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Title: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 19, 2020, 10:54:22 PM
Seriously,

I Love what Aces High is. I love the 24/7 open arena combat, and I honestly love the older A/C. They just flew better IMHO. Forcing players to get their butts handed to them time and again by forcing them to operate inferior craft is making me re-consider my participation in the game.

in before :
 - Bro just switch :
 -- Sides
 -- Craft
 - Git gud.

And please, stop trying to micromanage how people enjoy the game. ( Sans hacks )

The only real solution to aircraft disparity is rolling time frames. War wasn't meant to be be fair, stop trying to 'level the playing field'.

Tell me what other air combat sim ( Game W/E ) has a 24/7 perpetual environment and I will stop petitioning to have ENY removed in AH.

I know this has been debated over and over. I am sick of it, and am considering saving my money for other games.
 
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 19, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
Obviously you don't understand why there is eny.

No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: guncrasher on October 19, 2020, 11:46:26 PM
Obviously you don't understand why there is eny.

No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.

bingo.


semp
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: fd ski on October 20, 2020, 02:06:40 AM
"The only real solution to aircraft disparity is rolling time frames. War wasn't meant to be be fair, stop trying to 'level the playing field'."

This was tried in Warbirds back in 90s. It ended with disaster. during early war numbers fell so flat that game died in the end.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Lusche on October 20, 2020, 03:53:19 AM
(...) Forcing players to get their butts handed to them time and again by forcing them to operate inferior craft is making me re-consider my participation in the game.

The irony is strong with that one.

War wasn't meant to be be fair

You know this is a game, right?
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: LCADolby on October 20, 2020, 05:01:36 AM


I know this has been debated over and over. I am sick of it,
:D
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 20, 2020, 08:32:02 AM
>No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.

I understand why HT implemented ENY, I was there when he did it. With a large player base it kinda worked and wasn't so drastic. With the lower player base it's just retarded.


I didn't expect any other answers and have already deleted AH from my drive. Sad day but here's to looking for something better. I will check back from time to time and see what's changed, but it just feels like Hitech has given up on AH.

L8rs.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: whiteman on October 20, 2020, 08:40:16 AM
>No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.

I understand why HT implemented ENY, I was there when he did it. With a large player base it kinda worked and wasn't so drastic. With the lower player base it's just retarded.


I didn't expect any other answers and have already deleted AH from my drive. Sad day but here's to looking for something better. I will check back from time to time and see what's changed, but it just feels like Hitech has given up on AH.

L8rs.

Define lower player base, if the players evened out it wouldn’t matter, that never happens. Instead of 45 players splitting between 3 teams one side rolls with a 31 to 10 to 4 advantage. More often than not I’m on that 4 and if you’re telling me I have to defend against 51D’s, Spit16’s and Dora’s I’ll just log and you can roll undefended fields and pat each other on the back. That’s clearly what you want.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 20, 2020, 08:50:06 AM
Another 'fit and quit' thread has been recorded. (A bit redundant, too, considering there was already an ENY 'discussion' active.)

 :furious :old: :joystick: :banana: :D :cheers: :bolt:

(See ya in a month.)
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 20, 2020, 08:55:41 AM
then count entire fit and quit for entire squadrons that have gone. Pigs On the Wing being one of the many. It's got a handful of stragglers.

THe idea is the leaving will be noticed by HT, which sure has been felt in the pocket book. W/e.

Enjoy yourselves.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 20, 2020, 09:19:27 AM
>No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.

I understand why HT implemented ENY, I was there when he did it. With a large player base it kinda worked and wasn't so drastic. With the lower player base it's just retarded.


I didn't expect any other answers and have already deleted AH from my drive. Sad day but here's to looking for something better. I will check back from time to time and see what's changed, but it just feels like Hitech has given up on AH.

L8rs.

Too bad you were unable to learn to fly a midway or earlier War plane effectively. There are folks in game that would have been happy to help you had you asked.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: perdue3 on October 20, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
Obviously you don't understand why there is eny.

No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.

That is not all that fair. When there are 5 people on one side and 15 on the other 2, ENY kicks in. This is a common situation in the MA today and the system was not designed for 35 people. It does not work when there are so few people on, it only starts to work once there is about 70 people on. ENY should be turned off until each side has at least 10 players.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 20, 2020, 11:02:43 AM
"That is not all that fair. When there are 5 people on one side and 15 on the other 2, ENY kicks in. This is a common situation in the MA today and the system was not designed for 35 people. It does not work when there are so few people on, it only starts to work once there is about 70 people on. ENY should be turned off until each side has at least 10 players."

Truth. The game mechanic that was created for hundreds is completely broken when sides get down to dozens.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 20, 2020, 11:13:55 AM
That is not all that fair. When there are 5 people on one side and 15 on the other 2, ENY kicks in. This is a common situation in the MA today and the system was not designed for 35 people. It does not work when there are so few people on, it only starts to work once there is about 70 people on. ENY should be turned off until each side has at least 10 players.

This.

Or just perk the planes as the ENY increases.

Switching sides is boring as there might not be a fight over there.

People want action, not flying Microsoft flight simulator in your P51 after switching sides to a team with 5 players who aren't doing much and who aren't being attacked.

I switched to the low #s side the other day, the fight died after an hour. I was stuck. My team with the low #s were now hoarding the other side. The other teams began fighting each other. I left as it was boring and couldn't switch back.

By eliminating planes during off hours, ENY is merely just giving a great incentive to log off as you cant fly what you want, and unfortunately can't play any other time periods. It's a great damper on the off hours players to not get to fight the way you want.

I honestly don't blame the guys for these complaints.

A low #s team is only fighting 3-5 guys anyway, that's really not an embalance if your low #s team is fighting against them. A 3 on 5 fight is normal and sometimes even the low #s team has more players in the current fight.


Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 20, 2020, 12:04:21 PM
"That is not all that fair. When there are 5 people on one side and 15 on the other 2, ENY kicks in. This is a common situation in the MA today and the system was not designed for 35 people. It does not work when there are so few people on, it only starts to work once there is about 70 people on. ENY should be turned off until each side has at least 10 players."

Truth. The game mechanic that was created for hundreds is completely broken when sides get down to dozens.

Yet you stay on the high number side.........  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: SPKmes on October 20, 2020, 12:25:30 PM
"That is not all that fair. When there are 5 people on one side and 15 on the other 2, ENY kicks in. This is a common situation in the MA today and the system was not designed for 35 people. It does not work when there are so few people on, it only starts to work once there is about 70 people on. ENY should be turned off until each side has at least 10 players."

Truth. The game mechanic that was created for hundreds is completely broken when sides get down to dozens.

I think that is a good idea .... there wasn't many times you would be knocked to almost 30 ENY when you had hundreds of people on ... but it happens almost daily with less than 20 people on.

Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 20, 2020, 12:27:41 PM
Obviously you don't understand why there is eny.

No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.
lol!! Sooooo ENY was designed to reduce the vehicles and aircraft to the side that has the least amount of players inflight???? Cause that's how it's working currently.... Does that sound like a working side balancing program?..... It works on potential amount of inflight players not the actual amount of inflight players soooooo it needs tweeking a bit in my opinion....PS I fly brewsters ENY safe but it's still broken
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Hajo on October 20, 2020, 12:48:50 PM
In my over 20 years in the game I've seen dozens upon dozens of posts about how ENY is unfair.  It's getting tiresome.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: RELIC on October 20, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
In my over 20 years in the game I've seen dozens upon dozens of posts about how ENY is unfair.  It's getting tiresome.
Amen
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 20, 2020, 01:04:45 PM
Imagine how new players might feel encountering this.

It's no wonder membership has been depleting.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Wiley on October 20, 2020, 01:05:53 PM
In my over 20 years in the game I've seen dozens upon dozens of posts about how ENY is unfair.  It's getting tiresome.

Got a good feeling about this one and the other two changing HT's mind.  Really, this time it will work.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Max on October 20, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
I've been flying under the Bish flag for the better part of 20 years, and I normally fly morning hours (EST) which almost guarantees a hi ENY. If it becomes too bothersome I change sides...problem solved. How easy was that?  :old:
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 20, 2020, 01:09:08 PM
Imagine how new players might feel encountering this.

It's no wonder membership has been depleting.

New players encountering this know of no other system until old players like you whine about it. Even then, when they get hooked, they get hooked. If they don't get hooked, I doubt it was the ENY system that 'chased them off.'
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 20, 2020, 01:13:29 PM
I've been flying under the Bish flag for the better part of 20 years, and I normally fly morning hours (EST) which almost guarantees a hi ENY. If it becomes too bothersome I change sides...problem solved. How easy was that?  :old:

Read above. That argument has been debunked.

New players encountering this know of no other system until old players like you whine about it. Even then, when they get hooked, they get hooked. If they don't get hooked, I doubt it was the ENY system that 'chased them off.'

Numbers don't lie, and AH don'ty have the numbers it used to.

Got a good feeling about this one and the other two changing HT's mind.  Really, this time it will work.

Wiley.

Yea, I know. It's like HT has burnout and just doesn't care. Honestly I don't blame him. Same job for the last 20+ years trying to please the implacable.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Ramesis on October 20, 2020, 03:11:40 PM
New players encountering this know of no other system until old players like you whine about it. Even then, when they get hooked, they get hooked. If they don't get hooked, I doubt it was the ENY system that 'chased them off.'
REALLY Arlo... then explain the reducing numbers
 :salute
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: haggerty on October 20, 2020, 03:31:34 PM
6 hours is way too short of a side switch limit.  I've switched to help Rooks and then got stuck with ENY later when they suddenly all logged on.  I prefer to be on the underdog side, but cant do that with sides changing numbers so quickly with so few subs.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: whiteman on October 20, 2020, 03:36:34 PM
REALLY Arlo... then explain the reducing numbers
 :salute

There are tons of reasons.

simple burn out
Some want more engine management
Some want modern graphics
numbers to low for some
"not enough playing the game my way" seems to slant toward dogfighters, everything else isn't needed
maps to small
maps to big
GV's to hard to see
GV's to easy and control the map
hackusations, that have zero merit
lack of new and continuous content
budgets that cant afford a PC that runs AH3
gameplay has had no major changes thrown in
SPIES!!!!
Personal vendettas
aging player base and personal expiration dates

I'm sure more reasons just as stupid as ENY can be added.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: RichardDarkwood on October 20, 2020, 03:38:56 PM
There are tons of reasons.

simple burn out
Some want more engine management
Some want modern graphics
numbers to low for some
"not enough playing the game my way" seems to slant toward dogfighters, everything else isn't needed
maps to small
maps to big
GV's to hard to see
GV's to easy and control the map
hackusations, that have zero merit
lack of new and continuous content
budgets that cant afford a PC that runs AH3
gameplay has had no major changes thrown in
SPIES!!!!
Personal vendettas
aging player base and personal expiration dates

I'm sure more reasons just as stupid as ENY can be added.


 :aok
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Wiley on October 20, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
There are tons of reasons.

simple burn out
Some want more engine management
Some want modern graphics
numbers to low for some
"not enough playing the game my way" seems to slant toward dogfighters, everything else isn't needed
maps to small
maps to big
GV's to hard to see
GV's to easy and control the map
hackusations, that have zero merit
lack of new and continuous content
budgets that cant afford a PC that runs AH3
gameplay has had no major changes thrown in
SPIES!!!!
Personal vendettas
aging player base and personal expiration dates

I'm sure more reasons just as stupid as ENY can be added.

Nice list.  One of the bigger ones you didn't mention:

free options

Might not quite be exhaustive, but I do believe the above would catch most peoples' gripes.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 20, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
Imagine how new players might feel encountering this.

It's no wonder membership has been depleting.

New players are excited about flying WWII aircraft.

I imagine they are happy that the hord is not flying monster planes.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: whiteman on October 20, 2020, 03:55:55 PM
Nice list.  One of the bigger ones you didn't mention:

free options

Might not quite be exhaustive, but I do believe the above would catch most peoples' gripes.

Wiley.

That should be at the top. As bad as the free option is and as many people is complain about it, it seems to have a massive base that puts up with it.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Wiley on October 20, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
That should be at the top. As bad as the free option is and as many people is complain about it, it seems to have a massive base that puts up with it.

They're not "putting up with it" though.  That kind of thing is more what they want/have come to expect from developers.

When this type of game started, IMO the majority of the kind of people that sought it out were people who were in love with aviation and aviation history, with a few gamers mixed in.  These days, the vast majority of the market for something like this is gamers.  Completely different mindsets and expectations.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 20, 2020, 04:37:45 PM
There are tons of reasons.

simple burn out
Some want more engine management
Some want modern graphics
numbers to low for some
"not enough playing the game my way" seems to slant toward dogfighters, everything else isn't needed
maps to small
maps to big
GV's to hard to see
GV's to easy and control the map
hackusations, that have zero merit
lack of new and continuous content
budgets that cant afford a PC that runs AH3
gameplay has had no major changes thrown in
SPIES!!!!
Personal vendettas
aging player base and personal expiration dates

I'm sure more reasons just as stupid as ENY can be added.

Except we don't have multiple forums threads complaining about these things. We do have multiple threads complaining about ENY.

it would seem there's a very small but overly vocal base that's all in favor of keeping ENY.

I will come back when ENY has been addressed and try it out then. The one thing AH has that I haven't seen anywhere else is the perpetual combat environment. All in all if HT is really burned out chances are he's not even paying attention so I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Wiley on October 20, 2020, 04:42:40 PM
it would seem there's a very small but overly vocal base that's all in favor of keeping ENY.

The inverse is more true, IMO.  It's always the same names saying the same things.  ENY and the 12 hour rule are constantly being harped on.  Constantly.

Constantly.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 20, 2020, 04:54:46 PM
You still playing the game members are correct... The game is perfect don't don't change a thing
 :bhead
.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 20, 2020, 05:04:34 PM
We do have multiple threads complaining about ENY.

We have more ENY threads because you decided making another one besides the one that was already active would somehow add weight to your argument. And no, ENY isn't the only subject with which someone has tried that. (Side switch time, 2 sided map demand and bomber players who dare to bail out before letting anyone shoot them down are three that come to mind. All of which represented the sky falling.)
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: guncrasher on October 20, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
You still playing the game members are correct... The game is perfect don't don't change a thing
 :bhead
.

scotty doesn't know...

it's about fun.  did I settle for current state of game? no. but I found different ways to enjoy this game. 

everybody knows i love to fly the pony and everytime i log,  we have eny. so i cry for 1 minute, then up my p47 with the jamaican/canadian flag and go to work.


semp
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 20, 2020, 05:28:47 PM
then up my p47 with the jamaican/canadian flag and go to work.

There's a T-Bolt with a Jamaican/Canadian flag, mon? Wait, is it one flag on one side and one flag on the other or is it kind of a mixture?

(https://i3.cpcache.com/merchandise/51_550x550_Front_Color-White.jpg?Size=3x5&AttributeValue=NA&c=True&OrientationNo=1&region={%22name%22:%22FrontCenter%22,%22width%22:4.2554975,%22height%22:1.6,%22alignment%22:%22MiddleCenter%22,%22orientation%22:1,%22dpi%22:200,%22crop_x%22:0,%22crop_y%22:0,%22crop_h%22:400,%22crop_w%22:800,%22scale%22:0,%22template%22:{%22id%22:28646915,%22params%22:{}}})
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 20, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
scotty doesn't know...

it's about fun.  did I settle for current state of game? no. but I found different ways to enjoy this game. 

everybody knows i love to fly the pony and everytime i log,  we have eny. so i cry for 1 minute, then up my p47 with the jamaican/canadian flag and go to work.


semp
you know I mostly only fly the brewster or fm2 ENY safe
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: whiteman on October 20, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
You still playing the game members are correct... The game is perfect don't don't change a thing
 :bhead
.

Eny has a purpose and a place = Don't change a thing

Mind pointing how that conclusion was drawn?
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: guncrasher on October 20, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
There's a T-Bolt with a Jamaican/Canadian flag, mon? Wait, is it one flag on one side and one flag on the other or is it kind of a mixture?

(https://i3.cpcache.com/merchandise/51_550x550_Front_Color-White.jpg?Size=3x5&AttributeValue=NA&c=True&OrientationNo=1&region={%22name%22:%22FrontCenter%22,%22width%22:4.2554975,%22height%22:1.6,%22alignment%22:%22MiddleCenter%22,%22orientation%22:1,%22dpi%22:200,%22crop_x%22:0,%22crop_y%22:0,%22crop_h%22:400,%22crop_w%22:800,%22scale%22:0,%22template%22:{%22id%22:28646915,%22params%22:{}}})

yeah 201 squadron, looks almost like the one you posted.

semp
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 20, 2020, 05:51:03 PM
Eny has a purpose and a place = Don't change a thing

Mind pointing how that conclusion was drawn?
sure.. It's called sarcasm
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Hajo on October 20, 2020, 07:42:56 PM
They're not "putting up with it" though.  That kind of thing is more what they want/have come to expect from developers.

When this type of game started, IMO the majority of the kind of people that sought it out were people who were in love with aviation and aviation history, with a few gamers mixed in.  These days, the vast majority of the market for something like this is gamers.  Completely different mindsets and expectations.

Wiley.

Spot on, well said Wiley.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: RichardDarkwood on October 20, 2020, 08:01:07 PM
All in all if HT is really burned out chances are he's not even paying attention so I am not holding my breath.

Careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 20, 2020, 08:31:52 PM
Except we don't have multiple forums threads complaining about these things. We do have multiple threads complaining about ENY.

it would seem there's a very small but overly vocal base that's all in favor of keeping ENY.

I will come back when ENY has been addressed and try it out then. The one thing AH has that I haven't seen anywhere else is the perpetual combat environment. All in all if HT is really burned out chances are he's not even paying attention so I am not holding my breath.

The reason for the multiple threads is the folks who do not read forum rules.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: LCADolby on October 21, 2020, 05:15:14 AM
The reason for the multiple threads is the folks who do not read forum rules.

Goodness flying a different aircraft for a few sorties and these Karens act like they have to see the manager.. and make 10 threads about it.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 07:36:31 AM
Goodness flying a different aircraft for a few sorties and these Karens act like they have to see the manager.. and make 10 threads about it.

Quite funny, actually.  :rofl
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 21, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
Goodness flying a different aircraft for a few sorties and these Karens act like they have to see the manager.. and make 10 threads about it.

*Rolls Eyes* Right, w/e.


It's not very entertaining to fight a Ford Mustang with a roadmaster mountain bike. It takes long enough to get to the target on maps that were designed to hold hundreds in something fast. Having to pedal a much slower plane because the other side has 5 more players is a non-starter. Add to that most times it's multiple late ware planes against my one early war.

That's not 'fun'. Switching sides works until there's 3 or 4 more on the other side which happens quite often within the switch limit then the same garbage starts all over again.



Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: SPKmes on October 21, 2020, 12:27:06 PM
Well I fly a mid war plane High ENY most of the time so that part of it doesn't affect me directly...but it does affect me... and I find the ENY to be stupid .. last night (my primetime) 7 players in the arena ... 1 Bish  2 Rook .07 ENY 4 Knits 5.7 ENY ... Why???
by the time I logged off dare I say it 2 hours later there were 8 players total... This was a particularly bad night... normally of late we have at least 14 players...

now sure those ENY numbers are not high... but still you have to question why... look at total numbers...
when we do have the 14 we get a much different ENY I have seen it up to 25 .... 14 people total in the arena....Now I don't believe ENY is the total cause of the dwindling numbers at my time...it has always been low...but I can say for certain it has not helped...people do get fed up with it and the regulars are now not even popping in for a look... I need to work out what the heck I am going to do with all my spare time because this is getting bad...
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: hitech on October 21, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
I am running a test with  ENY side balancing disabling.

Will see what happens.
I am fairly sure I know what will happen but will see.

HiTech
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Vinkman on October 21, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
Obviously you don't understand why there is eny.

No one has to be under eny, they just choose to.

Your defending a goofy game rule by saying it can be avoided. Explain why it shouldn't be eliminated? what value does it bring to a player?
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Eagler on October 21, 2020, 01:14:42 PM
I am running a test with  ENY side balancing disabling.

Will see what happens.
I am fairly sure I know what will happen but will see.

HiTech

Thanks HT

For me there will be no change as it has never affected my game play.

Appreciate you listening and trying something

<S>

Eagler
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Your defending a goofy game rule by saying it can be avoided. Explain why it shouldn't be eliminated? what value does it bring to a player?

Geez, for the umpteen millionth time. It gives outnumbered sides at least a fighting chance since their being outnumbered is at least somewhat mitigated by making the horde use something other than the uberest of rides with which to roll the map. Basic concept.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Vinkman on October 21, 2020, 02:18:45 PM
Geez, for the umpteen millionth time. It gives outnumbered sides at least a fighting chance since their being outnumbered is at least somewhat mitigated by making the horde use something other than the uberest of rides with which to roll the map. Basic concept.

Now we're getting to it. Who is asking for mitigation? Is the outnumbered side expressing their happiness with this mitigation? It's theorized that mitigation will make the outnumbered side happier. Any evidence it makes them happier than it makes the "mitigated" frustrated? This is an attempt to create "fairness" and claiming ENY provides it, and that the resulting fairness leads to happier players.

I don't see a lot of "Thank God ENY helped me" posts. The whines of limitation will always outnumber the cheers for "mitigation".  I've seen nothing to indicate the cries of being outnumbered or horded have subsided due to this supposedly helpful "mitigating" process. Ot perhaps the goal is to even out the crying? That might seem fair, but I'd argue against it.

Hence the overwhelming evidence is that it is a net loser for the game. If it disappeared no one would miss it.  :salute
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 02:30:11 PM
I don't see a lot of "Thank God ENY helped me" posts. The whines of limitation will always outnumber the cheers for "mitigation".  I've seen nothing to indicate the cries of being outnumbered or horded have subsided due to this supposedly helpful "mitigating" process. Ot perhaps the goal is to even out the crying? That might seem fair, but I'd argue against it.

Hence the overwhelming evidence is that it is a net loser for the game. If it disappeared no one would miss it.  :salute

Well that's a fantastic example of presumptive thought. People don't generally go around excited and thankful for things that don't bother them. A false equivalency doesn't add weight to a faulty perception.  :old:
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: SPKmes on October 21, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
I am running a test with  ENY side balancing disabling.

Will see what happens.
I am fairly sure I know what will happen but will see.

HiTech

I don't believe a total disabling is what's being called for.... A different threshold for when it kicks in and how heavy handed it is. Numbers per side (plus minus squiggly thingee) total player arena (plus minus squiggly thingee) total whines recorded (plus minus squiggly thingee #no nonsensesense!!@you got this. I don't know computer but it is all just math in the end isn't it? There must be an equation that works... who knows there could be a Fields medal in it....click here to see the simple 44 page equation that changed the face of gaming hahahaha
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 21, 2020, 03:14:11 PM
Geez, for the umpteen millionth time. It gives outnumbered sides at least a fighting chance since their being outnumbered is at least somewhat mitigated by making the horde use something other than the uberest of rides with which to roll the map. Basic concept.
maybe they what it's purpose was but that's not what is actually happening now unless you're counting tower sitters... For the millionth time
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
maybe (that was) it's purpose was but that's not what is actually happening now unless you're counting tower sitters... For the millionth time

You control your own ENY disability .... for the millionth time. (And yes, chess piece fanatic loyalty, squad separation anxiety, and 'you can't make me' prevents that ... and all.)  :D
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 21, 2020, 03:29:40 PM
You control your own ENY disability .... for the millionth time. (And yes, chess piece fanatic loyalty, squad separation anxiety, and 'you can't make me' prevents that ... and all.)  :D
my main plane set is a Brewster ENY unaffected I've also been playing all three chess pieces but that's not the point that's just me other paying customers may not want to
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
my main plane set is a Brewster ENY unaffected I've also been playing all three chess pieces but that's not the point that's just me other paying customers may not want to

Well, that's good to hear but do you really believe that you are playing advocate for what's in the best interest of all other players? Other paying customers is a lot of people and not just a half dozen disgruntled ones who have made this their be all/end all issue.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 21, 2020, 04:52:44 PM
Your defending a goofy game rule by saying it can be avoided. Explain why it shouldn't be eliminated? what value does it bring to a player?


I don't have to explain anything... I am not complaining. I have figured out how to not be affected by eny. It is not a secret.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: LCADolby on October 21, 2020, 04:53:35 PM
ENY diasaled,

I hypothesise;
2 countries wafflestomp the 3rd, and the 3rd country players, alienated and frustrated log off, never to return.
ENY crybabies win, the game loses
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 21, 2020, 04:54:28 PM
Well, that's good to hear but do you really believe that you are playing advocate for what's in the best interest of all other players? Other paying customers is a lot of people and not just a half dozen disgruntled ones who have made this their be all/end all issue.
I never speak for others only for myself but I digress...ENY needs Tweaking.. or stop giving out perks for winning the war for a while
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 21, 2020, 04:58:29 PM
ENY diasaled,

I hypothesise;
2 countries wafflestomp the 3rd, and the 3rd country players, alienated and frustrated log off, never to return.
ENY crybabies win, the game loses
nope... Few nights ago knights had 29ENY for most of the time we were taking bases and still won the war
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 21, 2020, 05:01:36 PM
I never know who wins the war.... I just know when the plane I am fighting goes down or if mine does.

That is why I carry extra parts.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: LCADolby on October 21, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
nope... Few nights ago knights had 29ENY for most of the time we were taking bases and still won the war

A sample of one instance is not very scientific
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 21, 2020, 05:04:26 PM
A sample of one instance is not very scientific
look dolby I'm just here Perk farming my post counts so I can be a radioactive member one day :cheers: :D
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: guncrasher on October 21, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
A sample of one instance is not very scientific

actually we win wars with eny all the time.


semp
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Vinkman on October 21, 2020, 05:42:35 PM

I don't have to explain anything... I am not complaining. I have figured out how to not be affected by eny. It is not a secret.

no one asked how to avoid it. we all know.

Vinkman - “Hey there’s a cinder block in the middle of the road, let’s move it”

Shuffler - “Why bother when you can just drive around it”.

 :salute
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
Because 'cinder blocks in the road' sounds like a masterful correlation here.  :rofl
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: guncrasher on October 21, 2020, 05:50:58 PM
no one asked how to avoid it. we all know.

Vinkman - “Hey there’s a cinder block in the middle of the road, let’s move it”

Shuffler - “Why bother when you can just drive around it”.

 :salute

and while you are moving it, another car runs you over.


semp
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Vinkman on October 21, 2020, 05:53:36 PM
just to be clear, Gun crasher and Arlo are for leaving the cinder block in the road.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 05:57:53 PM
just to be clear, Gun crasher and Arlo are for leaving the cinder block in the road.

It's not 'a cinder block in the road.'

(https://geekwisdom.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/janet-not-a-robot-not-a-girl.gif)
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 21, 2020, 06:07:39 PM
look dolby I'm just here Perk farming my post counts so I can be a radioactive member one day :cheers: :D

You've got a long way to go but you did have a late start.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: guncrasher on October 21, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
just to be clear, Gun crasher and Arlo are for leaving the cinder block in the road.

maybe the way i see it, is that it may cause other problems.

hitech just said he's gonna do a no eny test.  i already know the answer to that.

semp
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: SPKmes on October 21, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
Oldest trick in the book.... when you get out to move people steal your ...shtuff...

those two leave it because they put it there

Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2020, 09:06:00 PM
I've been flying under the Bish flag for the better part of 20 years, and I normally fly morning hours (EST) which almost guarantees a hi ENY. If it becomes too bothersome I change sides...problem solved. How easy was that?  :old:

But....if you change sides then you are a traitor!  :old:
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Oldman731 on October 21, 2020, 09:08:42 PM
I am running a test with  ENY side balancing disabling.

Will see what happens.
I am fairly sure I know what will happen but will see.

HiTech


Thanks, HiTech.  Whichever way it turns out, you gave the ENY whiners a let's-see-what-happens opportunity.  Maybe, just possibly, it will put this issue to rest.

- oldman
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Meatwad on October 21, 2020, 09:13:33 PM
no one asked how to avoid it. we all know.

Vinkman - “Hey there’s a cinder block in the middle of the road, let’s move it”

Shuffler - “Why bother when you can just drive around it”.

 :salute

The cinder block will stop a 50 ton tank in its tracks if it hits it. Or the tread of the tank will just ever so slightly touch the corner of the cinder block, which will make a cinder block all angry and glitchy. Then these little stubby arms pop out and throw your tank upside down on its turrent.

Its happened, I seen it  :old:
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Wiley on October 22, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
I am running a test with  ENY side balancing disabling.

Will see what happens.
I am fairly sure I know what will happen but will see.

HiTech

 :huh :O

I didn't realize it was like saying "Bettlejuice"...  Um...

HT should change the side switch timer to 1 hour.  HT should change the side switch timer to 1 hour.  HT should change the side switch timer to 1 hour.

HT should add the Bearcat.  HT should add the Bearcat.  HT should add the Bearcat.

 :D :bolt:

Wiley.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: SPKmes on October 22, 2020, 12:03:37 PM
Well   20 when I got on last night ... sure the map not being won in the hour before helped... but it was blissful ... not a whine to be seen ... it was slow though... of the names on there were not a lot actually playing  :blank:
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 22, 2020, 12:34:55 PM
:huh :O

I didn't realize it was like saying "Bettlejuice"...  Um...

HT should change the side switch timer to 1 hour.  HT should change the side switch timer to 1 hour.  HT should change the side switch timer to 1 hour.

HT should add the Bearcat.  HT should add the Bearcat.  HT should add the Bearcat.

 :D :bolt:

Wiley.


 :rofl
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 22, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
You've got a long way to go but you did have a late start.
ya I know lol I started playing in 04 but didn't discover the BBS until much later
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 22, 2020, 01:05:52 PM
ya I know lol I started playing in 04 but didn't discover the BBS until much later

Great! You were talking about becoming a radioactive member, someday. If HT could or would give you my post count then I'd be glad to contribute to your aspiration. Other than that, you went off track and I watched you derail. :ahand
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 22, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
ya I know lol I started playing in 04 but didn't discover the BBS until much later

I too was playing well before I ever came to the boards.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: scott66 on October 22, 2020, 02:10:08 PM
Great! You were talking about becoming a radioactive member, someday. If HT could or would give you my post count then I'd be glad to contribute to your aspiration. Other than that, you went off track and I watched you derail. :ahand
Ya I have AD....... Oh look a squirrel!!!
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Vinkman on October 22, 2020, 04:59:44 PM
I too was playing well before I ever came to the boards.

wasaaaaaaaay more kills than posts.  :)
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Shuffler on October 22, 2020, 07:21:58 PM
wasaaaaaaaay more kills than posts.  :)

LOL I have killed myself far more times than I have posted.
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: Arlo on October 22, 2020, 07:36:09 PM
LOL I have killed myself far more times than I have posted.

*Whew* I thought it was just me.  :D
Title: Re: Nothing says 'dont play here' like ENY
Post by: TBlayde on October 22, 2020, 11:19:59 PM
I am running a test with  ENY side balancing disabling.

Will see what happens.
I am fairly sure I know what will happen but will see.

HiTech

Wewt Wewt!

I will try it out first thing Friday evening. :)

Thank You !!