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Title: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 10, 2024, 09:28:06 PM
Ever since master of the air month the MA nightly numbers are barely cracking 100. By 10EST it’s in the 70’s or lower. Yes there has been the occasional 130 or so on FSO nights and a couple weekend nights but I’ve noticed an anecdotal decline the last six weeks or so.
I don’t have any explanation just something i feel I’m seeing. I’m sure someone will swoop in with the stats.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 10, 2024, 09:29:49 PM
Cabin fever is over. Warmer weather is in the way (which ironically means more flying time for me when summer break gets here :banana:)
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 10, 2024, 09:58:23 PM
Was hoping it would stay in the 120’s this summer but that might be stretch.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 10, 2024, 10:49:34 PM
Was hoping it would stay in the 120’s this summer but that might be stretch.
Well. As Lusche and others have tried to explain, it was the winter bump.
Happens every year. However over time the highs are never quite as high as the year before, and the lows get lower every year. That has been the trend for over a decade.
The accounts from two months ago are probably still there, they are just starting to go do other stuff like sports and grilling out etc.
They should up for a great event or next Oct. But never as many as the year before.
Maybe retiring former players might bolster that up a bit if some can be lured back, but that has been the yearly trend for over a decade. The average numbers were around 186\night when I had last come back in 2018\2019. There is a seasonal oscillating cycle overlaying a long-term downward trend.
If people want the trend to fundamentally change, well, change requires change. The trend probably won't magically change on its own. That is magical thinking.
It's a pity. Underneath it all, its' still a solid sim, with a solid server tech.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 10, 2024, 10:56:20 PM
Wasn't there one called Tike or something like that? I remember there being 2 squeekers when I was still playing.
One got all worked up about wanting to join Jokers Jokers and the other one would get upset when people weren't defending fields and such.
Both seemed like good kids. I think they were somewhere around 10-13.
I just remember the trans-pubescent squeaks on range, "Anybody need a gunneeeeer????" :rofl
A game that loses it's youths, loses it's future.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: hazmatt on April 11, 2024, 01:41:22 AM
I think my kids would be interested in playing the game but I'm not willing to pay for accounts for each of them and one for me lol. They play WoW all the time but only because it's free to play up to level 20. I do wish there was a way to get more young people playing.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 11, 2024, 04:35:31 AM
Well. As Lusche and others have tried to explain, it was the winter bump.
Happens every year. However over time the highs are never quite as high as the year before, and the lows get lower every year. That has been the trend for over a decade.
The accounts from two months ago are probably still there, they are just starting to go do other stuff like sports and grilling out etc.
They should up for a great event or next Oct. But never as many as the year before.
Maybe retiring former players might bolster that up a bit if some can be lured back, but that has been the yearly trend for over a decade. The average numbers were around 186\night when I had last come back in 2018\2019. There is a seasonal oscillating cycle overlaying a long-term downward trend.
If people want the trend to fundamentally change, well, change requires change. The trend probably won't magically change on its own. That is magical thinking.
It's a pity. Underneath it all, its' still a solid sim, with a solid server tech.
IT’s YOU low life
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 11, 2024, 04:36:23 AM
Ever since master of the air month the MA nightly numbers are barely cracking 100. By 10EST it’s in the 70’s or lower. Yes there has been the occasional 130 or so on FSO nights and a couple weekend nights but I’ve noticed an anecdotal decline the last six weeks or so.
I don’t have any explanation just something i feel I’m seeing. I’m sure someone will swoop in with the stats.
Take a long look at your buddy DipTrips. I WARNED YOU. I TOLD YOU SO.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 11, 2024, 04:39:40 AM
I warned you all about DipTrips, yall sat on your hands for a grifter
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 11, 2024, 04:41:23 AM
Thats what hapoened when you mention another game 1500 times.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 11, 2024, 04:57:38 AM
Lets face say me simple basic facts of life here. DipTrips and his DCS gang attack. He’s a habitual lying grifter who is no better than s crack dealer.. this is NOT. Normal seasonal drop. Ypu people keep listening to someone who takes the food off your table. Thats why he had to make me look bad so you wouldn't listen.
Trips is our problem and it was allowed. Dumbest thing I ever saw in a biz, ever.
We are 40 less than last summer, the seasonal thing is crap, pure crap. You have sn 80 page post about DCS and you actually have the gull to wunder? Can’t imagine why we list so many whike sn 80 page post about DCS by DCS players eho gaven’t played here in many years. You know who did this, stop acting stupud.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 11, 2024, 05:03:24 AM
Lusche numbers do not show a team of DCS grifters sucking players we brought in out the back doior. As long as he is permitted here your game will die faster. And he loves it.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 11, 2024, 05:37:28 AM
What the actual F!
Do the three of you have to ruin every single thread. All this bbs has become is the three of you pissing all over each other. Just leave already.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Bopgun on April 11, 2024, 05:47:30 AM
Drinking and posting is not recommended. MA gameplay gets stale even back when it was populated. all the little events where great but sadly they’re few and far between these days.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 11, 2024, 07:35:31 AM
Not enough people come to the forums for it to make an impact in the game.
I do know one thing that's impacted the MA environment over the last 6 weeks though....
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: noman on April 11, 2024, 08:25:37 AM
Wasn't there one called Tike or something like that? I remember there being 2 squeekers when I was still playing.
One got all worked up about wanting to join Jokers Jokers and the other one would get upset when people weren't defending fields and such.
Both seemed like good kids. I think they were somewhere around 10-13.
Tyke played under his Grandfathers Account. He was in the Sick Puppies Squad. He was a good kid he had the gumption to play and wanted to win. I enjoyed winging with him as he always had the "Let's light the fire and kick the tires" attitude.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 11, 2024, 09:41:12 AM
Yeah, back when you still had squeakers, the school out summer bump would offset the winter bump decline a bit.
When was the last time AH had a squeaker?
I think Nefarious was the last squeaker still here. Was.
I'm younger than Nef :D.
Apparently, there is a player named ceevee that is supposed to be 12.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: fudgums on April 11, 2024, 10:02:53 AM
ceevee vibes fam fr
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 11, 2024, 10:08:25 AM
ceevee is Tykes grandson, he's around 12 years old. Good kid, he fly's with us , Sic Puppies MWK, quite often. He does move around some, Knits Rooks and Bishops. He's pretty good in a tank, real good in bombers, still learning Fighters, although I will confess he's better in a fighter than me lol.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: BigR on April 11, 2024, 10:12:15 AM
Lusche numbers do not show a team of DCS grifters sucking players we brought in out the back doior. As long as he is permitted here your game will die faster. And he loves it.
I think you vastly overestimate the effect the forum has on the game. Hardly anyone reads it on a daily basis except for a core group which isnt very big. This is especially true for newer players. The seasonal effect has always been in play. The sad fact is this game is old, has an old interface, has no active development, and its player base isnt "healthy". By that i mean there are not enough people that are beginners or intermediate players. Pretty much everyone in here would be considered advanced. I know some are way more advanced than others, but for a newb, there pretty much is no difference from their perspective. Most new players are not going to want to stick around after logging into a game with a strange and old interface and then be continually beat down by vets with decades of experience. There are way too many options now days for players, they simply dont stick around long enough to see the true potential of the game.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2024, 12:11:46 PM
Some delusional, toxic, psychotic, drama queen musta got their drunk on again last night.
The downward population trend has been going on since around 2009-2010.
Nothing I say is convincing anyone to go anywhere and all I've said is people out the try DCS' helicopters because that is a level of flightsim fun you can't get in Aces High as a WWII sim.
I really enjoy the feel of DCS' warbirds, but I have consistently said both publicly on this forum and as several here can attest in PM, that DCS is no replacement for AH (currently). WWII is not their focus, they don't have a full plane-set and it just isn't designed for the kind of 24\7 server configuration a AH type arena would need.
Usually when I mention DCS, it is in context of discussing the flightsim market and I am mentioning IL2 1946\GB and WT as well, and I don't even play those. So where exactly am I pulling people and who is it I have such influence over? If people leave this sim, it is their decision based on their needs not something I said. Delusional drunks really need to concentrate on finding medical help and healing their own mental illnesses and addictions.
Lusche can, and has explained the long term downward trend multiple times with multiple graphs. The whys can be debated, but it has been going on years when I am not even around, so find another scape-goat.
Sig line.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2024, 12:12:20 PM
I warned you all about DipTrips, yall sat on your hands for a grifter
Quote to prevent edit.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2024, 12:19:52 PM
Animl is just covering his embarrassment crowing about a seasonal population bump (probably single-handedly due to his efforts), when Lucshe and others tried to explain to him what usually occurs.
Put down the crack pipe.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2024, 12:24:21 PM
Apparently, there is a player named ceevee that is supposed to be 12.
At the time we joked about how annoying they could be (at that age of voice change) but boy I bet they are missed now.
They were the green shoots sign of on-going growth. Now it's just the occasional soft thud of an old geezers head falling on the keyboard as they drop.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: hazmatt on April 11, 2024, 12:28:39 PM
I think you vastly overestimate the effect the forum has on the game. Hardly anyone reads it on a daily basis except for a core group which isnt very big. This is especially true for newer players. The seasonal effect has always been in play. The sad fact is this game is old, has an old interface, has no active development, and its player base isnt "healthy". By that i mean there are not enough people that are beginners or intermediate players. Pretty much everyone in here would be considered advanced. I know some are way more advanced than others, but for a newb, there pretty much is no difference from their perspective. Most new players are not going to want to stick around after logging into a game with a strange and old interface and then be continually beat down by vets with decades of experience. There are way too many options now days for players, they simply dont stick around long enough to see the true potential of the game.
I agree. Too bad there's not enough noobs to have a small EW, MW type arena for them to cut their teeth in.
Do you still play BigR? Didn't recall seeing you for quite a while when I was still active.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2024, 12:30:08 PM
Do the three of you have to ruin every single thread. All this bbs has become is the three of you pissing all over each other. Just leave already.
Really?
How did I ruin the thread trying to answer your question and pointing out this is the normal seasonal oscillation that has been explained before?
What exactly was my offense in this post? Can you explain? https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,409186.msg5421241.html#msg5421241 (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,409186.msg5421241.html#msg5421241)
Lusche probably has his explanation stored on a macro. Along with the one trying to explain how locally calculated hit and collisions are evaluated. Saves re-typing. :rofl
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: hazmatt on April 11, 2024, 12:44:39 PM
Take a long look at your buddy DipTrips. I WARNED YOU. I TOLD YOU SO.
I just wonder, how many interested, possible new players look around at forum and skip it because of this kind of drunk and aggressive rants. They may easily think the game is full of this kind of ravings, insults flying back and forth, people genuinely hating each others. Everyone sane would skip trying AH and go somewhere else. And this is from a person, who says it's better to write nothing, if not having anything positive to give. Maybe our understanding of positivity is a bit different.
Animl, I have read what kind of hell you've come through during last few years and I fully understand what kind of effect it has in human mind. Please, vent your rage somewhere else, close the bottle and/or put the joint away and speak with some professional. This is combat sim forum.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RichardDarkwood on April 11, 2024, 03:17:55 PM
Animl, I have read what kind of hell you've come through during last few years and I fully understand what kind of effect it has in human mind. Please, vent your rage somewhere else, close the bottle and/or put the joint away and speak with some professional. This is combat sim forum.
Word
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: waystin2 on April 11, 2024, 03:19:20 PM
AH is trending downward. This is unfortunate and not wished for. AH fell behind in graphics and development and the audience for the genre has shrunk. Those issues have and will destroy games.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Kermit de frog on April 11, 2024, 04:55:04 PM
I just wonder, how many interested, possible new players look around at forum and skip it because of this kind of drunk and aggressive rants. They may easily think the game is full of this kind of ravings, insults flying back and forth, people genuinely hating each others. Everyone sane would skip trying AH and go somewhere else. And this is from a person, who says it's better to write nothing, if not having anything positive to give. Maybe our understanding of positivity is a bit different.
Animl, I have read what kind of hell you've come through during last few years and I fully understand what kind of effect it has in human mind. Please, vent your rage somewhere else, close the bottle and/or put the joint away and speak with some professional. This is combat sim forum.
I think you're trying to say the right thing. I also think you're going after the reaction, instead of the multiple sources easily seen in this very thread.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: AKIron on April 11, 2024, 05:02:46 PM
I see only one person spewing vitriolic hyperbole in this thread. Is it just to blame someone who provokes that simply by their presence? I think not.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Meatwad on April 11, 2024, 06:02:21 PM
The graphics are just fine. Its partly the ADHD call of duty instant action crowd that if you cant find a fight in 10 seconds then its too slow. Then you have the PS5/xbox crowd that if you cant play the game on a video game system, they dont even become remotely insterested in trying it. The days of PC gaming is slowly changing over to console gaming
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 11, 2024, 06:05:30 PM
I'm still trying to figure out who the 3rd person is.
You
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 11, 2024, 06:10:36 PM
I fully get the seasonal peaks and valleys but I was holding out hope for a less steady drop. When I came back almost two years ago the numbers weren’t much higher but were holding at 120 in the MA. It would seem this years decline has started. I’m still going to play of course but probably not as much.
Like many I have been putting in about 3-4 hours a night every night for a while now. Might be time to take some of that time for other pursuits.
I wonder if we hit the cliff already and next years winter bump only gets us to 100 a night if we are lucky. I wonder what the magic number is for subs that would be cause to shut it off for good.
I wonder…
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: TryHard on April 11, 2024, 06:19:52 PM
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Meatwad on April 11, 2024, 06:21:01 PM
As more people pass away and less people to fill their spot, numbers will drop. Eventually people will quit out of boredom when they have no people to play with. Then its a downward spiral until the game is shut off. I have my sub, but havent hardly had time to play. But then again it doesnt help when maps are super sized for 800 players online and not 80. Need a lot smaller maps to concentrate gameplay. The massive maps need taken out of rotation but nobody wants to adjust the game for the current numbers, just continue to live outside of reality until the walls crash down
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 11, 2024, 06:58:12 PM
I fully get the seasonal peaks and valleys but I was holding out hope for a less steady drop. When I came back almost two years ago the numbers weren’t much higher but were holding at 120 in the MA. It would seem this years decline has started. I’m still going to play of course but probably not as much.
Like many I have been putting in about 3-4 hours a night every night for a while now. Might be time to take some of that time for other pursuits.
I wonder if we hit the cliff already and next years winter bump only gets us to 100 a night if we are lucky. I wonder what the magic number is for subs that would be cause to shut it off for good.
I wonder…
For you personally, I'd think the only question is, are you having fun? If you are having fun at 40 players, then you are having fun at 40 players. A lot of that is a function of map and gameplay design.
People laugh at an IL2 or DCS server with 80 players, but the server is optimized for that number to keep it fun. Size and scaling, 2 sides vs 3.
A 64 player Battlefield 4 server is a rocking mad house of activity and action.
The question of player count is more toward what can keep the company viable and produce enough revenue to fund development and maintain a team. The hardware is already a sunk cost. The fixed costs of electricity and bandwidth are probably not that big. The completely shut it off number is probably pretty small.
Scenarios are probably effected. A 20 player Battle of Britain Scenario is probably a challenge to create a compelling experience.
If you as a player are having $15 of fun at 40 players in the Melee, then let the good times roll.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Bopgun on April 11, 2024, 07:16:03 PM
The graphics are just fine. Its partly the ADHD call of duty instant action crowd that if you cant find a fight in 10 seconds then its too slow. Then you have the PS5/xbox crowd that if you cant play the game on a video game system, they dont even become remotely insterested in trying it. The days of PC gaming is slowly changing over to console gaming
People were saying that in posts back in early 2000. Not really an excuse for bad gameplay
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CAV on April 11, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
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I just wonder, how many interested, possible new players look around at forum and skip it because of this kind of drunk and aggressive rants. They may easily think the game is full of this kind of ravings, insults flying back and forth, people genuinely hating each others. Everyone sane would skip trying AH and go somewhere else.
I read the IL-2 & WW2OL weekly....... I find it very refreshing, why? they are talking about planes, tanks and WW2 I never see anything remotely like the crap I got to Wade through in here.
CAV
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Baloo on April 11, 2024, 08:53:49 PM
I love this game. I love this community, which is also what is keeping this game alive...and will keep the game alive. Enough said :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 11, 2024, 11:01:21 PM
This post is probably unwanted, but I'll say what anyone outside looking in can see very easily.
The average player in the MA flies like this: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404990.0;attach=37387 (the guy had the audacity to tell me not to run after I killed him for running 4 grids). This isn't a unique situation; I have HOURS of film of this player running almost every time it's 1v1, then re-engaging literally the moment I disengage or their wingmen arrive.
I ran into two more players just like this one tonight while I was streaming. One's played for almost 2 decades and constantly posts how they love the game and can't understand why people are leaving: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404990.0;attach=37386
These aren't the only two; I stream often and can list off tens of players that exhibit this exact same behavior. And these same players come to the forums and write massive posts about how much they care for the game and don't understand why people leave.
No one cares what players say; it's what they do. This pitiful, pathetic style of "I'll readily engage and kill other players when they're distracted and/or have no chance, but I'll run the moment it's 1v1 or otherwise fair, because I couldn't be bothered to learn any skill myself" is what has driven players away. No one who comes to a game looking for action wants to deal with such wallflower behavior. If it annoys me and requires my attention and focus (as someone who is arguably at least "average" in terms of skill and has invested time into the game), then imagine what new players and those on the bottom half of the skill curve have to deal with, especially if they have no time investment or bias for the game.
Don't get me wrong - I still kill these players routinely, but it requires actually persevering and using their own cowardice and predictability against them. But the average lesser-skilled or new player? They're just going to give up. It's stupid and a waste of time for them to try to fight players who can't hold their own and will run at the first sight of danger. Of course they're going to leave and go to some other game where they can get guaranteed action - I know I would.
It's not a "few" bad apples that have killed the gameplay (statistically speaking, that would be highly improbable); the average player's behavior here has killed the gameplay.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: hazmatt on April 12, 2024, 12:28:43 AM
For you personally, I'd think the only question is, are you having fun? If you are having fun at 40 players, then you are having fun at 40 players. A lot of that is a function of map and gameplay design. People laugh at an IL2 or DCS server with 80 players, but the server is optimized for that number to keep it fun. Size and scaling, 2 sides vs 3.
I agree with this. With the very small maps on the normal server it's a massive furball if you get 20+ players with the air spawns so close together. Even with 4 players you get 2vs2 fights.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: hazmatt on April 12, 2024, 12:42:56 AM
I read the IL-2 & WW2OL weekly....... I find it very refreshing, why? they are talking about planes, tanks and WW2 I never see anything remotely like the crap I got to Wade through in here.
CAV
LOL. I think those are boring because of exactly that. When you log on here, you have no idea of what you're going to run into lolz.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: hazmatt on April 12, 2024, 12:56:06 AM
This post is probably unwanted, but I'll say what anyone outside looking in can see very easily.
The average player in the MA flies like this: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404990.0;attach=37387 (the guy had the audacity to tell me not to run after I killed him for running 4 grids). This isn't a unique situation; I have HOURS of film of this player running almost every time it's 1v1, then re-engaging literally the moment I disengage or their wingmen arrive.
I ran into two more players just like this one tonight while I was streaming. One's played for almost 2 decades and constantly posts how they love the game and can't understand why people are leaving: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404990.0;attach=37386
These aren't the only two; I stream often and can list off tens of players that exhibit this exact same behavior. And these same players come to the forums and write massive posts about how much they care for the game and don't understand why people leave.
No one cares what players say; it's what they do. This pitiful, pathetic style of "I'll readily engage and kill other players when they're distracted and/or have no chance, but I'll run the moment it's 1v1 or otherwise fair, because I couldn't be bothered to learn any skill myself" is what has driven players away. No one who comes to a game looking for action wants to deal with such wallflower behavior. If it annoys me and requires my attention and focus (as someone who is arguably at least "average" in terms of skill and has invested time into the game), then imagine what new players and those on the bottom half of the skill curve have to deal with, especially if they have no time investment or bias for the game.
Of course they're going to leave and go to some other game where they can get guaranteed action - I know I would.
It's not a "few" bad apples that have killed the gameplay (statistically speaking, that would be highly improbable); the average player's behavior here has killed the gameplay.
I completely agree with the comments on how the game play has changed. I don't know about the specifics as I didn't watch the films. Don't think there's a Linux based film player.
When I left it seemed that some of the squads with the biggest numbers would fly together at super high alts and only pick fights when it when they had the alt and the numbers and would run as soon as the numbers got close to fair.
I think that coupled with large maps with small numbers makes it seem that the players that are left are few and far between.
I always enjoyed flying midwar type planes at around 10k alt. Seemed that as always a good place to find a fight. When the "pickerin" started I found that if I dove from 10k to the deck that the guy that was bouncing me was usually too scared to come down to the deck if there was a 2nd threat showing in the adjacent sector.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: GasTeddy on April 12, 2024, 02:37:08 AM
I think you're trying to say the right thing. I also think you're going after the reaction, instead of the multiple sources easily seen in this very thread.
Which ones are creating hostile atmosphere? Those who write something not aggressive or insulting but someone else does not like it, or those who react like just sat on an anthill without pants, groins lubricated with honey?
I read the IL-2 & WW2OL weekly....... I find it very refreshing, why? they are talking about planes, tanks and WW2 I never see anything remotely like the crap I got to Wade through in here.
CAV
Me too. Some topics there, like "Pets of the flying community" or "Faces of the flying community" would never make it longer than few posts in here. And we certainly know why.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Spikes on April 12, 2024, 07:24:57 AM
It's not a "few" bad apples that have killed the gameplay (statistically speaking, that would be highly improbable); the average player's behavior here has killed the gameplay.
I disagree. I think the ratio of total players:players who are just here for the dogfight (a mouthful, but we'll call it that) is more or less the same as it was 5, 10, 15 years ago. The issue is with the lower numbers, it is much more apparent.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 12, 2024, 01:02:58 PM
While I’m not a fighter pilot by any stretch of the imagination, this game based on many comments, is the best overall Air Combat Sim around. I am confused.
Reading up on some of the Combat reports from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, it appears that in real life, when the opponent has lost the advantage, retreat is SOP. That being the case, why is everyone getting so bent out of shape when an opponent runs? I mean generally speaking, running to stay alive seems logical.
This of course ignores the "smack talk" side of the issue.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Tumor on April 12, 2024, 01:08:58 PM
While I’m not a fighter pilot by any stretch of the imagination, this game based on many comments, is the best overall Air Combat Sim around. I am confused.
Reading up on some of the Combat reports from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, it appears that in real life, when the opponent has lost the advantage, retreat is SOP. That being the case, why is everyone getting so bent out of shape when an opponent runs? I mean generally speaking, running to stay alive seems logical.
This of course ignores the "smack talk" side of the issue.
It's because AH is first & foremost a Game. Games & Gamers... absolutely nothing surprising if you look at it from this angle. There's just enough regarding strategy & tactics to allow one to work at feeling good about contributing to the war effort, if that's your thing. There's a lot of room for personal jousting to make one feel good about themselves, if that's your thing. Nothing wrong with any of it. It is what it is. The only real drag is people who try, sometimes for years, to force others into their own style of fun (and of course, those who abuse all of it because, well... there's just something wrong with them). :bolt:
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LCADolby on April 12, 2024, 01:18:19 PM
It's official, Skyyr has finally hit his prime. Now entering the stage where I was when I used to complain about him running away from me all those many moons ago. Enjoy it my guy, you'll want to fight everything, and nothing will want to fight you. The frustration you feel I completely understand, you'll soon be; going no higher than 12k, flying outdated aircraft, putting the enemy on your 6 to get them to engage and wasting your time shouting into the 200 void trying to get some dweebs to stand and fight. :cheers:
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: GasTeddy on April 12, 2024, 02:20:01 PM
It's official, Skyyr has finally hit his prime. Now entering the stage where I was when I used to complain about him running away from me all those many moons ago. Enjoy it my guy, you'll want to fight everything, and nothing will want to fight you. The frustration you feel I completely understand, you'll soon be; going no higher than 12k, flying outdated aircraft, putting the enemy on your 6 to get them to engage and wasting your time shouting into the 200 void trying to get some dweebs to stand and fight. :cheers:
LOL! I Was thinking the same thing. If I had a nickel every time Skyyr and Judge ran from me throughout the years, I’d probably have a couple months worth of free subscriptions.
Still…he’s not wrong. I’ve had entire squads (I can think of two currently) run from be because I came with a little alt after taking a dump and grabbing a beer. Pretty funny/sad to watch 4-5 planes turn and dive away almost in unison for one little red icon.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 12, 2024, 03:20:21 PM
Many take the game way too serious imo
That is why any pilot worth a crap should not be in late war planes in ma
Should be embarrassing for them to have to feed their egos at the expense of the newbie that needs to be in a spit16 or d9..
The game could be so much better if egos were left outside it..
Eagler
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: GasTeddy on April 12, 2024, 03:29:05 PM
That is why any pilot worth a crap should not be in late war planes in ma
Should be embarrassing for them to have to feed their egos at the expense of the newbie that needs to be in a spit16 or d9..
The game could be so much better if egos were left outside it..
Eagler
If you don't need a late war plane, you aren't challenging yourself enough.
A D9 vs 5 opponents is harder than a midwar 1v1.
My 600 kills in a A5 were easier than 100 kills in a K4.
If you think someone flying a late war plane is because they "need" one, then you likely aren't experienced enough to have an opinion on said matter. I don't fly late war planes because I "need" one, I fly them to run down runners and prevent ganging.
At the moment, I have more kills in midwar planes than any other squad has in their entirety in all planes, so my comment is coming purely from experience.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Lusche on April 12, 2024, 04:53:52 PM
As others have already noted, the seasonal downswing was to be expected and, as far as I can see, is not really much different from the years before. What's ridiculous is the thought that two or three guys just naming a different game on the forums (which most AH players hardly ever look at) has caused all that player loss. As if the downward trend doesn't go on since 2009. If anything, all that pilot drama here and on CH200 has probably a bigger impact, though it's certainly not "that one factor" that 'ruined' AH.
Now something I found interesting. Last week I was tracking arena numbers for the MA (which I had not done in a loong time):
(https://i.imgur.com/mx3uTP0.png)
Note that this is my local time zone, central european summer time, 19:00 to 24:00 would kinda be my prime time, though I used to play basically all over daytime as my schedule permitted. But I digress.
Now I felt like the increase during Euro primetime used to be much bigger, so I tried to find some old data for comparison:
(https://i.imgur.com/g3YZepJ.png) (We still had LWB and LWO in 2010, graph shows both arenas combined)
And now both curves set to 100% at 13:00 hours for better comparison of relative growth:
(https://i.imgur.com/t8rFRZL.png)
Now, if this ain't just a singular oddity (which it doesn't seem to me), one would wonder why the Euro primetime boost of the past isn't there anymore. Did AH lose Euro players at a much bigger rate? Or does arena attendance generally shifts more towards concentration at US prime even among US players, as the numbers at non-peak times are percieved as "too low to have fun?" At this point, I can just speculate...
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 12, 2024, 04:55:19 PM
While I’m not a fighter pilot by any stretch of the imagination, this game based on many comments, is the best overall Air Combat Sim around. I am confused.
Reading up on some of the Combat reports from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, it appears that in real life, when the opponent has lost the advantage, retreat is SOP. That being the case, why is everyone getting so bent out of shape when an opponent runs? I mean generally speaking, running to stay alive seems logical.
This of course ignores the "smack talk" side of the issue.
I agree to a point, and that point is that it is a game that was intended to cater to all sorts of furballs, duels, defensive and offensive tactics oriented players, which does include retreat if necessary. I grow weary of the "You should play the game my way or you suck.." crowd. My gosh.. the day these players pay ME real money to play their way is when I might start caring about a decades-old cartoon world. :rolleyes:
The way I've played my $15 for years is pretty much tactical offense and retreat (if necessary) as a long-time B17 nut myself. Even what little I do in fighters is tactical engagement, but I've sucked at it as of late. It takes a talent that, as I've gotten older over the past 20 years, and have long periods of being away from the game, I've kind of lost it.
I try my best to get my bombers or the mission to target. My two main goals are to reach the target AND/OR keep my flight or the group mission as intact as possible throughout. Oh, yes, I/we have been shredded to pieces a lot by the opposition.
Along with it comes the fight to get there, and the fight to get out of there. Lots of memorable battles, as bomber/escort missions have many times been a magnet for fighter on bomber, and fighter on fighter action.
Anyway, just wanted to dump my two heavily taxed cents.
EGG
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Dadtallica on April 12, 2024, 06:57:21 PM
As others have already noted, the seasonal downswing was to be expected and, as far as I can see, is not really much different from the years before. What's ridiculous is the thought that two or three guys just naming a different game on the forums (which most AH players hardly ever look at) has caused all that player loss. As if the downward trend doesn't go on since 2009. If anything, all that pilot drama here and on CH200 has probably a bigger impact, though it's certainly not "that one factor" that 'ruined' AH.
Now something I found interesting. Last week I was tracking arena numbers for the MA (which I had not done in a loong time):
(https://i.imgur.com/mx3uTP0.png)
Note that this is my local time zone, central european summer time, 19:00 to 24:00 would kinda be my prime time, though I used to play basically all over daytime as my schedule permitted. But I digress.
Now I felt like the increase during Euro primetime used to be much bigger, so I tried to find some old data for comparison:
(https://i.imgur.com/g3YZepJ.png) (We still had LWB and LWO in 2010, graph shows both arenas combined)
And now both curves set to 100% at 13:00 hours for better comparison of relative growth:
(https://i.imgur.com/t8rFRZL.png)
Now, if this ain't just a singular oddity (which it doesn't seem to me), one would wonder why the Euro primetime boost of the past isn't there anymore. Did AH lose Euro players at a much bigger rate? Or does arena attendance generally shifts more towards concentration at US prime even among US players, as the numbers at non-peak times are percieved as "too low to have fun?" At this point, I can just speculate...
Thank you Lusche I figured you would come with the receipts. I hours irs nice to see it’s still steady but something just feels off to me. Hoping it’s just the time of year. I will be gone too for 12 days soon for a vacation.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2024, 08:21:09 AM
Hey sky
How about stopping the gaming the game by stop the engine kill at the top of your loops?
You still need to do that with all your greatness?
Thanks for the fights last night
How come I can't <S> you in game? How are you spelled there?
Eagler
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Bopgun on April 13, 2024, 09:02:11 AM
As others have already noted, the seasonal downswing was to be expected and, as far as I can see, is not really much different from the years before. What's ridiculous is the thought that two or three guys just naming a different game on the forums (which most AH players hardly ever look at) has caused all that player loss. As if the downward trend doesn't go on since 2009. If anything, all that pilot drama here and on CH200 has probably a bigger impact, though it's certainly not "that one factor" that 'ruined' AH.
Excuse my ignorance, but isn't a lot of the Euro zone going through a steeper economic contraction now than the US? Canary in the coal mine? I still don't buy soft landing. Our piper has yet to be paid.
2008 GFC definitely had an effect on US numbers. I don't care how much people say $15\mo don't matter, but when everything in the budget is having to get trimmed it is hard having to explain to Momma why you are spending a Netflix account amount each month on a 25 year old video game.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 13, 2024, 11:52:26 AM
He should put himself in a plane that does challenge him in ma like a spit1 but his ego won't allow it
Eagler
See, the problem with that is instead of challenging himself, all he would be doing is chasing other players in LW planes. There's no challenge. Like he already said, it's more of a challenge flying an La7 multiple v 1 (which is does a lot) than flying a Spit 1 spending all his time using defensive maneuvers and chasing down those that he reverses. That is the major flaw in your idea with everyone flying MW or EW planes. If you take all the LW planes out of the arena, there are still going to be players that fly the fastest, most maneuverable MW planes that consistently run away from fights. It's just the nature of the beast and what is inherently wrong with a majority of the players left in this game.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2024, 12:26:25 PM
I see him in a crowd or higher than you most of the time
Seems I have become his latest shiny object..see his yt vid from last night
How about stopping the gaming the game by stop the engine kill at the top of your loops?
You still need to do that with all your greatness?
Didn't you hear? Cutting your engine does nothing. Probably just a dumb placebo maneuver that does nothing. That's what everyone says. Ergo I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: AKIron on April 13, 2024, 12:37:23 PM
A game of fun with friends can be fun for a long time. A game of I'm the best not so much.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 13, 2024, 12:41:48 PM
Sky..let your groupies know I have not been in a k4 this entire month..
The K4 reference is to the last fight we had at the end of last tour. You were in a K4, so I jumped in a K4, and you proceeded to try to gang me with Lazer and 3 other players. I have the film if you'd like it. I killed you then I chased down Lazer over his base ack 6 minutes later.
In regards to your altitude comment, you're very oblivious and lack SA. See, most of the time I'm co-alt or lower than most. In your case, you yourself are usually in the middle of several wingmen or near your own base ack (as was the case most of last night). That alone necessitates having altitude to avoid getting jumped by your wingman or to allow myself to fly over your base ack.
Just like the time I was in an LA and had you shot to hell in a K4. I hit you and extended away, but then decided to be sporting to give you a chance and turn back in, instead of simply letting your engine run out and die. What did you do? You turned into a wingman (one of the JG11 guys) and then proceeded to 2v1 me, after I voluntarily opted to fight you.
If you actually flew solo (as in, completely alone and without any friendlies near you on a regular basis), you'd realize this. You don't, therefore you're unaware as to why such events occur.
And if you ever listened to audio of when I or my squad is flying, you'd know we don't take the game seriously whatsoever. Most of time is spent laughing. In fact, I literally upped a Spit 1 to kill you during my last sortie, but you logged.
And as always, if you think my advantages are coming from alt or plane choice, we can always go to the DA 1v1.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: CptTrips on April 13, 2024, 12:51:28 PM
I have actually enjoyed watching his stream on YT on occasion.
His flying is smart and his aim is golf-clap worthy. I keep saying to myself, "No way he is going to make that shot." Then pieces fly.
I guess you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
I think he should fly the plane he wants, how he wants. If he wants to shut his engine down mid-flight that is his choice. He is only flying the FM HT provided. If there is something wrong with that FM, go take it up with HT.
I would also extend that same courtesy to Eagler.
Heh. He reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Fonck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Fonck) who also used to piss people off. :rofl
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: The Fugitive on April 13, 2024, 12:58:47 PM
See, the problem with that is instead of challenging himself, all he would be doing is chasing other players in LW planes. There's no challenge. Like he already said, it's more of a challenge flying an La7 multiple v 1 (which is does a lot) than flying a Spit 1 spending all his time using defensive maneuvers and chasing down those that he reverses. That is the major flaw in your idea with everyone flying MW or EW planes. If you take all the LW planes out of the arena, there are still going to be players that fly the fastest, most maneuverable MW planes that consistently run away from fights. It's just the nature of the beast and what is inherently wrong with a majority of the players left in this game.
I dont know, ZE seems to have lots a fights and kills in his Brewster. I have never seen him chase anyone down.... well he cant can he :)
Nobody is saying remove the late war monsters. Let the below average players have the better machines. The idea could work if those players at the top of the food chain stayed out of them. They dont HAVE to chase players, eventually they will come to them, much like they do to ZE. The biggest problem would be to figure out whos the guys that should stay out of the late war planes. There is no way to setup the game to pick it, its open to too much sandbagging to "adjust" the results. So that leaves just a player choosing to do it. Eagler has chosen to do it for this month and only has kills showing in the G2 and the FM2. Some of these other guys, not so much. We are playing a game and the point is to win for some players, period.
I think it would be a fun experiment if it could be done, but alas..... this is AH and not much gets done.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LilMak on April 13, 2024, 02:09:42 PM
If you don't need a late war plane, you aren't challenging yourself enough.
A D9 vs 5 opponents is harder than a midwar 1v1.
My 600 kills in a A5 were easier than 100 kills in a K4.
If you think someone flying a late war plane is because they "need" one, then you likely aren't experienced enough to have an opinion on said matter. I don't fly late war planes because I "need" one, I fly them to run down runners and prevent ganging.
At the moment, I have more kills in midwar planes than any other squad has in their entirety in all planes, so my comment is coming purely from experience.
Some of us are here for fights/fun. You’re here for kills. There’s a fundamental difference in ego and it manifests itself in game play. Nothing really wrong with flying two week planes if you need kills and are out for retribution for the noob that had the audacity to bounce you in a 5 on 1. A large part of the old guard don’t need a late war monsters because we’ve graduated past the need to slap others down years ago. Maybe you’ll get to that point one day.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 13, 2024, 02:19:08 PM
Some of us are here for fights/fun. You’re here for kills. There’s a fundamental difference in ego and it manifests itself in game play. Nothing really wrong with flying two week planes if you need kills and are out for retribution for the noob that had the audacity to bounce you in a 5 on 1. A large part of the old guard don’t need a late war monsters because we’ve graduated past the need to slap others down years ago. Maybe you’ll get to that point one day.
My main plane this tour is a 190A-5 with over 700 kills. Your primary plane is a P-47D-25, a Late War plane.
Shush sir.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LilMak on April 13, 2024, 05:41:19 PM
Nice to see you learning the virtues of more challenging planes though. One day you might fully mature. I’m not gonna hold my breath though.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2024, 05:52:05 PM
Sky I don't use wingman .. I communicate only with a check six or a salute
I remember when somehow you singled me out if 3 or 4 109k4s...went right past the others to kill me again...
Amazing I thought at the time how you knew which one was me..
The other day you ran to ack in ur a5 when I had the advantage and turned around after I had turned and engaged another ..and of course you then got another pick
We all do what you try to downplay others for doing...even you the Great Santini Skyyr..
Eagler
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 13, 2024, 06:19:31 PM
Nice to see you learning the virtues of more challenging planes though. One day you might fully mature. I’m not gonna hold my breath though.
I also have more kills in an LA7 than you have either sorties or kills in total. It's irrelevant though as you're trying to make a red herring to diffuse the fact you are flying late war planes and I'm not (relatively speaking), which makes your entire point meaningless. In fact, it backfired.
You're just fidgeting to try to find another angle, now that you've lost all credibility from a plane-choice perspective.
Better luck next time.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 13, 2024, 06:29:52 PM
Sky I don't use wingman .. I communicate only with a check six or a salute
I remember when somehow you singled me out if 3 or 4 109k4s...went right past the others to kill me again...
Amazing I thought at the time how you knew which one was me..
The other day you ran to ack in ur a5 when I had the advantage and turned around after I had turned and engaged another ..and of course you then got another pick
We all do what you try to downplay others for doing...even you the Great Santini Skyyr..
Eagler
As usual, you're oblivious to your surroundings. I didn't "lose the advantage," I had killed you multiple times and then had finished engaging another and had much less altitude and E in an inferior plane when you approached. I had enough positioning for 1 pass but not much else. An A5 is inferior to the 109s in most 1v1 scenarios, except when you can merge close to co-E.
A pilot familiar with tactics would recognize this; you however don't, and so you confuse trying to set a fight on equal footing as "running from a disadvantage." I'm already at a disadvantage, fighting you and others, in an inferior plane, slow and low. How much of a disadvangage do you expect me to accept? At this point, a comment like that is laughably hilarious.
You're welcome to set up the same fight situation and trade places and planes and I guaranteed you, the scenario would be completely one-sided in my favor.
This is why I commonly throw out DA challenges, to remove any and every doubt in your mind that its not a disadvantage I'm avoiding, it's scenarios that make no logical sense. Notice I had no issue fighting you when you were higher and faster when I switched to an LA-5 the next sortie. Every plane has limits, you fly within those
And I knew it was you in the K4 because of your target fixation.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: The Fugitive on April 13, 2024, 06:41:20 PM
I also have more kills in an LA7 than you have either sorties or kills in total. It's irrelevant though as you're trying to make a red herring to diffuse the fact you are flying late war planes and I'm not (relatively speaking), which makes your entire point meaningless. In fact, it backfired.
You're just fidgeting to try to find another angle, now that you've lost all credibility from a plane-choice perspective.
Better luck next time.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOKOLOL! A banned cheater talking about “credibility”. Tell me more…
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: nopoop on April 13, 2024, 07:06:23 PM
God I miss Drex and tbe rest of the great sticks with class.
Im thankful for the few we still have..
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2024, 07:37:09 PM
I thought the D25 was a mid war plane?
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 13, 2024, 08:55:14 PM
As others have already noted, the seasonal downswing was to be expected and, as far as I can see, is not really much different from the years before. What's ridiculous is the thought that two or three guys just naming a different game on the forums (which most AH players hardly ever look at) has caused all that player loss. As if the downward trend doesn't go on since 2009. If anything, all that pilot drama here and on CH200 has probably a bigger impact, though it's certainly not "that one factor" that 'ruined' AH.
Now something I found interesting. Last week I was tracking arena numbers for the MA (which I had not done in a loong time):
(https://i.imgur.com/mx3uTP0.png)
Note that this is my local time zone, central european summer time, 19:00 to 24:00 would kinda be my prime time, though I used to play basically all over daytime as my schedule permitted. But I digress.
Now I felt like the increase during Euro primetime used to be much bigger, so I tried to find some old data for comparison:
(https://i.imgur.com/g3YZepJ.png) (We still had LWB and LWO in 2010, graph shows both arenas combined)
And now both curves set to 100% at 13:00 hours for better comparison of relative growth:
(https://i.imgur.com/t8rFRZL.png)
Now, if this ain't just a singular oddity (which it doesn't seem to me), one would wonder why the Euro primetime boost of the past isn't there anymore. Did AH lose Euro players at a much bigger rate? Or does arena attendance generally shifts more towards concentration at US prime even among US players, as the numbers at non-peak times are percieved as "too low to have fun?" At this point, I can just speculate...
Lets face some simple basic facts of life here. What they do DOES hurt our numbers. Both can be and ARE true. Its not rocket science, it’s common logic, NO ONE in marketing would deny. They keep doing it because it has results.
That said, towel thrown in. No fool in their right mind would waste ANY time out of their life fighting the owner for cooperation who allows this to continue. It’s insanity and would make ANYONE with marketing experience vomit on themselves. Its allowed and therefore its done and it DOES have an effect. Its biz suicide,… which makes me think. Numbers and revenue stream are not welcome.
This was 100% waste of my time. I can buy a happy meal. Phone off. Denial is a hellava drug.
I have one video to finish and not another finger will be lifted. Can’t wait for the tweaks I won’t notice. No one screws me twice.
DONE
Mark it on a calendar, tattoo it on your forehead.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LilMak on April 13, 2024, 09:55:22 PM
And you're welcome to go to the DA and see if I need to "pick" you lol
There it is again. You keep challenging me to DA. A decade ago I would’ve accepted. But I’ve outgrown you and all the people like you. Maybe, in ten years, you’ll catch up. But seeing as how this game won’t last that long, you won’t catch up. Makes me almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 13, 2024, 10:29:21 PM
There it is again. You keep challenging me to DA. A decade ago I would’ve accepted. But I’ve outgrown you and all the people like you. Maybe, in ten years, you’ll catch up. But seeing as how this game won’t last that long, you won’t catch up. Makes me almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
I’m very grateful there are others like you LilMak :pray, it allows him to branch out and have obsessions away from just me. It’s so creepy that I’m installing more cameras on property. :uhoh
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 13, 2024, 10:33:42 PM
It’s probably against YouTube TOS to livestream harassment and stalking, I’d fathom it’s aggravated by the unawares of the stated individual being targeted. 🤔
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Animl-AW on April 13, 2024, 10:38:02 PM
There it is again. You keep challenging me to DA. A decade ago I would’ve accepted. But I’ve outgrown you and all the people like you. Maybe, in ten years, you’ll catch up. But seeing as how this game won’t last that long, you won’t catch up. Makes me almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
DA is boxing, if ya can’t street fight you’re just a poser. 2cents
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LilMak on April 13, 2024, 10:46:00 PM
I’m very grateful there are others like you LilMak :pray, it allows him to branch out and have obsessions away from just me. It’s so creepy that I’m installing more cameras on property. :uhoh
Neither you or I are his first or even second obsession. We’re way down that near the bottom of that list. He was obsessed years ago and got banned for it. Now it appears HT thinks $15 bucks (plus his shades) is worth more than integrity?
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 13, 2024, 11:32:43 PM
Neither you or I are his first or even second obsession. We’re way down that near the bottom of that list. He was obsessed years ago and got banned for it. Now it appears HT thinks $15 bucks (plus his shades) is worth more than integrity?
I can remember the Muppet obsession he had/has, but none are here anymore. And after one of his “viewers” confided in me the other night about how long he talks about me live-streaming (more than once) I’m not so sure. I hope you’re right. 😬
He made some bizarre claims today about my personal life… :headscratch:
It’s strange that as he says, I “suck so bad” that he spends so much thought and energy on me. I’ve never claimed to be a good stik here in AH3, lol rather I’ve barely been out of GV’n 80% of the time for a year and then some.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LCADolby on April 14, 2024, 04:53:56 AM
In your short run with JG5 Rot, I thought you were a good stick. :old: Certainly better than most, but you need to get out of that P51 dweebery and back in German Iron :p
:salute
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2024, 08:28:39 AM
I don't care but but you don't have to lie about it..
Just like your dead eng trick..we all know you do it and why
Eagler
Soon as I get kill this guy is switching to the team I'm fighting and generally defending my field against so he can come in going 450 mph and engage only me no matter what I'm flying somehow until he gets picked overshooting. I notice he doesn't get a kill on anyone or lose any E on anyone until he engages me first. He don't go for anyone else and hes giving up all SA just to "get the kill" on me.Then I go to the other side to defend a field and he switches to come try to engage me over there. He claims it's for the fights, but the knights were being double teamed and he doesn't switch to my team to help of course, just trying to get easy defensive picks on me while I'm trying to defend against Jabo over my own field then wants to claim I'm "running" when he's flying the fastest plane in the game and engaging me with E advantage coming right towards me before anyone else over my own field. Crap is getting very old and I think hitech is kidding himself allowing this nonsense to destroy the integrity of the MA with clear targeting of players and abuse of side switch to target me and other players.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 14, 2024, 11:20:17 AM
It is a gamey as it gets imo as air starts weren't happening in a2a ever..
Doubt you would be doing it if it didn't help you
I am online from 8pm to 9pm eastern, if I logged on you it was because it was 9pm...not that you were trying to hunt me down again..
See you and your groupies tonight..same bat time same bat channel
Eagler
Ah. So thus far, we have the following assertions:
"Skyyr couldn't get so many kills if he didn't fly late war planes."
"Well, ok, so Skyyr can fly mid war planes just fine too, but he wont fight from a disadvantage in an already-disasdvantaged plane."
"Well, ok, so he fights from a disadvantage, but he won't fight from an extreme disadvantage after dispatching 3 guys in a 1v1 followed by a 1v2 in a midwar plane."
"Well, ok, so he'll fight from a disadvantage in a midwar plane, but he uses gamey tactics."
"ok, so the tactics he uses are tactics anyone can do and aren't unfair and I can't even explain or understand what they do, but I'm going to complain anyway."
Hmmm... I think I'm seeing a pattern here.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Eagler on April 14, 2024, 12:06:33 PM
Hey sky..the world isn't all about you .. nor is this game sorry
I want all decent sticks in crappy planes to help the newbie stick around more than 5 minutes..but egos prevent that
Some just want their next kill in the game they seem to spend a great deal of their waking lives playing...
Enjoy your game..just think it's not healthy for it's longevity
I will enjoy mine like I always have
Eagler
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 14, 2024, 12:15:11 PM
Soon as I get kill this guy is switching to the team I'm fighting and generally defending my field against so he can come in going 450 mph and engage only me no matter what I'm flying somehow until he gets picked overshooting. I notice he doesn't get a kill on anyone or lose any E on anyone until he engages me first. He don't go for anyone else and hes giving up all SA just to "get the kill" on me.Then I go to the other side to defend a field and he switches to come try to engage me over there. He claims it's for the fights, but the knights were being double teamed and he doesn't switch to my team to help of course, just trying to get easy defensive picks on me while I'm trying to defend against Jabo over my own field then wants to claim I'm "running" when he's flying the fastest plane in the game and engaging me with E advantage coming right towards me before anyone else over my own field. Crap is getting very old and I think hitech is kidding himself allowing this nonsense to destroy the integrity of the MA with clear targeting of players and abuse of side switch to target me and other players.
its weird, i know there are certain squads and people that hunt me when they see the kill feed on me. i dont cry about it, i encourage it as it keeps me from looking for a fight.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 14, 2024, 12:59:19 PM
Soon as I get kill this guy is switching to the team I'm fighting and generally defending my field against so he can come in going 450 mph and engage only me no matter what I'm flying somehow until he gets picked overshooting. I notice he doesn't get a kill on anyone or lose any E on anyone until he engages me first. He don't go for anyone else and hes giving up all SA just to "get the kill" on me.Then I go to the other side to defend a field and he switches to come try to engage me over there. He claims it's for the fights, but the knights were being double teamed and he doesn't switch to my team to help of course, just trying to get easy defensive picks on me while I'm trying to defend against Jabo over my own field then wants to claim I'm "running" when he's flying the fastest plane in the game and engaging me with E advantage coming right towards me before anyone else over my own field. Crap is getting very old and I think hitech is kidding himself allowing this nonsense to destroy the integrity of the MA with clear targeting of players and abuse of side switch to target me and other players.
If you feel anything unfair occurred, send film or post it. In fact, I was streaming the entire time and anyone who saw it can vouch I had no idea it was you until the 2nd engagement (see below). Please note that at no point was anyone logged on your side nor was anyone "tracking you." You (and others') paranoia is getting to comical levels, especially when there are only 20-30 players logged on per side. It should be VERY easy to see if a shade is logged on and tracking you - the fact you know that there isn't yet you keep claiming you're being "tracked" is very, very laughable. It sounds more like you're upset that you can easily be identified given how low numbers are and you're upset you can't hide in a furball, but I digress.
Both engagements, we engaged co-alt (we were close to co-E the first fight, but I had much more the 2nd fight). In the first fight, I engaged you while you were trying to vulch someone ironically much slower than yourself. I didn't even know it was you until you dove straight for the deck then ran to ack while keeping your speed unusually high, then I saw the kill feed when you shot down weiser.
Better luck next time <S>
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Tumor on April 14, 2024, 01:32:08 PM
If you feel anything unfair occurred, send film or post it. In fact, I was streaming the entire time and anyone who saw it can vouch I had no idea it was you until the 2nd engagement (see below). Please note that at no point was anyone logged on your side nor was anyone "tracking you." You (and others') paranoia is getting to comical levels, especially when there are only 20-30 players logged on per side. It should be VERY easy to see if a shade is logged on and tracking you - the fact you know that there isn't yet you keep claiming you're being "tracked" is very, very laughable. It sounds more like you're upset that you can easily be identified given how low numbers are and you're upset you can't hide in a furball, but I digress.
Both engagements, we engaged co-alt (we were close to co-E the first fight, but I had much more the 2nd fight). In the first fight, I engaged you while you were trying to vulch someone ironically much slower than yourself. I didn't even know it was you until you dove straight for the deck then ran to ack while keeping your speed unusually high, then I saw the kill feed when you shot down weiser.
Better luck next time <S>
CYA? More of your Game Theory nonsense?
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 14, 2024, 01:38:52 PM
I mean, when every player online is a real player and there are no shades logged onto the country of a player you're fighting; you can't "track" them, can you?
I love how people throw out logic and critical thinking in order to save their egos.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 14, 2024, 01:42:23 PM
its weird, i know there are certain squads and people that hunt me when they see the kill feed on me. i dont cry about it, i encourage it as it keeps me from looking for a fight.
Strange, not heard or seen anything that would suggest that. I don't see you as being disliked that way. :aok
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: flippz on April 14, 2024, 03:16:54 PM
Strange, not heard or seen anything that would suggest that. I don't see you as being disliked that way. :aok
It’s easy to see. In the am if I up from a back field I will be met by every joker that is on. Also there are 2 room players that will hover over a fight and weirdly pounce on me after a kill feed goes up. Shane has began to do it in the last few days. Three times I have watched him orbit over fights and as soon as I get a kill there’s a 51b going 500 mph swooping in. Again I don’t mind. If they are looking for me I don’t have to look for a fight.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Shane on April 14, 2024, 03:43:58 PM
I'm in a b-pony just flying around doing high cap, sometimes engaging, sometimes not; definitely not hunting anyone, not even skyyr (he just happened to be a target of opportunity several times - Occam's Razor.)
If I were actively hunting someone, they'd know about it because I'd be letting them know. And I don't because I'm not here for my ego, lofl, I'm here to check yours.
It's amusing in how when I reversed Skyyr in the original film posted here, how both Snakeiis and you came tearing in directly for me, ignoring the other cons for the most part. Hilariously very BT-ish coverage of dear leader by you two.
Flippz, you're trying to fight way above your weight class here, sit down.
It’s easy to see. In the am if I up from a back field I will be met by every joker that is on. Also there are 2 room players that will hover over a fight and weirdly pounce on me after a kill feed goes up. Shane has began to do it in the last few days. Three times I have watched him orbit over fights and as soon as I get a kill there’s a 51b going 500 mph swooping in. Again I don’t mind. If they are looking for me I don’t have to look for a fight.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 14, 2024, 03:56:25 PM
I'm in a b-pony just flying around doing high cap, sometimes engaging, sometimes not; definitely not hunting anyone, not even skyyr (he just happened to be a target of opportunity several times - Occam's Razor.)
If I were actively hunting someone, they'd know about it because I'd be letting them know. And I don't because I'm not here for my ego, lofl, I'm here to check yours.
It's amusing in how when I reversed Skyyr in the original film posted here, how both Snakeiis and you came tearing in directly for me, ignoring the other cons for the most part. Hilariously very BT-ish coverage of dear leader by you two.
Flippz, you're trying to fight way above your weight class here, sit down.
Sorry brah, no one called for help. I'm sorry you dove from 20k to a base only to die roped.
https://youtu.be/kOrvQYI0FVk
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Shane on April 14, 2024, 04:08:49 PM
Nah, I held you there so flippz could kill you a second time. The audio is clear as day lolol Better luck next time.
tl;dnr - nice 3 v 1
Yes, we get that you couldn't get it done on your own. Sticking close to help is advisable for newbies like you until you gain enough confidence. You're doing that for Flippz who is even further down the food chain.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LCADolby on April 14, 2024, 04:48:41 PM
If you feel anything unfair occurred, send film or post it. In fact, I was streaming the entire time and anyone who saw it can vouch I had no idea it was you until the 2nd engagement (see below). Please note that at no point was anyone logged on your side nor was anyone "tracking you." You (and others') paranoia is getting to comical levels, especially when there are only 20-30 players logged on per side. It should be VERY easy to see if a shade is logged on and tracking you - the fact you know that there isn't yet you keep claiming you're being "tracked" is very, very laughable. It sounds more like you're upset that you can easily be identified given how low numbers are and you're upset you can't hide in a furball, but I digress.
Both engagements, we engaged co-alt (we were close to co-E the first fight, but I had much more the 2nd fight). In the first fight, I engaged you while you were trying to vulch someone ironically much slower than yourself. I didn't even know it was you until you dove straight for the deck then ran to ack while keeping your speed unusually high, then I saw the kill feed when you shot down weiser.
Better luck next time <S>
You are literally seeing me get kills on the other side of the map, switch to the enemy team im defending against and come in blazing in 152s and La7s, and proceed to engage me when I'm defending a field and try to pick me in a fight with Wax. Then come in over my field going 500 HO me and BnZ me for 2 minutes until judge had to pick me for you... Your accounts are very incorrect. I vulched no one because I was defending my own field the entire time lol. You got picked by Lazer this time and Humboldt on Thursday while you relentlessly gave up every thing trying to kill me after you switched teams and came directly for me defending my field. It's quite funny watching you get picked giving up all of your SA just to try to kill me for like the 3rd or 4th time now. That's not smart flying... but then that's not the point is it...
At least bring a more fun plane to fight against. Your BnZ strong arm in rocket planes is getting very boring, yawn.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RichardDarkwood on April 14, 2024, 05:26:15 PM
So far
How does everyone rate this purse fight? From 1-10, ten being the highest rating.
6.7
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: thndregg on April 14, 2024, 06:03:31 PM
I'm in a b-pony just flying around doing high cap, sometimes engaging, sometimes not; definitely not hunting anyone, not even skyyr (he just happened to be a target of opportunity several times - Occam's Razor.)
If I were actively hunting someone, they'd know about it because I'd be letting them know. And I don't because I'm not here for my ego, lofl, I'm here to check yours.
It's amusing in how when I reversed Skyyr in the original film posted here, how both Snakeiis and you came tearing in directly for me, ignoring the other cons for the most part. Hilariously very BT-ish coverage of dear leader by you two.
Flippz, you're trying to fight way above your weight class here, sit down.
Again post the raw film of both kills. Why are you at 18k cap over OUR base? That is where both engagements started? And again Shane I don’t mind being hunted. Just be careful when hunting because when you leave that bean bag in the tower you too become a choice on the menu. Nom nom nom.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: flippz on April 14, 2024, 09:37:43 PM
18k is a nice spot to sit if you’re looking for Bish and Rook squad leaders :D
Think that was my problem. I was scared of nose bleeds so I tried to stay around 10k in midwar planes.
I did learn one good defensive tactic. If there was a friendly within a sector and you turned that direction and dove to the deck, most didn't have the courage to put themselves in such a precarious position as it would to follow you to the deck. Sometimes when there were 3 or 4 of them they might make some 500mph passes and then zoom back up but those were easily defended.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Shane on April 14, 2024, 10:47:12 PM
Again post the raw film of both kills. Why are you at 18k cap over OUR base? That is where both engagements started? And again Shane I don’t mind being hunted. Just be careful when hunting because when you leave that bean bag in the tower you too become a choice on the menu. Nom nom nom.
Both kills? :headscratch: You mean on skyyr in the same sortie?
CAP doesn't mean what you think it means. If it were your base, my alt makes sense; I'm not a vulcher. If it were my base, I kept you up higher and not vulching/lift picking as you're wont (<--- fancy way of saying inclined) to do for a bit.
Once again, not hunting anyone other than targets of opportunity.
I never mentioned any alt. I was stalking stig's jug after you dove out to go after a lower 110, you were still in the area waiting to see if I would commit. Stig got tired of me not taking the bait and ran off to engage a lower ki84; I didn't engage with you either. You then followed Stig towards the ki; I pursued, you reversed and got a ho shot on my fuel as I rolled out of the ho/ram course (you didn't budge.)
So once again, what is it about what I related that you're finding sus?
<went back to look at film, so please tell me how you recall it going down.>
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: GasTeddy on April 15, 2024, 04:35:42 AM
And funny thing with this picture is how the "participants" understand it; "It means the other guy..."
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 15, 2024, 12:08:56 PM
His targeting of certain players is undeniable, it’s the same old behavior as when I left in AH2.
One of the best things about coming back to AH3 was the absence of this type of stuff; literally did not see one single claim of this from 2020 until a few months ago. Not to be confused with knowing who the high Rook P-47M is or the Bish F4u-4 in the morning, this is entirely different.
He doesn’t need shades when live-streaming on YT as he’s getting real time info from his “viewers” as they’ve informed me. I’ve gotten PMs in game from them letting me know he’s coming to me, rather for me…
It’s the real time streaming on YT giving them ability to communicate cross country enabling them to hunt players without using shades anymore. Real time live-streaming should not be allowed in AH as it is most other MMOs for these obvious reasons. A 10min delay would change things dramatically.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 15, 2024, 12:18:58 PM
In your short run with JG5 Rot, I thought you were a good stick. :old: Certainly better than most, but you need to get out of that P51 dweebery and back in German Iron :p
:salute
Thank you Dolby. I think I was at least decent, but Shaw’s book didn’t have any dust on it back then lol. I’m in the Ki-84 most often because of the versatility. My gunnery leaves me in vulnerable positions way too often, i.e staying in a fight too long, left being an easy pick on the deck and slow.
There are only a handful of dedicated 109 sticks anymore unfortunately. It’s still a lot of fun though when I have the time to get the Emil to alt and surprise them with a tight turn.
:salute
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 15, 2024, 12:25:21 PM
He doesn’t need shades when live-streaming on YT as he’s getting real time info from his “viewers” as they’ve informed me.
lol you're paranoid dude. As in, take some meds. The chatlogs from the livestream remain online after the stream has ended. No one is giving information.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LilMak on April 15, 2024, 12:27:10 PM
His targeting of certain players is undeniable, it’s the same old behavior as when I left in AH2.
One of the best things about coming back to AH3 was the absence of this type of stuff; literally did not see one single claim of this from 2020 until a few months ago. Not to be confused with knowing who the high Rook P-47M is or the Bish F4u-4 in the morning, this is entirely different.
He doesn’t need shades when live-streaming on YT as he’s getting real time info from his “viewers” as they’ve informed me. I’ve gotten PMs in game from them letting me know he’s coming to me, rather for me…
It’s the real time streaming on YT giving them ability to communicate cross country enabling them to hunt players without using shades anymore. Real time live-streaming should not be allowed in AH as it is most other MMOs for these obvious reasons. A 10min delay would change things dramatically.
Honestly Rot, there’s only 2 or three fights propagating in the MA at any one time anymore. If you’re flying around in anything other than a 190, Yak, or 51, picking a player out of a group is pretty simple. If you don’t see your target on one front, just switch to the other front and you’ll find them and be able to single them out with ease. Combine that with proximity radar and “player1 just shot down player2” in the message bar and Bob’s your uncle.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 15, 2024, 12:30:02 PM
He doesn’t need shades when live-streaming on YT as he’s getting real time info from his “viewers” as they’ve informed me. I’ve gotten PMs in game from them letting me know he’s coming to me, rather for me…
It’s the real time streaming on YT giving them ability to communicate cross country enabling them to hunt players without using shades anymore. Real time live-streaming should not be allowed in AH as it is most other MMOs for these obvious reasons. A 10min delay would change things dramatically.
I hardly ever see people comment in his streams when I stop by. And I think live streaming might help the game more than hurt it.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 15, 2024, 12:47:32 PM
When he flies straight to me in a plane I almost never fly it’s become quite obvious he’s not just using shades.
Banshee, honest question, how would a 10min time delay hurt the game?
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: fudgums on April 15, 2024, 12:47:44 PM
He doesn’t need shades when live-streaming on YT as he’s getting real time info from his “viewers” as they’ve informed me. I’ve gotten PMs in game from them letting me know he’s coming to me, rather for me…
It’s the real time streaming on YT giving them ability to communicate cross country enabling them to hunt players without using shades anymore. Real time live-streaming should not be allowed in AH as it is most other MMOs for these obvious reasons. A 10min delay would change things dramatically.
Rot...they're cheating for you. :rofl
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: RotBaron on April 15, 2024, 12:50:37 PM
As if all communication is written :rofl
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 15, 2024, 12:51:25 PM
But seriously: "Random players are logging into Skyyr's Discord and telling him where to find players because of his YouTube Stream, even though they could have just logged on without YouTube or a stream. But it's DEFINITELY because of YouTube."
lol the overall IQ here has dropped to non-existent levels.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 15, 2024, 01:13:14 PM
When he flies straight to me in a plane I almost never fly it’s become quite obvious he’s not just using shades.
Banshee, honest question, how would a 10min time delay hurt the game?
Regardless of the outside tactics he may be using. He's still abusing players by switching teams and coming directly at them every sortie they fly. You can call it paranoia but I call it sociopathic and I do think creepy is a good word. No other player has ever gone to these lengths to attempt and achieved players quitting the game due to this abuse. When not just one player, but multiple players have experience with this nearly every sortie they fly it's not paranoia, it's a pattern.
Like when I see that skyyr is on my team, then switches to the team I'm fighting against, maybe one or 2 guys in the fight, and takes off and comes right at me in a small fight, then claims " he switched for the fight" is complete lies, and then goes and HOs me in the face on a clean first merge, it's not about the "fight" at all. It's using petty tactics to target players when they have a chance to play vs a guy who plays roughly 10 hours a day. No other player has resorted to this level of OCD, derangement and obsession to target players enough so that they choose to leave the game over it.
Dare I say his squad is the reason #s are lower than usual. Summer/spring season.. sure. But 6,000 kills by his squad last tour in La7s, Spit16s, and 190ds, Ta152s ect with 700 hours played. No one wants to continually fight this crap when his squad is split between teams and never logs off. The small #s in the arena during the afternoons make it even worse. Of course it only takes a few bad apples to ruins people experience. Just like it takes a few bad apples to go on a shooting spree and get guns banned in your city or country. Laws always get made for everyone because of a few. There is no doubt to me this squad is having a negative impact on #s.
And then throw in Jokers morning crew with 20-5-5 and you have a recipe that his gravely hurting the gameplay with Euro and afternoon players.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 16, 2024, 08:18:37 AM
You know how Violator isn't in touch with reality? Because 70% of my sorties are in an 190A5 yet he claims all we fly are late war planes. He literally has a higher percentage of late war plane sorties than I do.
Looks like you're going to need more material for your copy/paste accusations brah.
Also, here's one of our last fights. You call this "coming at you"? You were literally capping the base I upped from. You had every advantage in this scenario. We even met co-alt and co-E. And no, I was never on your team previously, so you can't accuse me of switching from your side either.
It seems to me it's not an unfair advantage you're complaining about, you're complaining about just having to fight anyone competent at all.
You know how Violator isn't in touch with reality? Because 80% of my sorties are in an 190A5 yet he claims all we fly are late war planes. He literally has a higher percentage of late war plane sorties than I do.
Looks like you're going to need more material for your copy/paste accusations brah.
Also, here's one of our last fights. You call this "coming at you"? You were literally capping the base I upped from. You had every advantage in this scenario. We even met co-alt and co-E. And no, I was never on your team previously, so you can't accuse me of switching from your side either.
It seems to me it's not an unfair advantage you're complaining about, you're complaining about just having to fight anyone competent at all.
WTH are you talking about. Trying to use %s when I have 28 kills this tour mostly in a G2. I think I have only 4 late war kills, 109K and 1 in a F4u1d. You have 30 just in a 262 and 163 alone... and a 190A5 is hardly midwar relative to other earlier midwar planes. It's like the difference between a 109G14 and K4 vs 190D and 190A5, they are extremely similar yet one is a bit more powerful and the other is slightly easier to catch but turns a bit better. What's the G14 eny compared to a 190A5?
But let's not get away from last months #s. Your squad had 6000 kills almost. Your squad members had the #1 highest kills in 190D, spit16, and La7, the top 5 planes in the game, and unfortunately the stats page is screwed up so you can even see all the totals from you guys vs other players. It's just ridiculous... and if you don't think that has an impact than you are the one not living in reality. Obviously because you play this game 10 hours a day you literally aren't living in reality, lol.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 16, 2024, 09:43:38 AM
So suddenly, the A5 is a slower D9 and unskilled? lolololol
You're soooo predictable. When you fly the A5, it's a "real man's plane." When anyone bests your performance flying one, it's suddenly a cheaper D9. lolol
If I played for 10 hours a day, I'd have 300+ hours a month.
Last tour, I had just under 200 hours. That's approximately 6 hours a day. In reality, I played for about 4 hours a day (usually at night) and then I played for about 8 hours a day on weekends. Then again, I didn't play at all (ZERO) in the 3 months prior. It seems to me you're just scraping for any excuse you can get.
Don't worry, I'm about to be gone for another month or two (total time is unknown at the moment, perks of the job), so you'll be able to kill noobs to your heart's content.
I seem to recall your last in-game comment being something to the effect of "you have no life, all you have is a game." Where should I send the postcards from Istanbul and Casablanca to? Lemme know and I'll legitimately send them lmao.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: flippz on April 16, 2024, 11:40:28 AM
But let's not get away from last months #s. Your squad had 6000 kills almost. Your squad members had the #1 highest kills in 190D, spit16, and La7, the top 5 planes in the game, and unfortunately the stats page is screwed up so you can even see all the totals from you guys vs other players. It's just ridiculous... and if you don't think that has an impact than you are the one not living in reality. Obviously because you play this game 10 hours a day you literally aren't living in reality, lol.
you do understand that we like to fight? my mornings are spent defending against the mass of bish that are on. usually afternoons/evenings are spent on the team thats is doubled ganged (which is a larger issues than 3 or 4 guys that like to fight). as far as in planes why are we to be crippled by plane choice when the bish in the am can literally out number the lobby 3 to 1 and only have 12-14 eny??? the afternoons and evenings again we usually fly on the side getting horded why should i be in a lower eny plane?
If 3 or 4 guys upping to fight planes are killing a game, maybe its not the guys that are killing the game, maybe its the player base? maybe its the outdated maps and mechanics that are ie baltic map that is up now with the horrible flight times and drive times to a base. maybe the am eny needs to be adjusted so when there are only 15 people on and 12 are bish they have nothing but jeep and storch selections to encourage side switching. maybe enact a 2 base capture system per side to keeps fights moving and the map alive. maybe thats more what we need to concentrate on versus some scoretard in here crying that he cant make number 1 anymore.
also look at the score page for hours played and there are several others that have played more than any of us, we just are a lil more effective than they are.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: gpwurzel on April 16, 2024, 01:43:36 PM
Just wanted to say I've been watching Skyyr's live stream, and its almost (almost) got me back in here. At NO time, have I seen or heard anyone pass information on location of other players, or seen anything "shady" in Skyyr's flying (and before I left game, both him and Kruel used to slap me about like a red headed step child), and both had me in the DA to help me out.
I may or may not return, seeing so much lose the advantage and run to ack in the live streams, unsure of whether that is the norm, or they are just running from Skyyr kinda deal
Wurzel
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 16, 2024, 01:45:53 PM
Just wanted to say I've been watching Skyyr's live stream, and its almost (almost) got me back in here. At NO time, have I seen or heard anyone pass information on location of other players, or seen anything "shady" in Skyyr's flying (and before I left game, both him and Kruel used to slap me about like a red headed step child), and both had me in the DA to help me out.
I may or may not return, seeing so much lose the advantage and run to ack in the live streams, unsure of whether that is the norm, or they are just running from Skyyr kinda deal
Wurzel
Holy cow! There's a name I haven't seen in a long time! Come on back, wurz! Hope you're doing well!
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: gpwurzel on April 16, 2024, 01:50:22 PM
Hey Banshee, i'm doing good thanks, you? And yeah, its been a minute lol.....
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: LilMak on April 16, 2024, 01:57:46 PM
I may or may not return, seeing so much lose the advantage and run to ack in the live streams, unsure of whether that is the norm, or they are just running from Skyyr kinda deal
Wurzel
I wouldn’t say that’s the norm but it is extremely prevalent and it has little to do with who’s chasing them. There are entire squads that will run if you come in with a little altitude. Still, there’s a few who will fight it out but we’re becoming more rare. Part of the issue is the players that are left are of a much higher overall caliber than back in the day. Many resort to hit and run tactics to protect their score.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Krupinski on April 16, 2024, 02:06:44 PM
Just wanted to say I've been watching Skyyr's live stream, and its almost (almost) got me back in here. At NO time, have I seen or heard anyone pass information on location of other players, or seen anything "shady" in Skyyr's flying (and before I left game, both him and Kruel used to slap me about like a red headed step child), and both had me in the DA to help me out.
I may or may not return, seeing so much lose the advantage and run to ack in the live streams, unsure of whether that is the norm, or they are just running from Skyyr kinda deal
Wurzel
Yeah honestly even I showed up for a bit to play some AH after seeing the stream, did some 1v1s with them too and it was fun. They are not in past or present cheating, just tearing up the skies and enjoying the game xD
Unfortunately tho on topic of this thread, the MA gameplay couldn't hold my interest much.. takeoff at an airfield, fight dies, switch team, repeat.. but now you are stuck on that team for hours, so you log off when there is no action. :frown:
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Banshee7 on April 16, 2024, 02:12:21 PM
MA gameplay couldn't hold my interest much.. takeoff at an airfield, fight dies, switch team, repeat.. but now you are stuck on that team for hours, so you log off when there is no action. :frown:
Which is why I want the time switch back to 1 hour!!
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: gpwurzel on April 16, 2024, 02:17:18 PM
Thanks LilMak, Krupinski, good to "see" you both. Appreciate the info
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Shuffler on April 16, 2024, 04:39:01 PM
Wow another habitual "flyer"..... lol good to see several of yall in this thread.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 16, 2024, 05:09:41 PM
Also, here's one of our last fights. You call this "coming at you"? You were literally capping the base I upped from. You had every advantage in this scenario. We even met co-alt and co-E. And no, I was never on your team previously, so you can't accuse me of switching from your side either.
It seems to me it's not an unfair advantage you're complaining about, you're complaining about just having to fight anyone competent at all.
Here is the fight in question shortened where I have you on knights as Skyyrii and then switch to Bish to roll at the field I'm engaging. This is unlisted for now, time stamp in description. I was defending my field first from these bombers then went to that field as we searched for those TU2s. I cut some time out flying there. I actually didn't even realize you rolled at this field until I rewatched the film. Interesting that you weren't on radar at all, but as you can see, I didn't vulch anyone just watching VonnMF do some damn good defense maneuvers in the a6m. When I saw on Roster that you switched to Bish. I got alt knowing you were coming and I saw you come in Co-e ready for a fight as I knew you would. Then you had to HO me which is... sigh. Watching your video, I'm very surprised you even got a hit there... insta blow up of course. But then I rolled again and after a few tangos I see you out there again coming in. We do a merge, you miss your HO, and then get wacked by my HO. Such fun.... yawn.
Here is another example, also unlisted, of you switching teams to engage me while defending my field in a G2 after I get a kill. It was a fun and intense defensive sortie for me actually despite getting 2 assists. Time stamp in description.
And these are just 2 of multiple examples of Skyyr switching to jump into my fights as soon as I get a kill every time I log in.f It's not that I don't want to fight against Skyyr. It's that he's super annoying about his tactics and he's trying to come at me every single time I fly, generally while I'm defending, with these damn rocket planes with full speed and E and just HOs like a dweeb so it's not even fun fighting, and he wants to say it's about the "fight", but we all know that's not the case.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 16, 2024, 05:37:29 PM
Here is the fight in question shortened where I have you on knights as Skyyrii and then switch to Bish to roll at the field I'm engaging. This is unlisted for now, time stamp in description. I was defending my field first from these bombers then went to that field as we searched for those TU2s. I cut some time out flying there. I actually didn't even realize you rolled at this field until I rewatched the film. Interesting that you weren't on radar at all, but as you can see, I didn't vulch anyone just watching VonnMF do some damn good defense maneuvers in the a6m. When I saw on Roster that you switched to Bish. I got alt knowing you were coming and I saw you come in Co-e ready for a fight as I knew you would. Then you had to HO me which is... sigh. Watching your video, I'm very surprised you even got a hit there... insta blow up of course. But then I rolled again and after a few tangos I see you out there again coming in. We do a merge, you miss your HO, and then get wacked by my HO. Such fun.... yawn.
Here is another example, also unlisted, of you switching teams to engage me while defending my field in a G2 after I get a kill. It was a fun and intense defensive sortie for me actually despite getting 2 assists. Time stamp in description.
And these are just 2 of multiple examples of Skyyr switching to jump into my fights as soon as I get a kill every time I log in.f It's not that I don't want to fight against Skyyr. It's that he's super annoying about his tactics and he's trying to come at me every single time I fly, generally while I'm defending, with these damn rocket planes with full speed and E and just HOs like a dweeb so it's not even fun fighting, and he wants to say it's about the "fight", but we all know that's not the case.
cc good fights! I believe the running tally is 7 - 2 thus far. Was kind of odd to hear the video of you cursing and drop 18 F bombs on vox when you died (not even exaggerating). For that matter, it's kind of odd to see you curse and talk trash every time you die. Seems... unsporting and something worthy of .report
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Tumor on April 16, 2024, 05:43:58 PM
cc good fights! I believe the running tally is 7 - 2 thus far. Was kind of odd to hear the video of you cursing and drop 18 F bombs on vox when you died (not even exaggerating).
No no, there is no tally. Especially with your shades. Changing teams to engage me is already an advantage since I'm in the fight thinking you are on either my team or the third team while you are manipulating the game with shades to switch and set up an advantage against me. You switching and coming to the fight with the intention to target and kill me is a complete advantage on your part which means your supposed "kills" are doctored to your advantage and not mine. Coming in at ridiculous speeds to rope or HO me. Thus those kills aren't registered in any measurable fairness and not a true representation.
Title: Re: Main Arena Trending Down?
Post by: Skyyr on April 16, 2024, 06:25:31 PM
No no, there is no tally. Especially with your shades. Changing teams to engage me is already an advantage since I'm in the fight thinking you are on either my team or the third team while you are manipulating the game with shades to switch and set up an advantage against me. You switching and coming to the fight with the intention to target and kill me is a complete advantage on your part which means your supposed "kills" are doctored to your advantage and not mine. Coming in at ridiculous speeds to rope or HO me. Thus those kills aren't registered in any measurable fairness and not a true representation.
So climbing up from under you, from a base you are capping, meeting you co-alt and co-e is "unfair" and an "advantage"? lol
What about when you come after me and die? Do those count? What about, for example, engaging you solo 1v2 from an alt disadvantage and then killing you whilst upside down from 600yds out?
lol I'm seeing a pattern here: "Fair is whatever I say it is."