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Title: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 11, 2023, 03:07:52 PM
Enjoy
I was recently flying in the MA having fun killing mostly bombers. Killed some low flying bombers flown by Fin3Time and Cheater, who are excellent buff pilots and outstanding shots, and they gave back as good as they got. I think I only shot down 2 or 3 fighters, each flown by a different pilot. However, I did get a single kill on flippz who then claimed he was being targeted. Skyyr soon joined in and claimed I was receiving information from another player. During this time Skyyr was initially a rook but changed to Bish. After a short fuss, I decided to leave them to themselves and moved to the other side of the “3 point” map to fight rooks as neither flippz or Skyyr were a rook and it would have been a very long flight for them to get there. I was Knights flying from A91 to the rook A61 just about two thirds of a sector apart. A couple more sorties and done for the evening. What could go wrong?
Then flippz changed countries and sent me a checksix to get my attention. That sortie was uneventful, so I never saved the film but the next sortie I upped just after flippz and headed back towards the rooks when flippz invited me to fly with him, here is the combat report and the film.
The film begins as I take off from A91 in the wrong direction and turn south towards A61 behind flippz. The film was recorded from the AH film viewer using my recorded views, and as I only use the fixed views, you see pretty much exactly what I did. My in-game name is Specter. Here are the events as they occurred based on the video clock in minutes and seconds. I cut the last 5 minutes of the film as it was only text buffer.
0:42 flippz sent me a check six that sounded like “Just checking if it works so I can save you”
2:46 flippz says on vox “You get me wing-manned? Just lock onto me I’ll take you right into the fight baby”. Now, the thought did cross my mind that this might be a set up, but Skyyr was still a Bish and they were a long way from this fight, and that trip would take around 5 sectors so I was relaxed about it. It did occur to me of course that other shades flying as rook might be involved, but hey, it’s only game, we don’t really die. There might be a hunter looking for me but so what? We all get to laugh about it after right?
3:36 A voice call from flippz, “P51 off our right wing Spec” I wonder if the P51 is the anticipated “Hunter” so turn in just in time to see he’s going for the HO, so I do an outside turn reversal to avoid the HO and follow the P51. As I turned away from the P51 I noticed a 190 following him. I assumed they were both rooks. What I didn’t notice was that the 190 was a Bish, only when I watched the film later did I notice it was indeed Skyyr. When I watch the film I wondered if flippz was hoping I would engage the P51 in a turn fight to set me up for his squad mate Skyyr to pick. Of course at the time, I assumed if I was being hunted it was probably whoever was flying this P51. His HO attempt convinced me I wanted this kill so I gave chase.
5:11 The P51 then HO’d a Mossie (he’s braver than I am) and the mossie came apart, perhaps a collision. The P51 took critical damage and began to go down. I followed him for the proxy.
5:37 P51 dies, not who I thought it was.
6:00 Got back to flippz and he calls out another P51, ok, maybe this is the one?
6:26 He informs me the P51 is out of E and encourages me to dive on him.
6:34 P51 dies in the ack, flippz gets the kill and sounded real excited about it. I send a text “We got a P51 each” and form back up.
7:26 flippz informs me of the size of his guns and his manhood.
8:00 At this point we were south of our field over water and I noticed there was a red dot on radar close to our base so I reversed and started to climb back towards it, while flippz continued south. A bandit near the base is bad news for uppers or returners with battle damage, so they are always high on my list of priorities. Of course I had no idea this was Skyyr.
9:43 Notice at this time Skyyr again shows up in the film viewer side bar. At this time of course I am entirely unaware of that.
10:20 I spot a dot at 1 O’clock low and adjust for a merge.
10:27 I have a red 190 Icon at 5.5k out and I still don’t notice this is a Bish and not a rook and wait for the merge before pushing to War Emergency Power and turning in.
10:43 He’s a runner, I have a few seconds to adjust my zoom magnification for some anticipated longer range shots.
11:08 He dives hard and then tries to scrub his speed to force an overshoot. As soon as I sense the increase in closure I throttle back and stay behind him missing some shots.
11:26 He is entirely defensive and trying hard to force an overshoot, but a get a couple of hits among the many misses, just enough to keep his pucker factor high.
11:47 At this point he tries to do a zoom climb and as his speed drops off as he cuts the engine. Then the penny drops! This is Skyyr! As he reaches the top of his zoom his speed drops to 46mph as he does his trademark hammerhead reversal.
11:57 As he comes out of the hammerhead and turns his engine back on, he normally expects to have his adversary below him with their noses dropping away so he can get an easy shot as they wallow while trying to recover airspeed. Unfortunately for him I was popping flaps and riding him like a bronco… Yeehaaaw, Ride ‘Em Cowboy!!
12:04 The first zoom climb didn’t work, so of course he tries it again, he had no choice he’s a one trick Pony.
12:11 He’s slowing down fast near the apex of his second hammerhead, but I’m 200 yards off his six, my nose is steady and stable as I aim and shoot. The D9 has magnificent guns! Hits that from lesser aircraft would just tickle, now cause massive damage! His aircraft disintegrates, disappearing into the clouds as aircraft parts fall around me. He was gone so quickly and quietly I had to spend a few seconds searching to make sure he was really dead. Kill message confirmation! Posted a laugh on 200. Seriously, that was some very funny cartoon flying.
12:34 RTB and time to talk smack on 200.
Here is the film
After watching the film I asked myself the following questions:
Why did Skyyr fly so far avoiding other much closer fights?
Was he up to his old tricks, and hunting someone specific, or did he just fly 5 sectors because he enjoys sightseeing?
Why at 3:36 in the film did Skyyr appear within icon range, heading right for me, just as his squad mate was encouraging me to engage a rook P51, was I being set up for a pick or was this just an amazing coincidence?
Was Skyyr receiving guidance/directions from his squad mate using external voice comm’s? Or did he just bump into me twice by coincidence, among eleven other knights in the area after flying five sectors?
Did Skyyr just try to target and hunt the wrong guy? Or did he just experience an epic failure while innocently enjoying a Luftwaffe Freie Jagd?
I'm still thinking about my answers... But first I just need to stop laughing :rofl
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Dadtallica on December 11, 2023, 03:09:08 PM
Fin3time = Cheater.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 11, 2023, 03:26:24 PM
6:26 He informs me the P51 is out of E and encourages me to dive on him.
The P51 was already dead and falling to the ground. Flippz encouraged you to blow your altitude and dive in on this dead plane.
Then says "just kidding" once the kill log appears. Wow.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Lazerr on December 11, 2023, 03:27:09 PM
Lol. Welcome to the club.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: GasTeddy on December 11, 2023, 04:16:27 PM
Why do I have a feeling some guys are working hard to get as many pilots as possible to cancel their subscription and leave the game..? Too many similar things I've read lately and my basic instinct says there are too many coincidences. :noid
P.S And no "Wtg" or anything from the other member of Rotte... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Luftwaffe_(1933%E2%80%931945)#Schwarm,_Rotte_and_Kette) :huh
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Eagler on December 11, 2023, 04:20:54 PM
Man that's alot of typing lol
Eagler
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Lazerr on December 11, 2023, 05:31:13 PM
Specter.. gunzo.. whatever your name is.. you just took some ankle relief off Simon. He owes you a beer.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: TryHard on December 11, 2023, 06:23:42 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I want to see Skyyr's youtube video about this, how ever i doubt we will see that uploaded :headscratch:
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 12, 2023, 02:36:49 AM
Was he up to his old tricks, and hunting someone specific,...
Why at 3:36 in the film did Skyyr appear within icon range, heading right for me, just as his squad mate was encouraging me to engage a rook P51, was I being set up for a pick or was this just an amazing coincidence?
Your position on singling out players by knowing their exact position is now of course rather ambiguous especially since you used the second account and dot-wingman trick yourself for years and years until HiTech was given evidence and finally stopped you. Do you think it's unacceptable, only acceptable when it's being attempted on you, that we should all get a second account to level the playing field, or another option perhaps?
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: hazmatt on December 12, 2023, 03:19:48 AM
Where are the mods?! Something must be done!
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 12, 2023, 05:27:24 AM
I want to see Skyyr's youtube video about this, how ever i doubt we will see that uploaded :headscratch:
Me too!!
When you see Skyyr in the film it's really him.
Of course you won't see anything like that involving me because the only films of Gunzo & Specter that he has are just like the ones I posted here and he won't post those because they all end exactly like this one :rofl
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 12, 2023, 05:46:11 AM
Your position on singling out players by knowing their exact position is now of course rather ambiguous especially since you used the second account and dot-wingman trick yourself for years and years until HiTech was given evidence and finally stopped you. Do you think it's unacceptable, only acceptable when it's being attempted on you, that we should all get a second account to level the playing field, or another option perhaps?
Isn't that what Skyyr was banned for?
I thought Skyyr was only one who got stopped?
But wait... it doesn't look as though he ever stopped at all :rofl
Stop talking in circles nrshida, let's see your films along with Skyyr's
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 12, 2023, 07:34:43 AM
HiTech has not disclosed to us precisely what Skyyr was banned for. That’s between those two. You however, were stopped from doing precisely the same thing you are suggesting / evidencing here: tracking an opponent with unfair advantage to victimise them. If Skyyr gets banned for this then you should too, or do you expect a double standard in accord with your dual personality. Badboy.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 12, 2023, 08:27:00 AM
Why do I have a feeling some guys are working hard to get as many pilots as possible to cancel their subscription and leave the game..?
A couple of reasons: Skyyr's chooses to be an antagonist to support his need for attention. He has stated in past that his goal is to drive people out of the game. If he can get someone to rage quit, he considers it a feather his cap. If he can get them to leave the game permanently, that's a full ceremonial headdress in his mind.
The other reason is that if he can't play, then neither can anyone else. He knows it's inevitable that he'll be banned again soon, so he's trying to create as much havoc as possible to make his mark before that happens.
Imagine what he'll be like if and when his "probation" is over...
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 12, 2023, 09:24:54 AM
I think we should all be very careful jumping to confirmation-biased conclusions based on surface 'evidence'. I don't know if anyone has worked-the-timeline of positions and energetic states of this film. I just have. This narrative is not cohesive:-
Skyyr shoots down Stoesy 8:04 on the ahf timer. Specter / Badboy and Flippz fly apart at 8:16 on the ahf index presumably when Badboy looks at the map after that kill (the ahf file does not show clipboard activity, unfortunately). At 8:30 Flippz is out of icon range and doesn't come back. The last thing he could’ve seen was Badboy in a sustained climb heading back to base. The first contact of Skyyr on the ahf film is at 9.53 at a range of 13.1k and he’s sustained climbing at an alt of 8.3k. <- mark that.
Badboy could only have seen him at 10.37 in-game (as confirmed by him flying a search-turn) and at this point Badboy is at 16.2k and Skyyr at 9.8k, not even the energy state that Flippz could have last reported (<-assuming (without evidence) he did). Skyyr immediately ceases climbing (correctly) and Badboy attacks with a considerable energetic advantage. And still very nearly gets himself killed I might add.
This is very convincing to those already convinced and not to anyone actually looking at the timeline, positions and energetic states objectively. Why is Skyyr not at 20k if he's flown so many sectors purely to hunt Badboy. He's in a Ta-152! Flippz has completely left the scene. Why? Think it through.
For those who don't know: be very very careful of Badboy. He's a great Spitfire pilot, and presents as a helpful (former) trainer but is AH's equivalent of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Ask me how I know.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Vraciu on December 12, 2023, 09:34:23 AM
Redacted.
This was meant for PM to Shida. Not sure how it got posted here. I must have fat-fingered a link with my phone. :salute
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 12, 2023, 09:34:32 AM
HiTech has not disclosed to us precisely what Skyyr was banned for. That’s between those two. You however, were stopped from doing precisely the same thing you are suggesting / evidencing here: tracking an opponent with unfair advantage to victimise them. If Skyyr gets banned for this then you should too, or do you expect a double standard in accord with your dual personality. Badboy.
Nrshida, let me state the facts:
• I moved to knits well away from flippz and Skyyr who were Bish. • I was fighting against rooks and just enjoying my evening online. • Flippz changed country to follow me and invited me to wing with him. • Skyyr flew 5 sectors to follow me, then arrived at my exact location, twice. • His Squadmate can be seen guiding me to lower altitude and dead targets as Skyyr came right at me. • I am Gunzo on the boards and currently flying as Specter. • I was flying alone and was not communicating with anyone else. • I don't need third part assistance to find enemy aircraft in the MA. • I am not, nor have I ever been Badboy. • I have never been stopped from doing anything in the game, ever.
So while I went out of my way to avoid them, they both came to me.
Flippz changed country and Skyyr flew 5 sectors across the map.
Skyyr got owned by me, Gunzo/Specter.
I was entirely unassisted in this activity.
Enjoy the film.
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Eagler on December 12, 2023, 09:38:10 AM
So what I get from this thread if he's so hung up on a few of you guys...the rest of us shouldn't have anything to worry about lol
:cheers:
Eagler
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 12, 2023, 09:54:57 AM
• I moved to knits well away from flippz and Skyyr who were Bish. • I was fighting against rooks and just enjoying my evening online. • Flippz changed country to follow me and invited me to wing with him.
Yes you are. The last time you used this account to troll you got your IP address trapped. You didn't know that did you. Coincident with you 'retiring' as a trainer.
No owning, as my Muppets friends once taught me is killing on a reversal of fortune. All you did here was use a massive enrgetic advantage and nearly got yourself reserved in the process by an impressive piece of ACM.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 12, 2023, 10:17:14 AM
It doesn't help the credibility factor when the post comes from an unfamiliar handle. No offense intended to the O.P., but I'm not sure why Skyyr would go out of his way to hunt someone who has no history with him. Unless of course you shot him down, which never sits well, but that's happened a couple of hundred times already this tour.
Sure, something is amiss when a Bish is patrolling the rook/knit front, and his squadmate switched to Knights, trying to manipulate the target to lose altitude, but on the Skyyr scale of things, this barely registers a 3. What I've seen and experienced is far more blatant and obvious. Just the very fact that you caught him at a disadvantage sheds doubt that this was his intention.
Nevertheless far be it from me to discourage someone posting their experience with this player. It needs to be seen and people can draw their own conclusions.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: hazmatt on December 12, 2023, 10:24:08 AM
So getting a kill on him is how you get on the list for harassment?
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: HL117 on December 12, 2023, 10:50:04 AM
This is awesome, had no idea the level of drama going on, logged in last night and the targets were few think I did like one sortie, saw crass bite in his trainer and Yucca taking on like 4 rooks and probably smiling the whole time, said buck it, logged off.
We need more bodies in the air not less.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 12, 2023, 11:32:53 AM
For those who don't know: be very very careful of Badboy. He's a great Spitfire pilot, and presents as a helpful (former) trainer but is AH's equivalent of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Ask me how I know.
This is a different bad boy then the one from JG27? I know there's two Jokers so maybe there's 2 bad boys?
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Drane on December 12, 2023, 04:32:22 PM
It doesn't help the credibility factor when the post comes from an unfamiliar handle. No offense intended to the O.P., but I'm not sure why Skyyr would go out of his way to hunt someone who has no history with him. Unless of course you shot him down, which never sits well, but that's happened a couple of hundred times already this tour.
Sure, something is amiss when a Bish is patrolling the rook/knit front, and his squadmate switched to Knights, trying to manipulate the target to lose altitude, but on the Skyyr scale of things, this barely registers a 3. What I've seen and experienced is far more blatant and obvious. Just the very fact that you caught him at a disadvantage sheds doubt that this was his intention.
Nevertheless far be it from me to discourage someone posting their experience with this player. It needs to be seen and people can draw their own conclusions.
flippz and Skyyr thought Specter was Dolby, I was logged on while they were accusing him of being Dolby and during the film posted.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 12, 2023, 05:47:51 PM
Stating something is a fact, does not make it a fact.
Very true. You have read an eye witness account, and watched a video record of the event. The two are consistent. Of course they may just stem from coincidence. I completely understand that you don't like the implications, I'm sure nobody does, but the questions would seem to flow naturally from the account and the implications flow naturally from any reasonable persons understanding of the laws of probability.
We all have a different sense of how likely or unlikely it is to have happened randomly or under the influence of collaboration. I'm not going to try and persuade you one way or the other. The important thing is asking the questions, challenging assumptions, using your own intellect to draw honest unbiased conclusions. Have at it!!
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That's an unasserted assumption. and your exact location is utter nonsense.
We both know that if you fly 5 sectors and arrive within Icon range of your target at the precise moment he is engaging another bandit so that you are perfectly positioned for a pick that's as good as it gets. I imagine even the best ground controlled intercept would be proud of that result, it doesn't get any better.
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Perhaps he was generally p!55ed with you for other activities. Like the ones you're famous for.
The only prior activity was a single kill on flippz while defending a base. I'm also fairly confident that the only place I'm famous is in your head.
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I know, but you have done what you're accusing here when it suited you. For years and years.
Nope, absolutely not.
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Yes you are. The last time you used this account to troll you got your IP address trapped. You didn't know that did you. Coincident with you 'retiring' as a trainer.
Of course, I read the boards and I have seen you discuss the IP address at some length in another thread, along with multiple posts where you claim I am a large number of other players, with names I've mostly never heard of. You seem to have been making these claims ever since you had a bad experience with someone in the old duelling arena. It sounds like you have the longest case of butt hurt in AH history. Badboy and I are absolutely not the same person, HTC know that, but I'm flattered that you disagree.
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At no point in your film did Skyyr come to you. Was it the only fight on the map?
No I don't think it was the only fight. But even if it was, he still had rooks upping several sectors closer and needed to go 5 sectors around the Rooks to reach the Nights base.
If you check the film at 3:36, within minutes of taking off, flippz points me to a P51 that has Skyyr co-alt, and within Icon range headed directly towards me at high speed. With eleven other Knights in that sector, along with several rooks, it just happens that the only Bish for 5 sectors is barrelling in on me while I am being asked by his squad mate to follow a dead P51 to the deck.
Surely, even with your obvious bias you can't be oblivious to the odds against that being purely coincidental? He could have been lucky though, you make up your own mind.
Then it happened yet again while I was RTB. The film shows he was also heading directly towards me. Sure, he was lower, but he was close to the perfect field vulching altitude. If he was aware that I was last seen following a P51 to the deck and was now RTB from the south, it may have been a smart altitude. If I had that information I would have positioned myself where Skyyr was and been looking for a lower con on approach to the field.
Also there were a lot of other Knights and almost as many Rooks in that sector so he would only legitimately have had a massive dar bar and should have known he was flying into a large Rook v Knight furball, at medium altitude as the only Bish. Not something I would do, but Skyyr may have been looking forward to the prospect of a couple of kills on the way through and hoping for a glorious Klingon death. We don't know what he was thinking, but if you consider the balance of probabilities you might have some sense of the kind of odds against Skyyr being in the right place at the right time heading in the right direction to intercept me albeit a bit low, twice in a row? But on the other hand I know you are familiar with the power of paranoia so you make up your own mind.
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With your inferrence only as to the motivation, not supported by your film.
In isolation of course not, but he wasn't just some random player changing countries. He changed after I had killed him while I was defending a base and after some heckling from himself and Skyyr. All good fun. But then he checked my six to get my attention. Then he lead me around directing me to various enemy aircraft, the first one just happened to have his Squad mate Skyyr, co-alt, high speed and within icon range perfectly placed to pick. That's what the film shows, you can judge the implications of that for yourself, but I think most reasonable unbiased observers would be tempted to ask questions by that kind of coincidence, particularly in view of similar, more damning reports from other players such as Simon. The more a thing happens, the more difficult it is to write it off as coincidence. But once again, you make up your own mind.
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No owning, as my Muppets friends once taught me is killing on a reversal of fortune. All you did here was use a massive enrgetic advantage and nearly got yourself reserved in the process by an impressive piece of ACM.
I hadn't heard that before. But I have a more relaxed approach as I'm happy to use the term any time the fight has been entirely and heavily one sided. In the MA the reasons for the advantage don't really matter because the whole point of air combat is to gain every possible advantage. If the only reason for a kill was an altitude advantage, that still goes to the credit of the player who has it, They had to get it and use it correctly. I notice Skyyr seems to like engaging from lower altitude, it gives him the opportunity to demonstrate his skill and he's posted videos where he does just that, getting kills by forcing unwary pilots to overshoot and finishing with his excellent gunnery. In this case he appeared to be trying to do exactly that but failed miserably. On the other hand, perhaps he just pooped his pants when he saw me, panicked and ran... you decide. I was on his six from beginning to end. I had several shots and missed some but he didn't even get close to having an opportunity of his own. There was never the slightest risk or threat. I couldn't even describe the engagement as remotely challenging, because it wasn't, the film shows that. So I think "owned" was justified. If you think I nearly got reversed I must have posted the wrong film.
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: hazmatt on December 12, 2023, 07:13:00 PM
You have read an eye witness account, and watched a video record of the event. The two are consistent.
No we didn't and no they aren't. We read and saw a spun narrative meant to prey on a community's paranoia to serve your agenda. A carefully crafted and opportunistic: read this first, then watch the film with carefully pre-programmed confirmation bias riding on the back of a broader confirmation bias. I'd advise everyone here to watch the timeline of events and especially the system log themselves. You'll get a totally different chain of events.
I'm not going to try and persuade you one way or the other.
This whole thread and identity which hasn't been used for years was reactivated for nothing more than a persuasion so you can try to get someone banned.
We both know that if you fly 5 sectors and arrive within Icon range of your target at the precise moment he is engaging another bandit so that you are perfectly positioned for a pick that's as good as it gets.
Your film doesn't show that at all. Further I've flown that far just to get a fight when trapped by the side-switch timer. So has Trogdor. and Stig. You just engage autopilot and get a coffee. Crappy situation with low numbers but there it is.
Badboy and I are absolutely not the same person, HTC know that, but I'm flattered that you disagree.
Yeah you are. You are Badboy, Gunzo, DozyDuck and a couple of dozen other known IDs you've used down through the years to systematically grief people. I don't have the computer expertise to do it myself but I have friends in low places that do. You were fully bagged, Badboy, old chap. Keep squirming it's pathetic and yet fitting for you. If it's any consolation I know to a certainty of several players who've left the game precisely because of your monkey business. Well done. If HiTech really knew what a piece of work you are and what you've done within his game - using it like your own personal toilet - he'd perm-ban you once and for all on the spot.
DozyDuck used to use exactly the same Klingon references at the furball lake, HOing in a Tempest with a second account "Owned!" He'd say, after a HO, "He died like a Targ" <- had to look that up. Coincidence no doubt, far be it for me to dispute a retired mathematics teacher on a point of probability. Although evidence does tend to have a cumulative effect. When in hole keep digging, eh.
There was never the slightest risk or threat. I couldn't even describe the engagement as remotely challenging
Get real. I may not be an EM-diagram guru but I've been here longer than today. You were clinging on for dear life. I think you got a flukey PW at 11.22 with your over-excited spray-and-pray - looks like a blackout to me at 11:57. You know, the part just after an inferior aircraft at a lower energetic state and positional disadvantage almost drew his nose right onto you. But as you're fond of repeating, everyone can watch the film and decide for themselves. Embarassing I found it.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: flippz on December 13, 2023, 07:28:39 AM
This post is a damage report to try and save his self from earlier that day. There are a ton of discrepancies in this film, that nrshida has pointed out a few, and there are others. This post is a direct result of an incident which took place earlier that day that put a bad light on him. i will not dive into that right now as the films and info was turned over for review. If i get answers to those incidents i will make the films and info public.
The only other thing i have to add to this post is me/we change countries often looking for the airplane fight. My squad gets hung on other countries due to side switch timer. If you dont like us being spread out on other countries you should go and support my post about reducing the time switch for countries. it will help align us all to the same country a lot quicker.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 13, 2023, 09:38:25 AM
You are Badboy, Gunzo, DozyDuck and a couple of dozen other known IDs
nrshida, you have been hijacking every thread I post in for over ten years with long lists of player names. Didn't this all begin after a bad experience with someone in the old duelling arena? Seriously, you have been carrying that baggage way too long, get some help! Let me spell it out... Badboy is 30+ years older than me. The Last time I flew against him I totally owned him! Same way I own Skyyr :rofl
Didn't this all begin after a bad experience with someone in the old duelling arena? Seriously, you have been carrying that baggage way too long, get some help!
Oh yes indeed, so distressed, traumatised and carrying so much baggage from some idiot tooling around the furball lake in a Tempest every weekend that I was never seen again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You're a tragedy mate, an absolute freak.
Ok, so the film shows me getting owned by Skyyr... Got it :rolleyes:
No what I said was that you were obviously out-flown and barely got the kil due to a lucky PW despite your huge advantage. I'll add you probably knew it too on some level and had to rtb afterwards for clean underwear.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 13, 2023, 11:28:16 AM
This type of thing is to be expected. Allowing a known troublemaker back into the game, and unleashing him to behave in the identical manner that caused problems before, will cause people to react in their own way.
Some folks will just quit the game, or decide against resubscribing.
Others will make their concerns know through this forum, like I have done.
I am not surprised to see an uptick of shade accounts, nor if people decide to take this issue into their own hands by doing exactly what is being done to them.
Anyone could have seen this coming, and it's only going to get worse.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nopoop on December 13, 2023, 12:14:52 PM
Being an oldtimer and confident in the size of my tar paper roll, having followed these two threads, one question comes to mind.
It is......
Really ?????
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: waystin2 on December 13, 2023, 12:17:21 PM
I told you when I first saw the Skyyr thread. You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd. This guy and those that congregate around him bring nothing of value to AH. :aok
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 13, 2023, 01:42:52 PM
No what I said was that you were obviously out-flown and barely got the kil due to a lucky PW despite your huge advantage. I'll add you probably knew it too on some level and had to rtb afterwards for clean underwear.
Really, that's all you take away from that video? Oh boy, I flew like a noob then!
But wait, that means Skyyr got totally owned by a noob :rofl
Thanks nrshida, everyone should have such a helpful stalker :rofl
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 13, 2023, 03:59:40 PM
Why do I have a feeling some guys are working hard to get as many pilots as possible to cancel their subscription and leave the game..? Too many similar things I've read lately and my basic instinct says there are too many coincidences. :noid
P.S And no "Wtg" or anything from the other member of Rotte... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Luftwaffe_(1933%E2%80%931945)#Schwarm,_Rotte_and_Kette) :huh
Agree 100%. I've taken notice of this myself.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 14, 2023, 01:41:45 AM
Your problem is that no matter what you say, everyone who looks at the video, still sees the black cat on a roof :rofl
Homo Sapiens are particularly vulnerable to confirmation bias. As a master of spin such-as-yourself is obviously aware. "Read this text first: It's what you've all been looking for. Then watch the vid, it happened exactly as I said"'. As I stated: watch the film with no preconceotions and decide for yourselves what happened.
No people lie. Other people are susceptable to believing those lies. Look at the state of the world. Enough to make you weep.
I myself did not see cats of any colour on any kind of roof. Purely from a flying perspective: I saw film of a gibbon, holding onto the tail of an injured jaguar and shouting "Look how powerful I am". Yes mate, you're all powerful and magnificent. Here's your jacket, you know the one with the special wrap-around sleeves.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: GasTeddy on December 14, 2023, 02:15:39 AM
Just testing... (https://media.tenor.com/6wAoXLvUScEAAAAM/cat-running.gif)
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 14, 2023, 02:53:17 AM
Vraciu, why are all your posts licking boots and riding coattails? Can you not forge your own identity?
The recent Skyyr-shade video in which you are riding along commentating is truly peak cringe.
Speaking of Vraciu, the best Skyyr video is the one where V vaporized your C Hog (in your weak HO attempt after pontificating how easy cannon planes are to get kills in) and everyone on vox laughed simultaneously when you showed up in the kill feed. Epic hilarity.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 14, 2023, 01:40:58 PM
The most Vraciu response ever. Good job, Vraciu, you odd little fellow.
Vraciu doesn't just live rent-free in that pointy head of yours, he owns the deed/mortgage/title. :rofl
The only question left in this game is whether or not you've dethroned tdgshane for most excuses on 200 after dying. I think you are the new champ. :rofl
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 14, 2023, 02:17:45 PM
It's a bad sign when you speak about yourself in the third person. Maybe you should stick to commenting on how wonderful "Vraciu's" skins are. Just don't forget to log out of this troll account first. :neener:
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Lazerr on December 14, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
Yeah.. painfully obvious when you search his posting history. Lol
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: hazmatt on December 14, 2023, 02:58:01 PM
LiberVraciu is the best P51 pilot in the game and a commercial airline pilot that flys the a380 or something like that. Just ask him :)
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 14, 2023, 03:08:57 PM
Glad you caught the gay reference. A bit late to the party but...
Oh, that makes sense. I thought it was a reference to Shiny people...
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: trogdor on December 21, 2023, 01:48:48 AM
Seems like this thread keeps confusing whether we like someone with whether they have a point.
I don't give half a crap about who Gunzo is. I don't need to like or dislike him. I don't care if he actually is a hypocrite in light of past behavior; that doesn't excuse the same current behavior by others. Imagine if you could defend yourself in court by saying "but other people have committed the same crime!".
I and others have recently and repeatedly noticed the same behavior that Gunzo is describing by the same characters and similar remarkable ensuing coincidences after a multi-sector flight by the guy in question. Color me unsurprised.
What did you expect, AH? If it bothers you that they are side-splitting and coordinating on alternative comms, by all means, say so. But I would expect zero action from admin unless there is a credible threat to the game's income. You can't keep people from using 3rd party comms if they want to. Discord is a hell of a lot nicer to use for squads than native comms in the game. And people tend to be the people they've always been.
Expect more of this petty nonsense from the usual suspects, but ask yourself how seriously you need to take such people..... I mean...going to those lengths to flex on old men in a niche video game......ffs, it's so pathetic that the overriding self-ownage of engaging in it is the most notable feature of the whole exercise :rofl
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 21, 2023, 10:50:16 AM
I mean...going to those lengths to flex on old men in a niche video game......ffs, it's so pathetic that the overriding self-ownage of engaging in it is the most notable feature of the whole exercise :rofl
Yep, the self ownage was classic!
Even better was that Skyyr and his little helper flippz went to all that trouble, the coordination, the long range sortie, the live video streaming.
But it all ended with Skyyr getting owned like a noob in front of his fan boys and then cried like a baby afterwards, now that's priceless!!
Gunzo.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Shuffler on December 21, 2023, 12:42:45 PM
Like I always end up saying... I usually beat myself.... and not in a good way either.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 21, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Even better was that Skyyr and his little helper flippz went to all that trouble, the coordination, the long range sortie, the live video streaming.
But it all ended with Skyyr getting owned like a noob in front of his fan boys and then cried like a baby afterwards, now that's priceless!!
Gunzo.
Fail.
You are trying WAAAAAY too hard.
The secret to good trolling is minimal effort.
But if you are so good then I'm sure you'll have no issues with a best-of-seven series duel against Skyyr. Put me down for the Skyyr 7, BadBoy 0 bracket.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 21, 2023, 04:47:22 PM
But if you are so good then I'm sure you'll have no issues with a best-of-seven series duel against Skyyr. Put me down for the Skyyr 7, BadBoy 0 bracket.
Tell him to find Gunzo in the MA, I'm on for at least 3 or 4 hours a day and he shouldn't have any trouble finding me if he uses his usual methods :rofl
To make it easy for him, I'll wing up with one of his Squad mates again :rolleyes:
But he has a long way to catch up. So far the score is Gunzo 237 - Skyyr 0.
That was just during the 9 years while he was banned yet still flying under various shades :rofl
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 21, 2023, 06:34:03 PM
^^^^^^Trying soooooooo hard to gain the respect he craves, yet finding none.
See prior post.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 23, 2023, 04:04:42 PM
Imagine if you could defend yourself in court by saying "but other people have committed the same crime!". I and others have recently and repeatedly noticed the same behavior that Gunzo is describing by the same characters and similar remarkable ensuing coincidences after a multi-sector flight by the guy in question. Color me unsurprised.
Two very good points.
You mention defending in court, and the number of remarkable coincidences.
A real problem is that many people just don’t know how to evaluate coincidences, they tend to give them far less value than they deserve. They also don’t know how proof works or the important part played by those remarkable coincidences. Coincidence and uncertainty needs to be accounted for in any kind of proof.
That begs the question, what constitutes proof, how sure do you need to be?
The USA has one of the best legal systems in the world and that system has a number of standards for the burden of proof, most people have heard of some of these phrases: “reasonable articulable suspicion”, “preponderance of the evidence” and “beyond a reasonable doubt” but those terms may seem a bit vague to some people.
Can we be any more precise?
Yes, 124 judges, with an average of 11 years on the bench, were able quantify it. It turns out that 40% of those judges caseloads were criminal, the remainder civil, family or mixed cases. The study quantified the burden of proof, here they are in ascending order.
Reasonable articulable suspicion 42% sure.
Probable Cause 50% sure.
Preponderance of the evidence 54% sure.
Substantial probability 55% sure.
Clear and convincing evidence 73% sure.
Beyond a reasonable doubt 90% sure.
When are they used:
Beyond a reasonable doubt: Used in criminal law.
Clear and convincing evidence: Used in fraud and in will disputes.
Preponderance of the evidence: Used in most civil cases.
What happens when there is a lot of evidence, but none of it appears to be very strong?
Drawing conclusions from multiple pieces of evidence is very unintuitive particularly when no single piece of evidence seems conclusive by itself. Many people would look at each piece of evidence and conclude that there was no single piece of conclusive proof, and that the accused was therefore innocent. The feeling is that the evidence is just a whole lot of nothing and that adds up to nothing. But evidence always has some weight, no matter how small and you can't overlook how unlikely it would be for a large body of evidence to accumulate just by coincidence.
Here is a brief example of how this works in a criminal trial for example:
-------------------------------- In a burglary trial there were three main pieces of evidence, an eye witness, a shoe print and an item recovered from the suspect. The eye witness identified the suspect from a line up. The police asked him how certain he was that it was the same person and the eye witness said he was 80% sure.
The police found a partial shoe print at the scene that matched the shoes the suspect was wearing when arrested and later the stolen item was recovered from the suspect’s residence.
Now let’s consider each piece of evidence in isolation. For each piece of evidence we can ask how likely it is that the suspect is guilty.
Firstly, the eye witness was only 80% sure. That would not meet the “Beyond a Reasonable Doubt” burden of proof by itself, so if this had been the only piece of evidence at the criminal trial it would have been insufficient to prove guilt.
Secondly, the shoe print had no unique features, but was the same type and size as that of the suspect. A forensics expert also testified that the depth of the print matched the depth that would be produced by someone of the suspect’s weight. The shoe was handmade in another state and not at all common so the expert was able testify that this evidence was clear and convincing with 73% certainty. This would not meet the burden of proof, so by itself would also have been insufficient.
Thirdly, the suspect claimed he purchased the recovered item from someone he met in a bar sometime after the crime had been committed. This was considered suspicious with only a 42% probability of guilt. Again, entirely insufficient by itself.
You can see, that in isolation, each of these pieces of evidence suggest innocence.
However, when you combine the probabilities, using the kind of simple math most teenagers learn in the 11th grade, the combined probabilities come to 97% and well above the threshold to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Many people would look at each piece of evidence and conclude that there was no single piece of conclusive proof, and that the accused was therefore innocent. But that overlooks how unlikely it would be for an innocent person to have been identified at the scene, have a matching footprint and body weight and be found in possession of the stolen item. The unlikely coincidence can’t be ignored, the evidence must be viewed as a whole.
At the trial the judge instructed the jury to consider the “Totality of Evidence” and explained that they should consider all the evidence presented in the case and to evaluate it collectively. He explained that this includes both direct and circumstantial evidence and that even if individual pieces of evidence are not strong on their own, adding that the cumulative effect of multiple pieces could be significant.
After deliberation the jury found that the evidence amounted to proof beyond a reasonable doubt and returned a guilty verdict.
I’m guessing they understood the Judge’s instructions. -----------------------------------
So what about the video evidence in the original post, can we do something similar?
Well of course there are no laws involved here, but we can apply similar principles. In a trial, there are always charges (formal accusations). We can reformulate observations from the video into hypothetical charges for the purpose of estimating the likelihood of innocence for each one in an imaginary legal system where these things were considered unlawful, just for the sake of argument. Here is what the observations might look like if written as hypothetical charges:
That Skyyr & Flippz split countries so as to observe and hunt the intended target.
That Skyyr flew five sectors, ignoring many closer contacts to find the intended target.
That Flippz misdirected the intended target to assist Skyyr in achieving a favourable intercept.
That Skyyr performed two intercepts on the same target within minutes.
That Skyyr and flippz were using 3rd party comm’s to share information more effectively.
That they were using that information specifically to hunt the intended target.
In each case considered individually, what is the likelihood of innocence stated in the form of the percentages determined by the 124 judges cited earlier?
The timing of this country change was suspicious, supported by the apparent attempts to tease the alleged target to lower altitude. Even so, not particularly strong by itself so a reasonable person might claim innocence beyond any reasonable doubt, so a 90% probability of innocence.
This was also suspicious but the benefit of the doubt is again warranted. Because so many fights had to be passed up to get there, not as much doubt as before. A reasonable person might claim clear and convincing likelihood of innocence. So a 73% probability of innocence for this one.
Giving advice that seemed more favourable to his squad mate than to his wingman is more difficult to dismiss, but a reasonable person would still give the benefit of doubt so a substantial likelihood of innocence at 55% for this one.
This first intercept was as good as it gets, almost perfect. Hard to imagine how it could have been achieved by pure luck. The second intercept was achieved at lower than ideal altitude, but that is outweighed by how unlikely it is to intercept the same target twice among eleven other potential targets only minutes apart. However taken in isolation, the benefit of the doubt would still fall on the side of innocence at a 55% probability of innocence.
There is still a need to allow the benefit of the doubt here, but it is common knowledge that they do this so a substantial probability of innocence at 55%.
No doubt that this has happened in the past, but in this case the benefit of the doubt is again appropriate at a substantial probability of innocence at 55%.
So again, if any one of those things occurred in isolation, an overall conclusion of innocence would be inescapable. As already pointed out, most people's gut reaction would be to feel that if you can discount each item as innocent, then overall innocence is assured. That isn’t how it works. More evidence increases the likelihood of guilt. That is why judges often instruct juries to consider the totality of the evidence as in the previous example.
When we combine the chances of all of these things occurring together we should also combine them with the occurrence of almost identical events experienced by other players, such as those we have seen cited in this thread by Simon and Trogdor.
If we do that and allow conservatively for a total of only four such occurrences, the probability of guilt comes out at a staggering 99.999%
That’s well above the threshold required by the burden of proof for “Beyond a reasonable doubt” and would lead to a very safe verdict of guilty in our imaginary legal system.
Remember, this is simple 11th grade math here. It means that the odds of Skyyr being innocent are one hundred thousand to one against.
Just saying :rofl
Gunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: CptTrips on December 23, 2023, 04:26:38 PM
Two very good points.You mention defending in court, and the number of remarkable coincidences. A real problem is that many people just don’t know how to evaluate coincidences, they tend to give them far less value than they deserve. They also don’t know how proof works or the important part played by those remarkable coincidences. Coincidence and uncertainty needs to be accounted for in any kind of proof. That begs the question, what constitutes proof, how sure do you need to be? The USA has one of the best legal systems in the world and that system has a number of standards for the burden of proof, most people have heard of some of these phrases: “reasonable articulable suspicion”, “preponderance of the evidence” and “beyond a reasonable doubt” but those terms may seem a bit vague to some people.
your about as good of a lawyer as you are a shade using player, horrible.
you are correct in SOME of the above information. all though in court and legal preceedings both parts present evidence and to either credit or discredit.
i prefer to not joust with you on this matter as this was brought in to question about an earlier incident that day that led to you being caught running multi accounts across two countries.
any one of those statements could be debunked with about 5 mins of my proof but i digress. now lets take your point of action as substantial and damming evidence in acct. THIS IS IN NO WAY TO POINT FINGERS AT TROG I LOVE TROG TO DEATH On thursday 12/22 i was flying as a knight along side troggy and switched to a rook (which i had not seen trogg fight at all that night). i made a few poignant comments about the knights not capturing a certain base (63). i flew out of a rook base and joined the rooks on an attack of a bish base (there was only about 3 of us going in as it was all most a 2 sector flight). i killed 2 bish and rtb to my base. upon returning i find nox and troggy there waiting on me (all the while a massive fight was raging between the bish and the knights to gain foot holds in the southwest part of the map) troggy easily kills me as he has alt and is in better postioning. this goes on for a few more trips as i watch other planes (51d and 47n) make it to the base unscathed, but yet somehow my spit 16 gets jumpped by a spit 14 and an f4u every trip back. Is that a form of hunting? are they greifing me? in the context of gunzo it would be exactly the same! Move on to Saturday i am still a rook. i log on about 4:30. I up from a base that is lightly being attacked first two sorties nothing amazing. third sortie i get three kills. Low and behold who shows up Troggy, and a slew of f4s with simon in tow. they flew almost 2 sectors to that fight. i asked in country is a jokingly way how long the zoo crew had been coming in and 3 people answered they had not been there the whole time as it had only been bish fighters.......weird. not been there all day, i get three kills and the f4 mongrols suddenly show up? is troggy hunting me? and are they coercing with one another to ruin my game play. i up a spit get to 14k i see 4 cons on dar due west i head that way. low and behold 4 f4u fighters. i begin attacking some turn for speed others for alt. in the end none would engage until all were in better postion and it was a 4v1 (remember this statement). i up again with the f4s looming over head at about 12 to 14k. they kill a few planes i grab alt and chase down rudeboi and i think i got his rudder. he out paces me leaving the fight, i grab alt and head due south as theres another f4 with alt i bnz him a lil and being out numbered he quickly goes in the 15* angle of rtbing. i again gain alt to find a f4 n/e of our base fighting a country man (all due respect to the player) who didnt look as he was goonna win the encounter, i immediately roll 90 degrees set a 20* attack nose down and pummel the f4, right wing comes a loose. all the sudden simon crows on 200 "you just cant respect a 1v1 huh" i repsond with the da is for 1v1 as my last sorties saw me fight all 4 f4s with no respect to a 1v1. this again happens a few more times until there were more guys in the air and was a lot harder for them to triangulate me as there were more cons in the area. Now again I love troggy to death. do i think he was hunting me yes! do i think with over whelming evidence the f4s and troggy saw the kill feed and came there yes! Do i mind? NO if you are hunting me i dont have to hunt a fight. Is what i described the exact thing that took place absolutely not, some stuff stuff in there is exactly what happened some stuff is not exactly what happened, i only typed this to show you can manipulate anything in the world to your presepective. in gunzos video you cant see the clip board but skyyr was getting kills way before encountering specter. i was yanking his chain (again from what he left out from earlier in the day of me/us calling him on his use of shades) for the 51. you also cant see the clip board but we were headed south to a rook base where there was a high presence of enemies (rooks/bts) hovering over their base, why would you turn around and by time stamps in the videos, a long way to a single red plane in the base area when we were all most on top of the entire sector of dar we were going to fight? did he have an alternate acct open and know that was skyyr? i find it weird to all most be on top of the fight and leave, so much that my name disappeared from the players list for a long time before he even got to skyyr. again you can spin anything to look the way you want with enough typing and pitch fork following. but the facts of the video does not justify the outcome any more than my snap shot of the last two days in aces high. again no one i mentioned in the above scenario i mean any harm or grief to, just used as examples and ways to prove a point. another good point was the day after the video by gunzo was released i was next to hollywd and troggy popped up on the kill feed as having killed a player in the immediate area. hollywd hopes on the radio and said where is troggy and what is he in, a reply came back. i then ask hllywd why did you ask what troggy was in and why? he replied hes probally the best fighter out here and thats who i want to fight first. i just typed that to show people arent hunted as much as looked out for or prized in a fight win. me and my squad change countries alot. we look for airplane fights, not people. we get caught on diffrent sides sometimes. we kill each other the same as we kill others. the loudest crowers in the game are worthless of hunts as they think they are, just but hurt from a lilttle of the thunder being stolen.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 24, 2023, 10:04:27 AM
flippz, good try, but you have neither the experience nor the insight to properly understand what has been going on, long before the few weeks that you've been back in the game.
The event you allude to was my first sortie of the night. I'm sure you'd like to think that I and some friends logged on, checked the roster, and decided to come after you, but I can assure you that is not the case, at all. Trogdor was already in "your" fight, and I flew towards that general area without even a thought about who was bish, rook or otherwise. Nox hadn't even logged on at that point, if I recall correctly.
That fight was already bish+rook+knight, and it was the only fight on the map for Knights. There was no other dar-bar at all. A bummer indeed, since my least favourite thing to do is fly that far to find a fight. I certainly would not bypass other fights or targets to get there. That is a big differentiator, if you're at all paying attention.
I trust you also noticed that none of us piled on. After Rud3 cleared my 12 a couple of times, I flew away to see if I could intercept some inbound fighters from other fields. I knew you were there (by your puzzling accusations on ch200), but none of us gangpiled you as there were enough targets available to spread the love. I think I took one pass at you the entire night. To be honest, you're not much of a fun fight, since spixteen-HO-merge is a little too pedantic to capture my interest for very long.
Eventually I did happen across a high F4U1a (same as my plane), in a far-off corner of the grid, outside of range of any other contacts, and we engaged. It ended up near the deck, as we were twisting and turning. A fun fight it was, until you dove in and picked me. Twice.
I understand that's part of the game, and I never even for a second considered that you were going out of your way to target me. Of course I was disappointed that our 1v1 was picked, but just as much for my dance partner as myself. I have to question whether you asked if he wanted or needed you to interrupt, because if not, that was quite a rude thing you did to him, since at that time it was pretty much 50/50. If he did ask for your help, then I completely understand and respect what you did. But, he didn't, did he?
That, as it turned out, was the end of that particular furball. Another fight flared up in a different part of the map, which was far more appealing as there was a CV involved and I did not have to fly 2 grids to get into it. So I'm really not sure how you could possibly think you were anything more than an afterthought when our interaction was fleeting and uneventful.
flippz, you're trying to defend the indefensible from a position in which you lack knowledge or awareness. What you're actually doing is gaslighting. If you don't know what that means, look it up, because I'm quite sure that you've been gaslit yourself by you-know-who. It is the only way you could have drawn the conclusions that you're broadcasting both here and in the game.
Once again I encourage you to stay out of it, since this has nothing to do with you beyond the squad tag you unfortunately chose.
<S>
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Dadtallica on December 24, 2023, 10:19:40 AM
How about from now on all you children log into your own arena every night and just play with each other for the sanity of the collective.
Also, new word of the day, let’s all learn it.
con·cise /kənˈsīs/ adjective giving a lot of information clearly and in a few words; brief but comprehensive. "a concise account of the country's history"
:salute
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: flippz on December 24, 2023, 10:22:30 AM
flippz, good try, but you have neither the experience nor the insight to properly understand what has been going on, long before the few weeks that you've been back in the game.
The event you allude to was my first sortie of the night. I'm sure you'd like to think that I and some friends logged on, checked the roster, and decided to come after you, but I can assure you that is not the case, at all. Trogdor was already in "your" fight, and I flew towards that general area without even a thought about who was bish, rook or otherwise. Nox hadn't even logged on at that point, if I recall correctly.
That fight was already bish+rook+knight, and it was the only fight on the map for Knights. There was no other dar-bar at all. A bummer indeed, since my least favourite thing to do is fly that far to find a fight. I certainly would not bypass other fights or targets to get there. That is a big differentiator, if you're at all paying attention.
I trust you also noticed that none of us piled on. After Rud3 cleared my 12 a couple of times, I flew away to see if I could intercept some inbound fighters from other fields. I knew you were there (by your puzzling accusations on ch200), but none of us gangpiled you as there were enough targets available to spread the love. I think I took one pass at you the entire night. To be honest, you're not much of a fun fight, since spixteen-HO-merge is a little too pedantic to capture my interest for very long.
Eventually I did happen across a high F4U1a (same as my plane), in a far-off corner of the grid, outside of range of any other contacts, and we engaged. It ended up near the deck, as we were twisting and turning. A fun fight it was, until you dove in and picked me. Twice.
I understand that's part of the game, and I never even for a second considered that you were going out of your way to target me. Of course I was disappointed that our 1v1 was picked, but just as much for my dance partner as myself. I have to question whether you asked if he wanted or needed you to interrupt, because if not, that was quite a rude thing you did to him, since at that time it was pretty much 50/50. If he did ask for your help, then I completely understand and respect what you did. But, he didn't, did he?
That, as it turned out, was the end of that particular furball. Another fight flared up in a different part of the map, which was far more appealing as there was a CV involved and I did not have to fly 2 grids to get into it. So I'm really not sure how you could possibly think you were anything more than an afterthought when our interaction was fleeting and uneventful.
flippz, you're trying to defend the indefensible from a position in which you lack knowledge or awareness. What you're actually doing is gaslighting. If you don't know what that means, look it up, because I'm quite sure that you've been gaslit yourself by you-know-who. It is the only way you could have drawn the conclusions that you're broadcasting both here and in the game.
Once again I encourage you to stay out of it, since this has nothing to do with you beyond the squad tag you unfortunately chose.
<S>
Just proving a point Simon. Anything can be twisted and distorted to look the way some one wants it to be seen.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 24, 2023, 10:25:39 AM
How about you either ignore or contribution to the thread? No one is forcing you to read these comments, much less offer a critique of whether my writing style is too verbose for your attention span.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 10:34:29 AM
How about you either ignore or contribution to the thread? No one is forcing you to read these comments, much less offer a critique of whether my writing style is too verbose for your attention span.
Verbosity is the least of your many flaws.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 24, 2023, 10:45:53 AM
Just proving a point Simon. Anything can be twisted and distorted to look the way some one wants it to be seen.
flippz, no, what you're "proving" is how easy it is to manipulate some people's thoughts and opinions, as you have become a victim of that yourself. This is exactly why that I and others have taken the time to offer the details and provide the evidence, despite the historical record speaking for itself.
A common technique nowadays is doing exactly what you're doing, which is gaslighting. I remain unsure whether you're doing it on purpose or genuinely don't think it's happening. I'm leaning towards the former, which you should consider a compliment, since the latter would require a deep lack of awareness.
It makes no sense to me why you wish to insert yourself into this ugly situation when you are so clearly backing the wrong horse. If you have any doubt about that, take note of who your supporters are.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 11:16:59 AM
Simon has done more to help Skyyr than harm him.
You are a caricature.
You've lost.
Move on.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: flippz on December 24, 2023, 11:58:53 AM
flippz, no, what you're "proving" is how easy it is to manipulate some people's thoughts and opinions, as you have become a victim of that yourself. This is exactly why that I and others have taken the time to offer the details and provide the evidence, despite the historical record speaking for itself.
A common technique nowadays is doing exactly what you're doing, which is gaslighting. I remain unsure whether you're doing it on purpose or genuinely don't think it's happening. I'm leaning towards the former, which you should consider a compliment, since the latter would require a deep lack of awareness.
It makes no sense to me why you wish to insert yourself into this ugly situation when you are so clearly backing the wrong horse. If you have any doubt about that, take note of who your supporters are.
so a thread about me supposedly cheating is posted. many have punched holes in the story as well as i but i am gas lighting? i show proof that everyone does the exact same thing i/we do, ie flying long ranges to fights, look for the better fighters in the area, fly with groups of friends but i am being manipulated? the truth is if he had any substantial evidence or you for that matter it would have been sent to hitek and not posted to the forum where the pitch fork mob, you included could have a field day with it. the truth is simon you 20 yr old flying vets in here dont want any one to ruffle your feathers. you want to log in for you hour and half sortie get winged up with no less than 3 of your buddies and go gang folks and when you cant do that you are being targeted and hunted and the game play aint fair and i am taking my ball and running home to tell my daddy attitude comes out in you. you want to hold on and use something that happened 9 yrs ago against someone and anything that happens like you getting picked out of a horde you want to scream foul and he aint allowed to do that. let it go man. i am gonna use the example i used with vulcan the other day, have you ever sped in a car? any in your life? thats against a real law and could be punished by a court system. but does that make you a hibutal speeder and violator, no. if you get one speeding ticket should you loose your license forever? no. let it go and quit with the witch hunt ewww you drank the kool aid and the stink has stunk attitude.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 24, 2023, 12:02:19 PM
I'd rate this a 7 on the Vinkman scale of re-writing reality.
Good one. But the Vinkman Scale needs to be renamed and recalibrated as the Simon Scale because he makes the excuses used by Vinkman and Shane sound rational.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 24, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
i show proof that everyone does the exact same thing i/we do, ie flying long ranges to fights, look for the better fighters in the area, fly with groups of friends
No, flippz, no one else switches sides and coordinates across countries to track and hunt people. No one else bypasses legitimate targets to pursue someone they have a grudge against.
You may personally not engage in that behavior, but your squad mates absolutely do, whether they let you in on it or not.
There is nothing I love more than connecting with a decent wingman and tackling a horde, but sadly, that's maybe 5-10% of the sorties I fly, at best. The rest are just me alone, occasionally with squadmates scattered across the map doing their own thing. Those are usually the most productive, by the way, since fewer folks run from a single disadvantaged F4U.
Just because there are other planes in the general vicinity does not mean they're my "friends" or we're coordinating anything at all.
You are a johnny-cum-lately to something that's been going on for many years, and inserting yourself into something that you have little knowledge of, beyond how you've been mislead by the guilty ones. This isn't 9-year old history. It's happening now, as it has on numerous other occasions over the last 9 years, and has been witnessed by many.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 24, 2023, 12:58:56 PM
That sounds exactly like something Skyyr would say.
Nah that's Vraciu. If you want a laugh, read his posts from when he created this troll account. Nearly every single post, including his first ever, is in support or defense of Vraciu, or in childlike awe of Skyyr. Watch how he complements his own skins, and claims how everyone loves Vraciu because he's such a great guy. Watch how he uses millennial lingo like hashtags and whatnot, just like Vraciu.
It's astonishing to me that a grown man would go to such lengths to be a low-effort troll, and be so obvious in the process. It is quite something to behold.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 01:14:57 PM
Simon claims Skyyr is using multiple accounts to track him....then admits one can use the score page along with the paint scheme a player flies with to figure out where they are... then goes back to saying Skyyr used coordination and multiple accounts to track him.
Make up your mind.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 01:16:23 PM
Nah that's Vraciu. If you want a laugh, read his posts from when he created this troll account. Nearly every single post, including his first ever, is in support or defense of Vraciu, or in childlike awe of Skyyr. Watch how he complements his own skins, and claims how everyone loves Vraciu because he's such a great guy. Watch how he uses millennial lingo like hashtags and whatnot, just like Vraciu.
Found it. Very funny stuff.
The best part of that reveal, is not only owning Skyyr like a noob, but now knowing I've also owned his No1 BBS fan/fluff boy as well :rofl
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
The best part of that reveal, is not only owning Skyyr like a noob, but now knowing I've also owned his No1 BBS fan/fluff boy as well :rofl
TopGunzo
You and Simon need to get a room and spare us your mutual tongue bath.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Shane on December 24, 2023, 02:16:35 PM
Skyyr is no big deal... more ego than skills. Boring af in match play which is why I walked out on him when he tried to make it about ego.
His professed MA skills are nothing unique - many in the past have done it better, and without resorting to the alleged dweebry that apparently got him banned.
He claims "wins" on ho/rams he also goes down on right after. <--- weaksauce af, lofl.
Good one. But the Vinkman Scale needs to be renamed and recalibrated as the Simon Scale because he makes Vinkman and Shane sound rational (with their excuses).
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 02:17:27 PM
Skyyr is no big deal... more ego than skills. Boring af in match play which is why I walked out on him when he tried to make it about ego.
His professed MA skills are nothing unique - many in the past have done it better, and without resorting to the alleged dweebry that apparently got him banned.
He claims "wins" on ho/rams he also goes down on right after. <--- weaksauce af, lofl.
Carry on.
The Shane/Vinkman/Simon Revisionism Scale is going to get pegged to max at this rate.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Bopgun on December 24, 2023, 02:23:24 PM
Can you ladies just duel one another and get it over with!? My money is on a spontaneous make out-sesh after the merge because the sexual tension is high.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 02:29:24 PM
Can you ladies just duel one another and get it over with!? My money is on a spontaneous make out-sesh after the merge because the sexual tension is high.
Simon won't duel because he knows he will lose most of them.
He can't win unless he has a 4 or 5 to one advantage screaming in from 25K.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 24, 2023, 02:40:31 PM
He says Skyyr is using multiple accounts to track him....then admits one can use the score page along with the paint scheme a player flies with... then goes back to saying Skyyr used coordination and multiple accounts.
Looking at the score page is a perfectly legitimate use of features provided by HTC. Everyone can read the score pages and if HTC had an issue with that they could easily have built in a delay. Players don't need to advertise their own location by using the same aircraft and skins or squad art. If they prefer to remain incognito they can. If they choose to fly around advertising themselves with an easily identifiable paint scheme, you can't blame anyone who happens to notices it.
On the other hand, what Skyyr does is very very different, he's up to his old tricks and he's not being the slightest bit discrete about it.
Despite that I would defend your right to make him your hero and appoint yourself as his cheerleader, if you don't mind degrading yourself, have at it :rofl
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 24, 2023, 02:46:11 PM
That must be why he's still butthurt and crying after so many years... Probably my best squeaky toy ever :rofl
And that's an 11 on the Vinkman reality-rewriting scale. You really aren't all that good. I've encoutered you many times since your DozyDuck days HOing and running in a Tempest.
Shida outclasses you in every area, ACM to intellect, and everything in between.
Oh no no, let's be brutally honest about ourselves and others. Badboy's intellect is way more voluminous than mine. The advantages I have are: I only have the one personality. I can accept my own limitations and I don't have his spatial-dyslexia which limits him to a 2½-Dimension fight. That's why he flat turns so much - which he does very well I must concede. However his love of air-combat and profound technical knowledge coupled with this limitation has twisted his personality such that he tries to be sadistic to those who don't have his disability. Might have been twisted long ago and just looking for an outlet.
Regarding Badboy's 'legal post' which was nothing more than a long-winded Strawman. Let's take all that legal-like bollocks as read and move straight to sentencing. It's true what Trogdor said that it is no defense that others have committed similar crimes. However I think American law probably sentences by precidence or a systematic template? Regardless the proposition is that it should be consistently applied I assume.
So if Skyyr did get a nine-year ban for unfairly targetting a player, say, how come Badboy - after getting kicked out of the AH Training Corp (he did not retire) - and having had film accepted by HiTech as evidencing dot-wingman exploitation never got a ban at all, has systematically rolled through anonymous names on a bi-weekly basis for decades using the dot-wingman exploit and is still allowed to this day to troll on this forum? I'm legally disheartened.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
He owns you so bad he makes slavery look liberating.
No I really don't. I just try to fly my best and enjoy myself. I'd wish everyone could do the same, but I'm starting to realise I've been wrong about what AH is all these years. The flying is a secondary or tertiary activity. Pervert put his finger on the primary focus for most of the noisy ones years ago: It's all about ego.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Bopgun on December 24, 2023, 04:23:02 PM
I still think a dueling bracket would cut down on some of the drama.
Or
Exacerbate it :devil
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 04:35:54 PM
No I really don't. I just try to fly my best and enjoy myself. I'd wish everyone could do the same, but I'm starting to realise I've been wrong about what AH is all these years. The flying is a secondary or tertiary activity. Pervert put his finger on the primary focus for most of the noisy ones years ago: It's all about ego.
Agreed.
I think all the score publicity is toxic now.
Anonymous scores would go a long way to cutting down in the griefing. Perhaps even career scores.
The kill buffer minus the victim name would help. Maybe.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 24, 2023, 05:04:04 PM
You really aren't all that good. I've encoutered you many times since your DozyDuck days HOing and running in a Tempest.
Ok, so to be clear, you got HO'd many times by a Tempest, at furbal lake in the old DA, by someone called DozyDuck, (But wait, HOing in a Tempest, doesn't that sound like TheJudge's MO?) but it may have been Rufio, Gundog, Zippy, Badboy or several others.
The experience was so traumatic that you have been posting foaming and barely coherent rants for over ten years.
Yep, that's a record... Best Squeaky toy ever :rofl
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 24, 2023, 05:20:52 PM
Let's take all that legal-like bollocks as read and move straight to sentencing. It's true what Trogdor said that it is no defense that others have committed similar crimes. However I think American law probably sentences by precidence or a systematic template? Regardless the proposition is that it should be consistently applied I assume.
You seem to be having difficulty with the concepts involved. Evidence is used to establish facts. There has to be a finding of fact, established by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt before sentencing by a judge takes place. In sentencing there are only upper and lower limits and every case rests on its own merit and many other factors come in to play in determining the sentence. So let's back up a bit and not overlook the facts. When Skyyr was banned there was a finding in fact. Of course we aren't talking about a real crime here, but if it was a crime Skyyr could have earned a place among the worlds dumbest criminals, because he published a video of the event that resulted in his ban. That video was essentially a confession. It was a finding of fact. He was hoisted by his own petard.
Unfortunately, that's your problem, things don't become facts just because you can write them down. At that point they are only accusations, Don't forget, a thing isn't even evidence just because you claim to have it. With out producing the evidence, all you have are unsubstantiated accusations. A cop won't even put his doughnut down for that. If evidence exists it is presented to a jury who deliberate and make a finding of fact based on the weight of the evidence. Of course rumours, hearsay and speculation are always dismissed.
In your case almost everything you say is speculative, unsupported and factually incorrect. Essentially, you are just repeating emotional rants.
On the other hand, in this thread, a film has been posted as evidence. It is a true record of the events. The events have been scrutinised and evaluated. Other similar occurrences have been taken into consideration. The resulting probability of guilt far exceeds the burden of proof required to establish the facts beyond a reasonable doubt.
Unfortunately, other than some casual trolling, nothing has been challenged. I assume most of the people reading the thread are just enjoying it for the entertainment value. You have probably made the best effort, but you should have recused yourself. If you had any real desire to support Skyyr and challenge the evidence or dispute the facts, you would not have destroyed your own credibility over your lingering emotions about some alleged harsh treatment you received over a decade ago in the old DA by a large number of perpetrators, all of which you claim were me. Skyyr would have been better off without you.
It looks (beyond a reasonable doubt) as though Skyyr is once again trying to hoist himself by his own petard.
He seems to be working hard to earn it. I wish him every success with that :rofl
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 08:50:29 PM
Skyyr > Simon
Skyyr > Badboy
/Discussion
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 24, 2023, 09:11:47 PM
Anonymous scores would go a long way to cutting down in the griefing. Perhaps even career scores.
The kill buffer minus the victim name would help. Maybe.
Funny, I recall Vraciu having the exact same opinion and thought on score... 🥱
You guys know it starts over every month right?
There is virtually no greifing about score actually. 90% of the arena don't even try for score. Their score comes naturally based on the way they play and their experience in the game. I'd say maybe the top 5 are some what challenging to get. Other than that, most people just get the scores they do based on how they play and/or how much they play.
I use score for measure, and I personally think it's one of the best scoring systems out there. I don't particularly like the kill message pop ups for everyone to see though. It gives away your position which I don't care for, especially when they can pin point you on the dot dar.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 24, 2023, 09:59:07 PM
Vraciu is one of the smartest guys I know. I learned a lot from him in 40+ years.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: hazmatt on December 24, 2023, 10:07:43 PM
You seem to be having difficulty with the concepts involved. . . . It looks (beyond a reasonable doubt) as though Skyyr is once again trying to hoist himself by his own petard.
Seems plain enough. You posted a video which doesn't evidence your narrative and are continuing to try and assert Skyyr should be banned because of it. Yet you're still here for doing the same and flame-baiting far more than he does.
In your case almost everything you say is speculative, unsupported and factually incorrect. Essentially, you are just repeating emotional rants.
Really. Is that why you got ejected from the AH Training Corp, HiTech stopped you using the dot wingman abuse (finally) and everyone here now knows who you are? Just because of speculation?
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 25, 2023, 03:40:07 AM
...and - as you just said - just because you say a thing, doesn't make it reality.
Exactly, and you can’t make something reality however many times you repeat it.
Quote from: nrshida
No actually mostly post because what you're doing isn't right. I'd speak up for anyone being done an injustice because that's the right thing to do.
Do you also run around your neighbourhood at night wearing a mask and a cape?
Quote from: nrshida
Seems plain enough. You posted a video which doesn't evidence your narrative
Back to the cat on the roof again, perhaps it will look more like a cat if you restart your medication?
Quote from: nrshida
Really. Is that why you got ejected from the AH Training Corp, HiTech stopped you using the dot wingman abuse (finally) and everyone here now knows who you are?
Never been a trainer.
Never been stopped from using .wingman
Never flown against you in a Tempest.
Never shot you down at furball lake.
Never noticed you in the game.
Film or it didn’t happen.
Quote from: nrshida
Just because of speculation?
Probably not just speculation. I’m guessing what ever happened to you in the DA all those years ago pushed you over the edge, because judging by your emotional rants, mental health may be a contributory factor.
You can get help for that.
Skyyr is a big boy, let him speak for himself.
Take slow deep breaths and try to enjoy your Christmas. :aok
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: LCADolby on December 25, 2023, 04:18:55 AM
Badboy you’re so badly busted you don’t even know to what extent you’re busted. But keep wriggling. Any positive contribution you ever made to this game has now been utterly ruined.
I’m guessing what ever happened to you in the DA all those years ago pushed you over the edge, because judging by your emotional rants, mental health may be a contributory factor.
All that happened at the Furball Lake was you used to troll around in a Tempest waiting your chance to pick anyone who could outfly you in an equal fight and then crow about it. You used to do it relentlessly wasting others time in an unsurprising: if I can’t dogfight you can’t either stylee. Do keep fapping yourself silly over your fantasy that you’re an all-powerful dominator of everyone. If that was the case you wouldn’t have to hide behind shades in case you get demonstrably out-flown. You’re a weak pathological liar and troll.
What did you claim 329-0. Hard to imagine with the flying on snow here.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 25, 2023, 06:01:17 AM
Exactly. You guys should be shamed, shamed from the bottom of your hearts, guts and even rectums. But what can one candle light in an eternal darkness of black mind, created by non-existing self esteem combined with huge, fragile and crooked ego. Jesus Christ, if your parents were alive saw this, they would give you such a beating you wouldn't sit for a week.
Badboy you’re so badly busted you don’t even know to what extent you’re busted. But keep wriggling.
:devil
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 26, 2023, 11:33:05 AM
Why hasn't this thread been locked? The first post was December the 11th from a shade account previously inactive for nine years. Rather strains belief that it hasn't been noticed and as far as I can see it's essentially a public cheating accusation towards at least two players, as unevidenced as it is, followed by extensive trolling and flamebaiting.
Starting to look like preferential treatment is extended to some or at least rules are applied differently. Why?
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: trogdor on December 26, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
EVERYONE who intentionally breaks the rules should be held accountable.
Failing that, everyone who can fairly be held accountable should be held accountable.
End of story.
If you have an objection to that kind of justice in life or games, you need to think about your values.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 26, 2023, 11:41:14 AM
Whether Gunzo is badboy or not is one thing, and I commend his hilarious effort here. I do believe that him and Simon do have valid gripes, as I have my own video I may share that explicitly proves coordination from his squad on my team while he's on another. Given the circumstances, I could easily see a set up and go signal while his squadies completely ignore attacking him or acknowledging his presence as he flies right by them. Given the player in question history. I feel he should be very careful and fly with his squad to avoid such accusations.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 26, 2023, 02:12:59 PM
I have my own video I may share that explicitly proves coordination from his squad on my team while he's on another. Given the circumstances, I could easily see a set up and go signal while his squadies completely ignore attacking him or acknowledging his presence as he flies right by them.
This sounds like it represents even stronger evidence than the video in the original post.
That evidence was previously combined with the occurrence of almost identical events experienced by Simon and Trogdor. Now evidence from DmonSlyr can be included to update the outcome.
The probability of guilt comes out at an even more staggering 99.999921%
That means the odds of Skyyr being innocent are currently:
The odds of Skyyr being innocent = 1.27 Million to one against.
We are now so far beyond the burden of proof, there can no longer be any doubt.
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: CptTrips on December 26, 2023, 02:22:17 PM
It is not one thing, it is the thing. If you aren't privvy to the evidence (I thought you were) then smply look at the timeline of recent events: Skyyr posts a video criticising Lazer's ACM (right before his ban was lifted and later deleted). Badboy (official forum account) then posts that Skyyr's explanation is entirely incorrect and is just a personal attack. Then this video shows up from Gunzo, then Skyyr posts a video of one of Badboy's other shade accounts in the MA and a full ahf of them duelling. There is your motive for this thread in a 99.968847993759927% nutshell. He's just opportunistically trying to exploit the current pitchfork-weilding mentaility. Badboy cannot out-fly Skyyr and we all know what he does when has to confront that reality. Yes he drinks his special Jekyyl and Hyde potion and away he goes...
You should leave the monitoring of Skyyr's probation to HTC. Dale has put his reputation on the line by unbanning him. Not our job mate.
EVERYONE who intentionally breaks the rules should be held accountable.
I totally agree. And I would point out that Skyyr got a nine-year official ban. When he snook back in is Dale's neglect and disinterest and is on him. Badboy's driven far more players away from AH than he's ever contributed, spoiling the PAID gameplay of others for hours on end and we still have to put up with his monkey-business to this day to an extent which it's really starting to look preferentially suspicious.
I don't want Badboy banned from the game either. What would be most appropriate for him is that he should not be allowed to fly online under any other ID except Badboy. Remove his continual plausible-deniability strategy and hidden ID advantage. I'm not sure what the root of this multiple account shenanigens is. It could be that trainers were always allowed to have mutiple accounts so they can enjoy the game in peace (makes sense) but that perverted into this Jekyyl and Hyde act long ago and nothing's done about it.
Again, why has this thread not been locked? In my experience cheating accusations where never tolerated previously on this forum. It was always a case of submitting evidence direclty to HTC.
Frankly HiTech's inaction here is starting to look pretty damning. I'd much rather just go flying in the knowledge that the rules are applied equally to all and I'm starting to doubt that.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 27, 2023, 07:21:22 PM
It is not one thing, it is the thing. If you aren't privvy to the evidence (I thought you were) then smply look at the timeline of recent events:
Well there is a time line, but it only includes entirely unrelated events with no particular connection between them or the people involved. I’ll highlight the spurious logic one point at a time:
Quote from: nrshida
Skyyr posts a video criticising Lazer's ACM (right before his ban was lifted and later deleted). Badboy (official forum account) then posts that Skyyr's explanation is entirely incorrect and is just a personal attack.
If you are talking about this thread, that’s also what I saw:
Literally, this has changed my outlook on dogfighting.
I saw that thread, but it has nothing to do with me.
Quote from: nrshida
Then this video shows up from Gunzo,
The video in the original post to this thread didn’t just show up, it was posted shortly after the incident shown in the video occurred, and as a direct result of it. The incident was the motive for posting, nothing else. It was posted because Skyyr appeared to be up to his old tricks. That was the only motive necessary and a pretty obvious one too.
So those two points on your time line are not related. They involve separate and unrelated events and different people. You seem to think the two events are connected because you incorrectly believe they involve the same actors, you are seeing connections that don’t exist and missing the obvious one.
But the best part is the sequence of events you have described rule out your motive theory entirely. You say “Then this video shows up from Gunzo, then Skyyr posts a video” followed by "There is your motive for this thread" But if Skyyr posted a video after me, how could it have been my motive? If I posted my video first, there must have been some prior motive. There was, I posted the video to show what had just happened in the MA, plain and simple. Occam's razor in action.
Quote from: nrshida
Then this video shows up from Gunzo, then Skyyr posts a video of one of Badboy's other shade accounts in the MA and a full ahf of them duelling. There is your motive for this thread in a 99.968847993759927% nutshell.
I’ve seen a video that mentions Gunzo in the title, but none of the names in the title actually appear in the video :rolleyes: I assume one is a Skyyr shade but neither of them are me. Anyone can post a video with an unknown player and claim they are someone else in the film’s title :rofl
So I was supposed to be motivated by a video of some one else? Particular since the real motive is so glaringly obvious, saw it happen, posted it :rofl
Quote from: nrshida
in a 99.968847993759927% nutshell.
Really? Making stuff up?
Here are some numbers that aren't made up:
Your motive theory = 100% wrong
Then making up some random numbers to back it up = 100% fake?
Now we know you like to make stuff up, what else have you just made up because it suits you?
Here’s a final number… Your Credibility = 0%
Quote from: nrshida
Badboy cannot out-fly Skyyr
That may be true, but how would I know? I’ve never seen them fight and never seen a film of them fighting. Does that film even exist?
On the other hand every time I’ve encountered Skyyr, he was comfortably out flown, just as he was in the video I posted here. The video in the original post to this thread is at least a genuine Gunzo v Skyyr film. Don’t be taken in by fake videos just because someone typed Gunzo in the film title. I can see how it happens though.
For example, earlier in this thread Vraciu posted a message by mistake and deleted it claiming it was intended as PM to you saying that I had hunted him and that he had killed me twice in return. Problem is none of his kills or deaths during the entire tour had me on the list? So thanks to that kind of complete nonsense propagated via behind the scenes gossip, there are probably more fake Gunzo shade names than there are players in the game :rofl
Not complaining, some of it is complimentary, some of it funny, but I really shouldn’t take the credit for all the hard work and kills earned by what is apparently a vast army of shades generated by butt hurt paranoia.
I think that covers your main points. But I want to conclude by revisiting something you said earlier:
Quote from: nrshida
It is not one thing, it is the thing. If you aren't privvy to the evidence
The problem with evidence is that if you want to use it you have to be sure it's solid. You don't even appear to have read it back to see if it even made sense. :rofl
What you posted as evidence was a joke. You seem to be unable to distinguish between things you know are true facts and things you only think or want to believe are true. That’s where your time line evidence falls apart, the events aren’t related because the connections you are making between the players aren’t real. You have been reasoning from what you merely think is true as you have throughout this thread. Your resulting conclusions are all non sequitur. A classic case of rubbish in, rubbish out.
Meanwhile you have focused on a ten year old butt kicking you received in the DA by a number of different players that you still think were all me, supported by a long list of names. The strange thing about that is:
I don’t recall ever seeing you online, let alone ever fighting you. :rofl
You post like you are so target fixated you can’t think or see straight. You can’t even follow the sequence of events in your own time line and then resorted to making stuff up :rofl
Goodness knows what other nonsense you are fermenting in your effort to connect the dots that aren't there.
Meanwhile this bears repeating, in case you didn’t notice there was a further witness report, more evidence in from yet another player who has observed Skyyr doing the same things, if not even more damning, and has resulted in an updated probability of guilt at the even more staggering 99.999921%.
The odds of Skyyr being innocent = 1.27 Million to one against.
Bring back that lovin' feelin'
Whoa, that lovin' feelin'
Bring back that lovin' feelin'
'Cause it's gone, gone, gone
And I can't go on, whoa-oh
TopGunzo :rock
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 28, 2023, 02:12:57 AM
If you can do pull numbers out of your arse... Where's your evidence of the several hundred victories to zero you claim earlier against Skyyr? Film or it didn't, oh wait... If we're going to be rational then we all have to be rational. You don't selectively dictate what you think is rational else you're just a troll.
Not really all that much worth addressing here. You have a long-standing fued with anyone who can give you trouble in a fair fight because you're a twisted freak, as Zack would have said.
On the other hand every time I’ve encountered Skyyr, he was comfortably out flown, just as he was in the video I posted here.
Here's the root of your problem right here. Self-dishonesty. The video you posted shows you very nearly eating a 30-mm despite holding every conceivable advantage and an encounter you survived only by virtue of a lucky PW from your desperate spraying and praying earlier on. Dream on. This was not a comfortable victory, you had to rtb for clean underwear. 12-out-of-10 on the Vinkman scale.
Meanwhile you have focused on a ten year old butt kicking you received in the DA by a number of different players that you still think were all me, supported by a long list of names. The strange thing about that is:
No. I've got no problem at all getting my butt-kicked in an I-was-outflown-stylee. For instance had I flown like you did in the OP film I'd be going back to the drawing board to see what changes I have to make to my ACM and trying to decompile what Skyyr's reversal hinged upon. The only problem I have with you is the extensive trolling and griefing of other players gameplay you have systematicaly done for years, and apparently think it's fine to continue doing.
Like I say, what's suitable for you is that HiTech resolves your multiple personality disorder in the arena at least: you can fly as Badboy and that's it.
I'm not going to continually hit the ball back for this freak by myself. Really got better things to do. I've done my best to expose this weirdo and clearly some of you know enough to know. There's only two explanations why HiTech doesn't take care of these forum and EULA violations. One is he doesn't give a 5h!t which is not good. The other is even more disturbing. If I decide that's the case then he can count my subscription along with others driven away by players who can't accept their limitations or act in a civilised manner as Trogdor posted previously. There should be one set of rules qually applied to all regardless of their past interactions with HTC or how many subscriptions they have.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: GasTeddy on December 28, 2023, 02:16:44 AM
Here's the root of your problem right here. Self-dishonesty. The video you posted shows you very nearly eating a 30-mm despite holding every conceivable advantage and an encounter you survived only by virtue of a lucky PW from your desperate spraying and praying earlier on. Dream on. This was not a comfortable victory, you had to rtb for clean underwear. 12-out-of-10 on the Vinkman scale.
And THAT is the key right there in plain sight for all to see.
Drop the mic, Shida. Your takedown of Badboy/Gunzo is one for the ages, right up there with the Santini channel 200 beatdown of Neener during the Morning Crew days. :cheers:
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 28, 2023, 06:18:42 AM
The video you posted shows you very nearly eating a 30-mm despite holding every conceivable advantage and an encounter you survived only by virtue of a lucky PW from your desperate spraying and praying earlier on. Dream on. This was not a comfortable victory, you had to rtb for clean underwear.
Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear and believing things that are not actually true. Might be worth having yourself checked out, it’s treatable.
Quote from: nrshida
The only problem I have with you is the extensive trolling and griefing of other players gameplay you have systematicaly done for years, and apparently think it's fine to continue doing.
Film or it didn’t happen.
Quote from: nrshida
Like I say, what's suitable for you is that HiTech resolves your multiple personality disorder in the arena at least: you can fly as Badboy and that's it.
Nothing to resolve, I’ve explained it several times but you just don’t get it.
Besides the “Badboy” id has been taken by a noob who I’ve encountered in the MA, a few times, most recently about 3 or 4 years ago. It was definitely not the same guy.
If anything, in an effort to keep this boat afloat I think many will increase the number of subscriptions, I’m thinking of having a different one for every day of the week :rofl
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 28, 2023, 06:28:10 AM
Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear and believing things that are not actually true.
Something you have demonstrated with every post.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Gunzo on December 28, 2023, 08:23:40 AM
Man is there nothing but trolls left in this game? LOL
Welcome to Stonehearst Asylum Waystin. We've been expecting you. :)
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Lazerr on December 28, 2023, 07:16:09 PM
Man, almost had vraciu in the DA tonight. But instead he just logged out completely.
Was really looking forward to.... just kidding.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 28, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
[quote author=Simon link=topic=408586.msg5410904#msg5410904 date=1703185837 If you've ever crossed paths with him, and likely shot him down, his demands that you participate in a grudge match duel are also probably familiar. Just bear in mind that he'll be a no-show unless Skyyr is around on Discord to log in under his account to fight for him. [/quote]
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 28, 2023, 08:54:49 PM
Might be worth having yourself checked out, it’s treatable.
You mean my condition where I looked at the film impartially and saw you spazzing on your stick for a desperate shot like a noob, and then watching in terror as that 30-mm nearly pointed right at your egotistically-imbalanced virtual head? Upload some more films of your awesomness. Pure gold.
Besides the “Badboy” id has been taken by a noob who I’ve encountered in the MA, a few times, most recently about 3 or 4 years ago. It was definitely not the same guy.
Well yes obviously you've encountered him because you're always logged in multiple times. I've heard a recording of you on The Few's vox, Badboy, you were calling out contacts and plane types waaaay out of icon range and when someone asked you how you knew it, you went silent. You're somethinng of a legend in AH, just not in the way you'd like.
I think this is a pretty black situation for the rest of us ordinary players. I'm told that some forum members are still getting warnings for certain kinds of posts, so we know Dale isn't sitting in a garden chair drooling. Or at the least he's appointed a moderator to check the forums and you'd have to assume a thread like this, initiated on 11th December would have been highlighted for personal attention and addressed by now. It's nothing short of a systematic rule violation, flamebating and trolling. Flippz, as far as I'm aware was never banned for anything. Just looking at him alone, he has been openly accused of cheating in this thread. Whether you like him or not, think he's a good stick or not, a genuine fella or not, consider: is this normally allowed on the AH forum for flat-out cheating allegations such as this to be allowed to continue?
Something stinks here.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: GasTeddy on December 29, 2023, 04:12:45 AM
You mean my condition where I looked at the film impartially and saw you spazzing on your stick for a desperate shot like a noob, and then watching in terror as that 30-mm nearly pointed right at your egotistically-imbalanced virtual head?
Woulda, coulda, shoulda. :rofl
But speaking of film, I’m curious about the ten year old beatdown that's had such an adverse impact on your mental health.
Apparently it was extensive and repeated. Why don’t you post some film and let us witness the horrors you had to endure?
Quote from: nrshida
calling out contacts and plane types waaaay out of icon range
Regardless of who you are referring to... Film or it didn’t happen.
Quote from: nrshida
is this normally allowed on the AH forum for flat-out cheating allegations such as this to be allowed to continue?
I was going to say that you are the only one making allegations, but that would have been too generous, what your doing doesn’t reach that standard, you’re just behaving like a Karen.
What I posted started out as simple questions, based on a video and ended up as proof beyond a reasonable doubt, supported by the video and evidence from several other players. I know you can’t even begin to comprehend this, but that is exactly what proof looks like, beyond a reasonable doubt.
The probability of Skyyr’s guilt currently stands at a staggering 99.999921%
That means the odds of Skyyr being innocent are currently:
The odds of Skyyr being innocent = 1.27 Million to one against.
I’ll say this slowly… That – is – not – an – allegation! It – is – proof!
Take your time, the penny will drop eventually.
TopGunzo
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: nrshida on December 29, 2023, 06:55:23 AM
Vraciu, seek professional help. This is not rational behavior for any person, much less a supposed adult.
As several have noted recently, both in the forums and in the game, it is "full-on crazy".
I'm even surprised Skyyr hasn't tried to reign you in. You're embarrassing yourself and those who you align with.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 30, 2023, 11:32:45 AM
I spy a role reversal. Now Simon is fighting Lazer's battles. :rofl
The ownage of you two here is epic. :rofl
And anyone who seriously tries to diagnose mental illness within the confines of a video game and the online personalities therein really should seek help.
Your unhinged rants and revisions of history, OTOH, well... :bolt:
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: hazmatt on December 30, 2023, 12:05:25 PM
I only watched the first video. I must say. Nice flying by both of you guys.
I remember the few times I tried to fly the 51B that whenever I'd get it slow with the flaps out it would spin on me.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Lazerr on December 30, 2023, 12:10:39 PM
Takes a special kind to come here and talk all this trash and can't even share who he is. Trash talking for other individuals at that. :rolleyes:
Just yapyapyap.. who are you loud one?
If what I know is wrong, help me out.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Simon on December 30, 2023, 12:11:28 PM
Great! As atmosphere here in this and couple of other topics is so friendly, I was pretty sure participants will rush to open perhaps even several mug shot topics. Multiple topics are needed for multiple personalities.
If you think that is what's happening here, you really have lost all touch with reality.
And if you think anyone takes you seriously you've done the same.
Not sure which is funnier, that you believe your own spiel or that you think anyone else does.
You've lost.
Give it a rest.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: trogdor on December 30, 2023, 01:24:18 PM
This thread is certainly an education in just how unaware a person can be of his credibility problem. It's frankly a little eerie. [backs away slowly.............]
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 30, 2023, 01:34:59 PM
This thread is certainly an education in just how unaware a person can be of his credibility problem. It's frankly a little eerie. [backs away slowly.............]
Yup. Simon has no credibility. None at all. Lazerr is right on his heels. :aok
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: trogdor on December 30, 2023, 01:41:09 PM
I think I'd just underline my previous post at this point
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Hungry on December 30, 2023, 01:45:39 PM
C'mon HT just once, wouldnt you love to spill it who these people really are?
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Lazerr on December 30, 2023, 02:04:55 PM
C'mon HT just once, wouldnt you love to spill it who these people really are?
Probably going to take him to do it, because the guy that behaves just like Vraciu definitely isn't going to. He just likes to flap his lips for other people because???
You notice I've asked him his callsign and.... crickets. Talk about credibility.
Title: Re: AH Combat Report with Questions
Post by: Eagler on December 30, 2023, 03:00:19 PM