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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on October 06, 2022, 07:08:53 AM
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Thoughts?
Please refrain from unsupported topics
Eagler
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There exists over 23,000 miles of pipelines on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
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In a nutshell?
There are at least a dozen likely suspects in the whodunit? . Russians have done a full on press that it was the US and the Alt Right has continued to chug putins coolaid and produced some dubious narratives such as a P8 ASW plane dropped torps on the 4 different pipelines at one pass but the pipelines blew over the course of days.
In reality you can create a pro/con list for those dozen suspects with the most probable in my opinion being the US or Putin. The Swedes announced today that they are certain the pipelines were sabotaged based on evidence collected but did not expand on what the evidence is. So, as a factual observation, the lines were almost certainly sabotaged but there is no clear proof of whodunit and it's possible that will never be publicly known.
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Who is the only country in the world who stated they could and would destroy the pipeline?
Attaching the YouTube video I think would break the rules here...
Who has the ability?
Who has the most to gain?
See the USS Gerald Ford battle group in the Atlantic for the next possibility forced conflict imo
Eagler
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There exists over 23,000 miles of pipelines on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
:headscratch:
Relationship and/or significance to Nord Stream is?
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Just a quick crash course on determining guilt when it comes to incidents involving Russia and/or Putin:
With any accusation they make, they're either already guilty of perpetrating the act themselves, or are about to be.
End of crash course.
Gazprom had the greatest motivation to do it, existing means by which to do it, and an open opportunity.
The Trumpist bootlicker opinion on this is as stupid as it is predictable.
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Who is the only country in the world who stated they could and would destroy the pipeline?
Who has the ability?
Who has the most to gain?
Eagler
This isn't how critical thought works. It's OK to say there are potential culprits and the pro vs con of each but it is another to loop together circumstantial evidence and conspiracy theory and declare as fact something that you don't have proof of being fact.
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Nothing I say is referring to domestic politics or a domestic political party.
I feel 90% convinced it was the Russians.
Currently Russia is in a choke hold in Ukraine. They are NOT winning. The longer this goes on, the higher their losses, the more destabilized things get at home, threatening Putin’s rule. As it is, he better be sleeping with one eye open and potato chips sprinkled around his bed at night.
In the current situation, the more young Russian’s he feeds into Ukraine is just throwing them into a meat grinder with no equipment and no training. The majority of them will shoot their officers in the face and surrender the first chance they get.
Putin is desperate to shake up the current trend. He is running out of oligarchs to toss out of windows.
1. The Ukrainians are not willing haggle away their sovereign territory. Would we? If Russia had “liberated” Alaska, because it was always really still part of Russia after all, would we just let them keep it to avoid any hostility?
2. As long as the Ukrainians are determined to fight, the West is determined to support them with every weapon we can spare. Those weapons are becoming more advanced and the Ukrainians are making good use of them. The weaponry is allowing the Ukrainian bravery a chance to tilt the balance. The sanctions are really just now starting to really bite. (They take about 6 months.) Putin is running out of runway.
3. The West has been very careful and not given Putin the excuse he needs to blatantly attack vital supply arteries in Poland, etc.
4. If he can not cut off those supply routes, he face an eventual humiliating withdrawal like Iraq’s forced evacuation of Kuwait. It’s starting to look a lot like that, with rivers of retreating Russians carrying all the stolen consumer goods they could lay hands on.
5. If the West won’t give him an obvious excuse, Putin will invent one. Like the Germans faking an attack on the a radio station on the Polish border.
6. With the West’s surveillance capabilities, I find it hard to believe a vessel delivered those explosives (even a sub). More than likely it was an explosive laden “Pig” sent down the pipeline internally. Since the supply was going to stop flowing anyway. It doesn’t make any sense other than as a manufactured Casus Beli. Either the West was going to finally boycott or the Russians were going to cut off flow in retaliation for sanctions. Putin wasn’t really losing anything by blowing them up, but could claim it as a direct attack by the West justifying limited proportional attacks on supply targets in certain NATO countries that are supplying Ukraine.
Putin is willing to take a great risk to stop the supply of weapons to Ukraine because he knows the current path leads to his destruction. He is willing to tip over the chess board and hope to find a better position in the chaos. The West and Ukraine are winning. They have no need to flip over the board. They want the current trend to continue to play out. It’s the loser that needs to take risk to try a reset.
Remember. Putin doesn't want Ukraine as much as he wants what's after Ukraine. Poland, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. Ukraine was just supposed to be the staging area to jump off from.
The real show – the real war – comes after. The two most important gateways to the Russian heartland remain: the Baltic Sea coast and the portion of the Polish gap that lies in, well, Poland. Unlike Ukraine, the countries in question here – Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia – are members of the NATO alliance. And of the European Union as well.
https://zeihan.com/ukraine-the-war-after-the-war/ (https://zeihan.com/ukraine-the-war-after-the-war/)
If they are not stopped in Ukraine, they will have to be stopped in NATO territory and that will cost American blood. I'd rather spend the treasure and let Ukrainians kill Russians for us.
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Nothing I say is referring to domestic politics or a domestic political party.
I feel 90% convinced it was the Russians.
You listed many of the "Pro" for Russia. What is the "Con" for Russia?
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Who is the only country in the world who stated they could and would destroy the pipeline?
Attaching the YouTube video I think would break the rules here...
Who has the ability?
Who has the most to gain?
See the USS Gerald Ford battle group in the Atlantic for the next possibility forced conflict imo
Eagler
why not just type when usa said it would blow up the pipeline.
what exactly was said. in a few sentences.
semp
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You listed many of the "Pro" for Russia. What is the "Con" for Russia?
Not sure I see many, which is why I lean toward the Russian's. It's not just a "Last Man Standing" argument because there are so many affirmative reasons it benefits Putin.
Cui Bono.
If I had to stretch...
Well, they are blowing up some of their expensive property. But at this point Putin realizes that sanctions are never going to be lifted as long as Russia has troops in Ukraine and he can't withdraw now without being toppled from power. So the pipelines were scrap metal to him anyway. Early on he thought he could use them to spilt the coalition, but I think now he realizes that isn't going to happen.
I guess technically it may have been in NATO territorial waters so might be considered an attack on NATO risking giving the US an excuse to get more directly involved. But I think it is going to be hard enough to prove that the West won't react without obvious proof. Besides, if the Russian's want to destroy their property in NATO territory...hmmmm ok. Now when he tries to use that as an excuse to drop a few missiles in Poland, that's not going to fly.
Why bother with the subterfuge? Putin needs the fig leaf excuse so his population doesn't think he is recklessly expanding the war further. He is just defending Russia! They blew up our pipeline! Remember the Maine! Also he needs it to keep the support of India, China, SA, etc. If he attacked NATO unprovoked, that might be a straw too much for them. But if he can throw up a plausible excuse...
Oh and it explains all the weird nuclear saber rattling. Like "I'm going to hit supply depots in Poland because you blew up our pipeline! But don't escalate after that because we have lots of NUKES!" He needs to hit the supply routes and intimidate Poland and others into ceasing assisting Ukraine. He wants to limit the response by threatening nuclear escalation.
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I think it was the Russians too.
They want to divide NATO/Europe and the US. This is propaganda and an attempt to muddy the waters and put doubts in the mind of leaders in NATO and Europe.
They also don't mind having Germany freeze this winter. What better way to to all of this than to blow it up and plant the seeds that it was the Americans? Even if it's only in public opinion. Russia wants the public to view them as the white hat guys.
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I'm inclined to think it was Russia also. They have plausible deniability since the US said it would "stop" the pipeline. Why would Russia do it? To show Europeans their need and folly in resisting.
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:headscratch:
Relationship and/or significance to Nord Stream is?
Nordstream wasn't mentioned. The Baltic isn't deep either with an average depth of 180ft.
Lots of miles of target pipeline in the Gulf of Mexico.
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why not just type when usa said it would blow up the pipeline.
what exactly was said. in a few sentences.
semp
Sure..not sure why I am surprised you can't search or just trying to get me banned...
"pipeline explosion baltic sea b1d3n threat"
Remove quotes change the 1 to an i and the 3 to an e..2nd video down
Eagler
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Sure..not sure why I am surprised you can't search or just trying to get me banned...
"pipeline explosion baltic sea b1d3n threat"
Remove quotes change the 1 to an i and the 3 to an e..2nd video down
Eagler
banned for what. all I find was that biden was gonna end the pipeline if Russia invaded. wondering if you knew something else.
semp
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Sure..not sure why I am surprised you can't search or just trying to get me banned...
"pipeline explosion baltic sea b1d3n threat"
Remove quotes change the 1 to an i and the 3 to an e..2nd video down
Eagler
not second video anymore, unless it's cnn.
but does it show a b2 bomber? or 2 because one of them is from last year and the other from a few days ago. which means no proof.
and a b2 flying incognito over Europe with heavy commercial planes, drop bombs and fly back to Germany doesn't make sense.
semp
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Glad you figured it out semp..
Yes he was the only one that threatened that and boom it happens
Now we will be escorting fuel shipments to the EU..got us a convoy!
Pipelines are considered infrastructure
That attack has expanded the conflict immensely imo while making targets now out of wasn't on the list before
Eagler
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Jeez, Eagler. Of course your thread is a political conspiracy one. :rolleyes:
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Jeez, Eagler. Of course your thread is a political conspiracy one. :rolleyes:
Only if you make it one...
Please state your theory on who and why it was exploded ...of course without delving into restricted subjects..
It will raise the price of fuel globally imo
Not sure why Russia would blow their own pipeline
Thanks for trying to lock it arlo
Eagler
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Only if you make it one...
Please state your theory on who and why it was exploded ...of course without delving into restricted subjects..
It will raise the price of fuel globally imo
Not sure why Russia would blow their own pipeline
Thanks for trying to lock it arlo
Eagler
Won't be me if the thread gets locked. I understand you don't (or refuse to) get this. But keep trying, ol' boy. :aok
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Then there is this mystery..
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/10/new-images-reveal-russias-missing-submarine-belgorod-in-arctic/
Seems like a very special sub at that..
Eagler
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Glad you figured it out semp..
Yes he was the only one that threatened that and boom it happens
Now we will be escorting fuel shipments to the EU..got us a convoy!
Pipelines are considered infrastructure
That attack has expanded the conflict immensely imo while making targets now out of wasn't on the list before
Eagler
figure out what, that tucker is in love with Putin?
semp
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Then there is this mystery..
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/10/new-images-reveal-russias-missing-submarine-belgorod-in-arctic/
Seems like a very special sub at that..
Eagler
that's not even a mystery. submarines specially boomers are supposed to dissappear. that's the point of having submarines.
not sure why it's even on the news since it's not news.
semp
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Thanks semp
Always look forward to your input lol
I just read too many Clancy novels I hope..
Eagler
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No gas has been pumped for awhile. The lines being blown up is kind of pointless. They were already stagnant.
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Thanks semp
Always look forward to your input lol
I just read too many Clancy novels I hope..
Eagler
there's an old book called the thresher. it's noon fiction good story line. based on the fact that several submarines from different countries either went missing out sank withe very little info.
semp
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Nordstream wasn't mentioned. The Baltic isn't deep either with an average depth of 180ft.
Lots of miles of target pipeline in the Gulf of Mexico.
Was another pipeline allegedly sabotaged recently?
I missed that news of one in the Gulf has been.
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Was another pipeline allegedly sabotaged recently?
I missed that news of one in the Gulf has been.
Eagle asked about thoughts on pipeline sabotage and wasn't specific. The Baltic, again, is not DEEP.
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1 pipeline has never been used and the other was shut down a few months ago.
most likely was sabotage by the Russians, no point in the usa or nato to do it.
semp
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1 pipeline has never been used and the other was shut down a few months ago.
most likely was sabotage by the Russians, no point in the usa or nato to do it.
semp
If you wanted to be objective you could come up with some reasons for the US or a dozen other countries to do it just like the Russians.
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1 pipeline has never been used and the other was shut down a few months ago.
most likely was sabotage by the Russians, no point in the usa or nato to do it.
semp
What evidence did you use to arrive at this ‘likely’ scenario?
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What evidence did you use to arrive at this ‘likely’ scenario?
Suddenly you're into evidence?
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If you wanted to be objective you could come up with some reasons for the US or a dozen other countries to do it just like the Russians.
No one has said that there were no other possible reasons anyone else might have wanted to blow those lines.
I just haven't been convinced by any others I've heard. A million reasons could exist out there, but they are not all of the exact same weight of probability. Some are very plausible, some are improbable.
So convince me. Give me your best argument on why, at this particular time under the current circumstances, the US would risk a direct attack on the pipeline within NATO waters. Cui bono?
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As the self-designated "official" spokesperson for the US I can tell you there was no need for us to destroy the pipelines in question. "Fueling" Russia's economy with Euros would have benefited their war making effort marginally at best. No, we would not deny Eurovision a few bright lights.
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As the self-designated "official" spokesperson for the US I can tell you there was no need for us to destroy the pipelines in question. "Fueling" Russia's economy with Euros would have benefited their war making effort marginally at best. No, we would not deny Eurovision a few bright lights.
I could imagine scenarios where we might consider something like that. Like if Germany refused to join the sanctions or something. They have all been dragging their feet, but they have been making some sacrifices already.
It easy for us to be hyper-critical, but its a hard call to agree to the amount of social and economic pain Germany might have to go through this winter. The US is energy independent now. We'll be warm this winter. A lot of -unemployed- Germans are going to be cold. Yeah, they made some bad choices that got them there, but here is where we are at.
Currently it appears all NATO (except for Hungry) is on board with sanction and willing to take some pain as the price. It's going to be a hard winter.
If anything we would want the pipelines in place. Those were a tantalizing bait for the Russian oligarchs. If they would just "remove" this crazy guy we can get back to normal. Gas comes on, you make money. Everybody happy!"
Destroying the pipelines would waste a great piece of leverage to tempt Putin's ruling elites. Most of them just want to go back making and enjoying their money.
Why would we blow up useful leverage?
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What evidence did you use to arrive at this ‘likely’ scenario?
why do we need to blow up 2 pipelines that aren't being used.
we have nothing to gain, Russia does.
semp
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why do we need to blow up 2 pipelines that aren't being used.
we have nothing to gain, Russia does.
semp
We being the US or everyone that isn’t Russia?
What does Russia have to gain? :noid
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Motivation?
What else?
Greed!
https://youtu.be/QJovApvFk2M
https://youtu.be/v46bNSXeKHY
See that video at 5:50..
Eagler
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I think it might be the Canadians,they want to sell Germany a bunch of hydrogen so it sounds like a plausible thing to do. Besides their super secret kayaks have been in dry dock for far too long.
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Potential culprit A, the USA. The potus threatened to do this very thing he also tends to talk out of his arse and had the mental facilities of a 5yo.
1. What does the USA have to gain from the incident?
2. What are the potential consequences of getting caught?
Potential culprit B, Russia. It’s “president” or what ever title he has, has conducted a disastrous war and who seems to be potentially losing control back in Russia.
1. What does the Russia have to gain from the incident?
2. What are the potential consequences of getting caught?
I lean towards Russia. Their position seems more dire and this reeks of desperation.
Honestly, I don’t rightly care, if some Euros are a bit cold this winter it’s on them for having asinine energy policies by catering to a bunch of green lunatics. As long as nukes don’t fly and this crap stays over their, by all bloody means then.
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Honestly, I don’t rightly care, if some Euros are a bit cold this winter it’s on them for having asinine energy policies by catering to a bunch of green lunatics. As long as nukes don’t fly and this crap stays over their, by all bloody means then.
A bunch of green lunitics some 12 miles from Fort Myers survived Ian with hardly any damage and NO loss of power.
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12 miles in which direction?
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A bunch of green lunitics some 12 miles from Fort Myers survived Ian with hardly any damage and NO loss of power.
What power did they not lose?
Solar?
It was out b4 the hurricane as it was extremely overcast at least a week before Ian hit
Nice hijack lol
Eagler
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What power did they not lose?
Solar?
It was out b4 the hurricane as it was extremely overcast at least a week before Ian hit
Nice hijack lol
Eagler
If I had to guess, they probably had solar+battery while being tied into the existing power infrastructure. From my work experience very few people have an alternate independent power source while not being looped into the existing grid. Also, if they were say, 12 miles southeast of fort Myers, these people would have not taken a hit from the eye wall, which means their max winds would have been no more then 80mph. This is the problem I have with this leaf and his ilk, they tend to cherry pick data that fits their respective narrative while casually disregarding and data/facts that may be “inconvenient”.
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Back to the OP..
The explosion should raise the price for natural gas here in the US too this winter as we will now ship even more to the EU for more $$$$
Like I said..greed
Eagler
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This community, which is just 12 miles northeast of the devastated Fort Myers area, didn't even experience power outages after Hurricane Ian.
https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-10-03-this-100--solar-community-withstood-hurricane-ian-with-no-power-loss-and-minimal-damage.r1mmzBgdzo.html
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350 solar panels per home...
Yeah that sounds feasible
Eagler
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There have been a lot of solar scams going on home owners lately.
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Back to OP...
It keeps the EU in more dire straights than the US..even worse in a couple of months
Which is what it's all about these days...not to be the largest turd in the toilet bowl..
Eagler
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What power did they not lose?
Solar?
It was out b4 the hurricane as it was extremely overcast at least a week before Ian hit
Nice hijack lol
Eagler
solar panels still produces electricity when it's overcast. not at max efficiency but they still do, unless it's dark.
semp
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solar panels still produces electricity when it's overcast. not at max efficiency but they still do, unless it's dark.
semp
Yes especially 350 per home...ain't got the land for that but that doesn't seem to fit into the equation either...
Most have about 10 on their roofs around here...
Eagler
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Yes especially 350 per home...ain't got the land for that but that doesn't seem to fit into the equation either...
Most have about 10 on their roofs around here...
Eagler
it's a town and it was designed to be solar. some house do have panels but majority is on city land.
but one thing is for sure it missed the hurricane otherwise it would have been gone.
semp
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I feel confident in stating it wasn't the soon-to-be-shivering Germans
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I feel confident in stating it wasn't the soon-to-be-shivering Germans
naw they'll just invade southern France or Italy and come back in the spring
semp
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Back to OP..
Confirm we were in the area around the time of the explosion...no worries as the article states it was just a routine patrol :rolleyes:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-us-navy-jet-flew-across-baltic-hours-after-nord-stream-burst-2022-10-07/
"There is flight data missing between 0339 GMT and 0620 GMT, but on its way back, around 0700 GMT, the plane flew some 4 kms north of the reported leak site."
Eagler
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Confirm we were in the area around the time of the explosion...no worries as the article states it was just a routine patrol :rolleyes:
"Hours after"
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"Hours after"
Depends how you read the article..
Even then we were Johnnie on the spot eh?
Eagler
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Depends how you read the article..
U.S. Navy jet flew across Baltic hours after Nord Stream burst
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I don't understand the thrust of this thread at all. Is this something that's being heavily conjectured over in the American press?
Germany evolved to the point of civilisation they're at by largely not having access to central heating. I'm sure they'll be alright. Unlike a lot of the Russian conscripts standing in the rain around braziers in cheap tracksuits trying to drink as much vodka as possible. Weather forecast bleak, with a high chance of shrapnel showers.
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I don't understand the thrust of this thread at all. Is this something that's being heavily conjectured over in the American press?
Germany evolved to the point of civilisation they're at by largely not having access to central heating. I'm sure they'll be alright. Unlike a lot of the Russian conscripts standing in the rain around braziers in cheap tracksuits trying to drink as much vodka as possible. Weather forecast bleak, with a high chance of shrapnel showers.
Westerners are weak. Any inconveniences could result in potential political ramifications which will be exploited.
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I don't understand the thrust of this thread at all. Is this something that's being heavily conjectured over in the American press?
Nope, just a guy who enjoys being muted I guess.
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I don't understand the thrust of this thread at all. Is this something that's being heavily conjectured over in the American press?
Germany evolved to the point of civilisation they're at by largely not having access to central heating. I'm sure they'll be alright. Unlike a lot of the Russian conscripts standing in the rain around braziers in cheap tracksuits trying to drink as much vodka as possible. Weather forecast bleak, with a high chance of shrapnel showers.
They've had a generation or 3 since, doubt they're still that tough
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I don't understand the thrust of this thread at all. Is this something that's being heavily conjectured over in the American press?
No its mainly ignored as they are busy trying to blame cat 4 hurricane destruction on a Florida governor right now...
I am just keeping my options open as the press track record is less than stellar if not outright corrupt recently
Others have doubts..
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/nord-stream-bombing-does-the-needle-of-suspicion-point-towards-the-us-61383
See what Sweden comes up with but not sure it will matter, Russia can always deny and use it as their false flag to escalate
Eagler
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Others have doubts..
I could find no evidence presented in that article. Was there some and I missed it?
Some rando eco prof isn't exactly a subject matter expert on undersea sabotage. Any goober on this bbs has as much expertise as that goof. Why would I give his opinion any more weight that yours or mine?
I'll be interested in what the Swedes find. But if it doesn't feed into your conspiracy you'll simply dismiss any evidence as a main stream media cover-up.
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https://youtu.be/ALb2FPXFro4
Here's someone else who has his doubts.. a US Colonel
Eagler
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https://youtu.be/ALb2FPXFro4
Here's someone else who has his doubts.. a US Colonel
Again, no evidence presented (I didn't watch the whole thing. Was there any I missed? Hard evidence?). Just opinion. No more weight than yours or mine.
There are people with "doubts" that the Earths surface is curved. I can find you people on the internet that have "doubts" about everything.
Again, I can conceive of situations where we might have, but under current conditions it just doesn't make sense to me. But I'll wait to see if the Swedes can find any real evidence one way or the other.
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Sorry - I haven't seen videos of the made in usa or russia signs discovered by the swedes yet :)
I'm sure the most extreme measures were taken to blur the culprits but time will tell
Eagler
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the colonel is just making a political statement. and what better than to blame it on 46. again he's just giving an opinion, everybody is entitled to one.
semp
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the colonel is just making a political statement. and what better than to blame it on 46. again he's just giving an opinion, everybody is entitled to one.
semp
You do realize there is a video out there of 46 saying we'd destroy Nordstream if the Russians invaded Ukraine? Right? Right????
Who is this colonel you're speaking of? And why are you making accusations towards him?
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You do realize there is a video out there of 46 saying we'd destroy Nordstream if the Russians invaded Ukraine? Right? Right????
If gas was still flowing to Europe at full volumes and Germany and others were refusing to go along with sanctions, I could see the possibility.
But with the flow already cut off, with all EU except authoritarian friendly Hungry on board with sanctions, with EU heading towards a full boycott of all Russian energy, with Russia itself turning off the flow in retaliation for sanctions, why at THIS point would the US take the risk of such an operation in NATO waters?
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You do realize there is a video out there of 46 saying we'd destroy Nordstream if the Russians invaded Ukraine? Right? Right????
Who is this colonel you're speaking of? And why are you making accusations towards him?
no he said he was gonna end it. big difference.
my kids were fighting with each other. my lovely ex wife called me saying I had to do something. I ended that feud, didn't kill any of them or blew up their houses.
46 ended the pipeline probably by pressuring Germany not to approve 2 and shut down 1. what is the point of blowing up something not being used.
semp
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https://youtu.be/ALb2FPXFro4
Here's someone else who has his doubts.. a US Colonel
Eagler
colonel meet elfie, elfie meet Mr sanders.
semp
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Same as Chernobyl. Poor choices in maintenance, checks, and testing have consequences. They had already shut the active pipeline down for problems and they had let the new one sit fully loaded so it could develop its own problems with hydration plugs.
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no he said he was gonna end it. big difference.
46 ended the pipeline probably by pressuring Germany not to approve 2 and shut down 1. what is the point of blowing up something not being used
semp
How else do you "end" a pipeline?
Pressure Germany to give up it's winter fuel supply? Russia shut down 1 in late August due to claimed maintenance issues and 2 hadn't been used yet other than pressurizing the pipeline. At that point, Germany was already staring winter fuel shortages right in the face. Before the lines were sabotaged.
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Same as Chernobyl. Poor choices in maintenance, checks, and testing have consequences. They had already shut the active pipeline down for problems and they had let the new one sit fully loaded so it could develop its own problems with hydration plugs.
Three lines were sabotaged within minutes of each other. All three of them developing catastrophic failures due to maintenance issues at approximately the same time is to big of a coincidence for me.
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Three lines were sabotaged within minutes of each other. All three of them developing catastrophic failures due to maintenance issues at approximately the same time is to big of a coincidence for me.
Two lines with 2 failures in one line.
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How else do you "end" a pipeline?
Pressure Germany to give up it's winter fuel supply? Russia shut down 1 in late August due to claimed maintenance issues and 2 hadn't been used yet other than pressurizing the pipeline. At that point, Germany was already staring winter fuel shortages right in the face. Before the lines were sabotaged.
45 said football season ended. months later all stadiums were destroyed.
semp
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45 said football season ended. months later all stadiums were destroyed.
semp
How did you get there?
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How did you get there?
by bus.
semp
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How did you get there?
In one guess you should get it.
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In one guess you should get it.
when 46 said he was gonna end it according to some it means destroy it. but in reality it could mean a dozen different things.
and knowing your leaning in life, you only believe that he meant destroy it.
semp
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when 46 said he was gonna end it according to some it means destroy it. but in reality it could mean a dozen different things.
and knowing your leaning in life, you only believe that he meant destroy it.
semp
Well if anyone can tell us how or what potato head meant when he mumbles it would be you semp lol
Eagler
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Well if anyone can tell us how or what potato head meant when he mumbles it would be you semp lol
Eagler
actually I don't understand much of what potato head means.
can you explain?
https://youtu.be/UE9BXkQ-SRc
semp
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He wasn't a genius either regardless what some here think..
He was just the less stinky turd last 2 times around imo ...
2024 would be comical if the world was not on the verge of collapse
Eagler
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Three lines were sabotaged within minutes of each other. All three of them developing catastrophic failures due to maintenance issues at approximately the same time is to big of a coincidence for me.
Did you see the locations at the pipe bends and connected junctures? It looks like classic hydrate plug mismanagement. There is no good reason for anyone to sabotage it but it's possible for stupid reasons. This type of explosive event is a normal consequence of poor maintenance. Russia is known for poor maintenance. So which is more likely?
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Did you see the locations at the pipe bends and connected junctures? It looks like classic hydrate plug mismanagement. There is no good reason for anyone to sabotage it but it's possible for stupid reasons. This type of explosive event is a normal consequence of poor maintenance. Russia is known for poor maintenance. So which is more likely?
Taking Sweden's word for it that they recovered physical evidence of explosives would lead to not believing poor maintenance.
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I am hoping it doesn't point to the USA as I think that would be the nail in the dollars coffin...
Eagler
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I could believe something caused by Russian poor maintenance. It's just the timing of two separate pipelines having the exact same failure hours apart right in the middle of a regional war would be some extraordinary timing. I'm skeptical, but it is not out of the realm of possibility unlike some other retard theories.
Maybe it was the Jewish Space Laser?
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I am hoping it doesn't point to the USA as I think that would be the nail in the dollars coffin...
Eagler
So lets say evidence is recovered and it's US type explosives.. Then what? If I was the US I would use Russian based explosives and if I was Russia, I would use NATO/US types of explosives. Whatever explosives debris recovered has little to do with who actually planted it.
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Taking Sweden's word for it that they recovered physical evidence of explosives would lead to not believing poor maintenance.
They are investigating suspicions of sabotage. There were explosions, no evidence yet of explosives.
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They are investigating suspicions of sabotage. There were explosions, no evidence yet of explosives.
Sweden announced a couple days ago that they recovered physical evidence of explosives. I may have read it wrong but the story seemed clear.