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Title: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Ramesis on April 01, 2020, 03:29:36 PM
Just had a conversation with my son-in-law... wow! He has stocked up with 1000 rounds of 223, 500 rounds of 9mm handgun AND rifle rounds, 5 boxes of 12 ga shotgun rounds, sawed 1 shotgun off about half its length and not to mention he has 4 modified AR-15s and 2 .45s with 600 rounds of ammo He invited my wife and me to hold up at their house if something happened Silly me, I have 1 Glock Gen 19 9mm hand gun that I have only fired 1 clip of 15 rounds from I told him, IF it comes down to it, he'd better call first or I'd not ask questions and pop whoever entered our house This Covid19 thing is getting Waaaay out of hand simply because of the media
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2020, 03:33:58 PM
i have like 9 bullets for 2 guns. i read the same media, I'm set.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: CptTrips on April 01, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
He has stocked up with 1000 rounds of 223, 500 rounds of 9mm handgun AND rifle rounds, 5 boxes of 12 ga shotgun rounds, sawed 1 shotgun off about half its length and not to mention he has 4 modified AR-15s and 2 .45s with 600 rounds of ammo
That wouldn't even get a self-respecting Texan through a 3 day July 4th weekend.
Even if you slowed him down with a case of beer.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Spikes on April 01, 2020, 03:50:03 PM
Just had a conversation with my son-in-law... wow! He has stocked up with 1000 rounds of 223, 500 rounds of 9mm handgun AND rifle rounds, 5 boxes of 12 ga shotgun rounds, sawed 1 shotgun off about half its length and not to mention he has 4 modified AR-15s and 2 .45s with 600 rounds of ammo He invited my wife and me to hold up at their house if something happened Silly me, I have 1 Glock Gen 19 9mm hand gun that I have only fired 1 clip of 15 rounds from I told him, IF it comes down to it, he'd better call first or I'd not ask questions and pop whoever entered our house This Covid19 thing is getting Waaaay out of hand simply because of the media
What does he expect to need all that ammo for?
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: snugar109 on April 01, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
He has stocked up with 1000 rounds of 223, 500 rounds of 9mm handgun AND rifle rounds, 5 boxes of 12 ga shotgun rounds, sawed 1 shotgun off about half its length and not to mention he has 4 modified AR-15s and 2 .45s with 600 rounds of ammo
That's a day, maybe 2, at the range :D
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Nefarious on April 01, 2020, 04:17:56 PM
Ya'll would piddle if I posted a pic of my arsenal.
I posted a pic of it several years ago here, it has grown exponentially... Just like COVID :bolt:
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Mister Fork on April 01, 2020, 04:30:02 PM
I'm more worried about covid-zombie 'Mericans' coming up North to Canuckland. I got my Lee-Enfield scoped Mk4. I'm more worried if I have to shoot this 75 year old weapon more than the people I'm shooting at. lol.
And if it does come down to that level of crazy, we have bigger issues whether or not you have enough guns or ammo. You'll probably starve to death long before that becomes a reality or someone else will kill you for what you own. And I've seen and worked in countries like that - it's not pretty cause 'he who has the biggest and most guns win' doesn't apply. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Guaranteed 100.000%.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: perdue3 on April 01, 2020, 05:20:10 PM
My son and I have stocked 50 rounds for our NERF guns. When the aliencorozombieapocalypse comes, we will make every shot count :old:
Save the last two for yourselves. You don't want to be captured alive.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Meatwad on April 01, 2020, 09:18:56 PM
I'm going to stockpile maple syrup
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 02, 2020, 07:00:36 AM
A preliminary magnitude 6.5 earthquake rattled Idaho on Tuesday with shaking felt across the region, including Washington state, Utah, Nevada and Canada.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Zimme83 on April 02, 2020, 07:45:23 AM
If you had seen what the virus does to people you should be terrified. It absolutely destroys the lungs leave people to die a very unpleasant death. If I where you i would do anything to protect myself against catching the virus. I work at a hospital so im f*cked anyway but you old folks should be really careful. Just an advice.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 02, 2020, 08:39:03 AM
If you smoke it's a good time to quit.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Chalenge on April 02, 2020, 08:51:26 AM
Just had a conversation with my son-in-law... wow! He has stocked up with 1000 rounds of 223, 500 rounds of 9mm handgun AND rifle rounds, 5 boxes of 12 ga shotgun rounds, sawed 1 shotgun off about half its length and not to mention he has 4 modified AR-15s and 2 .45s with 600 rounds of ammo He invited my wife and me to hold up at their house if something happened Silly me, I have 1 Glock Gen 19 9mm hand gun that I have only fired 1 clip of 15 rounds from I told him, IF it comes down to it, he'd better call first or I'd not ask questions and pop whoever entered our house This Covid19 thing is getting Waaaay out of hand simply because of the media
Many folks are prepared to some degree. There are also groups around the country. We actually have a neighborhood group to protect our food, water, and other supplies. Your son has a good start but this virus is just a drop in the bucket. This is hardly what we prep for. It does help when some supplies at stores run low.
This will awaken some on why we prep.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Eagler on April 02, 2020, 12:31:04 PM
The economic aftermath will make the virus damage look pathetically weak in comparison
By that time we are at 30% unemployment . .
Do you realize the gov is setting up unemployment to equal a $15 an hour 40 week payout regardless of how little one made when working?
You are going to have millions signing up for this tax $$ funded " raise"?
Good luck getting them back into the workforce anytime soon.
Same time gov printing billions more for small businesses to account for their loss of business in an attempt for them to keep their people employed
Burning the candle from both ends
Nothing wrong can happen here..
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 02, 2020, 12:32:17 PM
Many folks are prepared to some degree. There are also groups around the country. We actually have a neighborhood group to protect our food, water, and other supplies. Your son has a good start but this virus is just a drop in the bucket. This is hardly what we prep for. It does help when some supplies at stores run low.
This will awaken some on why we prep.
Good planning. If it ever gets so bad that you need to shoot you need to be in a group big enough to handle the gangs that will form to rob you. :aok
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Ramesis on April 02, 2020, 03:24:23 PM
Good planning. If it ever gets so bad that you need to shoot you need to be in a group big enough to handle the gangs that will form to rob you. :aok
Exactly. Some ammunition is for hunting... if whatever happens allows. You don't think folks stockpile for just hunting. Your most important ability is to protect your sources.
Having supplies to get started is but a small part of the puzzle.
You are seeing how I'll prepared most folks are now. This is hardly a blip on the scale. Fail to plan, plan to fail.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Bruv119 on April 03, 2020, 01:24:59 AM
I don't have any opinion on American gun control.
So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: 1stpar3 on April 03, 2020, 03:26:50 AM
So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?
Yes, pretty much! Hope it doesnt go this route but desperate folk do desperate things. Look at what happened in Ferguson,Mo. and Baltimore,Md riots. All some need is an excuse. At least I am not a seller of Hair Extensions. Those 2 events make a very valid point...if folk can go crazy about non-essentials, what should you expect them to do for the Essential stuff. Goes for everyone and every place. Most would probably help them out, if they had it to spare, I believe however Pride would make that a lot harder for some to ask for help. So makes theft a REAL possibility. Not to mention the fact that, we as Americans find ourselves in a VERY divided society along just about any issue you could imagine. This could get real bad here and in a HURRY :uhoh For me, it is no different than having a "House Fire Evac or Flood or Tornado" exit/shelter plan. I would be remiss in my duty as Head of Household, if I didnt prepare for this situation
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 03, 2020, 09:46:51 AM
So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?
At the point we are talking, those not prepared will be dead or dieing. Your question leads me to believe you will not have to worry about it for long. What we prepare for will undoubtedly affect your country too.
It is insurance. We have it and hope to never have to use it.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 09:52:56 AM
So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?
I have opinions about UK knife control.
One of the responses here to the current crises is letting criminals out of jail. There is also a trend to reform bail where criminals are caught and released immediately so the only penalty they see is a brief interruption in criminal activity.
If you have no violent crime in the UK that's awesome but we have a few people here who will hurt you to steal from you. Our constitution recognizes the right to have the means to stop them.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Nefarious on April 03, 2020, 10:11:49 AM
So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?
Yes.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 03, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?
No. I don't share that wet dream.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 11:02:22 AM
Do you have a better plan for stopping a violent criminal? Like offering them job training?
I don't plan to encounter violent criminals. I don't fantasize nor do I fixate on such. I find that anyone who has been preparing for such for years tends to reach a point in their lives where they are either forced to consider how much of a waste of time it all was or they take active measures to prove it wasn't. I've a good friend who is very much like a brother to me (same hometown, joined navy together, etc) who convinced himself that he needed an arsenal of exotic weaponry to 'keep his family safe' and his excuse was that an older member of his church was a victim of violent crime in her own home. It was a horrible event but it didn't turn our small Texas town into a war zone.
I think that for less than half the cost of his collection I could move the family from a prospective war zone (obviously, it really isn't one). He'd not be facing as much of a money crunch, either. If it's all about hunting for food, one may find a better investment in archery than ammo.
I still love him and if we were ever actually put in a 'here comes the hordes, we gotta mow `em down' situation, I'm sure he'd have a weapon to spare so I can cover his back. But I'm thinkin' I'm being a bit more realistic when it comes down to this pandemic situation and my priorities involve other things than ammo for my AR-15, AK-47, Soviet model sniper gun, etc. Canned food, comes to mind. And, yes, part of the survival - of society - would be thinking about being helpful to strangers in need and not being focused on how many of them I could kill because, well, I'm scared.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 03, 2020, 11:31:20 AM
I don't plan to encounter violent criminals. I don't fantasize nor do I fixate on such. I find that anyone who has been preparing for such for years tends to reach a point in their lives where they are either forced to consider how much of a waste of time it all was or they take active measures to prove it wasn't. I've a good friend who is very much like a brother to me (same hometown, joined navy together, etc) who convinced himself that he needed an arsenal of exotic weaponry to 'keep his family safe' and his excuse was that an older member of his church was a victim of violent crime in her own home. It was a horrible event but it didn't turn our small Texas town into a war zone.
I think that for less than half the cost of his collection I could move the family from a prospective war zone (obviously, it really isn't one). He'd not be facing as much of a money crunch, either. If it's all about hunting for food, one may find a better investment in archery than ammo.
I still love him and if we were ever actually put in a 'here comes the hordes, we gotta mow `em down' situation, I'm sure he'd have a weapon to spare so I can cover his back. But I'm thinkin' I'm being a bit more realistic when it comes down to this pandemic situation and my priorities involve other things than ammo for my AR-15, AK-47, Soviet model sniper gun, etc. Canned food, comes to mind. And, yes, part of the survival - of society - would be thinking about being helpful to strangers in need and not being focused on how many of them I could kill because, well, I'm scared.
Fail to plan, plan to fail.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 03, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
No mistake. I take the motivation implied and the immediate reaction into account. If it's all about killing others as your primary means for survival then the 'preparedness' is fear based (unless, of course, it's just plain psycho based).
Back to the question:
"So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?"
First .... thoughts.
There was more than one immediate yes response. It would have been nice to have seen a more reserved 'Well, not first, so much, but it lingers somewhere after meeting all my family's needs in a potential shortage of survival necessities.'
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 12:38:31 PM
Arlo you have two plans. Run away, and let somebody else deal with it. That's fine. But there is no reason to imply that gun owners have a sexual fetish about guns. I have stopped violent criminals with and without guns. I know which works better. Your assumption that guns require killing to stop criminal behavior is nonsense and ignores the fact that guns usually prevent violence from starting.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 03, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
No mistake. I take the motivation implied and the immediate reaction into account. If it's all about killing others as your primary means for survival then the 'preparedness' is fear based (unless, of course, it's just plain psycho based).
Back to the question:
"So your first thoughts in this situation are, I need my guns and ammo to protect my family and loved ones from OTHER Americans who now more than ever are likely to steal my stuff?"
First .... thoughts.
There was more than one immediate yes response. It would have been nice to have seen a more reserved 'Well, not first, so much, but it lingers somewhere after meeting all my family's needs in a potential shortage of survival necessities.'
Yes you are mistaken. Simple as that. I do not need a wall of text to explain it. It is that simple.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 03, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
Yes you are mistaken. Simple as that. I do not need a wall of text to explain it. It is that simple.
If you don't feel inclined to explain it (or can't) then why bother posting a response, at all? It'd be even simpler not to post, in essence, 'you're wrong and I'm right, so there!'
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hitech on April 03, 2020, 01:20:34 PM
Always Be Prepared. Also was considering the line I'm good on TP, but may need more ammo.
If you don't feel inclined to explain it (or can't) then why bother posting a response, at all? It'd be even simpler not to post, in essence, 'you're wrong and I'm right, so there!'
Ok... I am not in fear in the least. Those in our group are not in fear. We are prepared to support our families and protect them. Just like having insurance, we hope to never use it.... but have it if we need it.
Very simple. No wall of text.
You are mistaken.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 01:39:59 PM
Q: Why do you need more ammo than TP?
A: I don't need to practice with the TP.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hitech on April 03, 2020, 01:52:14 PM
If you don't feel inclined to explain it (or can't) then why bother posting a response, at all? It'd be even simpler not to post, in essence, 'you're wrong and I'm right, so there!'
1. Fact there is more then a 0% chance that there will be civil unrest.
2. The chance of civil unrest during one persons life time is far higher then you might guess.
3. I would much rather be in the position of having a gun and never needing it, then needing a gun and not having it.
I also think panic buying in times like these are dumb.
Shortly after the closings I went to academy to buy some ammo to head to the range. Normal day at range I do 400 - 700 rounds of 22lr. The 22 mag speed loader is amazing.
I was shocked to find the shelves nearly empty. One couple had a box of 22 in there hands looking at it. So I asked them what they shoot. Their answer was a 22. (so I scratch my head) . What kind of 22 I ask. "A rifle" he responds. (ok no I'm think I'm starting to understand) Next I ask what rife. The answer was I'm not sure ,we just purchased it, and it was all they had left.
At that point I thought about asking them to go to range with me to learn about guns?
HiTech
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
I worry about first time buyers who aren't learning from a qualified trainer but they've watched a lot of movies and TV shows.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 03, 2020, 02:28:52 PM
1. Fact there is more then a 0% chance that there will be civil unrest.
2. The chance of civil unrest during one persons life time is far higher then you might guess.
3. I would much rather be in the position of having a gun and never needing it, then needing a gun and not having it.
I also think panic buying in times like these are dumb.
Shortly after the closings I went to academy to buy some ammo to head to the range. Normal day at range I do 400 - 700 rounds of 22lr. The 22 mag speed loader is amazing.
I was shocked to find the shelves nearly empty. One couple had a box of 22 in there hands looking at it. So I asked them what they shoot. Their answer was a 22. (so I scratch my head) . What kind of 22 I ask. "A rifle" he responds. (ok no I'm think I'm starting to understand) Next I ask what rife. The answer was I'm not sure ,we just purchased it, and it was all they had left.
At that point I thought about asking them to go to range with me to learn about guns?
HiTech
A lot of folks purchasing guns for the first time. Many may be just like that couple. While we are always careful at the range, after times like these, we need to be even more careful. These folks have to learn the basics and you have to watch them at the range. It is also a good chance to offer some good advice so they develop good habits when handling their arms. Many of us learned as kids... we all started somewhere. It is never too late to learn.
I have taken quite a few folks to the range for their first sessions. It never gets old watching their faces as they fire their first round. Watching as they become more comfortable with their gun of choice and their confidence increasing as they learn to handle it safely and securely.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Mister Fork on April 03, 2020, 05:47:16 PM
[Larry the Cable Guy voice on]You need to 3 quick mods to your weapon there Hitech to make it more useful for urban defense.
#1 - get a shorter barrel. 11" faxon would do. What you hunting? 65 year old cougars in heels running from a casino 250 yards away? #2 - you also need a forward grip for under that barrel. Ole stubby or pistol style. Makes it steady for quick-snapshot adjustments when you're holding up a KFC. #3 - small scope. 2.5X. Let me tell you, the ability to drown out the wife visually while she's freaking out like a flappin chickin while yer openin up on a group of urbal hipsters, worth every penny.
Other than that, get yerself a good drinking hat that holds two beers, ya'll set.
[/Larry off] :D
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hitech on April 03, 2020, 06:19:25 PM
Right now I have other desires with the gun fund. Tack solution barrel and compensator for my buckmark and a s&w 686-2 6" just because the trigger gets me excited when I shoot.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: bustr on April 03, 2020, 06:39:05 PM
Everyone thought the Chinese Gov sanitized all the available reports about the source of COVID-19. I found this archived, and if I did, our gov has it also. This suggests on the surface the Chinese suck at simple safety protocols for infectious disease handling. At least they were studying bat carried pathogens to protect their population since they constantly have problems with new outbreaks. I suspect they fudged up and being communist, had to carry on fudging up to protect the party image. If this is true and not an unknown virus came out of the wild by accident, every country affected has grounds to demand compensation.
With all due respect HiTech, this statement is way beneath a man of your intelligence. Admittedly a large number of people die everyday; we're all going to fly west at some point. There's an unseen serial killer taking lives on a global scale. It took 4 years of WW2 to take approximately 415,000 American lives. This war against a microbe has the potential to kill at a far faster rate. All people, not just Americans have to take this fight seriously.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Busher on April 03, 2020, 06:49:25 PM
I suspect they fudged up and being communist, had to carry on fudging up to protect the party image. If this is true and not an unknown virus came out of the wild by accident, every country affected has grounds to demand compensation.
Right now I have other desires with the gun fund. Tack solution barrel and compensator for my buckmark and a s&w 686-2 6" just because the trigger gets me excited when I shoot.
The 6" 686 with .38 wadcutters is a pure joy to shoot.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: bustr on April 03, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
If you were Xi, and a communist, with our knowledge of communists and big boo boos. Would you admit your country made a boo boo that even the world court would throw the book at you over?
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hitech on April 03, 2020, 07:23:47 PM
With all due respect HiTech, this statement is way beneath a man of your intelligence. Admittedly a large number of people die everyday; we're all going to fly west at some point. There's an unseen serial killer taking lives on a global scale. It took 4 years of WW2 to take approximately 415,000 American lives. This war against a microbe has the potential to kill at a far faster rate. All people, not just Americans have to take this fight seriously.
My point is not to down play it,simply to point out the absurdity of death count comparisons.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Busher on April 03, 2020, 07:29:23 PM
Your point is the Chinese communist party is more reliable?
Do you get your news from CNN?
No Sir, my point is that the drivel that emanates from all the various thrones around this world is questionable at the very best. Those people most capable of leading do not want the job.
Who cares what any of them said? This world is in danger; not from political ideological differences but from an unseen attacker that cares not whether you speak English German or Cantonese. The talking head narcissists will spin this issue in any way that makes them look good while Scientists, Doctors and Immunologists work to find a solution. Of course, when this passes and I pray it does pass, those talking heads be happy to take credit for their management of the situation; all while finding blame to re-establish the divisions among us that serve them so well.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 03, 2020, 07:34:36 PM
The world is in danger from ignorant folks. Cooler heads will prevail. Most folks, even if they get it, will have little problem. Some will require hospitalization, some will die. It has happened many times before.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Meatwad on April 03, 2020, 07:45:45 PM
Speaking of ignorance....some idiot goes into a gas station and sticks his head under the plexiglass "curtain" that was put there to protect the cashier so he can get a closer look at the scratch off tickets in the counter that he buys with a credit card. Someone else in the store asked why in the hell do you have your head under the window when you arent even supposed to be that close, which the reply was "its none of your business what I do"
Also the walmart here is starting tomorrow to only allow 5 people in the store per 1000 sq ft. So This store can only have 50 shoppers in at a time, everyone else has to queue outside and wait their turn
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 07:59:59 PM
No Sir, my point is that the drivel that emanates from all the various thrones around this world is questionable at the very best. Those people most capable of leading do not want the job.
Who cares what any of them said? This world is in danger; not from political ideological differences but from an unseen attacker that cares not whether you speak English German or Cantonese. The talking head narcissists will spin this issue in any way that makes them look good while Scientists, Doctors and Immunologists work to find a solution. Of course, when this passes and I pray it does pass, those talking heads be happy to take credit for their management of the situation; all while finding blame to re-establish the divisions among us that serve them so well.
Why trust scientists and doctors? They don't all agree, which ones do you believe and what makes you pick the ones you choose? Where do our opinions come from? What do we base our judgments on?
We are fortunate today that we can see original videos of speeches and events and documents that we can compare and contrast to the media reports. Then it becomes clear who is reporting honestly and who isn't.
I think a repressive society that denies what we recognize as basic human rights is fundamentally different and less trustworthy and that censorship and lying is different than putting a positive spin on accurate news.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Volron on April 03, 2020, 08:17:49 PM
Why trust scientists and doctors? They don't all agree, which ones do you believe and what makes you pick the ones you choose? Where do our opinions come from? What do we base our judgments on?
We are fortunate today that we can see original videos of speeches and events and documents that we can compare and contrast to the media reports. Then it becomes clear who is reporting honestly and who isn't.
I think a repressive society that denies what we recognize as basic human rights is fundamentally different and less trustworthy and that censorship and lying is different than putting a positive spin on accurate news.
Well Sir, you are free to believe who you wish and for whatever it does for you, blame who you wish.
To draw a parallel, albeit a microcosm of crisis by comparison to this disease, it was a team of scientists, physicists, and aerospace engineers that brought Jim Lovell and his crew home. What does it matter whether they all agreed? Ultimately they worked together to achieve a solution. My opinion or beliefs as to their debates during the process couldn't be more irrelevant.
As to a "positive spin on accurate news", that will only occur for me when the proven vaccine is announced by the medical community and that vaccine is in widespread distribution.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 08:45:11 PM
Your example is that we should believe the people who produce verifiable results, which is my point. :aok
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Vulcan on April 03, 2020, 08:49:04 PM
One of the responses here to the current crises is letting criminals out of jail. There is also a trend to reform bail where criminals are caught and released immediately so the only penalty they see is a brief interruption in criminal activity.
If you have no violent crime in the UK that's awesome but we have a few people here who will hurt you to steal from you. Our constitution recognizes the right to have the means to stop them.
google london acid attacks
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Busher on April 03, 2020, 09:00:59 PM
Also the walmart here is starting tomorrow to only allow 5 people in the store per 1000 sq ft. So This store can only have 50 shoppers in at a time, everyone else has to queue outside and wait their turn
Bread Lines Lite™
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2020, 10:18:08 PM
Sorry my comment was ambiguous. I don't think Bruv is in London. I'm aware of the acid attacks, and the fact that defending yourself, even in your own home, can get you in trouble. They even limit the power of pellet guns in the UK.
But it's not violent everywhere and I hope it's safe where Bruv lives.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Gman on April 03, 2020, 10:29:18 PM
Right now I have other desires with the gun fund. Tack solution barrel and compensator for my buckmark and a s&w 686-2 6" just because the trigger gets me excited when I shoot.
I've got a 686 6" a local cop that shoots PPC in the USA gave me that he had the S/W performance center do a trigger job on.
I also have 50k in .22lr ammunition alone (another 50k of 556/762/12/handgun/etc, + the million rounds my company buys every quarter from Winchester alone in the magazine at the office). If the border wasn't a giant PITA I'd boost your .22 stock up. A lot.
Agreed regarding the civil unrest - it doesn't take much. The ice storms that shut down Quebec a number of years back for example - they were a couple days away from people having NO food and other essentials due to the power being off 7 to 10 days. Few people have cash anymore on hand, and when the little plastic cards stop working due to no sparky, things move from annoying to desperate very fast. When faced with either starving or stealing, many people will steal. That will involve violence.
Luckily things are holding together in terms of food and water distributing/etc right now.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hitech on April 04, 2020, 12:03:51 AM
I've got a 686 6" a local cop that shoots PPC in the USA gave me that he had the S/W performance center do a trigger job on.
I have a six-inch Model 28, bought it for my father in 1974. Doesn't need a trigger job.
Recoil bothered me at first, but I put some Pachmayer grips on it, and now it's a dream gun. Ordinarily I'm a 1911 person, but this one shakes my assumptions.
- oldman
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hitech on April 04, 2020, 12:40:40 AM
Oldman do you have a favorite 1911?
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 04, 2020, 12:54:05 AM
I just landed 7 kills in a seafire!! :rock :banana:
Trust in our military.
God bless the United States of America.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: 1stpar3 on April 04, 2020, 01:10:35 AM
I just landed 7 kills in a seafire!! :rock :banana:
Trust in our military.
God bless the United States of America.
Not true, unless the Whines are documented :devil Thought that I was feeling a "Disturbance in the Force". Figured it was the Beans.....thankfully I was wrong :rofl Seafire? NOOB! I see your 7 landed...to my Land a 20 plane kill streak in a fighter. YES....just as shocked as YOU are :uhoh Oh, and check you messages :D
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Bruv119 on April 04, 2020, 02:08:18 AM
US accused of 'Piracy' by Germany....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52161995
Face masks!!!
on a more serious note, It's very concerning the amount of infections and deaths USA is having, in 2 weeks time I hate to think what they will look like. Not just in NYC either. :(
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 04, 2020, 04:35:54 AM
on a more serious note, It's very concerning the amount of infections and deaths USA is having, in 2 weeks time I hate to think what they will look like. Not just in NYC either. :(
Listen to George Webb on YouTube.
Donald Trump is a HERO
Communist NWO will fail.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 04, 2020, 04:38:45 AM
on a more serious note, It's very concerning the amount of infections and deaths USA is having, in 2 weeks time I hate to think what they will look like. Not just in NYC either. :(
New york city is almost half the deaths in the US.
No one has any idea how infections are increasing as everyone is not tested. Only sick people are tested and not all sick folks are positive.
Texas has around 30 million people and 90 deaths.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: asterix on April 04, 2020, 06:09:56 AM
Looks like a certain someone is doing his best to flatten the curve of another thread down straight into the gutter. On one hand I think people gathering all this arsenal are crazy, on the other hand people setting 5G masts on fire to "stop the Coronavirus" are equally crazy. Hope you guys with guns also have helmet cams, gun cams, sight cams and such with full batteries and empty SD cards for YouTube.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 04, 2020, 06:43:38 AM
If he keeps digging he'll end up in China.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Hajo on April 04, 2020, 07:04:02 AM
I know this question is for Oldman but I'd like to throw my two cents in. I've been a gun owner for over 50 years and have had 3 .45s. A Colt model 1911M that I shot competitively, a Remington 1911 Carry, and now an S&W MP Shield .45. Of the three the Remington shot the best accuracy wise and now I favor the S&W MP Shield 45. It's a smaller .45, easy and convenient to carry.
I'd look into the S&W MPs' HiTech, they have 9mm models also. The 45 comes in two models one with a safety and one without. I have the one without. Small, light and easier to conceal. Very easy to break down and clean. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Eagler on April 04, 2020, 07:20:51 AM
My virus " paranoia " is that the economic damage caused by the steps we are taking to minimize damage/ strain of our healthcare system and populous will be much greater than the damage/ deaths the virus would cause as we are plundged into economic chaos.
When others feel that this was a calculated risk taken by an embarrassed China to punish the US and its trade wars of the last 3.5 years and the quelling of the civil unrest in Hong Kong (what happened to that?) which then resulted with a new reserve currency as the dollar is way dead, given the then current mentality of a desperate nation/ world- we are then thrusted into another neverending war.
At that point I don't know if it will matter
At that point your mini miltias will not matter as it will be extreme martial law and unless you think you can take on the national guard your guns and ammo are long gone
That my concern about this whole thing
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Oldman731 on April 04, 2020, 09:00:36 AM
I know this question is for Oldman but I'd like to throw my two cents in. I've been a gun owner for over 50 years and have had 3 .45s. A Colt model 1911M that I shot competitively, a Remington 1911 Carry, and now an S&W MP Shield .45. Of the three the Remington shot the best accuracy wise and now I favor the S&W MP Shield 45. It's a smaller .45, easy and convenient to carry.
I'd look into the S&W MPs' HiTech, they have 9mm models also. The 45 comes in two models one with a safety and one without. I have the one without. Small, light and easier to conceal. Very easy to break down and clean. Just a suggestion.
My best-shooting .45 is a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec, which I had a very good gunsmith accurize and equip with real sights. But my favorite is a Kimber Ultra Carry (the first model), which has a fuller grip and just feels better. Plus I can take it with me during the day because of its size. You know, in case of zombie attack.
- oldman
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: TequilaChaser on April 04, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
My best-shooting .45 is a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec, which I had a very good gunsmith accurize and equip with real sights. But my favorite is a Kimber Ultra Carry (the first model), which has a fuller grip and just feels better. Plus I can take it with me during the day because of its size. You know, in case of zombie attack.
- oldman
Some of those Kimber .45 on the 1911 design are awesome
I favor my officer's model colt Combat Commander. 45 is easier to carry than those full size 1911s we got qualified on in the Navy....
Quickly falling in love with my Walther PPQ .45 with 12 round mag, and on the verge of buying a 2nd one
They are so easy they can be deadly.... Just point and shoot..... Almost guaranteed to hit your target a 100 yards out...
If you get a chance to try one out, I recommend you give it a try
TC
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: redcatcherb412 on April 04, 2020, 09:49:46 AM
I have a six-inch Model 28, bought it for my father in 1974. Doesn't need a trigger job.
Recoil bothered me at first, but I put some Pachmayer grips on it, and now it's a dream gun. Ordinarily I'm a 1911 person, but this one shakes my assumptions.
- oldman
Model 28 is a noble chunk of iron. I bought my 4 inch in 1972 then went on to carry it as a patrolman until 1989. In semi annual qualification and monthly range practice I have no idea how many rounds I put thru that piece with never a hitch. Truly one of S&W's winners. Most of the guys carried 19's and slobbered all over the 28 at the range, it's heavy, but just lends to holding real steady. You're right, the dinky walnut grips when your hand gets sweaty or some dirt on them were a nightmare especially on rapid fire. Pachmayer's were a godsend. It holds a special spot in the gun safe, may take it with me at my end, but all my grandkids want dibs on it.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Firetech on April 04, 2020, 07:30:27 PM
Looks like some folks are trying to close this thread too.
Not too bright.
It’ll be INteresting to see who makes the fINal kill shot.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Maverick on April 05, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
I had a 4" model 28 and carried it for duty use for a while. It was actually my very first gun. It fell out of favor when the model 66's came out. I switched to a 4" for duty and a 2 1/2" for off duty. I had both in constant use for aver a decade. They became my favorites. I also got a 6" model 28 and that was my combat competition gun for several years. I switched over to a Glock17 then later a 19 when the department allowed semi's for duty / off duty. The 17 was traded but the 19 is still here. Grand sons have dibs on the 4" 66 and the G 19. The 4" 28 went away during a nasty breakup with a former fiancé. Just wasn't worth the hassle to try and recover it, I considered it a small price for having dodged THAT bullet.
I am still a wheel gun guy at heart even though I have easily transitioned to a semi. There is just something more satisfying about shooting the old Smiths, at least until it comes time to clean them. Then the Glock really shines.
I went with the 19 for both on and off duty. I did compare it to a 1911 commander and other than being a tad wider it was about the same size, but a heck of a lot lighter and more shells to boot. The Officers model is a little smaller but still heavier. I found that comfort in carry was a big deal to maintaining carry as opposed to leaving the heavy iron at home.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: MiloMorai on April 05, 2020, 12:03:05 PM
Quote
The 4" 28 went away during a nasty breakup with a former fiancé. Just wasn't worth the hassle to try and recover it, I considered it a small price for having dodged THAT bullet.
Not very responsible of you.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 05, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
Fiancés don't get custody of nuthin.' :old:
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: redcatcherb412 on April 05, 2020, 02:04:21 PM
I had a 4" model 28 and carried it for duty use for a while. It was actually my very first gun. It fell out of favor when the model 66's came out. I switched to a 4" for duty and a 2 1/2" for off duty. I had both in constant use for aver a decade. They became my favorites. I also got a 6" model 28 and that was my combat competition gun for several years. I switched over to a Glock17 then later a 19 when the department allowed semi's for duty / off duty. The 17 was traded but the 19 is still here. Grand sons have dibs on the 4" 66 and the G 19. The 4" 28 went away during a nasty breakup with a former fiancé. Just wasn't worth the hassle to try and recover it, I considered it a small price for having dodged THAT bullet.
I am still a wheel gun guy at heart even though I have easily transitioned to a semi. There is just something more satisfying about shooting the old Smiths, at least until it comes time to clean them. Then the Glock really shines.
I went with the 19 for both on and off duty. I did compare it to a 1911 commander and other than being a tad wider it was about the same size, but a heck of a lot lighter and more shells to boot. The Officers model is a little smaller but still heavier. I found that comfort in carry was a big deal to maintaining carry as opposed to leaving the heavy iron at home.
That heavy iron has an advantage at times. In all the years on patrol I had to draw it plenty of times, never had to fire it though. One time had a guy rush me, but he had no weapon and I didn't have time to reach the nightstick so he had 3 pounds of Mod 28 smack him upside the head. It laid him out just as good as a cast iron frying pan would have. :D
I always keep a few wheel guns around, semis are ok, but i've never had a feed or jam problem with the wheels.
They can get bad ammo though. Grandson in law had a beautiful Colt .357 and for some reason bought a box of cheap steel case garbage which over expanded in the cylinder. He brought it over and I was able to remove them and told him to spend the couple extra bucks for brass cased rounds.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Ramesis on April 05, 2020, 02:21:37 PM
One time had a guy rush me, but he had no weapon and I didn't have time to reach the nightstick so he had 3 pounds of Mod 28 smack him upside the head. It laid him out just as good as a cast iron frying pan would have. :D
While on PooWwatch at GTMO, I heard a lot of shots coming from the Line... it was the Line guard shooting at crabs during their migration... needless to say he never stood that watch again :rofl Of course in retrospect, that may be what he wanted :D
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 05, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
Need to mass release this stuff now.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: 100Coogn on April 05, 2020, 05:32:52 PM
DmonSlyr: I'm not a doctor, but I play one in my mind...."
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Zimme83 on April 06, 2020, 06:05:47 AM
Swedish hospitals have halted the use of Hydroxychloroquine due to the side effects being too severe.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: nooby52 on April 06, 2020, 08:07:33 AM
Well, my trusty Marlin 30-30 will have to be enough to protect my wife, my guitars and dog. Hmmm...not sure about the order though. I'll get back to you.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 06, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Swedish hospitals have halted the use of Hydroxychloroquine due to the side effects being too severe.
Yes side effects can be rough. Same for many drugs. It is for those that are bad off.... not for everyone.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Meatwad on April 06, 2020, 08:29:59 PM
What about the nutjobs burning the 5G cell towers because they believe that is spreading the coronavirus
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Maverick on April 07, 2020, 09:47:11 AM
Well one thing is sure about the paranoia and that is the hording that is STILL going on. We buy groceries once a week. Never a lot of stuff since it's just the two of us, and we're 66 and 71. We have been using the option to get wally world stuff (staples, never fresh fruit or vegies) delivered to the car instead of going in. Now they seem to have cut back to being open 2 days a week and they have a set number of slots per day to get your stuff. The last 2 weeks the wife hasn't been able to get a slot. It seems you have to know someone in the store and in this small town there is only one store.
Nancy found out the local state chain of grocery stores (H E B) would deliver to the house. She made an order for groceries online. They delivered one item, a small pack of TP. No groceries. We have been out of "fresh" (frozen) meat for 3 weeks now, cereal for a week and a half. If I could I'd get a hunting license (office closed) and shoot one of the axis deer running around the property. They are an invasive species so no season, limit or tag needed, just a license. If it gets much worse I'll shoot one without the license and hope none of the neighbors snitch me off.
Getting real tired of my "fellow man's" actions.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Shuffler on April 07, 2020, 10:20:59 AM
Yes we normally pick our groceries up but now we have to order 5 days ahead. Several things you have to go inside now. We just go inside to shop now until this is over. Stores here are getting supplies now. Plenty of paper and other items that were being hoarded.
We are in SE Texas so we shop Kroger and some at HEB.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: bustr on April 13, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
Here is the link to the research paper from Wuhan where they found a cave in China where the bats had 11 strains of SARS. Those were brought back to the Lab in Wuhan where they cloned them and created less virulent chimeric versions visa recombining genes to test how the virus infects humans cells through ACE2 receptors. The study took place 2011-2015 with the paper being published in 2017. The NIH under Obama contributed $3.7m for the research. Dr. Fauci was with the NIH at that time and aware of SARS. SARS back then had a 30% mortality rate and our original NIH mortality numbers was 2.2m dead. So makes me wonder if Fauci needed the USA shut down for 3 weeks to see if this was SARS-CoV or COVID-19. Essentially a death sentence for 30% infected or a bad flu season. Also SARS-CoV has a high ability to mutate so 3 weeks may also have been to see if COVID-19 evolved into it's parent virus SARS.
In their paper the Chinese posted how they created the chimeric viruses for their testing. COVID-19 may be one of those constructed versions to test the ACE2 receptors since that is it's primary vector to infect human cells. Hydroxychloroquine\Chloroquine impair the ability of COVID-19 to use the ACE2 vector and back in 2005 they were tested against SARS and found to protect cells from being invaded by the SARS-CoV virus in laboratory tests. ------------------------------------------------------- Construction of recombinant viruses
Recombinant viruses with the S gene of the novel bat SARSr-CoVs and the backbone of the infectious clone of SARSr-CoV WIV1 were constructed using the reverse genetic system described previously [23] (S9 Fig). The fragments E and F were re-amplified with primer pairs (FE, 5’-AGGGCCCACCTGGCACTGGTAAGAGTCATTTTGC-3’, R-EsBsaI, 5’-ACTGGTCTCTTCGTTTAGTTATTAACTAAAATATCACTAGACACC-3’) and (F-FsBsaI, 5’-TGAGGTCTCCGAACTTATGGATTTGTTTATGAG-3’, RF, 5’-AGGTAGGCCTCTAGGGCAGCTAAC-3’), respectively. The products were named as fragment Es and Fs, which leave the spike gene coding region as an independent fragment. BsaI sites (5’-GGTCTCN|NNNN-3’) were introduced into the 3’ terminal of the Es fragment and the 5’ terminal of the Fs fragment, respectively. The spike sequence of Rs4231 was amplified with the primer pair (F-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-AGTCGTCTCAACGAACATGTTTATTTTCTTATTCTTTCTCACTCTCAC-3’ and R-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-TCACGTCTCAGTTCGTTTATGTGTAATGTAATTTGACACCCTTG-3’). The S gene sequence of Rs7327 was amplified with primer pair (F-Rs7327-BsaI, 5’-AGTGGTCTCAACGAACATGAAATTGTTAGTTTTAGTTTTTGCTAC-3’ and R-Rs7327-BsaI, 5’- TCAGGTCTCAGTTCGTTTATGTGTAATGTAATTTAACACCCTTG-3’). The fragment Es and Fs were both digested with BglI (NEB) and BsaI (NEB). The Rs4231 S gene was digested with BsmBI. The Rs7327 S gene was digested with BsaI. The other fragments and bacterial artificial chromosome (BAC) were prepared as described previously. Then the two prepared spike DNA fragments were separately inserted into BAC with Es, Fs and other fragments. The correct infectious BAC clones were screened. The chimeric viruses were rescued as described previously [23].
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: icepac on April 13, 2020, 06:50:25 PM
Unless the data is wrong, USA has 100,000 new cases today.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
Unless the data is wrong, USA has 100,000 new cases today.
Are you sure that isn't world or something?
It looks to me like new daily is 26,077.
:headscratch:
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2020, 07:04:20 PM
Know, it's strange times we live in.
I was looking at the number today and imagining myself 6 months ago that looking at a 1500 death day and thinking, "Oh that's not bad at all."
I remember a month ago telling my parents that we might end up seeing 1000 deaths a day and being slight embarrassed at how crazy that sounded saying it out load.
Strange days.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: icepac on April 13, 2020, 07:55:29 PM
Yeah....they corrected it.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: MiloMorai on April 13, 2020, 08:04:20 PM
If enough economic damage is done I fear many will think that a viable option especially if China is held responsible in the end
Well, I'm not sure that would be in our best interests, but in any case, it's irrelevant. You'll never prove it.
All they have to say is, "Yes we had a bio-lab in Wuhan studying CoronaVirus in bats. But that is just a coincidence. This virus started in the wet markets. So sorry. We've closed those down."
How can you disprove it? Unless you found a defector from the lab, but I'm sure all the technicians from that clown show are probably already in a hole in the ground covered in quick-lime.
:noid
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Ramesis on April 14, 2020, 01:23:40 PM
Well, I'm not sure that would be in our best interests, but in any case, it's irrelevant. You'll never prove it.
All they have to say is, "Yes we had a bio-lab in Wuhan studying CoronaVirus in bats. But that is just a coincidence. This virus started in the wet markets. So sorry. We've closed those down."
How can you disprove it? Unless you found a defector from the lab, but I'm sure all the technicians from that clown show are probably already in a hole in the ground covered in quick-lime.
:noid
Quite possible :D
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 14, 2020, 01:25:05 PM
Neither of us mentioned proof (until just now). What I'm suggesting is a nonsensical response to a imagined situation.
I'm guessing at this point (literally) that neither of us find nuclear response a viable option, proof or not. Seems that would also leave conventional war out. Here's to cooler and wiser heads prevailing.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: CptTrips on April 14, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
Well, this is certainly bad, and is going to get worse. But I find it hard to believe that any rational American leadership would think it is worth it to engage in a nuclear exchange over this. It won't just be one way.
That would just be cutting off our nose to spite our face.
Mutually assured destruction is a poor policy choice. I certainly would suggest jumping to that one first.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
Ok I'll downgrade to a very nasty conventional war or terrorism to start.
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 14, 2020, 04:32:15 PM
For God's sake Guys.... give it a rest. The only war to be fought is ALL people vs a Bug. And like small pox, polio, measles, we will win this... at least until the next mega virus.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hazmatt on April 14, 2020, 04:57:24 PM
Initiating global thermonuclear warfare is supposed to equate to 2: capable of working, functioning, or developing adequately viable alternatives? Barry Goldwateresque.
And ur point is?
Just because the quote is "Goldwateresque" does not negate the fact that I stated :salute
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 14, 2020, 06:57:18 PM
I agree. I was just making the point that the Chinese carrier seems to be fine while ours got coronaed. lol
Seems the chinese are also making that point via their PLA english website
The report came from China’s English PLA website, CNN noted. The network wrote that their Navy “has done a much better job controlling coronavirus than the US Navy,” according to the PLA.
“‘Through the voyage, the Liaoning showed that the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has done a great job in the epidemic prevention and control work and COVID-19 epidemic has not had an impact on its deployment and operations,’” the story says, citing Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association,” CNN wrote.
“‘It showed that the PLA can dispatch troops stationed anywhere at any time, with the troops always maintaining vigorous combat capabilities. The Chinese people can always count on them,’ Xu is quoted as saying.”
Portions of CNN’s write-up are extremely similar to the PLA’s military press release.
“The report said that the Chinese carrier was carrying out this operation while four US Navy aircraft carriers — the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the USS Ronald Reagan, the USS Carl Vinson and the USS Nimitz — have reported cases of coronavirus, crimping their operations,” CNN wrote.
CNN the new Chicom News Network it seems.
This one sentence sticks out just in it's Orwellian doublespeak considering it's from the PLA Chinese Military .. China Arms Control and Disarmament Association
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: hazmatt on April 14, 2020, 09:28:43 PM
Our carriers might have been coronaed but that doesn't mean their carrier can't still get torpedoed!
Speaking of torpedos. Can we have subs not please HiTech? /jk
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: AKKuya on April 14, 2020, 09:52:33 PM
Latest word is that Playboy will be returning to nude Bunnies again. However, in order to stop the spread of Covid-19, they will be wearing hazmat suits for the photographer's protection. Those willing to sign a release form acknowledging the risk of possible infection and death can volunteer to take pictures of the nude Bunny from behind a double plastic window inside a hermetically sealed photo shack.
We must continue the human race by preventing any possible physical contact. Your cooperation in this highly combustible situation is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Chalenge on April 14, 2020, 10:12:24 PM
Stefan Molyneux did a pretty good job of convicting the CCP through circumstantial evidence.
EDIT: Forgot the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0SB8DyhvGg
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Meatwad on April 15, 2020, 07:00:51 AM
Our governor has recently ordered all the garden centers closed in the state cause you know, buying flowers and vegetable plants and garden supplies will give us all covid-19 and will die
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Eagler on April 15, 2020, 09:23:11 AM
Latest Chinese guess is that it spread to humans by bat eating dogs...
I am guessing it was when the chinamen ate the dogs after the dogs are the infected bats
Can't make this stuff up!
Time will tell who is full of it...
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Busher on April 15, 2020, 11:04:07 AM
Latest Chinese guess is that it spread to humans by bat eating dogs...
I am guessing it was when the chinamen ate the dogs after the dogs are the infected bats
Can't make this stuff up!
Time will tell who is full of it...
Eagler
Have you been to China? I have. Like all countries, it has extremes from wealth to poverty, cosmopolitan to rural, and like us, people just trying to live life with their friends and family.
Can't make this stuff up! expresses an opinion. Apparently HT does not see that opinion as politics.
This is another world war... all people against a deadly Bug. I hope to some degree we can set our petty differences aside to beat this disease... and work together to prepare for the next one.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: 100Coogn on April 15, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Have you been to China? I have. Like all countries, it has extremes from wealth to poverty, cosmopolitan to rural, and like us, people just trying to live life with their friends and family.
Can't make this stuff up! expresses an opinion. Apparently HT does not see that opinion as politics.
This is another world war... all people against a deadly Bug. I hope to some degree we can set our petty differences aside to beat this disease... and work together to prepare for the next one.
Probably just didn't see his post yet.
Coogan
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Eagler on April 15, 2020, 01:00:27 PM
Sorry but not ready to let China off the hook for this global economic downturn just yet....
Feel free to kumbaya all you want to with whoever
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Arlo on April 15, 2020, 01:17:34 PM
Latest word is that Playboy will be returning to nude Bunnies again. However, in order to stop the spread of Covid-19, they will be wearing hazmat suits for the photographer's protection. Those willing to sign a release form acknowledging the risk of possible infection and death can volunteer to take pictures of the nude Bunny from behind a double plastic window inside a hermetically sealed photo shack.
:rofl
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Ramesis on April 15, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
Like all countries, it has extremes from wealth to poverty
but not as extreme... there are a comparatively few wealthy but the overall are living in poverty I have not been to China but I have friend that is an interpreter for our gov... he says differently in private I'm guessing you visited China... and if so, you saw what the Chinese gov let you see :salute
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Chalenge on April 15, 2020, 04:14:07 PM
Carter says Trump screwed up by ending the funding of the W.H.O., so now you know that was yet another great move by the President.
but not as extreme... there are a comparatively few wealthy but the overall are living in poverty I have not been to China but I have friend that is an interpreter for our gov... he says differently in private I'm guessing you visited China... and if so, you saw what the Chinese gov let you see :salute
Hogwash. Keep forming opinions on your guessing and pre-conceived images of an enemy. Regular people are the same everywhere.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: FLS on April 15, 2020, 06:47:24 PM
Regular people in WW2 were also the same as us. Regular people killed millions of other regular people for some reason.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Busher on April 15, 2020, 07:06:13 PM
Regular people in WW2 were also the same as us. Regular people killed millions of other regular people for some reason.
But I think you might agree that it isn't the "regular people" that create the environment that leads to war. They're just the ones that have to fight and die in it.
Title: Re: Covid19 Paranoia
Post by: Puma44 on April 15, 2020, 07:18:46 PM
But I think you might agree that it isn't the "regular people" that create the environment that leads to war. They're just the ones that have to fight and die in it.