General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MiloMorai on September 19, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
Title: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 19, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
It is not just the burning of coal that is bad.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Eagler on September 19, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
China doesn't care nor should we until they and India do
Eagler
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: sparky127 on September 19, 2022, 02:55:20 PM
Everyone should want a cleaner world. However, hobbling ourselves while India and China pollute with impunity is like castrating yourself because your neighbor has too many kids. The ONLY way to solve this problem is by issuing the big polluters of the world an ultimatum: You have five years to clean up your act or the reentry trails commence.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 19, 2022, 03:11:10 PM
China doesn't care nor should we until they and India do
Eagler
So you don't care that USA people can't drink the water?
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Eagler on September 19, 2022, 03:16:36 PM
Mine comes from plastic bottles filled with Zephyrhills spring water...
I don't think anyone should drink what pases for city water these days
I don't think we should pay 10x for energy when it doesn't do anything as china and india spit in our faces as they build numerous new coal plants monthly
It's either a global issue or it's no issue at all
Eagler
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 19, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
China is doing more than what the USA is doing. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/china-is-going-green-here-s-how
Do you use bottled water when to take a shower?
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: nopoop on September 19, 2022, 03:29:53 PM
My God, do you have the stone tablets that algore brought down down from the mount ??
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Eagler on September 19, 2022, 03:30:47 PM
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 19, 2022, 03:38:37 PM
In fairness, China also leads the world in terms of installed wind and solar power, and investments in energy storage batteries, electric vehicles, and ultra-high transmission lines—all key elements for a clean energy transition. China has also pledged to peak related air emissions by 2030, and the Xi government has said it will drastically cut coal use in 2026 to meet that goal.
from your link
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2022, 03:53:51 PM
whatever happened to the clean burning coal we had 3 years ago. we need to go back to rinsing it.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: morfiend on September 19, 2022, 05:16:16 PM
whatever happened to the clean burning coal we had 3 years ago. we need to go back to rinsing it.
semp
:rofl
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: -gg- on September 19, 2022, 05:21:00 PM
The benefits of coal far outweigh the negatives. I'm sure the people that might be freezing the death in Europe wouldn't mind having some coal power plants fired up.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2022, 06:15:12 PM
The benefits of coal far outweigh the negatives. I'm sure the people that might be freezing the death in Europe wouldn't mind having some coal power plants fired up.
coal is only good if you grill or smoke some form of dead animal.
but since you asked there are coal power plants in europe, same as in texas. and texas froze last year.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: sparky127 on September 19, 2022, 06:23:37 PM
You've got to put "froze to death" in it's proper context... If it dips below 70 in Texas, out come the parkas.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2022, 06:32:23 PM
China builds another unfiltered coal plant every week and twice on Thursday, laughing at us all the while
laugh back at them we you put on clothes made in China.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Toad on September 19, 2022, 08:10:41 PM
Whew....thank goodness! I was growing weak without my daily dose of we're all gonna die immediately unless we.........
Truly, nuclear power is the answer right now though. The French have been using it extensively, getting ~ 70% of their power from nuke plants. Macron said in February that they are planning on building at least six more plants and maybe eight after that.
They haven't had any Fukishimas either.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2022, 08:50:49 PM
Whew....thank goodness! I was growing weak without my daily dose of we're all gonna die immediately unless we.........
Truly, nuclear power is the answer right now though. The French have been using it extensively, getting ~ 70% of their power from nuke plants. Macron said in February that they are planning on building at least six more plants and maybe eight after that.
They haven't had any Fukishimas either.
problem with nuclear power is nobody wants it nearby. and what to do about nuclear waste. we used to have governors against government not to not bring or transport thru their state.
it costs a lot more to have nuclear, coal or gas than wind or solar. unfortunately we are not there yet, so we need all of it. for now.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: RotBaron on September 19, 2022, 09:55:25 PM
In fairness, China also leads the world in terms of installed wind and solar power, and investments in energy storage batteries, electric vehicles, and ultra-high transmission lines—all key elements for a clean energy transition. China has also pledged to peak related air emissions by 2030, and the Xi government has said it will drastically cut coal use in 2026 to meet that goal.
from your link
:rofl You trust china.
:rofl
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: -gg- on September 19, 2022, 10:05:13 PM
Whew....thank goodness! I was growing weak without my daily dose of we're all gonna die immediately unless we.........
Truly, nuclear power is the answer right now though. The French have been using it extensively, getting ~ 70% of their power from nuke plants. Macron said in February that they are planning on building at least six more plants and maybe eight after that.
They haven't had any Fukishimas either.
France had been shutting them down and now they plan on restarting all of them.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2022, 10:18:15 PM
France had been shutting them down and now they plan on restarting all of them.
France shut them down for maintenance and repair, they always had plans to restart them once it was completed. 27 will be restarted this year and 5 next year. that's half of what they have.
you make it seem like they had been abandoned for years
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: -gg- on September 19, 2022, 10:22:19 PM
Germany is shutting down all of their reactors because they are phasing out nuclear energy. Probably not the best idea considering what is happening now.
BERLIN -- Germany on Friday shut down half of the six nuclear plants it still has in operation, a year before the country draws the final curtain on its decades-long use of atomic power.
The decision to phase out nuclear power and shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy was first taken by the center-left government of Gerhard Schroeder in 2002. His successor, Angela Merkel, reversed her decision to extend the lifetime of Germany’s nuclear plants in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima disaster in Japan and set 2022 as the final deadline for shutting them down.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2022, 10:53:43 PM
Germany is shutting down all of their reactors because they are phasing out nuclear energy. Probably not the best idea considering what is happening now.
BERLIN -- Germany on Friday shut down half of the six nuclear plants it still has in operation, a year before the country draws the final curtain on its decades-long use of atomic power.
The decision to phase out nuclear power and shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy was first taken by the center-left government of Gerhard Schroeder in 2002. His successor, Angela Merkel, reversed her decision to extend the lifetime of Germany’s nuclear plants in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima disaster in Japan and set 2022 as the final deadline for shutting them down.
that's from January 2022. currently they only have 1 plant that is going by bye in December. the plan as you posted stared in 2011. their citizens don't want nuclear plants. their bodies their choice. it's not like they woke up last December and said we are bored, let's shut down all nuclear plants.
most of European countries are small, they had to deal with chernobil. after what happened in Japan, they had enough, that's basically it.
in North Carolina we used to live a few miles from a nuclear plant. one morning we heard the emergency sirens they were loud. I went outside saw the neighbors all coming out, some jumped in cars and left. wife started crying, kids started crying. turned the radio and they said they were unsure what going on. 5 minutes later they said it was a test. but somebody forget to release the info as was required. the people wanted to murder that person.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Brooke on September 19, 2022, 11:00:22 PM
Countries that have ample power/energy for their citizenry will dominate. Those that don't have enough power will comparatively wither.
In my opinion, the best power source is nuclear. The trick is just not to be completely stupid on how it's done.
Great documentary on nuclear:
https://youtu.be/P9M__yYbsZ4?t=369
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 19, 2022, 11:02:53 PM
that's from January 2022. currently they only have 1 plant that is going by bye in December. the plan as you posted stared in 2011. their citizens don't want nuclear plants. their bodies their choice. it's not like they woke up last December and said we are bored, let's shut down all nuclear plants.
most of European countries are small, they had to deal with chernobil. after what happened in Japan, they had enough, that's basically it.
in North Carolina we used to live a few miles from a nuclear plant. one morning we heard the emergency sirens they were loud. I went outside saw the neighbors all coming out, some jumped in cars and left. wife started crying, kids started crying. turned the radio and they said they were unsure what going on. 5 minutes later they said it was a test. but somebody forget to release the info as was required. the people wanted to murder that person.
semp
Yes I know all of that. It's in the article that I posted. That they started phasing it out in 2002. What is your point?
My point is that they got rid of all their nuclear power and now they are reliant on renewable energy that's not ready. And Russia cut off their gas. Kind of in a tough situation right?
And France was dealing with shutting their nuclear power stations down because they were decrepit and needed maintenance and were having problems. They don't last forever you know.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Arlo on September 20, 2022, 01:48:50 AM
Someone posts some info on the consequences of coal ash on humans and the subject immediately jumps to 'well China and India have more coal ash' why can't we?!'. :old:
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Eagler on September 20, 2022, 06:09:58 AM
Someone posts some info on the consequences of coal ash on humans and the subject immediately jumps to 'well China and India have more coal ash' why can't we?!'. :old:
Exactly!
It's a global issue or it's not
They are doing what we should be doing...relying on what works while the new technologies are advanced to the point they can safely and economically take over...
You don't kill your resources while relying on your enemies for the same exact resource and making your country much more vulnerable and weaker
It's called putting the cart before the horse...actually a donkey in this case...
China can also have city wide if not country wide lockdowns and curfews and would not suffer consequences from its people when they have daily power blackouts..homie don't play that game in more "advanced" societies .. just another exuse to go shopping er looting and burning for some.
Odd how some look to the largest evils in the world for examples how to run their circus..
Eagler
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 20, 2022, 06:24:14 AM
Someone posts some info on the consequences of coal ash on humans and the subject immediately jumps to 'well China and India have more coal ash' why can't we?!'. :old:
I would say only the headlines were read and the videos weren't watched.
Maybe Eagler can say how ground water in India and China effects American ground water.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Toad on September 20, 2022, 06:58:05 AM
Small, portable, truck mounted mini-nuclear reactors are coming. Relatively cheap, designed with safety in mind and great for a decentralized grid. These things would get the world over the hump during the next 100 years until solar might actually become a viable alternative. Or maybe until a wave action generator becomes capable of producing huge amounts of power..
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 20, 2022, 09:20:04 AM
Yes I know all of that. It's in the article that I posted. That they started phasing it out in 2002. What is your point?
My point is that they got rid of all their nuclear power and now they are reliant on renewable energy that's not ready. And Russia cut off their gas. Kind of in a tough situation right?
And France was dealing with shutting their nuclear power stations down because they were decrepit and needed maintenance and were having problems. They don't last forever you know.
the link also says that Germany electricity security won't be affected. it also says that France is planning to build more nuclear plants.
you make misleading posts or perhaps don't read your own links.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: -gg- on September 20, 2022, 09:56:55 AM
Germany imports about 70% of its energy source in oil and natural gas. They use coal as well. Nuclear energy used to be about 12% of their power source, so yeah shutting those down does affect something doesn't it? So now that Russia has cut Germany off, it follows that they are sort of in a bad situation right?
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: morfiend on September 20, 2022, 10:09:22 AM
Germany and Canada just signed an agreement. Canada will supply hydrogen to Germany, Canada has the resources to make and supply hydrogen and it won’t affect our grid,in fact it will use some of the surplus electricity that we now give away and ultra transmission lines are being installed to make it easier for Canada to give electricity at reduced or no cost to the recipient.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 20, 2022, 10:57:49 AM
Germany imports about 70% of its energy source in oil and natural gas. They use coal as well. Nuclear energy used to be about 12% of their power source, so yeah shutting those down does affect something doesn't it? So now that Russia has cut Germany off, it follows that they are sort of in a bad situation right?
well the could use their reserves and buy more from Norway or the Netherlands.
countries do make plans and if they thought they were in trouble they wouldn't have taken down the nuclear plants. they would have waited.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: -gg- on September 20, 2022, 11:02:31 AM
In 2002, when the decided to shut down the reactors, they assumed they could get all the coal and gas they needed from Russia. Guess they were wrong.
Germany does use coal but most of their energy is from inported oil and gas now.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 20, 2022, 11:20:38 AM
In 2002, when the decided to shut down the reactors, they assumed they could get all the coal and gas they needed from Russia. Guess they were wrong.
Germany does use coal but most of their energy is from inported oil and gas now.
once again the could buy more from Norway and Netherlands and at the same time use their reserves.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 20, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
The government had taken precautionary measures against such a crisis early on such as racing to full gas storage facilities and to build liquid natural gas terminals, Scholz said at town hall event in Essen
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: -gg- on September 20, 2022, 11:37:56 AM
LOL. They're going to be rationing power and heat
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: bj229r on September 20, 2022, 11:41:38 AM
The point of posting about coal ash is to bring attention the detriments of burning coal for energy (as if there weren't enough)
So if we STOP burning coal, what are the alternatives, and how do those alternatives affect the world and our standing in it?
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Brooke on September 20, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
and 2 weeks ago, you were complaining about the power grid around here. and we conserved electricity and we are good now. even the evs were out on the road.
see you sometimes laugh about how this or that is just bs. then post about how everybody in Germany is going to freeze. don't you think if Germany thought it would be a problem they would reactivate the nuclear power plants. they only shut down a few months ago.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 20, 2022, 01:47:06 PM
The 95 percent mark has repeatedly been cited to equal total national consumption in January and February of this year. That is, if on the stroke of New Year 2023 all gas import in addition to the Russian deliveries was cut - from Norway, the Netherlands, and LNG via the Netherlands, Belgium, France and the two German floating terminals planned to commence operations around that date - and there was no reduction in use over last winter, we'd run out two months later.
That's not going to happen of course, and indeed the projections of the Federal Grid Agency for storage buildup with reduced input from Nord Stream 1 are so far turning out to be slightly pessimistic. Per simulations, with delivery cut to 40 percent from June we should have barely made the 85 percent capacity mark at the planned 1 October date even with the otherwise most favorable assumptions; if cut to 20, we should have just missed even that.
In reality, supply was 40 percent for two thirds of July with a scheduled ten-day downtime for maintenance in between, dropped to 20 at the end of the month, and zero at the end of August. Yet here we are on track to reach the ultimate 95 percent target four weeks early. So the combination of alternate supply and savings has definitely exceeded expectations.
But again, while most likely no one's gonna freeze or stop producing for lack of gas, energy prices can be expected to remain problematic for at least the next six months. Though the latest word is that the government will buy a majority stake in troubled mega-provider Uniper to save it; that would put paid to the planned extra levy for customers as the constitution forbids to help out state-owned enterprises with such. This would remove some additional strain (about plus 18 percent for a typical private household with pre-existing gas contract) everyone was staring at for next month.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: RotBaron on September 20, 2022, 09:51:12 PM
and 2 weeks ago, you were complaining about the power grid around here. and we conserved electricity and we are good now. even the evs were out on the road.
see you sometimes laugh about how this or that is just bs. then post about how everybody in Germany is going to freeze. don't you think if Germany thought it would be a problem they would reactivate the nuclear power plants. they only shut down a few months ago.
semp
Germans have been known to be brilliant and also make incredibly moronic blunders, no?
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 20, 2022, 10:10:13 PM
Diesel Engine Rudolf Diesel 1896 The Bunsen Burner Robert Bunsen 1855 The Electron Microscope Ernst Ruska, Max Knoll 1931 The Contact Lens Thomas Young 1801 The Printing Press Johannes Gutenberg 1456 Radar System Christian Hülsmeyer 1904 Atomic Force Microscope Gerd Binnig 1980 Rocket-Powered Aircraft Alexander Lippisch 1928 Airbag Walter Linderer 1951 Speedometer Otto Schultze 1902 Adidas Adolf (Adi) Dassler 1920 Aspirin Bayer 1897 Automobile Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler 1886 Beer Wilhelm IV and Ludwig X 1516 Bicycle Karl von Drais 1817 Chip Card Jürgen Dethloff and Helmut Göttrup 1969 Programmable computer Konrad Zuse 1941 Glider Otto Lilienthal 1894 Helicopter Heinrich Focke 1936 MP3 Karlheinz Brandenburg 1993 Adhesive tape Oscar Troplowitz 1901
Just a few there…
Wondering if all of South America combined came up with much comparably significant.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 20, 2022, 10:52:39 PM
Diesel Engine Rudolf Diesel 1896 The Bunsen Burner Robert Bunsen 1855 The Electron Microscope Ernst Ruska, Max Knoll 1931 The Contact Lens Thomas Young 1801 The Printing Press Johannes Gutenberg 1456 Radar System Christian Hülsmeyer 1904 Atomic Force Microscope Gerd Binnig 1980 Rocket-Powered Aircraft Alexander Lippisch 1928 Airbag Walter Linderer 1951 Speedometer Otto Schultze 1902 Adidas Adolf (Adi) Dassler 1920 Aspirin Bayer 1897 Automobile Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler 1886 Beer Wilhelm IV and Ludwig X 1516 Bicycle Karl von Drais 1817 Chip Card Jürgen Dethloff and Helmut Göttrup 1969 Programmable computer Konrad Zuse 1941 Glider Otto Lilienthal 1894 Helicopter Heinrich Focke 1936 MP3 Karlheinz Brandenburg 1993 Adhesive tape Oscar Troplowitz 1901
Just a few there…
Wondering if all of South America combined came up with much comparably significant.
south America wasn't stupid enough to start 2 world wars.
but seriously I post you say they are brilliant but made major blunders in the next post, you post how brilliant Germans are.
so I'm confused according to you is German doing the right thing, oh wait you already said no.
beer was invented thousands of years ago by the Chinese, saw that on TV a couple of weeks ago. and Thomas Young was British.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 20, 2022, 11:23:03 PM
China invented the paper Johannes Gutenberg used on his press.
During the Islamic Golden Age, Arab Muslims were printing texts, including passages from the Qur’an, embracing the Chinese craft of paper making, developed it and adopted it widely in the Muslim world, which led to a major increase in the production of manuscript texts. In Egypt during the Fatimid era, the printing technique was adopted reproducing texts on paper strips and supplying them in various copies to meet the demand.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 21, 2022, 12:00:11 AM
don't tell him where the ballpoint pen, child incubator, artificial heart and other things were invented. he may want to drown his sorrows in German tequila.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: nrshida on September 21, 2022, 01:48:20 AM
Diesel Engine Rudolf Diesel 1896 The Bunsen Burner Robert Bunsen 1855 The Electron Microscope Ernst Ruska, Max Knoll 1931 The Contact Lens Thomas Young 1801 The Printing Press Johannes Gutenberg 1456 Radar System Christian Hülsmeyer 1904 Atomic Force Microscope Gerd Binnig 1980 Rocket-Powered Aircraft Alexander Lippisch 1928 Airbag Walter Linderer 1951 Speedometer Otto Schultze 1902 Adidas Adolf (Adi) Dassler 1920 Aspirin Bayer 1897 Automobile Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler 1886 Beer Wilhelm IV and Ludwig X 1516 Bicycle Karl von Drais 1817 Chip Card Jürgen Dethloff and Helmut Göttrup 1969 Programmable computer Konrad Zuse 1941 Glider Otto Lilienthal 1894 Helicopter Heinrich Focke 1936 MP3 Karlheinz Brandenburg 1993 Adhesive tape Oscar Troplowitz 1901
Just a few there…
Wondering if all of South America combined came up with much comparably significant.
The self-cooking vegetarian pocket sausage Karl von Schweinefleischsamplr 2024
Some regions are commodious to innovation and some not. It's not attributable to individuals from this nation or that. There's obviously a dispersal of creative, intelligent innovators distributed all over the world. Most never get a chance.
Global energy problem could be solved in five years by taking an approach not conceivable if you keep looking to the past. :old:
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: guncrasher on September 21, 2022, 02:53:51 AM
rocket powered aircraft, rocket fuel invented in South America. iron use probably mesopotamia,, steel perhaps India, airplanes usa. put them all together along with glass and tires and you have a big argument over who invented the first jet engine.
semp
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: RotBaron on September 21, 2022, 03:39:04 AM
don't tell him where the ballpoint pen, child incubator, artificial heart and other things were invented. he may want to drown his sorrows in German tequila.
semp
Ohhh me me me, Jamaica! :old: I’m certain! No, :(
I don’t drink alcohol, perhaps you should try it given your recent logic and odd conclusions.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: RotBaron on September 21, 2022, 05:12:55 AM
The self-cooking vegetarian pocket sausage Karl von Schweinefleischsamplr 2024
Some regions are commodious to innovation and some not. It's not attributable to individuals from this nation or that. There's obviously a dispersal of creative, intelligent innovators distributed all over the world. Most never get a chance.
Global energy problem could be solved in five years by taking an approach not conceivable if you keep looking to the past. :old:
Wishing I could find a way to reply, especially to “global energy problem”, however I’m certain I’d get reported and a big fat infraction.
I’ll just have to put it this way, I’m much more concerned with massive corruption all over the USA and its worsening condition. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, has become painfully obvious here and even more evident now that it’s been going on my entire life, actually much longer.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: MiloMorai on September 21, 2022, 05:22:34 AM
The new boss is no where near as corrupt as the last boss.
Title: Re: Coal ash
Post by: Eagler on September 21, 2022, 07:00:13 AM