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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SAAMIAM on February 25, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
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I know you guys are insane good. I experience it every day and every night. But when it comes to my gunnery compared to the enemy its like wtf is going on???
I understand the ballistics, the Kentucky Windage, the convergence ect.. but what I dont understand is why I can burn up all my 20mm and 30mm cannon and NOT shoot the guy down. I see my bullets hitting his plane. But you guys will swoop in from my flank and 1 shot pilot injure me or drop in on my six and single burst kill me. And in my honest opinion, this is why you cant keep new player for more than 1 month.
Time after time after time ill get firing solution and shoot and ill miss or you fly right through a stream of 20mm and other than impact sparks you come right around and one shot me.
Am I laggy? I know i dont suck that bad. I just dont get it and its sucking the desire right out of me. 2 to 6 hours a day of taking off climbing out, getting to battle, getting dope on you, missing or not killing you, you get around on me, 1 shot me and repeat, over and over again can be demoralizing to anybody.
This is my best most respectful ptsd plea for help.
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The video I made on how to setup your joysticks explains how to stabilize your airplane to get rid of the bouncy/slop that is present until you go through the process.
Another thing that can make your shooting inaccurate is constantly changing your aircraft.
Stick setup first. Learn one airplane at a time after.
It's also really hard to shoot straight when you're fighting the stall.
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Only thing i can advise you get a wingman. Learn from him.
Go to the dueling arena and duel your socks off.
Fire only 1 or 2 rounds a burst when shooting with the 30mm and dont fire those in combination with the 20mm on a K4. The balistics dont match.
And i feel your pain, we have all been there. <S>
Sincerly,
Dutch
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@Challenge. Stick setup he says LMAO! Clearly you haven't been following this guy's plight. Go ahead and ask him about his stick setup. Be the entertainment for the day!
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@Challenge. Stick setup he says LMAO! Clearly you haven't been following this guy's plight. Go ahead and ask him about his stick setup. Be the entertainment for the day!
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:rofl
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@Challenge. Stick setup he says LMAO! Clearly you haven't been following this guy's plight. Go ahead and ask him about his stick setup. Be the entertainment for the day!
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Hey Drano.. 1.) what is taptalk ? And 2.) how about you put down your ipad like me and log in and I'll make YOU the entertainment of the day as I make you check your parachute serviceability all morning? Just like liquid Drano you will be falling from the sky in a downward spiral.
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I can be in match play arena if you want some fun?
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Head to Head with Bf110?
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Rudder is key. My hit percentage without a rudder would maybe be 1/4th of my normal one.
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but what I dont understand is why I can burn up all my 20mm and 30mm cannon and NOT shoot the guy down. I see my bullets hitting his plane.
Using a non-stick controller (or a badly setup stick) often results in a lack of quick precision required for getting a quick concentration of hits at a critical place. Several hit that are just all over the place often won't do the trick. And like atlau said, precise use of rudder is more than juts helpful for getting a high hit percentage.
What is your recent pilot ID?
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See rule #4
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@Challenge. Stick setup he says LMAO! Clearly you haven't been following this guy's plight. Go ahead and ask him about his stick setup. Be the entertainment for the day!
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For this complaint that's the answer. Obviously, no one can fix all of his problems.
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My money is on Drano. :aok
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See rule #4
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I've been here a few years now and still have many moments like that.... I just own my suck and bask in more awsomesauce when it happens... in-frequent at times but it does happen from time to time
I also find the shots I make when my eyes are closed are the best ones.... but because my eyes are closed I have no idea what I did.... it's a vicious circle
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I know you guys are insane good. I experience it every day and every night. But when it comes to my gunnery compared to the enemy its like wtf is going on???
I understand the ballistics, the Kentucky Windage, the convergence ect.. but what I dont understand is why I can burn up all my 20mm and 30mm cannon and NOT shoot the guy down. I see my bullets hitting his plane. But you guys will swoop in from my flank and 1 shot pilot injure me or drop in on my six and single burst kill me. And in my honest opinion, this is why you cant keep new player for more than 1 month.
Time after time after time ill get firing solution and shoot and ill miss or you fly right through a stream of 20mm and other than impact sparks you come right around and one shot me.
Am I laggy? I know i dont suck that bad. I just dont get it and its sucking the desire right out of me. 2 to 6 hours a day of taking off climbing out, getting to battle, getting dope on you, missing or not killing you, you get around on me, 1 shot me and repeat, over and over again can be demoralizing to anybody.
This is my best most respectful ptsd plea for help.
You say you understand the ballistics, but do you use them?
Are you firing WHILE your pulling G's? If you are, your not concentrating your rounds AT CONVERGENCE, but are slinging them all along/around the target. Pull your lead, ease off the stick a shoot at a point out front of your target at the range you have your convergence set at. Convergence, closer is better especially with cannons. Cannons drop off as they get farther out so you need both lead AND to aim high, out front of your target, too many places to make a mistake.
Get close, under 300 is best, unload the G's, and lead the target and fire a burst. Stick with one plane for 100 hours to get use to the lead and start bringing your hit % up
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Record your sorties. Go back and watch the film. When you are shooting at someone, switch the view so you are centered on that plane, and see where your bullets are going. You can get a close up look at where your bullets are hitting, and where they go when you miss.
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Head to Head with Bf110?
Rag... im sorry i just now saw your reply... i like your style. Even better I like that you said in Match play arena. Can we spice it up a bit? Say ffa in match play? We both take knights and fight off ai drones while we battle it out head to headin our sick donut 110's?
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Rudder is key. My hit percentage without a rudder would maybe be 1/4th of my normal one.
Atlau.. thanks for the advice brother.. you are one of those guys names that pops up frequently right before the words "shot you down"
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Using a non-stick controller (or a badly setup stick) often results in a lack of quick precision required for getting a quick concentration of hits at a critical place. Several hit that are just all over the place often won't do the trick. And like atlau said, precise use of rudder is more than juts helpful for getting a high hit percentage.
What is your recent pilot ID?
Thanks Lusche... I feel I am getting good dope on my target but as you said its the precision that does it.. like that murderer 2cemex, He will one shot pilot injure you on a 400mph flanking strafe...
my id as of late is FounderJeff (FndrJeff) It will stay that way for a while as i try and get AcesLeagues off the ground
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For this complaint that's the answer. Obviously, no one can fix all of his problems.
Well thank you Chalenge for the constructive and positive reinforcing suggestion. 👍👍👍 quite the contributor you are i see
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You say you understand the ballistics, but do you use them?
Are you firing WHILE your pulling G's? If you are, your not concentrating your rounds AT CONVERGENCE, but are slinging them all along/around the target. Pull your lead, ease off the stick a shoot at a point out front of your target at the range you have your convergence set at. Convergence, closer is better especially with cannons. Cannons drop off as they get farther out so you need both lead AND to aim high, out front of your target, too many places to make a mistake.
Get close, under 300 is best, unload the G's, and lead the target and fire a burst. Stick with one plane for 100 hours to get use to the lead and start bringing your hit % up
Best advice yet. Thanks Fugitive... as much as you can be like me, (a bit direct) you will not hesitate to offer someone good sound advice. I most appreciate that good sir. Thank You
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Record your sorties. Go back and watch the film. When you are shooting at someone, switch the view so you are centered on that plane, and see where your bullets are going. You can get a close up look at where your bullets are hitting, and where they go when you miss.
Thanks Mongoose, I do record them and watch them bit I find myself making the same shots because they appear to be lined up.. i feel my biggest problem after reading all the suggestions is my range. I am firing way to far out. 400 to 600. Ill work on getting much closer.
Thanks everyone for the sound advice.
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See rule #4
Were you telling me to see rule 4 so I could better understand how you violated it when you made your hurtful and sarcastic remarks about my controller setup?
- Flame baiting, flaming, being abusive, being disrespectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
My friendly challenge to you was one made in good faith and still stands, I fail to see where it violates the above mentioned rule.
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no he was rule 4'd for something he said
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Aim and convergence are very important gunnery skills to know. Unfortunately, it's a skill most don't have or not very proficient in.
If you find that your rounds aren't do as much damage as you think they are, make sure that you're hitting the target at the convergence point. Just like convergence, where your rounds hit the plane is just as important. Aim for the weak areas, like the cockpit area, engine or wing root. Most of the time a good, single solid burst is enough to bring down the bandit. Another area to aim for is the tail section, specifically the area where the fuselage and tail section meet. If you don't remove the tail with a solid burst, the damage usually result in being major by removing a flight control surface like an elevator, rudder or stabilizer.
Just because one comes from another game where you were an Annie Oakley, it does not guarantee that you'll be a Toby Walker in here. Practice, practice, practice is the name of the game with gunnery.
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The video I made on how to setup your joysticks explains how to stabilize your airplane to get rid of the bouncy/slop that is present until you go through the process.
Where would I find this video?
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Hey Drano.. 1.) what is taptalk ? And 2.) how about you put down your ipad like me and log in and I'll make YOU the entertainment of the day as I make you check your parachute serviceability all morning? Just like liquid Drano you will be falling from the sky in a downward spiral.
hey Mr. best fighter pilot there is, my money is on Drano, and most every pilot in the game. and apparently you're squad isn't helping you to learn.
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The video I made on how to setup your joysticks explains how to stabilize your airplane to get rid of the bouncy/slop that is present until you go through the process.
Another thing that can make your shooting inaccurate is constantly changing your aircraft.
Stick setup first. Learn one airplane at a time after.
It's also really hard to shoot straight when you're fighting the stall.
where would i find this video-what was the date? what is the video called?
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All of the comments are true and helpful. Other considerations.
Which Sprite is which: if you fly a plane with machine guns and cannons, often time the machine guns will find the target first because the rounds have higher muzzle velocities. So if you're in a Spitfire you could be hitting the bandit with the two machine guns and missing with the 20mm cannons.
Solution: Make use of two triggers on your joystick. Have one set for Machine guns and a different one for cannons. use the machine guns to range the enemy, then position for a little more lead and fire the cannons. Practice this and it will save you cannon ammo and help you get more kills because it will allow a higher hit percent for your cannon rounds.
Scattered Rounds: Convergence means there is only one point where the rounds are concentrated. short or long of that they spread out. Add to that planes are at different attitudes toward each other. this means rounds will be spread around the enemy aircraft over time. So lots of sprites can mean you hit lots of different parts only a couple of times. which may not be enough to break them.
Solution: try something with concentrated firepower so sprites usually mean victory. P-38, 110, 109 w/30mm.
Crossing speed: If a target is moving very quickly through your guns sight due to scissor maneuver, or a crossing shot, the number of rounds you can land in the same place is decreased. So you may just put a few holes in him.
Solution:
1) Getting a kill on a high speed crossing shot required lots of firepower. Many pilots, even the good ones, are surprised by a crossing shot (snap shot). They feel they can survive a fast scissor long enough get there opponent (focused on making a shot) to slide out in front after a few turns. Heavy firepower that kill a bandit on a quick snap shot can make for a lot of easy, quick kills enabling you more time to get in position for the next bandit in. P-38, 30mm equipped German planes, N1K1, Hurricane C, La7 with
(3) 20mm pack, 110 w/4 20mm, A-20 with 8 50 cal in the nose.
2) Other wise you need to saddle up behind him so you're firing more of a tracking shot. This effectively slows down how fast the plane is moving through you firing solution. The trade off is the smaller size of the silhouette (or cross sectional area) that your trying to hit. so a plane with lots of ammo is your friend where. F4U, Pony, hellcat, Jug, P-38,
Personally, I don't like have to take that long to saddle someone up, and stay there for a longer tracking shot because I'm usually picked by his wingman by then.
Hope that helps :salute
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In addition to Vinkman's good points, my general rule of thumb with 30mm is to get in C L O S E, and give it a lot of lead until you get used to it. I still shoot behind people all the time particularly with 30mm. I don't like to fire outside icon 200 and I prefer to be right on top of them. The dispersion on the 30mm is extreme. You can be dead on a fighter at icon 400 and shoot all around his plane without touching it, particularly in a tail chase. Bombers slightly less so.
Wiley.
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In addition to Vinkman's good points, my general rule of thumb with 30mm is to get in C L O S E, and give it a lot of lead until you get used to it. I still shoot behind people all the time particularly with 30mm. I don't like to fire outside icon 200 and I prefer to be right on top of them. The dispersion on the 30mm is extreme. You can be dead on a fighter at icon 400 and shoot all around his plane without touching it, particularly in a tail chase. Bombers slightly less so.
Wiley.
Yes I second Wiley's point. If you can get a 30mm to pass in-front of target you're on the road to big things. :salute
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Where would I find this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl1jBTx1HJA&list=PL-w5lCV3VcQxuV_D7_hLgtjAm0Z2jcTPJ
That's the complete list of three videos. In total the three videos will reveal how the curves work and how the stick modes work, as well as why.
If you need the specific bit that talks about deadband and damping I will have to take the time to look at that myself. It's in there, somewhere.
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damage drop offs for bullets is useful to know as well.
.30 cal 250 yrds (could be +-50yrds I'm not 100% on 7.7 and 30 cal)
.50 cal 400 yrds (.50cal does 1 point of damage and drops below that past 400 yrds)
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have you tried the floating target? type .target 0000 any distance you can see hits and convergence strength ;)
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Chalenge is absolutely right about stick setup.
When I flew with my squad in training arena most had way too agressive elevator and rudder settings.
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Chalenge is absolutely right about stick setup.
When I flew with my squad in training arena most had way too agressive elevator and rudder settings.
After seeing his post I bumped my damping up on elevator and rudder the other day. Night and day difference. It's not muscle memory yet but it was instant loss of nose bounce. I'm very happy with the change.
Wiley.
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After seeing his post I bumped my damping up on elevator and rudder the other day. Night and day difference. It's not muscle memory yet but it was instant loss of nose bounce. I'm very happy with the change.
Wiley.
I personally prefer minimal damping or deadband. But if your joystick starts to lose.calibration it will.definitely be necessary
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have you tried the floating target? type .target 0000 any distance you can see hits and convergence strength ;)
I believe you also have to be flying north
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North is default but you can place the target at any heading. Just put the heading after the distance.
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You can also have it on an upward or downward angle if desired. If memory serves its something like .target 300 180 45 would put it at 300 yards south of you at a 45 degree angle up. - 45 would put it at 45 degrees down.
Wiley.
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Skuzzy would have moved this to Help and training by now. Even I learned something and I have a Hard Head. :bhead
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Yeah I didn't know you could change the orientation of the target either. Dunno why ya would but it's cool ya can.
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If you require any assistance, PM with your ingame tag and we will sort out a good time to chin-wag.
I'd be happy to mentor you.
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If you require any assistance, PM with your ingame tag and we will sort out a good time to chin-wag.
I'd be happy to mentor you.
This dirt bag took a dump in the other thread.
He left and made the game better.
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Nah, he was on this evening :uhoh FNDRJEF is call sign
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If you require any assistance, PM with your ingame tag and we will sort out a good time to chin-wag.
I'd be happy to mentor you.
ME! ME! Mentor MEEEEEEEE!
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This dirt bag took a dump in the other thread.
He left and made the game better.
I saw that after I posted.
However, I understand from personal experience how the frustration can boil over.
With adequate guidance, which I believe has been lacking in this player's experience so far, things may just turn around for the better.
All I can do is offer to try and help.
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You might want to read all of his posts to help you develop appropriate guidance. :aok
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You might want to read all of his posts to help you develop appropriate guidance. :aok
Because prejudice is the way to go right.. :rolleyes:
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Dolby good to see ya! Lots of us have tried to help this guy. He needs help for sure but not like you think. He needs help but he's way better than you. He's also hosting a million dollar AH tourney. I'm wondering if maybe he just got bit by a scorpion or something!
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I saw that after I posted.
However, I understand from personal experience how the frustration can boil over.
With adequate guidance, which I believe has been lacking in this player's experience so far, things may just turn around for the better.
All I can do is offer to try and help.
The individual in question does ask questions but will accept no guidance.
His stance is that in another game he is number 7 or so in the world.
I think he may have been bit by a spider. ;)
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Because prejudice is the way to go right.. :rolleyes:
On this guy, you say prejudice, I say "minimally observant".
Wiley.
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Because prejudice is the way to go right.. :rolleyes:
Where do you see prejudice? I gave you good advice if you want to help him.
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Ok gentlemen, I have been forewarned.
Leave this one to me, should he take my offer up.
Maybe we can turn this franchise around.
:salute
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Every little bit helps. :aok
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Good luck with that. :D
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This dirt bag took a dump in the other thread.
He left and made the game better.
So Im a dirtbag? Isnt that a violation of your forum rules? That is a personal attack, its hate speech and im highly offended. i happen to take showers daily and keep a high level of hygene shuffler. You dont know me, you dont even fly in Melee arena. I have flown with you in AVA and remember downing you a few times. I gave you respect as I gave everybody and continue to give everybody in the AVA.
You are not a coward, you dont vulch, you dont run and hide in your ack.. So why attack me? Is it because I speak the truth? Isn't that why you stopped playing in the Melee arena? What makes you so special that you can attack me and not be reprimanded? You certainly are not a better pilot than me. And after hearing you complain about Dale and the melee arena while we were in the AvA only shows me how fake you are. Now that is a dirtbag in my opinion.. not even man enough to tell Dale what you really think to his face. Wow.. :salute
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Dolby good to see ya! Lots of us have tried to help this guy. He needs help for sure but not like you think. He needs help but he's way better than you. He's also hosting a million dollar AH tourney. I'm wondering if maybe he just got bit by a scorpion or something!
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Really Drano? How ignorant are you? Really? A million dollar tourney? Show me where I said that? Please.. enlighten me. And lets discuss the help you offered me.. oh wait, there is nothing from you except garbage like the reply above.. oh yeah, heres a great tip that helped me incredibly... "dump the touch controllers, they are garbage".. great tip genius.. arent you just the contributor.
Went for a spin with FLS and that lasted all of 10 minutes. First he gets mad at me for shooting him down in War Online Pacific, then completely ignores the questions i ask about the specific issue I was seeking assistance with so he can make me let him show me how to Immelmann.
My issues have not changed since day one and after i filter out the garbage and useless insults from trolls like you Drano, I finally got some comprehensive and intelligible information that can help me adjust my gunnery habits and down alot more of you so called aces instead of running out of ammo not shooting you down.. getting on your six is not nor has it ever been a problem for me except with 2cemex and flippz,those guys are insane good. By the way Drano, maybe you can teach me that floppy fish looking move you pull everytime i get behind you. Or do you have epilipsy? How do you make your plane wiggle and sporadically jerk side to side and up and down so violently like that?
Help me with these specific issues big guy..
1.) How to shoot down an A6 Zero that takes 30 direct hits from my 20mm cannon at a range of 300m without taking a damage?
2.) How to shoot down the guy that runs away 2 quadrants and only turns to fight when he is circling in his ack? Like drano here.
3.) how to shoot down the bomber that wipes out your ords and then bails and then ups a wirb and shoots you down?
4.) How can I fly a Tempest in VR when there is no flight stick or throttle in the cockpit?
5.) how can I stop the random spacial sensor recentering from occurring every 5 minutes that knocks my pilot position out of wack causing me to pause the game and recenter?
6.) How can I fly any plane with a yoke in VR and Not get locked out with "dont move controller too rapidly" the instant I engage an enemy or enter engagement with a base or strat or ship? Even in steady level flight? By the way? How can you fly a yoked plane like a p38 or mossy or b25 with a HOTAS flight stick? How the hell does that work? Thats probably what causes the glitch in vr Dale.. worth looking into. In the meantime, disable the left side of the yoke. Seems to happen less if I keep my left touch as far away as possible in flight.
Vinkman, you are a great stick, very very hard to shoot down and you dont run from a fight. I salute you. I appreciate very much all of the technical information you took the time to provide me. Reminded me of advanced marksmanship and high angle mountain marksmanship training the Corps put me through.
Unfortunately it doesnt really apply to me because I fly in VR, always in the cockpit and I fly with the native joystick in the plane. The Oculus Rift Touch Controllers allow me to grab it and fly the plane with it. Dale has really done a great job of making each plane react the way it would in real life using the actual stick. The spit and typhoon with its weird loop ring handle, the I16's tight rolling, the P40 and its '76 monte carlo like slop in the steering. Dale did a great job with it.. better than DCS, blows away war thunder and il2.
The only way unfortunately for me to get the firing solution down will be the same way they did it back it the day.. Kentucky windage.. Still would like to spend a bit of time with you in TA Dolby and fly a bit if you are willing to listen to my questions and reasoning behind those questions and be willing to approach assisting my gunnery my way. That would be great. The rest of you Trolls that call me a dk head, or hate on me because i speak the truth or take a different approach than your higher than mighty way.. well you can just kiss my Marine Corps Arse.. Drano, stop running away from a fight.. you are in a 190 for christs sake. Man up or sit in an 88.
Everybody else that contributed to this post with actual advice, Thank You for taking your time to help me. The truest gift is the gift of sacrafice and i appreciate your willingness to sacrafice the one commodity that can never come back.. time.
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I attacked no one. I used verbage to describe the type person you are based on your post.
You actually attacked someone in your post. I am sure you do not let facts get in the way of you spewing poison on the boards though.
You don't see me in the Melee because you are too busy complaining.
BTW... how is that spider bite?
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Sorry shifty shuff.. i no longer respect you. You are fake.
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Hey Dolbs! Ya getting this?
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Lmao! Welcome to our world!
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Went for a spin with FLS and that lasted all of 10 minutes. First he gets mad at me for shooting him down in War Online Pacific, then completely ignores the questions i ask about the specific issue I was seeking assistance with so he can make me let him show me how to Immelmann.
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We already cleared this up but I'll repeat what happened. We were both fighting AI on the same side in WOP when this ACE shot me while I was shooting AI. Once I knew he was attacking me he died a few times without hitting me again.
I've answered all his questions, he didn't like the answers.
I offered to train him and we met in the TA but after a short conversation he stalled, spun in, and left. I haven't seen him since. I offered to duel 1v1 after he started claiming he defeated me but he wasn't interested.
Based on his posts I believe this is a delusional person with mental illness. He's welcome to play but posting lies is unacceptable.
The reason he's mad at me is because I said I don't think he knows ACM or how to fly. My opinion hasn't changed.
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I attacked no one. I used verbage to describe the type person you are based on your post.
You actually attacked someone in your post. I am sure you do not let facts get in the way of you spewing poison on the boards though.
You don't see me in the Melee because you are too busy complaining.
BTW... how is that spider bite?
Shuffler is easy to find in the Melee. Just follow the sound of the laughter.
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We already cleared this up but I'll repeat what happened. We were both fighting AI on the same side in WOP when this ACE shot me while I was shooting AI. Once I knew he was attacking me he died a few times without hitting me again.
I've answered all his questions, he didn't like the answers.
I offered to train him and we met in the TA but after a short conversation he stalled, spun in, and left. I haven't seen him since. I offered to duel 1v1 after he started claiming he defeated me but he wasn't interested.
Based on his posts I believe this is a delusional person with mental illness. He's welcome to play but posting lies is unacceptable.
The reason he's mad at me is because I said I don't think he knows ACM or how to fly. My opinion hasn't changed.
Yeah cashing in ones 401k to pirate AH3 with the current market conditions is delusional! :old:
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Sorry shifty shuff.. i no longer respect you. You are fake.
After your attack on HiTech, I really do not care what you like or dislike. Your opinion means nothing.
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Shuffler is easy to find in the Melee. Just follow the sound of the laughter.
Don't forget the trail of burnt P-38J parts scattered about. :D