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Title: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 10, 2020, 11:03:44 PM
OK, Chalenge.
How long you been on it?
What has been your biggest problem with it.
Can you share any of your marker numbers? Changes?
Diarrhea?
Keto flu?
Leg cramps?
Do you supplement?
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Chalenge on April 10, 2020, 11:20:25 PM
I'm going to say it's been a year and a half? More like a year and eight months. I'm strictly on the meat, with just changes in salt and pepper, and some other spices. Occasionally, I change over and have hot wings, because I just miss them. I also eat white rice, but seldom. Like once a month seldom. Once a year I have liver and onions for the vitamins they have. I prefer elk liver, but beef if nothing else.
I eat pork, chicken, and turkey sausage every morning, because bacon can cause me fits. By fits I mean diarrhea, but I also suspect canola, and coconut oils might be the problem. I also have gall bladder issues, so the oils and fats can trigger that.
No keto flu. I do still get leg cramps occasionally, but only if a sleep with my legs crossed. That's supposed to be a diabetes issue.
I take a mix of calcium, magnesium, and zinc with an amino acid called L-arginine (for blood flow issues in the legs). Plus, one tablespoon of mustard to alleviate the cramping issues. It is important that you do not drink carbonated drinks, or the supplements just wash through and cannot be absorbed. Everything else is diabetes related.
The hardest part for me was giving up the Sam Adams and other alcohols.
I still put in about 90 miles a day on the bicycle.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 12:12:29 AM
This is probably more dangerous than politics or religion combine. People get so hostile if you challenge their assumptions on nutrition. :rofl
A year and half?!? I'm a newbie then. I've done low carb in the past with success, but eventually fell off the wagon. I've been Carnivore since Jan 1. I've been pretty strict except for coffee (because that's just the way it's gonna have to be!), minimal spices for my chicken wings and salmon. And mushrooms. I love mushrooms and I'm making a judgement call because they are technically not plants. ;) They are actually closer to animals than plants. And they go well drowned in KerryGold butter piled on my steak. ;) ;)
I'd love to eat a large percentage of something like Elk if I could source it at a reasonable price. I started getting this grass-fed ground beef from a Texas ranch that has a mix of Beef, Beef Heart, Beef Spleen, Beef Kidney, Beef Liver. It's not my favorite but packed with nutrition. I fry up a small patty with my fried eggs in the morning.
My biggest problems was starting to get leg cramps. I was getting plenty of sodium and potassium in the diet, I was supplementing magnesium, I finally narrowed it down to calcium. Probably because I had cut out all dairy and my body was used to a lifetime of that source. So until my system equalizes, I'll supplement. No leg cramps since.
For the uninitiated, Carnivore is a restrictive diet where the intent is to only eat animal products. (Dairy/cheese is a gray area. I've dropped it but some don't.)
It is an extension of the low carb diet approach, and can be similar to Keto, but does not require the strict fat/protein ratios. But you can if you want.
The basic idea is that plants generally don't want to be eaten. By us, or insects, or molds, or fungus. While animals have teeth and claws to defend themselves, plants use chemical warfare. Different people may have different sensitivities to the chemicals and while the reaction may not be instant and acute, the effects may be damaging over time.
A meat diet is very non-inflammatory. It can be a food tool to heal various autoimmune diseases and reset peoples system. Most people can eat most animal flesh (except maybe shellfish). Most food allergies are plants. That should tell you something.
In general, most people eat insane amounts of sugar and carbs (which is the same thing). Every traditional culture that has adopted the modern standard western diet has seen metabolic disease skyrocket. Manufactured Sugar is poison. Wheat/gluten are not much better.
There has been a sub-group of "ZeroCarb" fans since the early 2000's. So there is a fair amount of anecdotal data. No one had starved to death or gotten scurvy. Technically that name has gone out of favor because some animal products have minute amount of carbs.
More recently, the Carnivore diet has probably been popularized by Jordan and Mikhaila Perterson. (and Dr. Baker)
But, but, don't you need fiber?
But, but, what about vitamin C?
But what's wrong with vegatables?
Like I said, I'm not sure this is permanent, but I like the results I'm getting so far. The first 20lbs just came off effortlessly about 1/2 lb a day. And I'm eating butter slathered ribeyes, so I'm getting plenty of calories. Now it tends to plateau a couple of days and then boom I wake up down two pounds out of the blue. Now that the weather is nicer, and I'm over the transition period, I intend to add exercise into the mix to keep pushing the results.
The other weird thing I've noticed is that my sleep has gotten a lot deeper. I always thought I was a light sleeper, but I sleep like a dead person now. Maybe hormonal, maybe losing the weight is keeping me from waking my self up snoring. ;)
But is is an extreme diet. Not one I'd recommend for most people. Most people would probably be better off with a traditional low carb with intermittent fasting.
$0.02.
:salute
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Brooke on April 11, 2020, 02:28:14 AM
I was on low carb for a while.
It worked marvelously for losing weight for me and for several other people I know, as well as for some of them providing other health benefits, such as far better cholesterol profile.
I had occasional leg cramps, too. Turned out eating a banana (I'm guessing for potassium) quickly (within 15 minutes) solved it whenever it occurred. More calcium, magnesium, and zinc didn't do anything, so I don't think it was any of those.
Other than that, I had no troubles and felt great. Energy all day. Needed less sleep. Not hungry in between meals.
But it was hard for me to stay on it. It's more expensive, less convenient, less variety, and not easily compatible with many restaurants unless I order 2 meals to get 1 meal worth of low carb out of it.
I highly recommend it to people who are seriously wanting to lose weight. I don't think any other diet really works anywhere near as well. They all rely on calorie restriction, which results in your being hungry all the time. I was never hungry in between meals on the low-carb diet. I ate as much as I wanted, whenever I wanted, and always until I was full, and it still worked great.
One great book on the subject: The Big Fat Surprise, by Teicholz.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: FESS67 on April 11, 2020, 02:44:45 AM
so what I get from this is there are a few of you that just want meat.... :bolt:
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Wildin on April 11, 2020, 09:39:04 AM
Yes, meat is the best medicine to cure a lifetime of consuming the standard American diet.
Started 6 mos ago at 250#, insulin dependent diabetic, hypertension, obese.
Now 195# cured of above and free of all meds. I feel better than I have in 40 years, thinking of getting in shape for a 5K this summer at age 76.
recommended reading: "Lies My Doctor Told Me" by Dr. Ken Berry, "The Carnivore Code" by Dr. Paul Saladino
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
But it was hard for me to stay on it. It's more expensive, less convenient, less variety, and not easily compatible with many restaurants unless I order 2 meals to get 1 meal worth of low carb out of it.
I highly recommend it to people who are seriously wanting to lose weight. I don't think any other diet really works anywhere near as well. They all rely on calorie restriction, which results in your being hungry all the time. I was never hungry in between meals on the low-carb diet. I ate as much as I wanted, whenever I wanted, and always until I was full, and it still worked great.
Yeah. Long term calorie restriction is a dead-end. Eventually, the body just reacts by lowering your metabolism. In extended fasting, they are learning that you better strategy if to go no longer than a week. Beyond that and the body starts to lower the metabolism even if you still have fat stores. And you'll feel like crap with a slower metabolism which makes it even harder to lose weight.
I agree there is a bit more hassle to eating low carb. You are constantly swimming upstream against modern western culture. Not only do you have to fight uninformed people's narrow minded reactions like "that sounds stupid", but you are having to fight a vast Industrial Food Complex that wants to shove high-fructose corn syrup grain wrapped franken-foods down your throat. Everything in our culture (including the Gov freakin food pyramid) is geared around shoving carbs down your throat. Mainly because carbs are cheap and have better shelf life which is good for industry profits, not for you.
Yes, it feel more expensive in the short term, but later in life as you develop heart disease, Type II diabetes, Alzheimer's, arthritis, you might look back on the extra cost as having been cheap.
Modern western medicine can be so blind. Take Type II diabetes. (Type I is a completely different story.) Type II is almost a 100% lifestyle disease. It is caused by a lifetime of carb eating. Eating carbs causes Insulin to be released into the blood. Constant Insulin levels eventually cause the body to become Insulin resistant. Insulin resistance prevents the body from scrubbing the excess glucose from the blood. Result, high blood sugar.
So what is modern western medicine's solution? Give you a needle and pump in more Insulin. :O Does that make any sense? Maybe as a temporary intervention in a dire case, but it can't be the intelligent long term solution. Instead, remove the carbs. you reduce the glucose and you remove the Insulin, and allow the body to recover from it's Insulin resistance.
But big Pharma can sell doses of Insulin. They can't sell low-carb/zero carb eating. Only ranchers profit from that, and they don't have as effective a lobby. ;)
:salute
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Bizman on April 11, 2020, 11:30:38 AM
Just for comparison, not that I were for or against any other of those:
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 11:46:27 AM
Just for comparison, not that I were for or against any other of those:
Yep. And I can show you Vegan videos, and even Frutarian videos. That's why I eventually just decided to do it and measure the blood markers before and after rather than get lost in the infinite arguments. Look at the data, use your reason, make your choice, live with the consequences.
I have a theory that all these diets have some initial success simply because they are deviating from the standard American Diet which is the worst of all possible diets. Which is best for you long term, you'll have to decide.
But for God's sake, at least get off the American Industrial Food Complex Diet. (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/pxz9rexvimijbuxf1r7x.jpg)
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Volron on April 11, 2020, 12:00:04 PM
Yep. And I can show you Vegan videos, and even Frutarian videos. That's why I eventually just decided to do it and measure the blood markers before and after rather than get lost in the infinite arguments. Look at the data, use your reason, make your choice, live with the consequences.
I have a theory that all these diets have some initial success simply because they are deviating from the standard American Diet which is the worst of all possible diets. Which is best for you long term, you'll have to decide.
But for God's sake, at least get off the American Industrial Food Complex Diet. (https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q_80,w_1200/pxz9rexvimijbuxf1r7x.jpg)
I was going to ask why you are showing us a pair of beached whales but then I realized that those aren't whales, those are living garbage disposal units, industrial sized.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Bizman on April 11, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
That image gives yet another perspective to the old saying: "In America (or just Texas) everything is Bigger!"
Or "Let's make Americans Big again!"
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 12:14:49 PM
I was going to ask why you are showing us a pair of beached whales but then I realized that those aren't whales, those are living garbage disposal units, industrial sized.
Heh, sad isn't it? In my opinion, what you are probably seeing there is hormonal disruption do to being poisoned by their nations food system. Those people are probably just a little more genetically sensitive to it.
I had a friend at work who used to give me the old "a calorie is a calorie" argument. If you are fat, it can only be because you are eating too many calories.
While a calorie is a calorie is true in the context of thermodynamics, it is not true in the context of the human body's complex hormonal system.
I offered a $500 wager. For 6 months, we would each consume 2200 calories/day. We would each agree to the same level of physical activity. I would consume all my calories from meat products. He would consume all his calories from spoonfuls of table sugar. Nothing else. If a calorie is a calorie, our resultant health outcomes should be identical.
He declined the wager. ;)
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: guncrasher on April 11, 2020, 12:19:12 PM
diets are boring. I've lost over 60 lbs literally sitting in my sofa. which is funny because that's how i gained my weight.
don't start with exercise thingy. i can't, I'm stuck in the middle of stupidity based on law.
anyway i love variety, mix of fruits, vegetables and meat. I believe most diets fail because they're stupid to begin with. food is not only nourishing but it's supposed to be enjoyed too.
i normally don't eat sugar or sweet stuff, it makes me nauseous. but if i feel like eating a whole cheesecake or pecan pie, I'll do it. i just need 20 minutes in the bathroom. I'm sensitive to salt so i use very little, except on steaks.
some people rave on their diet or choice of food, sometimes i just want to laugh. like this vegan friend if mine, she loves jellow shots, go figure.
anyway enjoy what you eat but be conscious if what you eat.
semp
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 12:26:47 PM
some people rave on their diet or choice of food, sometimes i just want to laugh.
Do you mind sharing your BMI? It's a rather crude measure but gives a ball park metric to work with. https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm (https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm)
Mine was ~32 at Xmas. It's ~28 now. I need to get it to ~24 eventually.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Chalenge on April 11, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
I forgot to mention how I handle snacking. Mikhaila suggest beef jerky, but any meat will do. I use beef and buffalo, but if I ever bag another elk that will get added too. Mikhaila actually has a video on how to go about it with dehydrators, but I find the oven works just fine. I keep about two pounds in the freezer.
One of my high school friends just bought a chunk of land in the wild NE of Washington where the Elk and wolves still roam. I may have to start a new YT series on hunting in deep snow.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
I forgot to mention how I handle snacking. Mikhaila suggest beef jerky, but any meat will do. I use beef and buffalo, but if I ever bag another elk that will get added too. Mikhaila actually has a video on how to go about it with dehydrators, but I find the oven works just fine. I keep about two pounds in the freezer.
One of my high school friends just bought a chunk of land in the wild NE of Washington where the Elk and wolves still roam. I may have to start a new YT series on hunting in deep snow.
I have a dehydrator. I've been meaning to get around to making jerky. Some people say salting and dehydrating liver makes it more palatable. I can't image that being the case. ;) ;)
I haven't really felt the need to snack much. In fact, I have the opposite problem. If I'm not careful, I can forget to eat at all if I'm busy. All of the sudden it's like , "Crap. It's 5pm and I've forgotten to eat!" I try to avoid that. I try to eat lunch at 11am and dinner at 7pm. That keeps the furnace stoked.
I don't really get the same hunger signals I had my whole life. That low blood sugar intense hunger. It is more of a vague lowering of the energy level, and a mild brain fog. Then I remember, Oh! Fuel! Stable blood sugar is an amazing experience.
:salute
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Bizman on April 11, 2020, 12:55:55 PM
---I believe most diets fail because they're stupid to begin with. food is not only nourishing but it's supposed to be enjoyed too. ---anyway enjoy what you eat but be conscious if what you eat.
And how much you eat!
Right now I'm eating potato chips with beer. That's not my everyday diet, though. My BMI is 24.75 and it has been that way for a decade or more. It was less when I bought this house some 25 years ago. Since then I've gained both fat and muscles. I don't excercise as going to a gym or such, I only do a a 15 minutes workout semi-daily. "On the seventh day he rested...". But I tend to use my personal horsepowers whenever possible, like using the stairs instead of an elevator, or walking minor stretches instead of driving. My friends used to say that after 30 I'd start gaining weight. They were right, I've gained some 15 lbs since then. Since I stopped growing height in my late teens my BMI has raised from 20 to the current 24.75.
Needless to say, I've never been on a diet.
Trips, no wonder your friend didn't want to go on sugar only. Although it's been proved an urban legend that certain food consume more calories than they bring, the digestive system needs certain things to work. Sugar plus fibres is no answer since that won't activate the enzymes and other things that are needed for getting nourishment from meat or starch, not to mention vitamins and minerals. He would have starved while getting fat. Clever guy!
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 01:05:58 PM
Trips, no wonder your friend didn't want to go on sugar only. Although it's been proved an urban legend that certain food consume more calories than they bring, the digestive system needs certain things to work. Sugar plus fibres is no answer since that won't activate the enzymes and other things that are needed for getting nourishment from meat or starch, not to mention vitamins and minerals. He would have starved while getting fat. Clever guy!
So, a calorie is not a calorie. Q.E.D.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 01:21:08 PM
The Brits used to make fun of us, but they are now giving us a run for the money. Processed carbs and high-fructose-corn syrup. Industrial Fraken-foods.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Bizman on April 11, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
Give it time, you say... As your charts show obesity is an issue here as well. I'm an exception of the rule.
My point is, it's not about diet, it's about knowing yourself. Knowing when you're hungry and more importantly knowing when you've eaten enough. Franken-foods (what a lovely word, thanks!) are an American invention ruining the good old healthy European cuisine and as such are a product of the Evil! We didn't even know corn syrup until the American food companies started to sell it for next to nothing!
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Chalenge on April 11, 2020, 02:10:07 PM
. . . Franken-foods (what a lovely word, thanks!) are an American invention ruining the good old healthy European cuisine and as such are a product of the Evil!
Actually, HFCS is a Japanese invention. HFCS was nicknamed "FrankenSugar" when it was criticized here in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
Give it time, you say... As your charts show obesity is an issue here as well. I'm an exception of the rule.
My point is, it's not about diet, it's about knowing yourself. Knowing when you're hungry and more importantly knowing when you've eaten enough.
I think if you started eating the same poisons, you would have most of the same results. My guess is WHAT you eat is not as bad as what your average American eats.
Franken-foods (what a lovely word, thanks!) are an American invention ruining the good old healthy European cuisine and as such are a product of the Evil! We didn't even know corn syrup until the American food companies started to sell it for next to nothing!
Exactly my point!
Time and time again they've seen other cultures adopt our food system and their obesity rate skyrocket. I believe that WHAT they have changed to eating is having a bigger effect than just eating more.
There will come a time when the processed carb/sugar industry will face the same liability as the tobacco industry.
A case in point, my recent weight loss. I've dropped 25lb is 3 months and I've not yet added increased exercise. I assure you I am eating as many or possibly more calories than before. You should see the rib-eyes slathered in whole fat butter I'm eating every day. lol I bet my calories have increase 20-30%. I literally spoon drink my left over bacon fat. :D
Merely changing WHAT I ate had an amazing result while not decreasing calories or adding exercise. If a calorie is a calorie, why did merely changing the source of the calorie drop 25lb?
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
Actually, HFCS is a Japanese invention. HFCS was nicknamed "FrankenSugar" when it was criticized here in the 1990s.
Yes. But like everything America does, we took it to 11!!!!!!
And brought it to a truly awesome industrial scale.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: guncrasher on April 11, 2020, 05:29:46 PM
to be honest, i have no idea how to check my bmi. but I do know this it has gone down a lot. try not fitting into a 2x shirt, that's when I said bs. my boss asked me to gt bigger uniforms, I said no, either I lose weight or you can fire me for not wearing proper atire. and by that I meant i bought a bigger belt, coudnt zipper my pants but since there were only guys, they thought it was funny. anyway i ended up getting fired, blah, blah, blah for another reason.
now I went from a size 46 pants to a 36. my shirts from 2k is too small to large. I still have all my "fat" clothes as most are brand new and it seems a waste to buy new ones. so I wear suspenders for my pants and shorts. once I lose another 20 or 30 lbs maybe I'll buy new ones. anyway, most of my weight loss happened last year and early this year.
I dont really weight myself, only know I am 210 from going to the doctor a few weeks ago. what I do is look in the mirros and think, really, I was never this fat. so I eat basically the same food as I did before, except a little less. did cut down on my drinking a bit, maybe 1 or 2 beers less.
what I eat changed from when I was working, it would consist mainly of take out. was working 12 to 16 hours so no time to cook. now I cook 99% of my food, perhaps that is what did it for me. anyway I'll let you know what happens in a couple of months.
semp
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Volron on April 11, 2020, 05:37:52 PM
Yes. But like everything America does, we took it to 11 x 1,000,000,000!!!!!!
And brought it to a truly awesome industrial scale.
Fixed :D
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: turt21 on April 11, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
I watched the first 3 vids and I was looking for what a typical day might ensue as far as what you would eat.Im assuming like most I would get tired of even steak if you had it all the time . Anmd I love my potatoes.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2020, 07:40:21 PM
I watched the first 3 vids and I was looking for what a typical day might ensue as far as what you would eat.Im assuming like most I would get tired of even steak if you had it all the time . Anmd I love my potatoes.
Yeah. I loved my taters. I loved my bread. My mom makes homemade sourdough bread and biscuits. Hmmm they are insane. I love pizza. I love beer. I love sushi. I just didn't love extra weight. ;)
Some day if my weight get leveled out where I like it, those might be rare, once every couple of month treats. Just not every day. Or even every week. :rofl
Most days kinda look like today...
breakfast: Black coffee. Electrolyte drink/supplements. (Coffee is a plant product, but that one is not up for debate. :D)
Brunch at ~11am. 4 fried eggs. 4 bacon strips. 1/2 pound patty of this stuff: https://www.nosetotail.org/product-page/primal-lite-ground-beef-w-organs (https://www.nosetotail.org/product-page/primal-lite-ground-beef-w-organs) or some left over meat.
midday snack - I had a mug of bone broth because it was kinda rainy and dreary.
Dinner: Big ole rib-eye pan fried in ghee, covered with sauteed mushrooms in Kerry Gold butter. (mushrooms are debatable, but they are not a plant, so I'm making a judgement call here!)
Brunch usually looks pretty much the same. Sometimes scrambled eggs. Sometimes regular hamburger or left over steak or roast, occasionally ground breakfast sausage.
Dinner alternates (probably 65% beef the rest for variety) ... Rib-eye, roasts (chuck/cross-rib/etc), chicken wings, salmon and shrimp, Ribs, Cornish hens, ground beef patties, skirt steak, ground lamb.
I used to drink LA Croix sparkling water a lot. But I've been out (and it's not worth going to the store for), so just drinking ice water for last week or so. It's delicious. I actually think I may not go back. ;)
:salute
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Bizman on April 12, 2020, 03:34:39 AM
I love the same foods as you do. Taters, bread, pizza, beer... I've only had sushi a couple of times and it was good but it's not something I'd call "home cooking" - yet. I can remember when pizza came!
Semp has a point in home cooking, knowing what you're eating is an important factor. I rarely buy a hamburger, they make me feel like I've stuffed my stomach with something yet leaving me hungry. I suppose the McD burgers are similar in America, the recipes shouldn't change by country.
For comparison, here's my typical day: Breakfast: One cup of muesli with unsweetened unflavoured yoghurt, two mugs of juice cooked from berries from my garden, two mugs of black coffee, two slices of grainy sourdough rye bread with butter and salami/ham/some other meat cutlery. Brunch: Rarely. The nourishment experts say that it would be healthy for keeping the sugar level balanced. They also say that your system adapts to your habits. I've had no brunch since the early eighties so I guess my system now has learned. Midday snack: On weekends only, two mugs of black coffee and some slices of white bread with cheese. Dinner: Potatoes or pasta, rarely rice (my wife doesn't like it) with about 150 g of meat, usually pork or chicken, or salmon. Whole, sliced, minced depending on the recipe. Occasional vegetables, cooked and/or raw. Water or cultured milk. Evening snack: Beer, wine or Scotch, one or two on weekdays, more on weekends. Sometimes potato chips or salted nuts.
Your daily portion of protein would feed both myself and my wife for half a week!
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 12, 2020, 01:30:09 PM
Semp has a point in home cooking, knowing what you're eating is an important factor.
I totally agree. If you can do nothing else, making your own food at home goes a long way to avoiding the problems. But most Americans now days are pressed for time and tend to turn to takeout and convenience foods. When both parents work full-time jobs in addition to running kids around to constant extra-curricular activities on weekends, it's hard to cook every meal at home from scratch.
Your diet looks better to me that what I suspect most Americans eat typically. Probably not a vast difference in calories, but a difference in WHAT you are eating. I didn't see you mentioning grabbing McDonalds egg McMuffin, or quarter pounder with fries, or frozen pizza, or guzzling Mountain Dew and indulging in a late night microwave Hot Pocket. ;)
Not so much how many calories you consumed (though yours may have been somewhat less), but the quality of what you ate.
As a bachelor programmer working long crunch hours, I had gotten into a lot of bad habits. No time to shop or cook, my kitchen was often empty except for coffee. I'd just say whatever, I'll stop by and get a bacon,egg,cheese bagel on the way to work. Yeah, lets just graba quick burger and fries for lunch. No food at home, I'll grab a 6 pack on the way home and order pizza. :D Coffee to wind me up, beer to unwind. Oh, and free coffee at work. Sometimes I had drank so much by afternoon my hands would shake like I had palsy. :rofl
A decade of that wrecked my metabolism. So yeah, I might need an intervention as extreme as a Carnivore diet to reset my hormonal system. I used to be thin as a rail until I hit about 35.
You heard from Chalenge and Wildin the drastic improvements they achieved. I could point you to sites with hundred of similar testimonials. Especially people autoimmune problems, skin/joint problems, or a lot of recovering ex-Vegans who had wrecked their bodies. It a powerful elimination diet that provides you body with reparative nutrients. After you get detoxed and stabilized, you can add back thing carefully and see what you can tolerate. Or if you like it and it works for you you can stay that way. Many people have for decades and are thriving.
Still, as I've said, it's not for everyone. I think most people would find a traditional low glycemic/low carb diet with intermittent fast easier to maintain. I may end up back there eventually. But for now it's working for me, I don't find it too burdensome, and my health is improving very quickly; so if something is working, I'll run with it. :D
I thought this was an interesting high level executive summary of Carnivore.
:salute
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Chalenge on April 12, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
Ron Swanson (a man much like myself I think):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_laNt7Sh6g
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: TheBug on April 12, 2020, 05:26:45 PM
Still sounds stupid.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 12, 2020, 05:31:58 PM
I've never watched that show, but that was hilarious. :rofl
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Chalenge on April 12, 2020, 08:21:21 PM
I tried watching it when it first came out on Netflix, or Hulu, or whatever, but it was just flat humor. When I was learning digital design in school we all had to make videos and I made something along the lines of Cyclops Videos (Joe W Rhea) on YouTube. My instructor suggested that he thought my style was similar to Nick Offerman. Don't ask me why.
Meat over greens I always say. Gorillas are omnivores. Humans are not. The food pyramid might be trying to change that, but I'm not going along with it.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Spikes on April 12, 2020, 08:52:18 PM
Parks and Rec is a top 10 show for sure.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: save on April 15, 2020, 06:34:16 AM
I've been on a low-carbon diet for about a year now (I'm 60 this year), lost 12 kilos, and have more energy plus I have a much more stable blood sugar level.
I still play floor-hockey and I feel better now after a game, both due to weight-loss and the blood sugar levels.
In effect I eat meat/fish/bird and have only low-carb vegetables with it, and an occasional glas of red wine.
The bad part is no beer, but I can live without the sugar content in many products.
Only on vacation I get my beer, and other things I miss.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: Brooke on April 15, 2020, 03:01:16 PM
The good thing is that red wine has about 4 g of carbs (1/3 of a slice of bread) -- not so bad.
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 15, 2020, 11:03:41 PM
Title: Re: Carnivore Diet
Post by: CptTrips on April 15, 2020, 11:31:15 PM