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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: spudman on September 02, 2022, 05:51:45 PM
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Jane Fonda announced she has lymphoma. Karma. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/jane-fonda-announces-cancer-diagnosis-shes-started-chemotherapy/story?id=89237041 (https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/jane-fonda-announces-cancer-diagnosis-shes-started-chemotherapy/story?id=89237041)(https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/shutterstock_7351950b.jpg?w=694)
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Will the line be first come/first served or take a number?
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I predict 7 posts
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Occurs that wife had same 18 years ago, still here, plus a few scars
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"IN"
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she will live. cancer is curable. some radiation and that's about it.
semp
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Lymphoma is chemo thing, not radiation. Over several visits (she was coughing up blood, had large mass in lung, had been smoker since she was 12) doc mentions "lung cancer only responds to surgery"......and..."whatever YOU have, is inoperable". Next visit, he opines that "you're kind of hoping for a lymphoma". (Read between the lines) That was longest 3 weeks of my life waiting for biopsy, etc. Turns out it was lymphoma
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They're already calling her a hero. BLECH!
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The beginning of the end..
It's just gotten worse since that photo was taken
Eagler
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Lymphoma is chemo thing, not radiation. Over several visits (she was coughing up blood, had large mass in lung, had been smoker since she was 12) doc mentions "lung cancer only responds to surgery"......and..."whatever YOU have, is inoperable". Next visit, he opines that "you're kind of hoping for a lymphoma". (Read between the lines) That was longest 3 weeks of my life waiting for biopsy, etc. Turns out it was lymphoma
lol, might have mentioned that was my wife
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article says she has non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. I had that when I was 29 and other than having a lymph node removed, I had zero treatments and I'm still here.
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That's what Barb had too, the biggest issue was an inoperable baseball sized node that grew near her diaphragm, and it wrecked the nerve to her right lung, and the thing never worked afterwards
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Hope she suffers horribly.
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I wouldn't wish suffering on anybody. Each of us will be judged one day - and we are all sinners.
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Well. There are matters of degree
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Hope she suffers horribly.
Always appalled by what you post.
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Always appalled by what you post.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/VFYJXIuuFl6pO/giphy.gif)
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Always appalled by what you post.
Yet not surprised.
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How many of the military veterans on here got to piss on the Hanoi Jane urinal cakes.... 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
Her face on those were the bullseye 🎯 🤣 😳 😂
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The thing about that war--i remember even as a kid, the anti-war types were venting their anger at the kids fighting it--NOT the politicians who got us into it, while simultaneously trying to micromanage it from 8 thousand miles away. Joan Baez belatedly realized this and apologized, Jane never did
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My Lord, google is an absolute sad mess when you try to research the ARVN and/or get statistics about SV soldiers and conscription vs. volunteer.
NVM at this point.
But has the thought ever crossed your mind about what happened to ARVN or SVA soldiers after capitulation?
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I wouldn't wish suffering on anybody. Each of us will be judged one day - and we are all sinners.
She supported killing Americans. I stand by my statement.
You judge people every day. You just don't realize it.
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My Lord, google is an absolute sad mess when you try to research the ARVN and/or get statistics about SV soldiers and conscription vs. volunteer.
NVM at this point.
But has the thought ever crossed your mind about what happened to ARVN or SVA soldiers after capitulation?
that ALSO occurred to me as a kid--"STOP THE WAR!" What they neglected to say was the war most certainly wouldn't stop, and many of those who remained would be slaughtered
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The thing about that war--i remember even as a kid, the anti-war types were venting their anger at the kids fighting it--NOT the politicians who got us into it, while simultaneously trying to micromanage it from 8 thousand miles away. Joan Baez belatedly realized this and apologized, Jane never did
I'm not a big fan of Jane, but I am of the truth.
Since then, Fonda has apologized repeatedly for the “Hanoi Jane” photo, and clarified that her actions during the Vietnam War were in protest of the U.S. government and not against soldiers. She addressed the photo in her 2005 memoir My Life So Far
https://time.com/5116479/jane-fonda-hanoi-jane-nickname/ (https://time.com/5116479/jane-fonda-hanoi-jane-nickname/)
Guess what? People have been known to say and do stupid nonsense in their early twenties.
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Here is a link to her apology from a 20/20 interview with Barbara Walters:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/22/fact-check-barbara-walters-did-not-write-post-jane-fonda-vietnam/5446508002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/22/fact-check-barbara-walters-did-not-write-post-jane-fonda-vietnam/5446508002/)
During a 1988 "20/20" interview with (Barbara) Walters, Fonda apologized for her actions during her trip and the things she said about American soldiers.
"Jane Fonda told me that she now realizes in her urgent desire to end the war, she unthinkingly caused pain to many Americans who fought in Vietnam," Walters said during the broadcast. "In our interview tonight, she speaks directly to former prisoners of war, to Vietnam veterans and their families. And confronting her past, she then apologizes."
“I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things that I said or did," Fonda said. "I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I’m … very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families.”
In many articles and interviews, she expressed regret for her actions and called it a mistake (even "unforgivable"), but until this article I hadn't seen the words "I'm sorry". I guess its up to each of us how we choose to react to it.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/jane-fonda-issues-new-apology-for-controverisal-anti-american-vietnam-photo-from-1972/
From 2018. Meh
Although she did not say she regretted the trip itself, which earned her the nickname “Hanoi Jane,” she did tell the Television Critics Association’s Summer Press Tour that one part has given her second thoughts.
“I am proud I went to Vietnam when I did,” she said, according to Fox News. But she said she regretted a notorious photo that emerged from the tour: One of Fonda at an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot American planes out of the sky
I am so sorry that I was thoughtless enough to sit down on that gun at that time and the message that that sends to the guys who were there and their families – it’s just horrible for me to think of that,” she said.
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Here is a link to her apology from a 20/20 interview with Barbara Walters:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/22/fact-check-barbara-walters-did-not-write-post-jane-fonda-vietnam/5446508002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/22/fact-check-barbara-walters-did-not-write-post-jane-fonda-vietnam/5446508002/)
During a 1988 "20/20" interview with (Barbara) Walters, Fonda apologized for her actions during her trip and the things she said about American soldiers.
In many articles and interviews, she expressed regret for her actions and called it a mistake (even "unforgivable"), but until this article I hadn't seen the words "I'm sorry". I guess its up to each of us how we choose to react to it.
CptTrips Time.com link suggests it has an apology from her to US veterans, but I didn’t see one in there. Saying something was a mistake and/or misconstrued is NOT an apology.
However, Oboe, your link is the only actual apology I’ve ever seen in the words “I’m sorry.”
1972-1988, so it took her ~16 years to actually apologize :uhoh
More in Trips link should concern though ‘still not proud of America’.
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I would not wish a death from cancer on anyone, well perhaps pedophiles.
Having said that. If all jane fonda did was protest the war I would not give a crap about it. Lots of folks did that. What she did was willingly travel to north viet nam and become a willing propaganda tool of the enemy. In short she "gave aid and comfort to the enemy". She knew she was doing that at the time and only became repentant over it when it effected her acting career. Given the treasonous act of supporting the enemy in a time of war, as opposed to merely protesting our government's position, she became a criminal not just a war protester. She has never been held accountable for her actions. Her "apologies" do not cut it with me or a lot of Vets. No I am NOT a nam Vet but I did lose family there. One of the reasons I will refuse to visit lbj's grave site as well because it is illegal to piss on a grave, or at least get caught doing that.
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I've been to Arlington a few times, have some kin buried there as well. When you leave the visitor center and walk down the main walk that soon splits off into many paths, there's a HUGE McDonald's-esque grave marker on the right. Belongs to Robert S. McNamara, the reason so many of the other markers exist. Contrast that to John McCain's father, a retired admiral, small nondescript marker that could have belonged to one of his orderlies
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At least half of hollywood hates the US as much or more than da jane did then - more or less depending on who is running the show - but you still go and pay them millions to watch their usually crappy movies..
Eagler
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At least half of hollywood hates the US as much or more than da jane did then - more or less depending on who is running the show - but you still go and pay them millions to watch their usually crappy movies..
Feelings .... nothing more than feelings .... painting a fake picture .... based on feelings. Feelings .... whoa whoa whoa .... feelings. :aok
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Feelings .... nothing more than feelings .... painting a fake picture .... based on feelings. Feelings .... whoa whoa whoa .... feelings. :aok
And yet another incitive and useless response from arlo.
Thank you for your contribution to all of these threads...
Coogan
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And yet another incitive and useless response from arlo.
Thank you for your contribution to all of these threads...
I can translate it if you want (or even if you don't). Claiming half of Hollywood 'hates the US' is hyperbole at best and appears emotionally driven with no real evidence behind it. The incisive element doesn't rest with me. You're as 'accurate' as you are with most of your posts here. You're welcome. :)
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...If all jane fonda did was protest the war I would not give a crap about it. Lots of folks did that. What she did was willingly travel to north viet nam and become a willing propaganda tool of the enemy. In short she "gave aid and comfort to the enemy". She knew she was doing that at the time and only became repentant over it when it effected her acting career. Given the treasonous act of supporting the enemy in a time of war, as opposed to merely protesting our government's position, she became a criminal not just a war protester. She has never been held accountable for her actions. Her "apologies" do not cut it with me or a lot of Vets.
Amen, brother.
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She supported killing Americans. I stand by my statement.
So does anyone who ‘backs the blue.’
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THAT would need further explanation
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Being a contrarian against obvious truths is now considered hip and edgy. The more obvious the truth, the hipper and edgier it is to rail against it.
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Being a contrarian against obvious truths is now considered hip and edgy. The more obvious the truth, the hipper and edgier it is to rail against it.
but what is the truth.
semp
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Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A.
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but what is the truth.
semp
(https://c.tenor.com/DGlbJWqzeNEAAAAM/cant-handle-the-truth.gif)
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Some people just do not have a moral compass. A basic idea of what is right and wrong.
Jane Fonda disgusts me. I doubt she was ever sorry for what she did.
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I bet her father was proud.
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What she did is inexcusable. Treason punishable by death. She wishes you would forget. She then can do as she pleases and just apologize some tome later with no issues.
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I have always wondered why fonda was singled out. there were thousands of people protesting, burning American flags, draft dodgers, people spitting on returning servicemen, throwing crap at them.
in high school I asked my history teacher, a vet that lost part of a foot what he thought about her. he just said she was one of many but she was famous.
semp
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Yeah, it's so strange semp. I mean, just because she actually flew to North Vietnam for a photo op and sympathy session with the Vietcong. A big American star that had influence was in Vietnam consoling the enemy.
You know. Traveling around with the enemy saying anti-American things that were broadcast as propaganda by the enemy
So it really is baffling why she was singled out.
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:rolleyes:
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I have always wondered why fonda was singled out.
semp
Did you look at the picture? She’s sitting on an active AAA gun used to shoot down U.S. military aircraft wearing an NVA issued helmet. She’s not protesting, she’s providing aid and comfort to the enemy aka treason.
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Yeah, it's so strange semp. I mean, just because she actually flew to North Vietnam for a photo op and sympathy session with the Vietcong. A big American star that had influence was in Vietnam consoling the enemy.
You know. Traveling around with the enemy saying anti-American things that were broadcast as propaganda by the enemy
So it really is baffling why she was singled out.
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:rolleyes:
you mean she went alone? who else was there?.
semp
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you mean she went alone? who else was there?.
semp
well she didn't go with the thousands of American protesters that you asked your teacher about. He must have been a bright guy too because he told you she was one of thousands - just more famous
she went with her no-name husband.
:rolleyes:
I have always wondered why fonda was singled out. there were thousands of people protesting, burning American flags, draft dodgers, people spitting on returning servicemen, throwing crap at them.
in high school I asked my history teacher, a vet that lost part of a foot what he thought about her. he just said she was one of many but she was famous.
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you mean she went alone? who else was there?.
semp
Your mom
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Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A.
:rofl
Eight ball in the corner pocket! CLACK!!! thunk Game over.
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you mean she went alone? who else was there?.
semp
No one else that attracted (or could) that much publicity.
Are you implying she was put up to doing it by someone or group? :noid
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She went with her dirtbag husband.
Semp is baffled why she is singled out when thousands of Americans protested at home and did the same thing she did by going to Vietnam and meeting with the enemy.
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Roger Vadim?
I don’t think I knew anything about him until this thread.
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She went with her dirtbag husband.
Semp is baffled why she is singled out when thousands of Americans protested at home and did the same thing she did by going to Vietnam and meeting with the enemy.
no, I'm baffled by the fake outrage of some here. she was used as propaganda on the west, in Vietnam they were showing videos of protests at colleges and universities chanting for uncle ho. those videos boosted morale more than Jane fonda did.
the irony is if she had avoided the draft, insulted a pow vet and a gold star family, you would have given her a pass.
semp
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no, I'm baffled by the fake outrage of some here. she was used as propaganda on the west, in Vietnam they were showing videos of protests at colleges and universities chanting for uncle ho. those videos boosted morale more than Jane fonda did.
the irony is if she had avoided the draft, insulted a pow vet and a gold star family, you would have given her a pass.
semp
Asthmatic?
40 years of video and not one asthma attack :noid
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Asthmatic?
40 years of video and not one asthma attack :noid
No, bone spurs.
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Just to be clear. Semp thinks that going to meet the enemy for publicity and support of the enemy in time of war is no different than protesting at home.
:rolleyes:
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No, bone spurs.
Whataboutism much?
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The syndrome has arrived...all goes orange these days...
Back to topic...
The Vietnam war should never have happened
The Vietnamese should have been given their freedom from the French when they fought against the Japanese during WW2 as promised..but way too many military complex $$$ to ignore there...just like the latest few "wars"
Waiting for the staged event to inspire some sort of temporary national patriotism involving Ukraine to pull us in nice and deep and $$$$$$ for many into that mess...
Eagler
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Countries created out of whole cloth by various statesmen rarely work out
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The Vietnam war should never have happened
The Vietnamese should have been given their freedom from the French when they fought against the Japanese during WW2 as promised..but way too many military complex $$$ to ignore there...just like the latest few "wars"
Eagler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
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Your link starts late...after the french withdrawal in the 50's
The French should not have been in Vietnam after ww2 but just couldn't stay away..until they had lost enough soldiers for basically nothing...then the US jumped in to have her turn...
...at least it didn't last 20 years like our latest ones...
Eagler
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Your link starts late...after the french withdrawal in the 50's
Eagler
There is links and 'Background'.
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Thanks, Milo. How did you find that place? Wikipedia is it called?
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When Roosevelt died on April 12, 1945, so did any resolve by the US government to prevent a French return to Vietnam. His successor, Harry Truman, was more concerned with stability in a postwar Europe than with dismantling French colonial rule in Indochina.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/hist-wwii-jap.htm
The post ww2 land reorg provided the ground work for future conflict we have been enduring since
Eagler
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What she did is inexcusable. Treason punishable by death.
There's a good segue into January 6th, Ukrainian quid pro quo, and holding secret documents as a citizen.
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We all did stupid things when we were younger. Should we be judged for them for the rest of our life?
Maybe mine were more stupid than most but I'm not that guy anymore.
Just say'n.
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Leopards and spots.
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Yep, we all did stupid things. True.
How many of us did stupid things that resulted in severe beatings and injuries to our fellow countrymen?
I was in UPT with two gentlemen that stayed at the Hanoi Hilton. Both reported that severe beatings by guards massively increased during <spit> Hanoi Jane's <spit> visit to North Vietnam. These resulted in injuries to the inmates that stayed with them for years after repatriation. Post visit, the beatings significantly decreased.
Yep. I'm going to judge her for that for the rest of her days.
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Yep, that visit was a truly bone-headed idea by a silly empty headed little celebrity girl getting in way over her head.
Salute to all those service men, especially those who had to endure years of captivity. Even if their country was in the wrong, that is not their call to make (outside of a ballot box) and their personal sacrifice and heroism is without question.
Of course I know a guy who would roll his eyes and state he "prefers heroes who didn't get captured, OK?"
Should that guy get judged harshly as well for his unforgivable disrespect of our POW veterans?
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I can respect a man for his service and still think he’s an a-hole. Same goes for POWs. Or are they incapable of being flawed individuals?
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I can respect a man for his service and still think he’s an a-hole. Same goes for POWs. Or are they incapable of being flawed individuals?
So you're OK with casting shame on all the POW veterans for their imprisonment? Like for some reason getting captured was their fault or something?
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Wonder, who it was spitting on those that returned?
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Wonder, who it was spitting on those that returned?
Sounds like you'd be OK with that.
You also prefer heroes who weren't captured?
What a patriot.
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Yep, that visit was a truly bone-headed idea by a silly empty headed little celebrity girl getting in way over her head.
Salute to all those service men, especially those who had to endure years of captivity. Even if their country was in the wrong, that is not their call to make (outside of a ballot box) and their personal sacrifice and heroism is without question.
Of course I know a guy who would roll his eyes and state he "prefers heroes who didn't get captured, OK?"
Should that guy get judged harshly as well for his unforgivable disrespect of our POW veterans?
Why is it that you and others can't talk about an issue without "Orange Man Bad" becoming involved? I believe that sort of thing is called deflecting.
Stay on topic please. :D
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All the usual suspects trying their darnedest to get all the threads they don't like locked.
Way to go.
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The duplicity in this thread is quite astounding. Hanoi Jane did nothing wrong meanwhile anyone who used any means possible not to fight “an illegal war” is contemptuous.
You people are amusing.
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Hanoi Jane, cancer? Sorry to hear that. That it took so long I mean.
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The duplicity in this thread is quite astounding. Hanoi Jane did nothing wrong meanwhile anyone who used any means possible not to fight “an illegal war” is contemptuous.
You people are amusing.
Exactly, Hanoi Jane did nothing wrong in her visit to Nort Bee Et Nahm while "Orange Man Bad" is contemptuous for successfully avoiding serving in the exact same conflict.
The most amusing part of it all is that they can't/won't see their own duplicity.
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Why is it that you and others can't talk about an issue without "Orange Man Bad" becoming involved? I believe that sort of thing is called deflecting.
Stay on topic please. :D
Are you OK with what he said? You share that view?
Does anyone doubt that if the NV had offered him a hotel deal in Hanoi, he'd be on that trip with Jane in a heartbeat?
A guy who would say that is as bad as Hanoi Jane, IMHO.
Your outrage is extremely selective.
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Are you OK with what he said? You share that view?
Does anyone doubt that if the NV had offered him a hotel del in Hanoi, he'd be on that trip with Jane in a heartbeat?
A guy who would say that is as bad as Hanoi Jane, IMHO.
More deflecting. If you want to talk about "Orange Man Bad" please start your own thread and stop trying to hijack this one.
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More deflecting. If you want to talk about "Orange Man Bad" please start your own thread and stop trying to hijack this one.
Spot on.
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Your outrage is extremely selective.
More projection on your part because I'm not outraged in the slightest.
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More deflecting. If you want to talk about "Orange Man Bad" please start your own thread and stop trying to hijack this one.
So Elfie is OK with spitting on POW veterans. Hmmm. (Or at least he is OK with certain people spitting on them.)
Why do you and that guy feel that a veteran held in captivity is somehow less worthy of respect than any other?
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So Elfie is OK with spitting on POW veterans. Hmmm.
Why do you and that guy feel that a veteran held in captivity is somehow less worthy of respect than any other?
Reported.