suddenly being attacked on a new front . Easier than demanding yet more coding to fix behavior.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shuffler on June 22, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
I will be shooting those marked in red. This has never changed.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 22, 2019, 11:45:15 AM
This is a player driven problem with a player solution. Even with the small numbers involved, players from C can switch to A or B and attack A or B bases to change the dynamic, even if the A and B players are too stubborn to switch to C due to ENY I've seen players start squawking on country channel and freak when they are suddenly being attacked on a new front . Easier than demanding yet more coding to fix behavior.
....and when almost every mission you saw was an NOE there wasnt a reason to change coding, but they did. Players arent going to change the way they are playing and if that "play" is causing other players to cancel subscriptions then maybe it times to tweak the code again.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 22, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
....and when almost every mission you saw was an NOE there wasnt a reason to change coding, but they did. Players arent going to change the way they are playing and if that "play" is causing other players to cancel subscriptions then maybe it times to tweak the code again.
Fix it for me, HT. Fix it for ME, HT. Code and re code the game until it fits my liking perfectly, never mind the folks that cancel subs because of that. You were saying?
Take a leader role and do something more than whine for more coding (especially when you have no real idea of what you're asking for). :aok
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Tumor on June 22, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
Fix it for me, HT. Fix it for ME, HT. Code and re code the game until it fits my liking perfectly, never mind the folks that cancel subs because of that. You were saying?
Take a leader role and do something more than whine for more coding (especially when you have no real idea of what you're asking for). :aok
I know exactly what Im asking for. Much like the OP, balanced play.
If you ever pull your head out of the sand, your welcome to join the conversation. Hundreds of games maintain subscriptions, and many actually increase subscriptions. This game, while arguably the best WWII combat sim ever built continues to lose subscriptions. I wonder why that is? I think you can put poor game play right up there near the top.
If players cant curb their worst tendencies, much like the endless NOEs, maybe its time for a change. It could be a tweak in code, or players could just continue to leave and go play other games.
You fools that cant seem to admit there is a problem with game play these days will be the last 5 or 6 people that are subscribed. I wont even say the last 5 or 6 that play, because most of you sitting on the high horse with the blinders on dont even seem to play in the MA any more. You may consider my posts "whines" but I consider them "helpful suggestions". What HTC does with them is totally up to him and none of you "yahoos" have a say in it. I always thought discussing ideas was a big part of these boards and a lot of great ideas got hashed out and some even got implemented into the game. But like the game there is too much "poor play" here as well.
Ill keep posting my suggestions and if a real discussion crops up maybe I'll join in, but posting replies to those clowns that cant even admit there may be a problem. Im done with that.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 22, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
I have joined the conversation. I've offered an opinion. I don't see how constantly tasking HT to code more tweaks to fix behavioral problems is a road to improvement. If anything, its a waste of his time and a mere theoretical 'fix' in your mind. I do know, however, how stepping up to the plate, providing a leading example and showing how the game can be better for everyone, as is, works. It's too bad that active players like you don't try that first before running to the forum with 'great coding ideas' for HT to fix it for you. When I get a new monitor I'll even show you how to try just that. Til then, I'll opine on the whine.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: AAIK on June 22, 2019, 05:21:22 PM
I know exactly what Im asking for. Much like the OP, balanced play.
If you ever pull your head out of the sand, your welcome to join the conversation. Hundreds of games maintain subscriptions, and many actually increase subscriptions. This game, while arguably the best WWII combat sim ever built continues to lose subscriptions. I wonder why that is? I think you can put poor game play right up there near the top.
If players cant curb their worst tendencies, much like the endless NOEs, maybe its time for a change. It could be a tweak in code, or players could just continue to leave and go play other games.
You fools that cant seem to admit there is a problem with game play these days will be the last 5 or 6 people that are subscribed. I wont even say the last 5 or 6 that play, because most of you sitting on the high horse with the blinders on dont even seem to play in the MA any more. You may consider my posts "whines" but I consider them "helpful suggestions". What HTC does with them is totally up to him and none of you "yahoos" have a say in it. I always thought discussing ideas was a big part of these boards and a lot of great ideas got hashed out and some even got implemented into the game. But like the game there is too much "poor play" here as well.
Ill keep posting my suggestions and if a real discussion crops up maybe I'll join in, but posting replies to those clowns that cant even admit there may be a problem. Im done with that.
Aces high might be the best quality sim out there but its no longer relevant. Newer games have filled the gaps with planes and vehicles that were only prototypes and tiny production runs. People like being able to play with things that you don't get a chance to is the central draw of any game.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2019, 02:44:08 AM
Aces high might be the best quality sim out there but its no longer relevant. Newer games have filled the gaps with planes and vehicles that were only prototypes and tiny production runs. People like being able to play with things that you don't get a chance to is the central draw of any game.
I'll assume that by 'game' you mean, specifically, online MMO air combat sims. This thread is full of theories, philosophies and such expressed as fact, almost as if the posters took a survey across games, platforms and communities or even intensively played all the games to learn what attracts or loses players and how. From Fugi's 'what this game needs is more cowbell/behavioral coding' to your 'what makes a game special is access to every single plane designed to successfully or unsuccessfully pursue combat in the skies from any nation, pre-war and post war included.'
An example of the latter could be:
(https://i.imgur.com/5SK0584.png)
Notice that in this free to play sim plane may be bought individually. This is one of the cheaper ones at ten bucks. And what a winner of an experience it would be (theoretically, in my own untested opinion). That may vary from player to player as they spend x number of hours pretending to be a pilot in this crate while other player pilots shoot it down. Is it accurately modeled or was it enhanced to stand a chance?
Then there's:
(https://i.imgur.com/eVhbCPA.png)
Notice that this airplane is more expensive to buy. $46.00 bucks more (3 months of flying lots of great aircraft in AHIII).
But it does come as a bundle:
(https://i.imgur.com/J2DaM4e.png)
Note the 'crew training' and, better yet, the 'unique aircraft that do not need to be researched' thingies. What, they make it up as they go? Well, I wonder how stringently they research the not so unique aircraft players must individually purchase.
And this is supposed to be the draw? Well, that and they never heard of or tried AHIII.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Shuffler on June 23, 2019, 08:09:26 AM
I can tell you that I never was a fan of a game that made money off of and pandered to dishonest players. Any game where you can buy yourself better is just that.
Those folks are unable to do much without codes or plugins or a game that panders to that type.. I hope AH never falls to that level.
Those who believe a game like that is FTP are sorely mistake. They are designed to feed off the weak just like gambling in vegas.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 23, 2019, 09:01:30 AM
I have joined the conversation. I've offered an opinion. I don't see how constantly tasking HT to code more tweaks to fix behavioral problems is a road to improvement. If anything, its a waste of his time and a mere theoretical 'fix' in your mind. I do know, however, how stepping up to the plate, providing a leading example and showing how the game can be better for everyone, as is, works. It's too bad that active players like you don't try that first before running to the forum with 'great coding ideas' for HT to fix it for you. When I get a new monitor I'll even show you how to try just that. Til then, I'll opine on the whine.
Ah, so your saying Hitech wasted his time instead of stepping up to the plate and lead by example by changing the radar heights dropping the number of NOEs we use to have. Code tweaks work. Leading a herd of cats doesnt. Of course you may not remember those days, you could have been on one of your breaks while the rest of us were playing "wack a mole" in the MA.
Im glad you have you hand on the pulse of the community and are here to watch out for the future of Hitechs game. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Ah, so your saying Hitech wasted his time instead of stepping up to the plate and lead by example by changing the radar heights dropping the number of NOEs we use to have. Code tweaks work. Leading a herd of cats doesnt. Of course you may not remember those days, you could have been on one of your breaks while the rest of us were playing "wack a mole" in the MA.
Im glad you have you hand on the pulse of the community and are here to watch out for the future of Hitechs game. :rolleyes:
Please don't grasp at 'stupid straws' when responding. You're the one claiming to have your hand on a community pulse when it's even doubtful you accurately track your own. I've seen this kinda attitude before, both when playing and when 'taking a break' (as you like to refer to my currently having pc issues). HT spends most of his time maintaining this game. You, the player, can make a difference in how you play in it and how you interact with other players. You can either just play and not whine on the forum or you can sacrifice your time in game to make a difference and ..... no longer have reason to whine. Your recommendations involving how you would add code to fix things the way you like them to be are no more relevant than anyone else's. HT, himself, realizes that much of what is asked for isn't really an answer to the problems perceived.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Max on June 23, 2019, 11:12:16 AM
Please don't grasp at 'stupid straws' when responding. You're the one claiming to have your hand on a community pulse when it's even doubtful you accurately track your own. I've seen this kinda attitude before, both when playing and when 'taking a break' (as you like to refer to my currently having pc issues). HT spends most of his time maintaining this game. You, the player, can make a difference in how you play in it and how you interact with other players. You can either just play and not whine on the forum or you can sacrifice your time in game to make a difference and ..... no longer have reason to whine. Your recommendations involving how you would add code to fix things the way you like them to be are no more relevant than anyone else's. HT, himself, realizes that much of what is asked for isn't really an answer to the problems perceived.
I post a fact, and you call it grasping at "stupid straws", just another statement that proves your living in a fantasy land. I've been here since tour 21, EVERY tour, never missed flying in a single one I believe. I have never said I have my finger on the pulse of the game but from all those years of listening to players that have come and gone, reading their posts for years and time spent trying to help players acclimate and yes maybe chased a few away from the game, I can at least admit there may be a few problems with the game play.
Adding code to fix things is how the game evolves and tries to stay "relevant". Years ago you had to crush one team down to its last base, then I think it was changed to last 3 bases and which ever team had the most bases of the other two teams won the map. Now we have the percentages, 80% of your own, 20% each of the other two countries. Another code change for game play. Funny how the game evolves.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ccvi on June 23, 2019, 11:44:18 AM
Adding code to fix things is how the game evolves and tries to stay "relevant". Years ago you had to crush one team down to its last base, then I think it was changed to last 3 bases and which ever team had the most bases of the other two teams won the map. Now we have the percentages, 80% of your own, 20% each of the other two countries. Another code change for game play. Funny how the game evolves.
At the times of the last (three) field(s) to end the map, there were basically only small maps. The switch to the 80/20/20 rule came after the introduction of large maps. I'm counting on Lusche to post the exact dates of the introduction of the first large MA map and the 80/20/20 rule to prove me wrong :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2019, 12:10:53 PM
I post a fact, and you call it grasping at "stupid straws", just another statement that proves your living in a fantasy land. I've been here since tour 21, EVERY tour, never missed flying in a single one I believe. I have never said I have my finger on the pulse of the game but from all those years of listening to players that have come and gone, reading their posts for years and time spent trying to help players acclimate and yes maybe chased a few away from the game, I can at least admit there may be a few problems with the game play.
Adding code to fix things is how the game evolves and tries to stay "relevant". Years ago you had to crush one team down to its last base, then I think it was changed to last 3 bases and which ever team had the most bases of the other two teams won the map. Now we have the percentages, 80% of your own, 20% each of the other two countries. Another code change for game play. Funny how the game evolves.
But you're not the arbiter of the 'evolution of the game code.'
Add a mechanizum to the coad that doubles or triples the hardness of ammo and towns of a country once they are down to 45% of their fields. Either country A + B must now work 2 to 3 times as had to capture another of country C's fields or they have to turn and attack each other. Either way toe slowing of the rolling of bases helps country C get their feet back under them.
It's almost as if you've entirely forgotten that capture and winning the map is a foundation in this game. Ewwww, a side is being ganged up on (they have the lowest numbers) so lets not just have an ENY mechanism but lets come up with an 'easy' code to fluctuate hardness of objects on the map. Silly wabbit. That is exactly why your suggestions on the forum are worthless. If players aren't interested in switching sides for balance what's the point of what you're suggesting? Is it to facilitate and enable such stubborness? Let the population capture and destroy until the map resets. Then if more C siders log on and A or B is outnumbered, let the same happen in a different direction. Meanwhile the players that aren't 'having any fun' might figure out the ENY mechanism, eventually, and switch. Or, if not (as it seems to never happen to date) they can learn to enjoy being the underdog (without the heavy ENY penalty the other sides are suffering) or they can live with their ENY penalty while they roll fields.
Adding another code tweak to another code tweak to another code tweak to deal with player behavior has ever lessening returns (when players are merely playing the game as designed and not taking advantage of a game glitch).
Lead, man. Be the example, inspire others.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 23, 2019, 02:20:05 PM
But you're not the arbiter of the 'evolution of the game code.'
LOL!!! of course not hence the "suggestions!. I have just been pointing out where there were other times code was tweaked to adjust the game play.
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It's almost as if you've entirely forgotten that capture and winning the map is a foundation in this game.
ONE of the foundations. Its a sandbox of different options to make game play "fun" for a wider range of players. If game play gets knocked out of wack enough to take away or make some of these other options NOT fun you lose more players.
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Ewwww, a side is being ganged up on (they have the lowest numbers) so lets not just have an ENY mechanism but lets come up with an 'easy' code to fluctuate hardness of objects on the map. Silly wabbit. That is exactly why your suggestions on the forum are worthless. If players aren't interested in switching sides for balance what's the point of what you're suggesting? Is it to facilitate and enable such stubborness? Let the population capture and destroy until the map resets. Then if more C siders log on and A or B is outnumbered, let the same happen in a different direction. Meanwhile the players that aren't 'having any fun' might figure out the ENY mechanism, eventually, and switch. Or, if not (as it seems to never happen to date) they can learn to enjoy being the underdog (without the heavy ENY penalty the other sides are suffering) or they can live with their ENY penalty while they roll fields.
Yup everyone loves being bullied! I bet you could add that to a marketing line and draw in all kinds of players with that. Come on, be real. I dont know Hitechs mind but I think having a team being crushed all the time wasn't really the plan. If if it was why did he bother adding ENY?
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Adding another code tweak to another code tweak to another code tweak to deal with player behavior has ever lessening returns (when players are merely playing the game as designed and not taking advantage of a game glitch).
Lead, man. Be the example, inspire others.
Again, its not possible to lead a heard of cats. One guy isnt going to make a difference. Your welcome to try when you get back, Ill even join you if Im on, but if the game doesnt evolve with the players your not going to have many players after long.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2019, 02:28:16 PM
But you're not the arbiter of the 'evolution of the game code.'
Your suggestion:
It's almost as if you've entirely forgotten that capture and winning the map is a foundation in this game.
Gee I thought it was to have fun. No wonder the numbers are drying up
There are several types of fun ... but if you didn't know the MA is really kinda built about the capture of bases and the winning of the map ... with fun elements throughout such ... I'm not sure how you missed it. :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 8thJinx on June 23, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
It's 56 vs 22 in the MA right now. Knit Rook front is empty. Never thought I'd say this, but this game sucks. I am done.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2019, 08:03:00 PM
It's 56 vs 22 in the MA right now. Knit Rook front is empty. Never thought I'd say this, but this game sucks. I am done.
Are you inferring that one of the three sides had zero players? Are you inferring that that the lowest numbered side (of 3) had 22 players and the two other sides had 56 players between them? Are you saying that the only front you'll play on is the Knights versus Rook front? That you couldn't or wouldn't switch sides to find a front that was more active? You felt the need to post your disappointment but I don't understand it, fully. It actually seems, right now, that you're easily done in. But *ShruG* without knowing all the details of it there are no options to suggest other than your bailing.
Sayonara and good luck wherever you land. :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: 8thJinx on June 23, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
I know he's making a stink here as he says goodbye. I think I almost understand why he thinks the game sucks. But I also think he's his own worst enemy. Is that what you 'know?'
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 23, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
Are you inferring that one of the three sides had zero players? Are you inferring that that the lowest numbered side (of 3) had 22 players and the two other sides had 56 players between them? Are you saying that the only front you'll play on is the Knights versus Rook front? That you couldn't or wouldn't switch sides to find a front that was more active? You felt the need to post your disappointment but I don't understand it, fully. It actually seems, right now, that you're easily done in. But *ShruG* without knowing all the details of it there are no options to suggest other than your bailing.
Sayonara and good luck wherever you land. :salute :cheers:
Must you talk down and belittle everyones post?
For many switching sides isnt an option. They are "loyal" to their teammates. Who are you try and force players to switch side?
A player comes in and lists a complaint, a reason to stop paying his $15 a month as many others seem to be doing, and your solution is to belittle him and try to pick apart his complaint and make it irrelevant. Im glad you dont run the company.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 23, 2019, 09:48:01 PM
For many switching sides isnt an option. They are "loyal" to their teammates. Who are you try and force players to switch side?
A player comes in and lists a complaint, a reason to stop paying his $15 a month as many others seem to be doing, and your solution is to belittle him and try to pick apart his complaint and make it irrelevant. Im glad you dont run the company.
And I'm glad you don't.
*ShuG*
Jinx came here and threw a tiny fit and rage quit. I actually tried to prod him for more details but then he might have suffered a suggestion or two and he wasn't having any. I did include a polite goodbye (since I anticipated that the details I was curious about wouldn't be forthcoming).
Personally, I think he just wanted to quit and thought he found the perfect excuse to do so when none was really necessary. But that's just my own opinion. Will he reconsider and un-quit? That'd be nice. And if he doesn't decide to, then that's his obvious prerogative, as well.
Players quit and players join. There's always been turn-over. If Jynx's public bye-bye and stomp off included something worthy of consideration then I'm sure HT noticed and is furiously coding, as we speak, to make sure another player never ever logs on and has a bad evening caused by population shift and having to consider the unthinkable option of switching sides (or not).
As far as 'talking down' or 'belittling' goes, no, I don't make a point of it. Nor do I make a point of sympathizing when there seems no real reason to. Jynx could have just as easily wore his big boy pants and just said goodbye or nothing at all.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: ccvi on June 24, 2019, 02:24:55 AM
It's 56 vs 22 in the MA right now. Knit Rook front is empty. Never thought I'd say this, but this game sucks. I am done.
Yes, this happens, especially to bish, and not by chance. For a long long time bish had the most players by far (when ENY didn't yet enforce some numbers balance). Even today without significant numbers, bish are those willing to sacrifice most for the war. They were and still are the worst enemy. Of the current players, many still remember the old bish dominance, and the frequency of bish map wins over other countries is probably obvious even to newer players (they don't exist, anyway).
With regards to field captures, bish are both knights and rooks favorite target.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 07:47:06 AM
Yes, this happens, especially to bish, and not by chance. For a long long time bish had the most players by far (when ENY didn't yet enforce some numbers balance). Even today without significant numbers, bish are those willing to sacrifice most for the war. They were and still are the worst enemy. Of the current players, many still remember the old bish dominance, and the frequency of bish map wins over other countries is probably obvious even to newer players (they don't exist, anyway).
With regards to field captures, bish are both knights and rooks favorite target.
What a crippling mindset.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 07:57:42 AM
Jinx came here and threw a tiny fit and rage quit. I actually tried to prod him for more details but then he might have suffered a suggestion or two and he wasn't having any. I did include a polite goodbye (since I anticipated that the details I was curious about wouldn't be forthcoming).
Personally, I think he just wanted to quit and thought he found the perfect excuse to do so when none was really necessary. But that's just my own opinion. Will he reconsider and un-quit? That'd be nice. And if he doesn't decide to, then that's his obvious prerogative, as well.
Players quit and players join. There's always been turn-over. If Jynx's public bye-bye and stomp off included something worthy of consideration then I'm sure HT noticed and is furiously coding, as we speak, to make sure another player never ever logs on and has a bad evening caused by population shift and having to consider the unthinkable option of switching sides (or not).
As far as 'talking down' or 'belittling' goes, no, I don't make a point of it. Nor do I make a point of sympathizing when there seems no real reason to. Jynx could have just as easily wore his big boy pants and just said goodbye or nothing at all.
You do nag on every post in here. It’s like it’s your 200 to spite what any one says. There are still guys that pay there 15$ to just fight. That aspect is for the most gone from this game. So as long as the ground gunners are safe and the 30k buffs that have pin point bombing percussion and the invisible wirbs that can blast you out of the sky are happy, I guess that’s all that matters. I guess now you gonna look up my stats and say something like oh you gv or you been in a ground gun x many times. Pick it apart any way you want and keep believing there’s nothing wrong with the game. Soon there will be a bunch of folks at 25k and a few hovering over an a k some where wondering why there’s no action.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 10:22:34 AM
There are still guys that pay there 15$ to just fight. That aspect is for the most gone from this game.
No, it's not. Just because you can't find your own or figure out how to bait someone to fight you (flight tactics, not 200) that doesn't mean they've stopped existing, altogether.
So as long as the ground gunners are safe and the 30k buffs that have pin point bombing percussion and the invisible wirbs that can blast you out of the sky are happy, I guess that’s all that matters.
Nope. Not in the least. It all matters. But it's not all as exaggerated as you perceive.
Pick it apart any way you want and keep believing there’s nothing wrong with the game.
It's not the game. It's some of the players in the game. Despite what some seem to believe, HT's ability to program the players doesn't really exist. Take, for instance, ENY and players that are bound and determined not to switch sides in spite of. No, really, in spite.
No, I don't. But I'm predicting your entire post will be an example of such.Nope. Only to point out the flaws in the flawed whines.No, it's not. Just because you can't find your own or figure out how to bait someone to fight you (flight tactics, not 200) that doesn't mean they've stopped existing, altogether.Nope. Not in the least. It all matters. But it's not all as exaggerated as you perceive.Nah. I don't do that. You either have me confused with somebody else or you're working in a strawman, here.It's not the game. It's some of the players in the game. Despite what some seem to believe, HT's ability to program the players doesn't really exist. Take, for instance, ENY and players that are bound and determined not to switch sides in spite of. No, really, in spite.Is that your prediction or your hope?
I believe your thoughts on ENY maybe wrong. ENY handy caps the side with the bigger numbers as compared the the side with the lowest numbers. It limits they team ....... shocking I know, using coding to limit what players can do in the arena.....what the number superiority so they dont have both numbers AND the best equipment.
Switching sides due to ENY is the answer to the complaint "but I want to fly my P51!". HTC is giving players the choice to either play with numbers in crap equipment, or play with good equipment but worst odds.
So ENY isn't something to cause players to switch sides, it is a leveling system to try and keep the fighting even. As I said before switching sides for some players is not an option. Squad affiliation, team affiliation, friends you like to fly with not against are all good reasons NOT to switch.Stop using it as a solution to "find fights" , because for many it is not.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 11:49:36 AM
I believe your thoughts on ENY maybe wrong. ENY handy caps the side with the bigger numbers as compared the the side with the lowest numbers. It limits they team ....... shocking I know, using coding to limit what players can do in the arena.....what the number superiority so they dont have both numbers AND the best equipment.
Switching sides due to ENY is the answer to the complaint "but I want to fly my P51!". HTC is giving players the choice to either play with numbers in crap equipment, or play with good equipment but worst odds.
So ENY isn't something to cause players to switch sides, it is a leveling system to try and keep the fighting even. As I said before switching sides for some players is not an option. Squad affiliation, team affiliation, friends you like to fly with not against are all good reasons NOT to switch.Stop using it as a solution to "find fights" , because for many it is not.
You may believe I'm wrong but the fact of the matter is that players complain about ENY's limitation and when it is pointed out to them that there's an easy solution .... well .... 'we don't wanna' becomes their argument.
And since when is switching sides 'not an option' to any player? Entire squads can switch (and have been known to, at times). And 'friends you like to fly with and not against?' Seriously? Bet some of those friends can switch, as well. Try making new friends, even. Nobody is stuck on a side against their will. Usually its because they stubbornly will it.
I think perhaps your own perception is off. You seem to like coded limitation instead of coded influence. And for some reason you think that would be the answer to player dissatisfaction and not the potential cause for more.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Mano on June 24, 2019, 12:24:04 PM
Sorry to see you leave 8thjinx. :salute
........maybe a break for a month or two might do the trick. When I am not having fun or RL has me really busy I always take a break.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 12:42:28 PM
Such a troll. Lol. Get a life or go talk to buster. I finally got him ran off from hanging on my tail coats.
Great avoidance of an answer. :aok
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 12:49:53 PM
Arlo why not fix your computer with this time you got to type back? Then you could up a aeroplane and give some one a fight lol.
Like I was saying all the bish didn’t quit logging on cause they were having to much fun. And weekends numbers in the evening never got over a hundred THAT I SAW. I told one of my squaddies when I logged on how the evening was gonna go and for the most part I was 95% correct other than the base attempt Saturday night. Every flight was up fly a sector to their field and pounce on them (because there at 5k in the ack) hence the ideas the other guy thinks I’m at 20k. Then you wind up on the deck in there ack fighting four of them until eventually the a k gets you or one of the ack swarmies gets a shot on you.
Now pick that apart. Arlo or fix your rig so you can help save the ma
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
Such a troll. Lol. Get a life or go talk to buster. I finally got him ran off from hanging on my tail coats.
I'm just pointing out facts. if I was trolling you I would say something like, I have challenged you many times to a day but you have never won a single match.
see that's trolling.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 12:52:14 PM
Well he is a troll. Every post I make he has something to say. No relevant at all as to what’s being discussed but to try a bait others with dumb comments such as 20k crap. I don’t even fly bombers at 20k. Again you two are trolls
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 12:54:04 PM
I'm just pointing out facts. if I was trolling you I would say something like, I have challenged you many times to a day but you have never won a single match.
see that's trolling.
semp
No that’s lying. You will not go to the da from your lack of fellow flyers that you are required to have to get a kill. Trolling is following every post and making some stupid comment like I fly 20k. See post above troll boy.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2019, 12:57:08 PM
No that’s lying. You will not go to the da from your lack of fellow flyers that you are required to have to get a kill. Trolling is following every post and making some stupid comment like I fly 20k. See post above troll boy.
please explain which part is a lie. everything on my statements is true. you have not once defeated me in the da. see that's trolling.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
Arlo why not fix your computer with this time you got to type back? Then you could up a aeroplane and give some one a fight lol.
Like I was saying all the bish didn’t quit logging on cause they were having to much fun. And weekends numbers in the evening never got over a hundred THAT I SAW. I told one of my squaddies when I logged on how the evening was gonna go and for the most part I was 95% correct other than the base attempt Saturday night. Every flight was up fly a sector to their field and pounce on them (because there at 5k in the ack) hence the ideas the other guy thinks I’m at 20k. Then you wind up on the deck in there ack fighting four of them until eventually the a k gets you or one of the ack swarmies gets a shot on you.
Now pick that apart. Arlo or fix your rig so you can help save the ma
Time isn't the issue, Flipper. I set aside the time for my 'AH summer' by not signing up for summer classes. When the family auto goes tits up (5k worth) then even a comparatively small sum to buy a monitor gets set aside (though my darling wife doesn't mind the monthly fee to keep the account alive). As far as 'helping save the MA' (sarcastically delivered) is concerned, perhaps not being part of the problem and being part of the solution would be my part. And if I can inspire others, there'll be more parts. Before you know it, you might start to have difficulty complaining (though I'm sure you'll look long and hard for a reason to). :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
Well he is a troll. Every post I make he has something to say. No relevant at all as to what’s being discussed but to try a bait others with dumb comments such as 20k crap. I don’t even fly bombers at 20k. Again you two are trolls
Yeah yeah, everyone that doesn't agree and sympathize is a 'troll.' :D
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 02:06:38 PM
Time isn't the issue, Flipper. I set aside the time for my 'AH summer' by not signing up for summer classes. When the family auto goes tits up (5k worth) then even a comparatively small sum to buy a monitor gets set aside (though my darling wife doesn't mind the monthly fee to keep the account alive). As far as 'helping save the MA' (sarcastically delivered) is concerned, perhaps not being part of the problem and being part of the solution would be my part. And if I can inspire others, there'll be more parts. Before you know it, you might start to have difficulty complaining (though I'm sure you'll look long and hard for a reason to). :D
There’s all ways the second job or neighbors grass to be cut. Multiple ways to earn extra cash with all that free time of not flying. <————see what I did there.
And I am not sure how commenting from your point of view and play style on every comment helps. You have been mentioned as being a bbs pest by multiple folks for your unicorn and rainbow farts comments that you have to post on every thread. Not everyone is here to win the war or fly a set of bombers to strats or gv for hours. Others are here to up a plane and look for instant action. Some don’t like logging on and findin the only fight they can get is either fighting the entire opposing countries air force or continuously flying to the same base and jump in the ack to try for a kill because they do not have endless hours to play. It matters not that someone doesn’t agree with me. We have different playing styles and objectives. But when there first comment is how some one is on a team that wins a bit they shouldn’t have a voice. Or when they lie that some one flys at 20k and that can easily be contradicted as I only fly spits. Disagree all you want but do t make non sense statements trying to degrade my statement because you don’t like me.
Now see what you can do to get back in the awesome skies of AH. I mean you have to agree at this point we need every body that can fog up a mirror in the sky.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2019, 02:36:56 PM
Sorry either miss typed that or auto correct. Meant that would be a lie. As you wouldn’t go to the da.
but it's not a lie. see that's trolling.
me saying that you fly at 20k or above, it's not trolling, that's a fact, true not always but not rare either. just like pointing out that bishops almost daily won a map when I would play in the morning.
see the are very few things that I can say that happen in the game done by others that I haven't done myself. I don't complain about hoing, running, whatever because I do it. everybody does it.
I see people constantly complaining about other players, when they do the same thing. except for going. the part i find funny is change the code for this reason or that. but when you ask specific reasons why or how it will improve the game, they just give general statements.
and everybody forgets that you don't have to convince anybody here, only hitech.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
There’s all ways the second job or neighbors grass to be cut. Multiple ways to earn extra cash with all that free time of not flying. <————see what I did there.
And I am not sure how commenting from your point of view and play style on every comment helps. You have been mentioned as being a bbs pest by multiple folks for your unicorn and rainbow farts comments that you have to post on every thread. Not everyone is here to win the war or fly a set of bombers to strats or gv for hours. Others are here to up a plane and look for instant action. Some don’t like logging on and findin the only fight they can get is either fighting the entire opposing countries air force or continuously flying to the same base and jump in the ack to try for a kill because they do not have endless hours to play. It matters not that someone doesn’t agree with me. We have different playing styles and objectives. But when there first comment is how some one is on a team that wins a bit they shouldn’t have a voice. Or when they lie that some one flys at 20k and that can easily be contradicted as I only fly spits. Disagree all you want but do t make non sense statements trying to degrade my statement because you don’t like me.
Now see what you can do to get back in the awesome skies of AH. I mean you have to agree at this point we need every body that can fog up a mirror in the sky.
Ah, you only fly Spits. I suppose that's supposed to be a badge of honor. Good for you.
As far as your advice to get a second job or mow lawns, alas, a stroke cost me my manual labor gigs. You didn't know that. But then again there's likely a lot you think you know that you don't. Like that 'not everyone' bit. That's oversimplified nonsense. Not everyone is purely here for the quick and immediate gratification of a non-stop furball, either. That's the point. The AH community is a bit more complex and diverse than you seem to acknowledge or like.
And multiple folks don't like what I post? Your's aren't all that universally appreciated either, it seems. That doesn't mean I have anything personal against you. You can take that self persecution elsewhere. ;)
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 04:44:26 PM
Ah, you only fly Spits. I suppose that's supposed to be a badge of honor. Good for you.
As far as your advice to get a second job or mow lawns, alas, a stroke cost me my manual labor gigs. You didn't know that. But then again there's likely a lot you think you know that you don't. Like that 'not everyone' bit. That's oversimplified nonsense. Not everyone is purely here for the quick and immediate gratification of a non-stop furball, either. That's the point. The AH community is a bit more complex and diverse than you seem to acknowledge or like.
And multiple folks don't like what I post? Your's aren't all that universally appreciated either, it seems. That doesn't mean I have anything personal against you. You can take that self persecution elsewhere. ;)
It wasn’t meant as a badge of honor. Just saying not a lot of slots at 20k.
I mean there is still those home cottage business where you phone folks from the house and sell them warranties on there cars. Also amazon has openings for resolution operations since your full or answers. None of those are really taxing for the ol ticker.
And again I understand fully this game is not full of fast fur ball action. I just don’t get why I can’t WANT it to be just like 90% in the ma want it to be hide and seek and seems to be more about the air races. I mean I don’t complain. About the bomber at 30k cause I am not gonna chase him. The t34 and panzers don’t bother me when they are hiding in bushes. That’s their thing but when you have to chase planes to the ack and there’s a wirb sitting there to kill you that blows. Or how it seems every fight evolves over boats now now that we have the B.B. cruiser in some maps now.
I’ve about all but quit logging in at this point. Soon my acct will be closed and like many others I will dissolve to one who all forgets. Like all the others. I just wanted to point out what many have left the game for. They left quietly and they are the worst. Because if you don’t say something no one knows why you left. This really is a great game the players have devolved it down to what it is now. And again all those people didn’t quit cause they were having a good time and couldn’t get enough. You know what I’m saying.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 05:24:07 PM
It wasn’t meant as a badge of honor. Just saying not a lot of slots at 20k.
I mean there is still those home cottage business where you phone folks from the house and sell them warranties on there cars. Also amazon has openings for resolution operations since your full or answers. None of those are really taxing for the ol ticker.
Brain, not ticker. Though there was the uncontrolled blood pressure. Which is what I had when I was doing online customer service. When I had a stroke. And that job didn't want the liability of my coming back to it when I was released to slowly ramp up to my workload. I know you have every answer, and all ... but it probably helps when you are fully informed. But I encourage you to keep trying.
And again I understand fully this game is not full of fast fur ball action. I just don’t get why I can’t WANT it to be just like 90% in the ma want it to be hide and seek and seems to be more about the air races.
You can want whatever you want to want. It's when one theorizes as to what is and isn't at fault and comes up with it being a lack of behavior coding and that forcing player to play the way you want them to is the universal secret to happiness for the entire AH player population where you kinda end up losing rational perspective.
About the bomber at 30k cause I am not gonna chase him. The t34 and panzers don’t bother me when they are hiding in bushes. That’s their thing but when you have to chase planes to the ack and there’s a wirb sitting there to kill you that blows. Or how it seems every fight evolves over boats now now that we have the B.B. cruiser in some maps now.
How or what would you suggest Fugi to recommend, then? He's fond of magic coding limitations that'll fix ... whatever. Or is this, as I contend, a player behavior issue that is best addressed by mentoring of setting of example .... or even getting over it and committing to shooting them down even if they use every tactic known to AH to prevent that from happening and it puts your cartoon pilot to greater risk?
I’ve about all but quit logging in at this point. Soon my acct will be closed and like many others I will dissolve to one who all forgets. Like all the others. I just wanted to point out what many have left the game for. They left quietly and they are the worst. Because if you don’t say something no one knows why you left. This really is a great game the players have devolved it down to what it is now. And again all those people didn’t quit cause they were having a good time and couldn’t get enough. You know what I’m saying.
It woulds been nice if Jynx felt like providing more detail. Instead, he gave just enough to serve as an excuse to rage quit without anyone being left any sort of opportunity to offer him options or perspective. Is that how you picture your farewell?
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: flippz on June 24, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
Brain, not ticker. Though there was the uncontrolled blood pressure. Which is what I had when I was doing online customer service. When I had a stroke. And that job didn't want the liability of my coming back to it when I was released to slowly ramp up to my workload. I know you have every answer, and all ... but it probably helps when you are fully informed. But I encourage you to keep trying.
You can want whatever you want to want. It's when one theorizes as to what is and isn't at fault and comes up with it being a lack of behavior coding and that forcing player to play the way you want them to is the universal secret to happiness for the entire AH player population where you kinda end up losing rational perspective.
Then I recommend stopping.
How or what would you suggest Fugi to recommend, then? He's fond of magic coding limitations that'll fix ... whatever. Or is this, as I contend, a player behavior issue that is best addressed by mentoring of setting of example .... or even getting over it and committing to shooting them down even if they use every tactic known to AH to prevent that from happening and it puts your cartoon pilot to greater risk?
It woulds been nice if Jynx felt like providing more detail. Instead, he gave just enough to serve as an excuse to rage quit without anyone being left any sort of opportunity to offer him options or perspective. Is that how you picture your farewell?
Jynx has a lot more to do than I do today evidently.
There has to be something we can you doing. You can’t have an ailment for every suggestion of a supplemental income to get you back in the sky. I once was speaking g with a millennial that at the ripe age of 25 seemed to have a reluctant conger to not get a job. Then met his dad, whose car we impounded. I learned that maybe the kid had learned from his dad. After many reasons why I shouldn’t charge him for towing his car because he was driving with no license.
But any who. I found jinxs statement very clear. Didn’t need to ask a single question concerning it. I’m sure this isn’t the first time he was frustrated with the game. I’m sure it’s not the first time he logged on a fought a up hill battle for a few hours. See you (generally broad spectrum not YOU) think people come on here and throw a hissy fit for the first time things happens. They don’t. It’s usually after many hours(or days) of piss poor game play where people don’t seem to get there $15 fix. I use to could log on and for hours chase guys run through ack get left in fights that I dove in to help folks with. After time it wears on you. It’s the same rubber stamp game play that’s running off the fighter guys and the CODING change that flushed out many gvers with the red box. Why did the gv dad come to fruition? There were enough folks that “complained” about it till it happened. That’s is all fugi is suggesting is come up with ways to give guys a reason to fight. Take away some of the ninny products. Maybe have things to fight over that’s not near either countries base but are important to the war win. Make the fronts a Lil closer with smaller maps that everyone that wants to fight in a close proximity can get to. Code in when a country is getting rolled there bases or towns are harder to take. I don’t think fugi or I is saying every one has to play “my” way. We are only saying that our levels of enjoyment is really being meet. And again we didn’t fly Saturday night and it happened it’s been over a period of time. Like I said earlier the guys that leave with out saying anything are not helping. If you say something then some one knows what’s going on. So guys are not saying they want changes just to be talking. They are saying it because they like the game and are not enjoying the direction it’s going.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
listen jobs.com flippz, quit it.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
Code in when a country is getting rolled there bases or towns are harder to take. I don’t think fugi or I is saying every one has to play “my” way. We are only saying that our levels of enjoyment is really being meet. And again we didn’t fly Saturday night and it happened it’s been over a period of time. Like I said earlier the guys that leave with out saying anything are not helping. If you say something then some one knows what’s going on. So guys are not saying they want changes just to be talking. They are saying it because they like the game and are not enjoying the direction it’s going.
Good luck. No sarcasm implied. :salute
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Arlo on June 24, 2019, 06:34:50 PM
He likely doesn't understand that my finding alternate income that I might be able to do does me no good when receiving s.s. disability. He may even mean well. He just can't comprehend.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Max on June 24, 2019, 06:39:22 PM
Jynx has a lot more to do than I do today evidently. <<SNIP>>
Before ya leave Flippz we should DA and trade insults ;-) I will miss your FUSS !! :old:
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: The Fugitive on June 24, 2019, 09:34:41 PM
flippz, to you and me, Arlo has an option, either fix the car, or buy a monitor, but Im sure to him that is NOT an option. Funny how its ok to not use an option but spend your time calling out other people because they dont use the option they cant use.
While one is life, and the other is a game the point is, sometimes there isnt an option.
I love this game and have sent my $15 in every month since tour 21. If I didnt love it I would be gone. But Im a realist, I can admit there are issues with game play <----- notice I said game PLAY. There isnt anything wrong with the game, there are problems with how it is now played.
Players continue to quit, FSO is a shadow of what it once was and when ever there is a new scenario the boards are "spammed" by the guys running it BEGGING players to join to fill out the slots enough just to make it function.
The biggest issues in game play must be looked at. If adjusted, like for the NOEs, or ENY, or the base capture percentage it may help players get some of the action they can no longer get, be it HQ runs, GV battles, strait up dog fights, base capture or win the war. The more players you keep happy the more players you will have playing. Striking that balance is what is needed.
The GV code adjustment is one of those that needs a rework (oh wow, is that another time HTC made code changes to adjust game play?). The big flag on the map pointing out "here I AM!" has just about killed the GV fights and chased away players. Balance is needed.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 24, 2019, 09:45:25 PM
I've played since the gv dar started, never seen a gv with a big flag saying here I am.
and I've seen hitech tweak the code many times in the last 2 years.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Pluto on June 24, 2019, 10:56:01 PM
People still logout to find them on their film viewer.
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: guncrasher on June 25, 2019, 01:34:48 AM
He likely doesn't understand that my finding alternate income that I might be able to do does me no good when receiving s.s. disability. He may even mean well. He just can't comprehend.
he believes everybody on disability is faking it. if you go check his posting you will see he's trolling about mine too.
semp
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: Pluto on June 25, 2019, 02:37:34 AM
Enough is enough. This thread is locked :noid
Title: Re: Enough is enough
Post by: eddiek on June 25, 2019, 06:16:48 AM
Before the thread is locked...........
Everyone has offered their opinions based on what the see or perceive in the game. I can see both sides and where they've formed their opinions. Myself, I am somewhat in the middle. You can't code player behavior. If there is a loop or glitch in almost any code, some player somewhere will try to find it. That's just human nature. Been that way since........well, as long as we've been on this planet. You can, however, make changes in the game code that will encourage players to change their behavior. No matter what HiTech does, there always have been, and always will be, players who complain and threaten to quit or actually do quit. It's the nature of the beast.......you can't please everyone all the time. Been on both sides of the imbalance issue. Sucks to have to go up against the side with a large numbers advantage, even with perks at a huge discount, and it sucks to be on the side with the numbers advantage and be stuck in lower performance planes. Adjusting the damage done by ords, and the number of troops required to capture fields is an interesting notion. Proportional adjustments to reflect the arena population might work, might encourage folks to switch sides to balance things out in the short term. Only way to find out is to try it, and the only person to make that call is HiTech. For a long time, I've wished he could code the arenas to adjust to the number of players online, i.e., make the arena grow smaller as the number of players dropped, then expand again as more players logged on. This "might" encourage players to interact more. There are always those who just want to log on, take off and go do a bomb run, or other activity, with little or no interference. They will not like that . But this game, even when the numbers were in the hundreds on a nightly basis, and even when there were multiple arenas to hold them all, NEVER pleased everyone. There have always been complaints. For 19 years I've played the game as much as my system, and real life, allowed me to. Not gonna stop in my foreseeable future. I don't expect perfection, but I would like to see some adjustments made, as I've seen changes made that went way too far in one direction to appease one crowd, with nothing offered in return for those on the other side of the fence.