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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SAAMIAM on February 25, 2020, 07:30:21 AM
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HO - Head On, HO'ing - head oning??
We don't do HO's. HOing is bad etiquette. The blank blank HO'd me dangit!,
So here is my thoughts on the matter, my approach to HO's and when I call a pilot a Ho..
We all know HO means Head On. Yes. But lets examine it a bit deeper. When 2 pilots engage in a dog fight 9 out of 10 times they are usually facing eachother at distance. As they merge plot 1 breaks one way, the other guy the other way. Be it up and over, or left or right, both pilots are jockeying for a six position on the other. What ends up happening is the 2 pilots end up coming back around into a HO position repeatedly.
Now the examples i just gave above I do not call a HO, I call it 2 pilots trying to get firing solution on the other. I dont have any issue with this by any means and when Im in my BF110 or HE 152, I will try to shoot you in the face as we pass and at each end over as we find our selves coming face to face again, ill try again to shoot you in the face.
Either you will kill me or I will kill you or we both miss and go around again. I am ok with this because for me, I am going to maintain my arc and flight path and although we are coming at eachother, we will not collide.
The guy I call a HO is the jerk that will intentionally alter his arc or flight path so he collides with you because he doesnt have a shot. That guy is a HO in my opinion. Coming straight at me from 6k and at 1k we each start firing. Then at the last second you pull up or down, altering your path to ram me because you didnt have a shot.. thats a HO in my opinion.
I like to fly the BF110.. i like it alot! Its got 4x20mm and 2x30mm cannons in the nose so heck yeah im going to play chicken with you. I like shooting you IN THE FAAAAACEEEEE.
But... But, i'll never alter my flight path and ram you just because you got the shot angle and I didnt..
Love it, hate it, its all good.. its my view and admitted actions regarding the issue.
Thanks for listening. Its 5:30am and im logging in to go blow some sh........ up. 😁
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Hi again, Samyam. Thanks for teaching this community about hos. Before you got here we all just thought they was hookers. :aok
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there was ho'ing in WWII so quit whining
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What is the definition of landing, or taking off or crashing or compressing; its all the same with no different interpretations.
Most people look to "interpretations" to allow them to act how they like. Only the community comes up with *rules* and *regulations* to try to enhance the experience of combat and these community made guidelines are gifts in their own right.
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A head on shot may not be your best choice but if it's the only shot you're going to get you should take it.
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Coming straight at me from 6k and at 1k we each start firing. Then at the last second you pull up or down, altering your path to ram me because you didnt have a shot.. thats a HO in my opinion.
If you both start firing are you not also doing the HO? And why did you not alter your course to not collided?
HiTech
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A HO is a low aspect engagement that you lost.
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I still say winding up in a position where the bad guy can shoot you is commonly called "losing the fight".
Wiley.
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Anyone that commits to an HO will also shoot at any other angle.
Think about it.
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Anyone that commits to an HO will also shoot at any other angle.
Think about it.
What you mean lag turns can be a good thing?
HiTech
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It is usually an engagement I lost whilst I was looking at the front end of my enemy.... I do cheat and look behind though so I see all the hobags that kill me
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Avoid the HO at all cost. You have a 90% chance of dying and a 95% chance at least of being damaged. (Made up stats but go ahead and try me :old: )
If you collide. It's no one else's fault but your own.
After the first merge, if you avoided the HO, you already have the advantage during the first emmilman. If you both come around and are nose facing each other, you had better go nose down and turn left or right to get under their nose with an angle, then pull up as you pass to catch the angle and do another emmilman. Normally, if they are trying to shoot you in the face, they will be at the disadvantage and you will gain the 6 easily.
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What you mean lag turns can be a good thing?
HiTech
How do you lag a straight approach?
Best to lead turn and trade the bandit a bad shot for good position.
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If you turn before the merge and you have an equal or more maneuverable fighter then you have THE advantage and will get on his six.
If you have a faster aircraft, then avoid his HO shot and extend so you can get altitude. Nothing wrong with
BnZ.
Luftwaffe pilots studied the Dicta Boelcke for a reason. Stay alive and land those kills.
:salute
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IMO a head on is when both aircraft have a firing solution.
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How do you lag a straight approach?
Best to lead turn and trade the bandit a bad shot for good position.
I was referring to the shoot at other angles.
HiTech
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Three words. Flight path separation.
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A girl who decorates her barn like a potatohouse.
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A girl who decorates her barn like a potatohouse.
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IMO a head on is when both aircraft have a firing solution.
That's a good definition. It respects the front quarter shot.
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HO - Head On, HO'ing - head oning??
We don't do HO's. HOing is bad etiquette. The blank blank HO'd me dangit!,
So here is my thoughts on the matter, my approach to HO's and when I call a pilot a Ho..
We all know HO means Head On. Yes. But lets examine it a bit deeper. When 2 pilots engage in a dog fight 9 out of 10 times they are usually facing eachother at distance. As they merge plot 1 breaks one way, the other guy the other way. Be it up and over, or left or right, both pilots are jockeying for a six position on the other. What ends up happening is the 2 pilots end up coming back around into a HO position repeatedly.
Now the examples i just gave above I do not call a HO, I call it 2 pilots trying to get firing solution on the other. I dont have any issue with this by any means and when Im in my BF110 or HE 152, I will try to shoot you in the face as we pass and at each end over as we find our selves coming face to face again, ill try again to shoot you in the face.
Either you will kill me or I will kill you or we both miss and go around again. I am ok with this because for me, I am going to maintain my arc and flight path and although we are coming at eachother, we will not collide.
The guy I call a HO is the jerk that will intentionally alter his arc or flight path so he collides with you because he doesnt have a shot. That guy is a HO in my opinion. Coming straight at me from 6k and at 1k we each start firing. Then at the last second you pull up or down, altering your path to ram me because you didnt have a shot.. thats a HO in my opinion.
I like to fly the BF110.. i like it alot! Its got 4x20mm and 2x30mm cannons in the nose so heck yeah im going to play chicken with you. I like shooting you IN THE FAAAAACEEEEE.
But... But, i'll never alter my flight path and ram you just because you got the shot angle and I didnt..
Love it, hate it, its all good.. its my view and admitted actions regarding the issue.
Thanks for listening. Its 5:30am and im logging in to go blow some sh........ up. 😁
To me, a HO is just that, a head on PASS. Now to fire on a HO is the question I have. ;) Id rather not fire in a HO. Im looking for a "fight", not a joust. If your playing to fight why try to end it on a 50-50 pass? Will I HO? sure! If you send tracers at me, I know you dont want to fight and will give you the biggest face full from 200 out you could want. Planes are free. If your flying for kills, I guess flying a cannon heavy bird like the 110 and HOin everything in sight is one way to go about it.
In your example above I dont look at it as "both pilots are jockeying for a six position on the other", I look at it as both pilots maneuvering to avoid getting a guy on their 6. You cant shoot a guy when he is behind you. If your at 1000 out and the bad guy is still centered up on your sight, your not looking for a fight, you should already be in a maneuver.
As for the rams, thats all your fault. If your driving your plane strait down his barrels to load up on him there is a VERY good chance your not going to be able to avoid him. You do understand how the game works in a collision right? If you avoid a collision on what you see on your screen you can not collide. Trying to collide on purpose is pretty hard to do consistently. If you look out a are flying wing tip to wing tip with another guy, he could see you a couple plane lengths away at the very same time.
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I'm probably a naughty boy but generally will only ho when I have no real advantage or it is a desperate situation like trying to prevent a base take
I like to hit bombers in a ho when I can though. Best way to get them imo
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The easiest way for fighter jocks to kill bombers.
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For me it's when two aircraft can fire on each other.
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i only ho those who aim their plane at me, otherwise it's a front quarter shot.
semp
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I would just fly the AR 234 and wouldn’t have any problems being called a Ho, or Ho’er ! Just give them my 6 and Poof! How you like them apples? Lol
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I fly the Yak 9T and HO deliberately. That 37mm can make a mess of you from 3k out, I think the longest HO hit I had was from 1.5k (I think it was JD66), cut his pony in half.
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I would just fly the AR 234 and wouldn’t have any problems being called a Ho, or Ho’er ! Just give them my 6 and Poof! How you like them apples? Lol
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Nkl5 you coming back?
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IMO a head on is when both aircraft have a firing solution.
that's exactly what I was gonna say! +1
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To me, a HO is just that, a head on PASS. Now to fire on a HO is the question I have. ;) Id rather not fire in a HO. Im looking for a "fight", not a joust. If your playing to fight why try to end it on a 50-50 pass? Will I HO? sure! If you send tracers at me, I know you dont want to fight and will give you the biggest face full from 200 out you could want. Planes are free. If your flying for kills, I guess flying a cannon heavy bird like the 110 and HOin everything in sight is one way to go about it.
In your example above I dont look at it as "both pilots are jockeying for a six position on the other", I look at it as both pilots maneuvering to avoid getting a guy on their 6. You cant shoot a guy when he is behind you. If your at 1000 out and the bad guy is still centered up on your sight, your not looking for a fight, you should already be in a maneuver.
As for the rams, thats all your fault. If your driving your plane strait down his barrels to load up on him there is a VERY good chance your not going to be able to avoid him. You do understand how the game works in a collision right? If you avoid a collision on what you see on your screen you can not collide. Trying to collide on purpose is pretty hard to do consistently. If you look out a are flying wing tip to wing tip with another guy, he could see you a couple plane lengths away at the very same time.
I am with fugi!
But i got to say ppl dont understand the 110 as they should and at the right speeds and technic its beats spits in a turnfight.
HOing teaches bad habits, it doesnt make you a better pilot in the long run. Fighting for position does.
:cheers:
Fly AXIS in the May scenario. Follow the link below to read all about it :rock
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My flying style is to scissor fight a lot which means facing opponents in a lot of nose to nose merges. When the other guy takes every opportunity to fire on me during these merges I don't get upset. To me it just means that he isn't very good. I take these opportunities to throw in a last second guns evasion manoeuvre and then lead turn him. This gains me angles each time until the point where I can shoot him before he can get a guns solution on me. If that is still a front quarter shot from his POV and he whines about me being a HOer it doesn't bother me either. Players who constantly whine about HOs are basically just saying "I don't know how to do guns evasion."
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HO to me is a head on shot between 11 and 1
Anything outside of that is not IMO
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Eagler
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noun INFORMAL•DEROGATORY
noun: ho; plural noun: hoes; plural noun: hos; noun: hoe
a prostitute.
OFFENSIVE
a woman.
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My flying style is to scissor fight a lot which means facing opponents in a lot of nose to nose merges.
Players who constantly whine about HOs are basically just saying "I don't know how to do guns evasion."
I don't follow. If your flying style results in a lot of nose to nose facing, how is that evading his guns?
I will scissor only if I believe that I can cut inside him so only I get a guns solution.
If I were to wind up in a scissors with you where we were approaching nose to nose I would break off the potential HO situation immediately.
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You cut the rest of my paragraph in that quote where I explained that I use a guns avoidance manoeuvre to avoid getting shot on each merge and then lead turn him. So while he is busy shooting into thin air I have reversed my turn and am gaining angles on him. If I see someone gaining separation on a nose to nose merge rather taking a risky snap shot then I know I am up against a competent opponent and I have to try something else.
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I routinely fly the A6M5b and prefer turn-fighting. On the initial merge I avoid the HO (which I just consider good gamesmanship). However, after the initial merge the "knife fight" is on and any shot I think I can get a hit with is fair game.
What I see a lot of are players who think they are "boom and zoomers", but fail to keep the pressure on their target. Instead they zoom up, level out, circle around for over ten seconds, then dive in again. With these "jousters" I will wait till they finally decide to make another run at me. I turn into them with a little separation, kick full rudder to obtain a front quarter shot and fire. Then start the cries of being "HOed". If they turned up their aggression (a key trait of a good fighter pilot) my ability to turn into them would be reduced.
The HO was a realistic fact of WWII aerial combat, just as flying without tracers was. So those that engage in it need to have confidence in their marksmanship/aircraft. As stated before in this thread it takes two to HO. If you lose then the blame is yours.
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So, for you, after the merge a ho is fine.
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So, for you, after the merge a ho is fine.
Yes. This is a fight to the simulated death. As others have stated the HO is a risky shot, but dogfighting is all about risk management. Players claiming they should only be shot at beyond the 10 to 2 o'clock position should avoid engaging a target within that position range. If the target turns into you, then you have the choice of engaging or disengaging.
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The thatch weave which was developed to counter the zeros tight turn was technically a HO.
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There's a difference between smart hos and bad hos too! Some are worthwhile and others should be avoided.
Outnumbered by more maneuverable and underfunded planes? Go for it. If you have all the advantages, why go with a high risk tactic?
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If you both start firing are you not also doing the HO? And why did you not alter your course to not collided?
HiTech
I think he was saying he was on a path that would not have resulted in a ram but the other guy altered his path to close the distance and ram. Doesn't really matter, my Dad's flight manual for basic combat maneuvers states that at first spotting the nme, lead should turn directly at them, Wing should move to a line abreast and decided on the tactic with witch to engage. So my Dad was trained from the get go to HO. My Dad flew P47's and P51 out of England in WWII.
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Nkl5 you coming back?
<S>atlau <S> maybe one of these days , things got real busy when grandkids came along! My wife and I have been blessed with 4 grandsons and counting! I’m a busy Pop Paw these days , my old Alienware gaming PC is still sitting there with Windows XP . I’ve never seen Windows 10 or Aces High III . Sure do miss flying and the community , Aces High got me through a lot of tough times and I had a lot of good friends that I miss .
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:salute nickle5
Hope to see you back soon
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Definition of a HO: When you would rather win than fly
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Definition of a HO: When you would rather win than fly
Whoa! Look who's back! Dude!
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Whoa! Look who's back! Dude!
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I never forget the amazing and generous hearted people who make up this community. Especially you sir.
Glad to see you indeed
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Batfink!!! Nice to see you sir! Hope all's well at your end of the world. Come back and see us...I need your training help as I still suck after all these years! :old: :salute
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Batfink!!! Nice to see you sir! Hope all's well at your end of the world. Come back and see us...I need your training help as I still suck after all these years! :old: :salute
Max! I would be surprised if I even know how to take off without augering now. At least if I can fly a SpitV I might stand a chance of not spinning into the ground. Life is good, we have a boy now, 2.5 years old, another one baking in the oven, should be a girl. Found a hobby that takes even more of our time than fighting but is somehow related, jumping out of planes. Pretty much the only thing I could train anyone for now is bailing out.
Still get the itch sometimes, AH is surely the greatest game I ever played.
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:salute Batfink, good to see you sir. Congrats on the little ones.
Your definition of a ho is spot on.
:cheers:
Sik
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Max! I would be surprised if I even know how to take off without augering now. At least if I can fly a SpitV I might stand a chance of not spinning into the ground. Life is good, we have a boy now, 2.5 years old, another one baking in the oven, should be a girl. Found a hobby that takes even more of our time than fighting but is somehow related, jumping out of planes. Pretty much the only thing I could train anyone for now is bailing out.
Still get the itch sometimes, AH is surely the greatest game I ever played.
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You Batfink! Glad to hear you are doing well have a good family now! You gotta train them in AH when they are old enough haha. Awesome you are still flying. I bet your wife loves that LOL. Wish I could get into that kind of stuff. Seems so cool. Must be some real freedom flying thru the air like that. Will be pretty cool once you get the youngans up there with ya. Best to you out there. :rock :salute
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Just the perspective from the enemy and your cockpit can be different so we usually not talking about the same picture. Each pilot sees his own picture and bases his ho-no-ho decision on his picture. Similar to collisions, its not just two planes.
Just my silly opinion.
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What is the big deal?
HOing was a valid tactic used by many/ most pilots during WW2
If you don't want to participate in one be sure to change your flight path to stay out of the other guys front end.
What you don't want to do is think the other player will not ho as stats show the opposite.
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Eagler
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Just the perspective from the enemy and your cockpit can be different so we usually not talking about the same picture. Each pilot sees his own picture and bases his ho-no-ho decision on his picture. Similar to collisions, its not just two planes.
Just my silly opinion.
True, but that difference in angle isn't much unless both of you are turning hard. A lot of "HO" complaints are when you see the guy come straight for a shot from 3k out.
What is the big deal?
HOing was a valid tactic used by many/ most pilots during WW2
If you don't want to participate in one be sure to change your flight path to stay out of the other guys front end.
What you don't want to do is think the other player will not ho as stats show the opposite.
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Eagler
Exactly. It has always seemed to me to be insane to cross the enemy's gunsight and expect them not to pull the trigger in the Melee arena.
Wiley.
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True, but that difference in angle isn't much unless both of you are turning hard. A lot of "HO" complaints are when you see the guy come straight for a shot from 3k out.
Exactly. It has always seemed to me to be insane to cross the enemy's gunsight and expect them not to pull the trigger in the Melee arena.
Wiley.
Lately most of my flying experience, what little there is, occurs before KOTH and you are among the very, very few can relate to why I said that.
I think of jousts and hos as being similar when they just head at each other. In one circle and two circle fights you are bound to come nose to nose.
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What is the big deal?
HOing was a valid tactic used by many/ most pilots during WW2
If you don't want to participate in one be sure to change your flight path to stay out of the other guys front end.
What you don't want to do is think the other player will not ho as stats show the opposite.
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Eagler
USAAF pilots in the Pacific used head on attacks as one of the preferred tactics. Surprisingly, the Japanese army and naval pilots did not prefer to use head on tactics if 8t could be avoided and would try to break away if the US fighter was going for the HO.
The head on attack was the preferred tactic for Richard Bong.
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It's not a HO it;s a John Wayne merge!
Heya Bat,long time no hear.
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USAAF pilots in the Pacific used head on attacks as one of the preferred tactics. Surprisingly, the Japanese army and naval pilots did not prefer to use head on tactics if 8t could be avoided and would try to break away if the US fighter was going for the HO.
The head on attack was the preferred tactic for Richard Bong.
In the middle of the audio book "Race of Aces" now which is all about Bong and the other Pacific Aces
Great book
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Eagler
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there was ho'ing in WWII so quit whining
very rare! Only enabled as a policy in the Pacific Theater against gas cans with the slow f4f as it couldn’t dog fight them and could absorb hits from Zekes. May be the F6 f was included, not sure. Lord knows the “aces” didn’t do it, bad odds.
Funny thing a ho in aces high is pitifully easy to avoid. with two airvraft coming head with closure above 300 and closer to 500 no one can make a gun solution if one jinks to the side, a radical turn would black you out and other than a snapshot a hit is unlikely. So break inside and jink back to his 340 line and problem solved also another valid tactic is a lead turn. I won’t get into how that is done read a book? Now if I have someone trying to clear his bro’ 12, I will ho away and try to get at least one kill. The big problem is as mentioned that guy that will just ram you out of frustration! Just gotta live with that, at least u ain’t dead for real!
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The russians and germans both actively engaged in Head Ons (and ramming tactics)
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very rare! Only enabled as a policy in the Pacific Theater against gas cans with the slow f4f as it couldn’t dog fight them and could absorb hits from Zekes. May be the F6 f was included, not sure. Lord knows the “aces” didn’t do it, bad odds.
Funny thing a ho in aces high is pitifully easy to avoid. with two airvraft coming head with closure above 300 and closer to 500 no one can make a gun solution if one jinks to the side, a radical turn would black you out and other than a snapshot a hit is unlikely. So break inside and jink back to his 340 line and problem solved also another valid tactic is a lead turn. I won’t get into how that is done read a book? Now if I have someone trying to clear his bro’ 12, I will ho away and try to get at least one kill. The big problem is as mentioned that guy that will just ram you out of frustration! Just gotta live with that, at least u ain’t dead for real!
Please read Race of Aces and you will find Bong HO'd in his 38
As did the other Aces in the race
Great book, highly recommend
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Eagler
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Ho, Holmium, rare element of the lanthanide series
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Holmium was discovered in 1878 by Marc Delafontaine <-- Most awesome surname ever
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:noid
Ho, Holmium, rare element of the lanthanide series
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Holmium was discovered in 1878 by Marc Delafontaine <-- Most awesome surname ever
:noid :noid :noid
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I'm reading a book called Race for acres and the US P-38 pilots Ho Japanese Planes in the pacific and they had a maneuver tactic for this. The Japanese were afraid of our P-38 until they came out with the 109's
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I'm reading a book called Race for acres and the US P-38 pilots Ho Japanese Planes in the pacific and they had a maneuver tactic for this. The Japanese were afraid of our P-38 until they came out with the 109's
Umm... Japanese didn't fly Bf109's.
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HO=Head On.
Regardless of how you got there, you are now going head to head with another aircraft.
Either get the hell out of the way, or start firing.
Don't come in here and cry about 'that was a ho'.
Coogan
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Umm... Japanese didn't fly Bf109's.
I have a picture my Grandfather took in the far East in 1944 of a used an abused Japanese 109E.
I think they were very rare when they were used.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/264689133983760385/688150857799434245/FarEstPhoto44.jpg?width=914&height=609)
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Umm... Japanese didn't fly Bf109's.
The Japanese had a flying B-17 with Imperial markings.
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The Japanese had a flying B-17 with Imperial markings.
more than one apparently,
https://www.historynet.com/japans-fleet-flying-forts.htm
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Tony? Was sort of a 109.
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Umm... Japanese didn't fly Bf109's.
The germans did when they bombed pearl harbor
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And when we stormed the beaches at Normandy against the Japanese!
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Charlie don't surf.
...wait what?
Wiley.
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And when we stormed the beaches at Normandy against the Japanese!
Close. There were two Koreans conscripted into the Wehrmacht. They had been captured after being conscripted into the Soviet Red Army. In turn, they had been captured after being conscripted into the Japanese Imperial Army.
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Umm... Japanese didn't fly Bf109's.
BAHH
Somebody beat me to it
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BAHH
Somebody beat me to it
If you read Race of Aces you will see many pilots thought they did
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Eagler
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I dont know what my definition of a HO is but you are my definition of a dk head :x :x
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DOH!
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I dont know what my definition of a HO is but you are my definition of a dk head :x :x
No Rag, I'm a speaker of truth. Let me guess, you are one of those really cool guys that vulches or picks a guy upping and then runs like moses to go hide in your ack.. great tactic there chief. 👍👍👍 nothing better than spending 20 to 30 minutes per sortie chasing wwii's greatest fighter plane the 190 because he is too cowardly to fight.
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sorry buddy but i dont play in the main arena so you're wrong.
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If you both start firing are you not also doing the HO? And why did you not alter your course to not collided?
HiTech
Apparently you did not read my post but skimmed it only otherwise you would have not asked that question. For clarity, when to pilots are oncoming, two good pilots anyway, they are not actually on a collision course. As they near eachother, they each take shots, if one has firing solution he scores, if not, he continues his path to near miss and continues jockying. OR, he pulls a ramrod move and alters his course to ram you.. and yes, My path is never on a pure collision course. It is always as a near miss, as it should be. Its the ramrod that will always intentionally veer into me. And that, you can not avoid.
Furthermore, I HO in a BF110, LA5, I16, and TA152.. not exactly the best turning fighter so trying to set up a move to get on the atypical yak3, spit8,14,16, 109,190 isnt gonna happen. Not with these killers.
BTW Dale, I have been asking for a VR Flyable Tempest for over a year now.. don't you think its time to let me play with all the same aircraft as everybody else?
For the record.. I'm a good dude, I lobbied the USAF for a partnership in the world cup and actually got it. All centered around your game. Your community and the growth of VR. Oculus was putting up most of the $100,000 prize pool and if it would have been a success, I was looking at $5M in funding from the Armed Forces initiative for recruitment through esports.
I told you about it 18months ago, tried many times to get a call or meeting with you. I even offered to help you with the VR bugs since you get sick every time you put on the headset. I praised you, defended you and after a year I cant even get a simple update to make the tempest playable??
I'm a former Marine STA Operator and damn proud of it and I know im not the only one here with combat experience or ptsd and im not the only one who is sick to death of this society of 9 second attention span, social justice trolls where integrity seems to be in short supply and boomers are vilified for calling out BS.
My post WAS called for and I stand by my words of telling you to play your game. Not to shoot you down, but so you can waste 30 minute sorties chasing cowards across the map only to die in their ack or get picked by his stratosphere buddy just waiting to ambush you.
The worst part is Im now seeing posts about this very issue dating back as far as 2017.. you want my advice? No? Here it is anyway. Close the melee arena. Start fresh and poll the community and see what your paying customers would like to see. After 20 years I think these guys have more invested in aces high than you do. They earned it and they deserve it. Not for me. Im just the noob that sees the VR potential and has the knowhow to bring the pieces together to make it happen.
As it is right now, there is no way I can present this to the Air Force or FGC Arena in Vegas. Timing was perfect with TopGun 2, The new initiative with the Armed Forces and the adoption of VR. Its just too bad you dont care anymore. That is glaringly obvious by the joke you made about me in your reply to my post.
I guess im the sucker because Im still chasing the cowardly 190 bishops across the map everyday.. Now Im recording it so next week I can send you a six hour video of rooks chasing vulchers across the map.. daily.
FounderJeff aka saamiam aka dkhead
I'de rather be a dk head than a lying mofo..
#nvrun, #shootuintheface, #deadlyace
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sammiam, hitec has God mode that some use in some scenarios. don't you think he pops in and out without anybody noticing? he has the ability of talking to everybody if he so chooses it. and what makes you think, he doesn't have an account that he may use to fly incognito.
if you don't enjoy the game then leave. but you know why you won't. you want a confrontation so you can justify your leaving. and you want people to believe that you were the one who offered to "save the game".
semp
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He's a fake entertaining himself. Don't buy into it.
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He's a fake entertaining himself. Don't buy into it.
Snicker
Howdy Bug :salute
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FounderJeff aka saamiam aka dkhead
I'de rather be a dk head than a lying mofo..
#nvrun, #shootuintheface, #deadlyace
I would certainly never call you a liar. ;)
Coogan
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Hey Saamiam, it's a valiant effort and I admire your conviction and self belief. However you're about 15 years too late. This brave outburst would have created so much fun back in those days. These days, we just can't seem, as a community, to find the energy to go full retard with you today.
S!
batfink