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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Scared on October 28, 2020, 05:16:22 PM
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I know the crowd who plays this game is on the older side. :old: I am sure many of you suffer from some sort of chronic pain. I was wondering if any of you have tried CBD. Last month I said what the heck and bought some of the Tommy Chong stuff. It is nano-CBD, which is the new thing I guess. Supposedly it is more bio-available. A little bit goes a long way according to them. I have to say, it works. I don't have what you would call severe pain, but being a large fella I do get my aches and I have went from eating 3 or 4 800mb Ibuprofen a day to one at most, sometimes none. I am really curious about other brands that any of you might have tried. All of them have reviews, but I would rather rely on the opinion of actual people in the real world (or virtual world hehe). Anyway, I know this is kind of an odd post, but I am curious about other people's experiences with CBD for pain.
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I have tried some CBD products but never really found one that solidly worked. I do on the other hand use cannabis, including a high CBD strain. I most certainly enjoy the recreational side of it, but it has also brought me some relief for multiple issues. Got a bunch of aches and pains myself and rarely find myself reaching for the ibuprofen or muscle relaxants now. It also very much helps with stress/anxiety relief, which I also believe contributes to physical ailments. But by far for me the best benefit is as a sleep aid, works wonderfully and gets me off a prescription that had me concerned about the long term side effects.
I realize you were asking about CBD and my reply doesn't directly relate but just wanted to share because I believe there is a lot of beneficial cannabinoids beyond just CBD and hopefully someday when people educate themselves all their benefits can be studied. Hopefully it will be legal in my state come spring, thanks Covid as they are desperate for money, and be able to explore many more strains for their benefits.
In the meantime maybe I will have to give the Tommy Chong CBD a try. Always looking for the benefits without necessarily experiencing the intoxication.
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I have tried some CBD products but never really found one that solidly worked.
for me it seemed like it took a few days to build up in my system or something. the chong nano-cbd is 100mg per bottle, but their claim is that it is 8-10x as effective as normal cbd oils. Also it is not an oil formulation, it is water based and includes some other ingredients, vitamins and melatonin and velerian for the night time dose. My initial mistake was not taking it sublingual. I tried just mixing it with a drink and that didn't seem to do the trick. Anyway, thanks for the reply. I too enjoy the ganja but unfortunately in WV it is still illegal and they are slow as heck about implementing the medical cannibus that they already approved. But we are #50 in everything, so it will probably be another 20 years before we catch up.
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I know the crowd who plays this game is on the older side. :old: I am sure many of you suffer from some sort of chronic pain. I was wondering if any of you have tried CBD. Last month I said what the heck and bought some of the Tommy Chong stuff. It is nano-CBD, which is the new thing I guess. Supposedly it is more bio-available. A little bit goes a long way according to them. I have to say, it works. I don't have what you would call severe pain, but being a large fella I do get my aches and I have went from eating 3 or 4 800mb Ibuprofen a day to one at most, sometimes none. I am really curious about other brands that any of you might have tried. All of them have reviews, but I would rather rely on the opinion of actual people in the real world (or virtual world hehe). Anyway, I know this is kind of an odd post, but I am curious about other people's experiences with CBD for pain.
Tincture
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In my past 45 years of experience I have found the best CBD products have >100x more THC in them than CDB
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Eagler
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I have a lot of arthritis. We have legal medical marijuana here, and on the ballot an initiative to legalize recreational. I find while counter-intuitive, staying physically active and strong helps my arthritis a lot, although it may cause short-term pain too. I especially enjoy long hikes in the mountains. But to get back to the OP topic I make my own edibles from both high THC & high CBD bud, and use about a 50:50 ratio. It's helped me cut back about 80% on NSAID and opioid pain meds and also on prescription sleep med. What I don't like about it is I get really dry eyes and mouth. Like many things you build a tolerance to THC & CBD both, and either need to keep increasing your dose, or take breaks to keep your dose low. I know folks here that use various CBD commercial products. But for me, other than the bit of extra work, I like getting the bud because I know what is in my concoction, and my local favorite high CBD strain (Nightengale) is about 20% CBD, that's 200 mg of CBD for $10, which is good for about 15 doses at my current dosage.
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I have a lot of arthritis. We have legal medical marijuana here, and on the ballot an initiative to legalize recreational. I find while counter-intuitive, staying physically active and strong helps my arthritis a lot, although it may cause short-term pain too. I especially enjoy long hikes in the mountains. But to get back to the OP topic I make my own edibles from both high THC & high CBD bud, and use about a 50:50 ratio. It's helped me cut back about 80% on NSAID and opioid pain meds and also on prescription sleep med. What I don't like about it is I get really dry eyes and mouth. Like many things you build a tolerance to THC & CBD both, and either need to keep increasing your dose, or take breaks to keep your dose low. I know folks here that use various CBD commercial products. But for me, other than the bit of extra work, I like getting the bud because I know what is in my concoction, and my local favorite high CBD strain (Nightengale) is about 20% CBD, that's 200 mg of CBD for $10, which is good for about 15 doses at my current dosage.
I know.. i been sitting on my butt way to much for the last 30 years. lol. it caught up to me. i am only 48 but i feel 148. do you use one of those machines to make your edibles? I am afraid of screwing up and wasting the bud.
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Have rheumatoid arthritis and degenerative disc disease. Making your self get up and move makes a world of difference.
Have found CBD helps but the best is a mixture of CBD and THC. I haven't taken any kind of pain meds for years and rarely even ibuprofen. Also moved from a terrible humid/stormy climate, to a desert climate. Made a huge difference!
I tried a salve that I got for my wife for her hands. I was blown away how well it works. It is about 50/50 CBD and THC. It is called "Nordic Goddess balm". You don't feel much if anything from the THC content. The key to the balms seems to be a mixture of CBD and THC and works better than just CBD. Wife doesn't like the high from THC and this works wonders. Would be my number 1 thing to try first.
Different strains of cannabis work better than others for your specific needs. Like Bug said it really helps for sleeping.
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from what you guys are telling me, i need a mixture of thc and cbd for the best results. there are seeds now...called auto flower. a friend of mine used them. I might look into that. I just wish it would go legal nation wide. It would save so much suffering. I know there would be kids and idiots that abused it, but I feel like the good would out weigh the bad. I just hope the government does it before I get so old that I can't enjoy it.
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I tried CBD... did not do anything for me BUT I did sleep
better (I guess)... I prefer the real THC... However, I prefer
to bake it something or add it to a salad
BTW... heating THC in a frying pan for a minute or so
(for me) seems to increase its potency
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BTW... heating THC in a frying pan for a minute or so
(for me) seems to increase its potency
If by THC you are referring to flower it has to be heated to decarboxylate to fully activate the THC(drying/curing does activate a small amount), before using in edibles.
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there are seeds now...called auto flower. a friend of mine used them. I might look into that. I just wish it would go legal nation wide. It would save so much suffering. I know there would be kids and idiots that abused it, but I feel like the good would out weigh the bad. I just hope the government does it before I get so old that I can't enjoy it.
Autoflowers are plants that have been crossed with the ruderalis subspecies(opposed to sativa or indica). It makes for a smaller plant, quicker growth cycle and the reason for its name is that it begins flowering no matter the light cycle at a roughly set time period. There are pluses and minuses to growing autoflowers instead of photo-period but their genetics have much improved it seems and are becoming very popular. Growing the plants themselves becomes a hobby and therapy in itself.
I too hope it becomes legal soon. The mindset that made is illegal is extremely dated, ignorant and oppressive.
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Have rheumatoid arthritis and degenerative disc disease. Making your self get up and move makes a world of difference.
Have found CBD helps but the best is a mixture of CBD and THC. I haven't taken any kind of pain meds for years and rarely even ibuprofen. Also moved from a terrible humid/stormy climate, to a desert climate. Made a huge difference!
I tried a salve that I got for my wife for her hands. I was blown away how well it works. It is about 50/50 CBD and THC. It is called "Nordic Goddess balm". You don't feel much if anything from the THC content. The key to the balms seems to be a mixture of CBD and THC and works better than just CBD. Wife doesn't like the high from THC and this works wonders. Would be my number 1 thing to try first.
Different strains of cannabis work better than others for your specific needs. Like Bug said it really helps for sleeping.
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Would love to get ahold of some THC/CBD salve. I have read having the THC in there makes a huge difference. Contemplated making my own, but just haven't got around to it yet. Made my own edibles but getting the dosage right is not easy. Taking too much is not fun, trust me. :O
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..... Made my own edibles but getting the dosage right is not easy. Taking too much is not fun, trust me. :O
True, best to follow the adage "start low and go slow" if you're new to edibles. And give it some time, like at least 2 hours, before you decide to increase the dose. The active ingredients are fat-soluble, and take some time to assimilate and metabolize.
I'm very careful with weighing everything when I make my edibles. One nice aspect of the legal bud here is that is labeled with the % THC, CBD, etc....so I can carefully dose myself. Lately about 13 mg each THC & CBD seems about right for me. Following total hip replacement surgery last fall I was up to more like about 25 mg each to get the desired effect, and that on top of other pain meds then. Now it's mostly 2 aleve prior to a big hike, then my "concoction" after dinner to help with sleep, about 2 to 4 nights/ week.
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If by THC you are referring to flower it has to be heated to decarboxylate to fully activate the THC(drying/curing does activate a small amount), before using in edibles.
My local clinic suggests decarbing 30 minutes at 250 degrees.
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My advice is to get a trainer. This will help you tremendously with pain, as it did for me. I couldn't believe it after a few months. Doing light workouts and stretches twice a week with a trainer will greatly help your deep pain. It did far more than any THC or CBD.
If it's nerve damage or some such serious pain, probably surgery is your best bet.
CBD and THC do not make the pain go away for good. They just make you feel better for a few hours, THC can relax you and help the stress in your brain of the pain. In your case, I would highly recommend edibles rather than smoking it. Smoking it, while fun, is not good for the lungs and can make your head feel congested. Also, liquid versions of it are good aswell. You can put a few drops of it under your tongue. CBD is great for reducing inflammation in your joints. Thats really what is alleviating the pain. THC is the brain aspect of it that helps you to be more relaxed.
I would not recommend Sativa based THC. It can make you feel very paranoid. Indica based THC will help you to relax and will help you sleep. Indica edibles will put you right out to sleep. As others suggested, you do build a tolerance so eating them every day will have less and less effects unless you eat much more.
IMO I think you need both THC and CBD to make it work the best. The best is when you feel a nice body high that makes you feel warm and cozy.
You can also try music to alleviate some pain for a short period. Crazy I know, but chill music, like music from the YouTube channel Fluidified, can relax your brain and your thinking of the pain. The vibrations of the music in your head can help relax your brain which will relax your muscles and your joints, almost like forgetting the pain is there.
THC + CBD + chill music + ice cream after = very good for the soul.
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bro...i am disabled and on west virginia medicaid...there is no trainer in my future. however. i need to do some of the exercises you mentioned. oh well. we should all do something we don't. anyway guys thanks for the input.
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bro...i am disabled and on west virginia medicaid...there is no trainer in my future. however. i need to do some of the exercises you mentioned. oh well. we should all do something we don't. anyway guys thanks for the input.
If you did a 30-45 minute stretch routine every day or atleast twice a week, you'd probably feel so much better. Also if you did a some light workouts using your own body weight it will help a lot. A lot of times, its weak muscles in certain areas that are causing the pain. That was my issue. It did far more for me than any pain drug would do.
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I know it has worked really well for many, but not all.
There are so many brands, and methods of ingestion that make it difficult to advise someone on what will work for them. There’s tincture (under tongue), vaping it, edibles and even creams iirc.
I tried Koi brand 500mg tincture for anxiety and sleep. I kept burping it up, nasty spearmint flavor and didn’t find it helped at all. However, the shop that sold it to me said I really should have gone with the 1000mg and given it more chance.
If you can find it works for you it’d be tons better for you in any form (with or without THC) than pain killers. Pain meds work for awhile until you’re dependent on them and need higher dose. Then the Dr says you can’t have any more after they got you there...not fun
I’ve seen Tommy Chong’s product, but don’t know or have any experience with his brand. I’d be skeptical of things from him....
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i get my stuff from the legion. it's sativa, but not really strong. but good enough for me. some do have stronger stuff, but i like the mild.
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There is a correlation between marijuana and high blood pressure...But not with CBD that they have found.
It could however be that smoking it is the cause of the correlation, I’ve not researched it much further than that. I gave it up a long time ago when it started to give me anxiety.
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If by THC you are referring to flower it has to be heated to decarboxylate to fully activate the THC(drying/curing does activate a small amount), before using in edibles.
To each his/her own :aok
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To each his/her own :aok
Ah, what?
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There is a correlation between marijuana and high blood pressure...But not with CBD that they have found.
It could however be that smoking it is the cause of the correlation, I’ve not researched it much further than that. I gave it up a long time ago when it started to give me anxiety.
yeah I feel your pain, some of the really strong stuff gave me anxiety too. the key is dosage. don't take 3 huge bong rips, take one. some of the stuff had me so introspective that I was rethinking every damned decision I made since getting a divorce. lol. that can cause anxiety. right now I am just looking for pain relief. I mean, I know the THC is pretty much necessary for severe pain relief and nausea, but so far Chong has done me good. I am gonna try to be more active though. It is soooo easy to say, oh I hurt today, i don't wanna walk, or use the rubber bands. its sooooo easy. anyway thanks again for the responses guys.
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Just voted for legalizing it in AZ. Idk if it will happen and as RN I still won’t be able to partake until it’s federally legalized...
We shall see
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A Jay a day keeps the doctor away.
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Just voted for legalizing it in AZ. Idk if it will happen and as RN I still won’t be able to partake until it’s federally legalized...
We shall see
It never made sense to me how its perfectly okay to go home and pound 6 beers or half a 5th of whatever, but God forbid you smoke a few bowls or eat a gummy to help you relax after work. Drinking before going to work is bad. So using thc. Its a given. Drinking is far worse than thc on every metric.
I think legalization is right around the corner. Now that's its legal in DC, its a matter of time before more states do it. This is exactly what happened during prohibition.
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I have a little experience with CBD/THC,the one thing I found is everyone is different and the effects can be different for everyone!
As for CBD,dont get into all the hype,I use an isolate crystal form of CBD thats quite cheap and it's as effective as any of the more expensive formulas. For sleep I use a CBD/THC combo gummie and some tincture.I find the isolate works best if I take it 2 or 3 times a day,first thing when I get up I have a coffee and put a small bad of cbd under my tongue as it's best absorbed sublingual.
Now these auto flower seed,well they work and are quick to grow you get relatively small plants and low yields.If it's legal where you live get a strain you like and buy feminized seeds,these will grow a female plant and you can harvest some nice flower if you grow them to maturity.
I've been luck to have a license to grow 10 plants for a long time,going back to early 1990's but now anyone can grow 4 plants and you see it all over the place,people you would never think are growing it in their yard.
As Bug mentioned you need to heat the stuff to decarb it to make it active for edibles,not difficult and there's a large amount of videos out there that will walk you through the steps to make your own edibles.BEWARE it's difficult to figure out dosages and you can make a batch of too potent{your fav edible} so always proceed with caution. I prefer to use a concentrate to make edibles,it tastes better and it's easier to get close to a certain dosage,1 gram equals 750 to 950 mg of THC,I go with caution and say it's 1000mg and use that for proportions.I make 20 cookies that have aprox 50mg of THC.
Making your own CBD is a difficult affair so I find it much easier to just buy it.
YMMV!
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PS: I have been growing the stuff since the early 70's,Never saw what all the fuss was about.