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Title: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: molybdenum on August 01, 2024, 07:48:21 PM
I mentioned Trump disparagingly (as an aside) in a post and got asked to calm down, fair enough. In response to a player who was calling a squaddie a liar (and he has made his squad name "Okc is a liar," laughably enough, with no apparent repercussions from HT or anyone else). So I continued with the discussion with the owner of the "Okc is a liar" squad with, when he insisted he had proof, "Post something more definitive on forum then. Just your opinion so far."

And got muted while the disparager of my squaddie yammered on.

Really?
Really?
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 01, 2024, 08:19:07 PM
I have been muted a few times in my 12+years in the game. When I get a warning, I stop, or I know what is coming. You know better, its on you. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Shane on August 01, 2024, 08:37:40 PM
I mentioned Trump disparagingly (as an aside) in a post and got asked to calm down, fair enough. In response to a player who was calling a squaddie a liar (and he has made his squad name "Okc is a liar," laughably enough, with no apparent repercussions from HT or anyone else). So I continued with the discussion with the owner of the "Okc is a liar" squad with, when he insisted he had proof, "Post something more definitive on forum then. Just your opinion so far."
And got muted while the disparager of my squaddie yammered on.

Really?
Really?


99capera got muted, as well.  So did I. All 3 of us, twice,  :rofl.  I know enough not to go after a mod... (but I will still defend my ankle.)

Having said that, there's a locked thread a few down with the proof you are seeking. Knock yourself out. Get back to me, maybe.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: molybdenum on August 01, 2024, 10:20:13 PM
I read the thread. It isn't proof. Not even close.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Shane on August 01, 2024, 10:29:47 PM
I read the thread. It isn't proof. Not even close.


Isn't proof of what?  It very clearly shows him lying about me claiming to have served. 

Let me repeat this once again, very slowly:

I. HAVE. NEVER. EVER. CLAIMED. TO. HAVE. SERVED. IN. THE. MILITARY.  EVER.

Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: molybdenum on August 01, 2024, 10:30:47 PM
I have been muted a few times in my 12+years in the game. When I get a warning, I stop, or I know what is coming. You know better, its on you. :rolleyes:

Sure it's on me. But that kind of behavior from mods turns players away.

Can the game afford that?

Sure, I came back after ~30min and played. But if this sort of attitude continues it less inclines me to log on in the future. And the primary thing keeping me playing nowadays is the camaraderie with fellow players. If a mod mutes someone just because he can, or out of spite, removing that fun part of the game, how does that not further damage the game?

To summarize: I did not continue with the (passing!) political comment. I did continue with the person who was accusing my squaddie of cheating, asking in a neutral tone of text for evidence. Then got muted.

Okay then.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Shane on August 01, 2024, 10:57:27 PM

To summarize:  I did continue with the person who was accusing my squaddie of cheating, asking in a neutral tone of text for evidence. Then got muted.


I don't accuse okcfire of cheating as many have. If anything, I have defended his expertise as experience in a manned gun.  I don't accuse anyone of cheating, actually.

I think you're becoming confused about things.  Are you hydrated?
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 02, 2024, 04:00:50 AM
I have been muted a few times in my 12+years in the game. When I get a warning, I stop, or I know what is coming. You know better, its on you. :rolleyes:

This
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 02, 2024, 04:12:43 AM
I think certain ppl and their obsessive politics and cheating claims is off the rails. Both are meant to annoy players. Both buzz-kills. Both drive players off.  I mentioned last yr a certain party affiliation seems to be causing damage here. They can’t seem to keep anything private. Have to speak of it. Most of it is just crazy talk.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Banshee7 on August 02, 2024, 07:48:05 AM
I think gameplay is killing the game faster than words being said on here or in game...
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: oTRALFZo on August 02, 2024, 07:52:51 AM
Sure it's on me. But that kind of behavior from mods turns players away.

Can the game afford that?

Are you asking mods to be more forgiving in their decisions to mute people just for the fact that the game is dying off? :headscratch:
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Eagler on August 02, 2024, 08:25:38 AM
I think gameplay is killing the game faster than words being said on here or in game...

Both are sounds of the death throes of the game sadly imo...

In over 23 years in game .. I don't recall either being where they are at today...

Eagler
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: LilMak on August 02, 2024, 08:33:49 AM
The mods are all biased. They’re human just like the rest of us. The text buffer doesn’t catch the large percentage of communication that is non-verbal. Nor does it pick up inflection in speech. Of the things that are contributing to the decline in numbers, mods aren’t even a blip on the radar. Politics is an absolute no-no as they should be. Someone recently called me out politically for killing them which made me literally LOL. Dude, my .50s don’t care who you or I vote for. They’re indiscriminate that way.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Lazerr on August 02, 2024, 11:02:37 AM
I think a few of these remaining players need to stop spending the majority of their life in the MA and maybe they won't get in eachothers heads so easily.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Banshee7 on August 02, 2024, 11:08:10 AM
I think a few of these remaining players need to stop spending the majority of their life in the MA and maybe they won't get in eachothers heads so easily.

It's like the movie Grumpy Old Men...
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Dadtallica on August 02, 2024, 01:08:19 PM
You all know you can still play this game without typing and talking to other people the whole time.

Not hard… try it some time.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Tumor on August 02, 2024, 01:39:14 PM
I think certain ppl and their obsessive politics and cheating claims is off the rails. Both are meant to annoy players. Both buzz-kills. Both drive players off.  I mentioned last yr a certain party affiliation seems to be causing damage here. They can’t seem to keep anything private. Have to speak of it. Most of it is just crazy talk.

 :rofl Dude, you JUST said it buzz-kills & drives players off... and then did it.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Skyyr on August 02, 2024, 02:02:16 PM
The uncomfortable truth is what people say isn't driving people off. Neither is individual behavior. It's the hordes of C-list, benchiwarming players afraid to die, who resort to hovering within larger hordes, displaying zero skill or ability. Said players won't engage without a massive, distinct advantage, which in turn drives the other side to repeat the same behavior.

No average player wants to deal with that kind of boring gameplay. So they quit and move on to where the combat is guaranteed.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 02, 2024, 02:37:02 PM
:rofl Dude, you JUST said it buzz-kills & drives players off... and then did it.

Depends what you’re talking about. Pretty vague.
I never bring up politics, but I’ll make fun of people who do.
As for the former players baiting and insults, I don’t care. I tend to leave current players alone and vise versa. Other than that, don’t know what you’re referring to

Yes. I bite back
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 02, 2024, 03:13:25 PM
The uncomfortable truth is what people say isn't driving people off. Neither is individual behavior. It's the hordes of C-list, benchiwarming players afraid to die, who resort to hovering within larger hordes, displaying zero skill or ability. Said players won't engage without a massive, distinct advantage, which in turn drives the other side to repeat the same behavior.

No average player wants to deal with that kind of boring gameplay. So they quit and move on to where the combat is guaranteed.

No, it matters how some individuals act too. Thats a hard reality to Skyyr. No escape hatches. Own up
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Tumor on August 02, 2024, 04:23:01 PM
No average player wants to deal with that kind of boring gameplay.

But, the C-list, benchiwarming hordes pretty much are the average players.  Maybe the chest-beating, attention-seeking, egomaniacle, "game-theory", griefers, are what's driving players away?
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Tumor on August 02, 2024, 04:27:13 PM
...Pretty vague.
...Other than that, don’t know what you’re referring to


 :rofl Pull the other one!  :aok
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Skyyr on August 02, 2024, 04:57:42 PM
But, the C-list, benchiwarming hordes pretty much are the average players.  Maybe the chest-beating, attention-seeking, egomaniacle, "game-theory", griefers, are what's driving players away?

I last played in 2018. There were commonly 500+ players online during the 3 months I played during that time, with one night hitting almost 700 players. The next time I played was in December 2023. There doesn't seem to be many of the players you're describing like that in the game, but yet numbers are literally 10-20% of what they were. Ergo, logically, that cannot be the case.

There are still plenty of sub-average ganging squads, however. BTs, 325th, AKs, etc.

Just a simple observation and basic logic. However, correlation does not equal causation and all that...
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: RotBaron on August 02, 2024, 07:06:23 PM
Depends what you’re talking about. Pretty vague.
I never bring up politics, but I’ll make fun of people who do.
As for the former players baiting and insults, I don’t care. I tend to leave current players alone and vise versa. Other than that, don’t know what you’re referring to

Yes. I bite back

I rarely see you in the MA but I know exactly where you stand politically as the times I’ve seen you engage you go much further than “making fun of people who do”…

You also do it here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but once it gets nasty does it matter who started it? Aj starts it often, sometimes merely stating something in “news” that just happened, but doesn’t get nasty, others however gleefully enjoy taking it to a boiling point.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: molybdenum on August 02, 2024, 09:27:40 PM
So it seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that a hypervigilant moderator started shushing, then silencing players, when the conversation that was shushable had already moderated into non-objectionable discource when the silencing happened.
Or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Shane on August 02, 2024, 10:01:18 PM
So it seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that a hypervigilant moderator started shushing, then silencing players, when the conversation that was shushable had already moderated into non-objectionable discource when the silencing happened.
Or am I missing something here?


You're missing that you ignored the mod's suggestion to chill. Probably more than once, and again after you were muted the first time. Nothing complicated, nefarious or personal about it (altho' I'm sure the mod rolled eyes before timing you out.) 
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: LCADolby on August 03, 2024, 05:40:06 AM
I mentioned Trump disparagingly (as an aside) in a post and got asked to calm down, fair enough. In response to a player who was calling a squaddie a liar (and he has made his squad name "Okc is a liar," laughably enough, with no apparent repercussions from HT or anyone else). So I continued with the discussion with the owner of the "Okc is a liar" squad with, when he insisted he had proof, "Post something more definitive on forum then. Just your opinion so far."

And got muted while the disparager of my squaddie yammered on.

Really?
Really?

Let me get this straight;

Okc makes a serious attempt to permanently Character Assassinate Shane without proof, a claim of stolen valor no less, a serious libel, (using your words) 'laughably enough, with no apparent repercussions from HT or anyone else', except Shane changing his squad-name.

In the aftermath of you supporting Okc, all you get is muted for mentioning Trump..

I think you got off lightly and you really shouldn't be on the BBS whining like a little squeak about being muted, because the support you want will only come from the least credible lowest ebbs of this community, like Okc.

 :old:

Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 03, 2024, 08:54:51 AM
I rarely see you in the MA but I know exactly where you stand politically as the times I’ve seen you engage you go much further than “making fun of people who do”…

You also do it here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but once it gets nasty does it matter who started it? Aj starts it often, sometimes merely stating something in “news” that just happened, but doesn’t get nasty, others however gleefully enjoy taking it to a boiling point.

I nowhere match the inciter. A side of the fence where will blame the other and minimize their own roll. If there were logs I’d challenge the comment with those.

If I’m not in the MA I take zero responsibility for what goes on without me.

My opinions takes no sides, but does dispel false informing comments and open hatred that carry no truth. I’m not for any party, its standing up for reality. I’m not for any party, I’m independent/centrist. If dispelling false claims makes me seem like I am for any party that on the those who ARE for a specific party who feel more comfortable spouting them. If reality hurts feelings thats not on me. If ya can’t take it don’t light the fire that draws it.

I’m not for anything, but I do know what I’m against. Blind hate tops the list.

Not once EVER have I ever incited politics, period, not ever once. If ya can’t take it stop putting hand in fire.

If being challenged on reality insults someone thats not on me.

Btw when I have time to fly its 8p -10p cst.

I challenge you to support your claim.

No offense taken


This is a great example of why politics is not allowed, we all know its not allowed. WE ALL KNOW IT.  If one want to stick hand in fire don’t whine that the fire burns.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: AKIron on August 03, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
Yeah Animl, your political position has been made clear. You think you are being subtle. You aren't.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 03, 2024, 10:53:33 PM
Yeah Animl, your political position has been made clear. You think you are being subtle. You aren't.

So out of shallowness YOU think because i defuse no sense you have me pegged. I challenge you to show anything that I promote anyone.
Mthst side of the fence THINKS because I point out BS ‘m of a specific affiliation.  When it really comes down to just calling out bat-sht-crazy nonsense I support your rival. I call this detachment.
Mshow me, other than calling out nonsense, where I stated supporting anyone.

Not everyone who disagrees with you must be an extreme opposite pole.

Thats shallow thinking and empty accusations.

BS is BS, no party affiliation required.

Nuts us nuts no matter what horse blinders you show with blind pride.

I did not support your blind hated rival, I pointed out weak minded nonsense. Stop spreading that misinformation cancer and you won’t be wrong twice. Anyone with grounded feet should call that nonsense out. Light your candles around your goat head, just don’t expect me to sit with you.

Ya just can’t take being challenged by your own words, that side is not the gospel. Learn it, live it, love it. I praise one god



Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: LCADolby on August 04, 2024, 06:05:26 AM
YOU think because i defuse no sense you have me pegged.

I wouldn't trust you to defuse a firecracker, somehow you'd manage to make it go off like Hiroshima.. Just sayin'  :old:
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: AKIron on August 04, 2024, 07:58:31 AM
I'm not even going to try to decipher that.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 04, 2024, 08:18:31 AM
I'm not even going to try to decipher that.

Good
B cause I think politics in game or bbs is a buzz kill
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 04, 2024, 08:26:41 AM
I wouldn't trust you to defuse a firecracker, somehow you'd manage to make it go off like Hiroshima.. Just sayin'  :old:

Things that project blind hate and nothing close to reality or truth as gospel should be nuked.
 Its toxic poison.

Social manners in social circles, don’t talk about politics, religion, income or sex.
 People eill think “you’re” nuts, arguments ensue, friends are lost. Me nuling them is the example why.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: LCADolby on August 04, 2024, 11:28:40 AM
Things that project blind hate and nothing close to reality or truth as gospel should be nuked.
 Its toxic poison.

Social manners in social circles, don’t talk about politics, religion, income or sex.
 People eill think “you’re” nuts, arguments ensue, friends are lost. Me nuling them is the example why.

Blind hate like the Social Circle in the first half of this YT short?
https://youtube.com/shorts/_ChFniY-PbQ?si=8GEGKmPLnlL2ync9
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Animl-AW on August 04, 2024, 12:54:53 PM
Blind hate like the Social Circle in the first half of this YT short?
https://youtube.com/shorts/_ChFniY-PbQ?si=8GEGKmPLnlL2ync9

Not further debating. I said what I said. Hook out of mouth.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: knorB on August 07, 2024, 09:58:10 AM
animl ... boroda's drunker american cousin.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Tumor on August 11, 2024, 10:45:53 PM
animl ... boroda's drunker american cousin.

Wait what?  Well there's a blast from the past. :rofl
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: potsNpans on August 11, 2024, 11:51:43 PM
Haven't flown regularly in awhile, but I still managed to have fun when I can. Heck we were so outnumbered 262's were only 87 perks, I still couldn't afford one though. I never had a problem with Moderators either, good ol' self governance works well. Too bad I can't control my bad flying habits. 
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Lazerr on August 12, 2024, 12:16:11 AM
Haven't flown regularly in awhile, but I still managed to have fun when I can. Heck we were so outnumbered 262's were only 87 perks, I still couldn't afford one though. I never had a problem with Moderators either, good ol' self governance works well. Too bad I can't control my bad flying habits.

Pots you bring life back Into this game.. enjoy playing with you.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 12, 2024, 11:21:55 AM
What Lazerr said, Pots you are a fixture om the game sir.  :salute
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: RELIC on August 12, 2024, 12:23:17 PM
Agreed.  We need more players like P & P.   :salute
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2024, 11:02:31 AM
Haven't flown regularly in awhile, but I still managed to have fun when I can. Heck we were so outnumbered 262's were only 87 perks, I still couldn't afford one though. I never had a problem with Moderators either, good ol' self governance works well. Too bad I can't control my bad flying habits.

Well said as usual and the same here. I hardly fly at all..... just make my usual $15 donation monthly. LOL

Every so often I show up to hit a tree or two and spill some margaritas on the runway. Refill the drop tanks with Cuervo and Leroux. Make sure the ice machines are in good working order.
Title: Re: With the game slowly dying, should mods be helping the process along?
Post by: Eagler on August 13, 2024, 11:07:31 AM
Well said as usual and the same here. I hardly fly at all..... just make my usual $15 donation monthly. LOL

Every so often I show up to hit a tree or two and spill some margaritas on the runway. Refill the drop tanks with Cuervo and Leroux. Make sure the ice machines are in good working order.

You are missed in both ma and mnm

Horrido has been mia too..both of you make the game better when you guys are in the room

 :cheers:

Eagler