General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mERv on August 17, 2024, 09:20:14 AM
Title: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: mERv on August 17, 2024, 09:20:14 AM
Parked a goon 10-14 miles away from base with radar down prior to entering dar. After cheater 88's made almost instantaneous kills on the bombers the base was left flashing as the goon remained inside dar well away from town.
Player in 88's then flies directly to the goon and kills it....
Hey Bishops, your POS teammates are still cheating and you condone it still to this day. Your hypocrites and toxic.
This isnt simply a case of random shade cheating. This player has a pattern of this kind of behavior and does not usually act so reckless as he did yesterday. Bishops were strapped for players and time to defend as multiple bases were being pushed. Usually in times like these this player will go on a sharp run of kills from man guns and miraculously finding bombers not visible on radar. No it is not okcfire or shadows. Neither have ever exhibited the desperation the accused displays when desperate. I finally got him on film this time and will continue to build a case.
I got the film and will be submitting it in. Deliberately using another account to spy and reveal locations of players is strictly forbidden in this game. I will not be disappointed to see this repeat offender "disappear" at some point in the not so distant future.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 17, 2024, 09:32:50 AM
I don't think this is the issue we think it is or should be as it is obviously being tolerated these days
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: RichardDarkwood on August 17, 2024, 11:02:37 AM
Parked a goon 10-14 miles away from base with radar down prior to entering dar. After cheater 88's made almost instantaneous kills on the bombers the base was left flashing as the goon remained inside dar well away from town.
Player in 88's then flies directly to the goon and kills it....
Hey Bishops, your POS teammates are still cheating and you condone it still to this day. Your hypocrites and toxic.
This isnt simply a case of random shade cheating. This player has a pattern of this kind of behavior and does not usually act so reckless as he did yesterday. Bishops were strapped for players and time to defend as multiple bases were being pushed. Usually in times like these this player will go on a sharp run of kills from man guns and miraculously finding bombers not visible on radar. No it is not okcfire or shadows. Neither have ever exhibited the desperation the accused displays when desperate. I finally got him on film this time and will continue to build a case.
I got the film and will be submitting it in. Deliberately using another account to spy and reveal locations of players is strictly forbidden in this game. I will not be disappointed to see this repeat offender "disappear" at some point in the not so distant future.
as if any of that matters
its a GAME
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 17, 2024, 11:46:45 AM
I don't think this is the issue we think it is or should be as it is obviously being tolerated these days
Eagler
Not so sure its tolerated as much as like “ cheating” its rarely proven clearly.
I posted what I suspected, but not enough evidence to prove it, circumstantial. No Matter what I thought I saw, doesn’t mean I nailed anything.
I’ve actually studied dar, tracking and watching you being harassed. Now had you changed bases and it still happened as I saw, I’d have to say something isn’t right. Alternate takeoff bases, don’t always fly same path. He knows where to catch you lower. He flys 2 sectors to catch you one sector from your base. He’ll always have upper hand.
Like deer hunting, a whitetail deer will alternate their path/run each day, hardly ever the same run two days in a row. Throws predators off, keeps em guessing. Smart lil bastages.
Doesn’t mean he doesn’t use crude methods, but patterns make it easier.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 17, 2024, 12:46:25 PM
When the fight initiates (around 8:00), look at what's said on 200 :rofl. It's almost like someone is giving my position away to my opponent and then crying victim when they lose.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
https://youtu.be/b3ljEDt5B0A
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 17, 2024, 01:07:55 PM
When the fight initiates (around 8:00), look at what's said on 200 :rofl. It's almost like someone is giving my position away to my opponent and then crying victim when they lose.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
https://youtu.be/b3ljEDt5B0A
Grow up.
There fear that there’s someone doing what you do.
Stop harassing players trying to run them off.
You’re like a dog who chases their own tail.
How did you find him 5-7 times in a row? You fly over battles to get to him. No one gave out your location. No one knows its you until you kill or been killed. Its guess work. You told everyone how you do it to others in a locked thread. You’re the only one who does that.
I haven’t changed sides since my first day. You change sides to see what base and plane they use, then switch sides to target them. Same with Judge, Violator, Shane, Me and Eagler.
Stop polluting the bbs w you’re bs whining. Eagler never whines.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 17, 2024, 03:37:34 PM
I am a yt star again.. lol
I was just getting to 18k to try to avoid just what happens..
You come in over 22k..
Psst this is where you post the da film and state your greatest again.. :rolleyes:
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 17, 2024, 04:00:58 PM
I was just getting to 18k to try to avoid just what happens..
You come in over 22k..
Imagine thinking alt alone is what determines energy state, especially when you're closing behind me while I'm climbing in a slower aircraft with even more drag-inducing options (gondolas); and I'm the one that turns 180 degrees to meet you. :rofl
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 17, 2024, 04:15:25 PM
Yawn..your self praise is boring if not mental or both
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 17, 2024, 04:17:46 PM
Parked a goon 10-14 miles away from base with radar down prior to entering dar. After cheater 88's made almost instantaneous kills on the bombers the base was left flashing as the goon remained inside dar well away from town.
Player in 88's then flies directly to the goon and kills it....
Hey Bishops, your POS teammates are still cheating and you condone it still to this day. Your hypocrites and toxic.
This isnt simply a case of random shade cheating. This player has a pattern of this kind of behavior and does not usually act so reckless as he did yesterday. Bishops were strapped for players and time to defend as multiple bases were being pushed. Usually in times like these this player will go on a sharp run of kills from man guns and miraculously finding bombers not visible on radar. No it is not okcfire or shadows. Neither have ever exhibited the desperation the accused displays when desperate. I finally got him on film this time and will continue to build a case.
I got the film and will be submitting it in. Deliberately using another account to spy and reveal locations of players is strictly forbidden in this game. I will not be disappointed to see this repeat offender "disappear" at some point in the not so distant future.
I meant to reply to this first - the radar changes to show local radar globally now allow anyone to see your location even on the deck in a con comes within 6k of you. There's no hiding from local dar. Are you sure this didn't occur?
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 17, 2024, 04:51:11 PM
Quote the praise. I'm simply pointing out a big reason why you both lost and continue to lose fights: you don't seem to understand E states.
If our planes and positions were switched, you would have died in the first pass.
I would 1000% prefer to be the K4 in your position in that fight than the G14 I was in.
The convo started by accusing me/us of doing what you do.
Stop evading that you target and find to harass Eagler every single night. That is a sick obsession. You going to ask him for a date?
Your vids point out 1 fight of hundreds and you seem to think you base all judgements on that. We don’t know E? No you had more E in that one fight, you catch us at lower E to start with. And you base our whole knowledge on single fights with you.
So, whats the reason you die when we kill you? What is it you don’t understand since thats how it works. Obviously if we kill you you’re not great, because according to you we suck.
My god you thrive on conflict and hypocrisy.
Done, not feeding you
Stop harassing Eagler or keep watching 30k
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 17, 2024, 04:53:57 PM
Your vids point out 1 fight of hundreds and you seem to think you base all judgements on that. We don’t know E? No you had more E in that one fight, you catch us at lower E to start with. And you base our whole knowledge on single fights with you.
So, whats the reason you die when we kill you?
Uhh, brah, in 6 months, you've managed 3 kills on me. Not only that, of those 3 kills, you had help from others in 2 of them. Only in 1 were you alone, and that was shortly after I rolled from takeoff. Want me to pull and post the stat pages? I'm happy to post a link to those 3 kills and your double-digit losses.
Not only that, you've died coming in with tons of E lol, multiple times. Should I post 10+ more videos?
Parked a goon 10-14 miles away from base with radar down prior to entering dar. After cheater 88's made almost instantaneous kills on the bombers the base was left flashing as the goon remained inside dar well away from town.
Player in 88's then flies directly to the goon and kills it....
Hey Bishops, your POS teammates are still cheating and you condone it still to this day. Your hypocrites and toxic.
This isnt simply a case of random shade cheating. This player has a pattern of this kind of behavior and does not usually act so reckless as he did yesterday. Bishops were strapped for players and time to defend as multiple bases were being pushed. Usually in times like these this player will go on a sharp run of kills from man guns and miraculously finding bombers not visible on radar. No it is not okcfire or shadows. Neither have ever exhibited the desperation the accused displays when desperate. I finally got him on film this time and will continue to build a case.
I got the film and will be submitting it in. Deliberately using another account to spy and reveal locations of players is strictly forbidden in this game. I will not be disappointed to see this repeat offender "disappear" at some point in the not so distant future.
Just say who it is...strategy is dead anyway.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LCADolby on August 18, 2024, 02:46:09 AM
Watching Skyyr going at RotBaron, Eagler and Animl's flying skills on the BBS is...
Jesus Skyyr, at least when your snapping at Violators heels its a decent stick your targeting.
Going around clubbing these baby seals and you gaining any amount of satisfaction from Tubing that utter garbage makes me feel completely embarrassed.
The cringe is so strong, talk about building a legacy of becoming AcesHigh's greatest noob destroyer.
How far do you want to drop into and scrap bottom of the barrel, you going to target a 2 week n00b with a 0.01 K/D next?
Good grief get laid or something.. or.. Did you recently break a nail or twist your panties? Is everything all right at home?
Inquiring minds want to know if these posts and films are just you having a hissy-fit because Pride month is over.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: scott66 on August 18, 2024, 02:58:26 AM
Watching Skyyr going at RotBaron, Eagler and Animl's flying skills on the BBS is...
Jesus Skyyr, at least when your snapping at Violators heels its a decent stick your targeting.
Going around clubbing these baby seals and you gaining any amount of satisfaction from Tubing that utter garbage makes me feel completely embarrassed.
The cringe is so strong, talk about building a legacy of becoming AcesHigh's greatest noob destroyer.
How far do you want to drop into and scrap bottom of the barrel, you going to target a 2 week n00b with a 0.01 K/D next?
Good grief get laid or something.. or.. Did you recently break a nail or twist your panties? Is everything all right at home?
Inquiring minds want to know if these posts and films are just you having a hissy-fit because Pride month is over.
sorry Dolby from my experience rot and Eagler are decent sticks never fought animl but in no way would I consider rot and Eagler bottom of the barrel.. in fact I know they aren't cause they are never at the"bottom of the barrel club"meetings! And I'm not just a card carrying member but I'm the president so I'm gong to have to disagree with you
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 18, 2024, 08:27:28 AM
I don’t even watch his videos, not even one. But I know he posted one of him targeting me and I was just grabbin alt, at about 150 spd and just leveled out because I sighted him. I wasn’t even 200 spd, he’s full speed, clobbers me, then posted yhe video saying I don’t know how to maintain E. <blank stare>. I have to have E to maintain E. I can manage E just as good as him for being a 51D, if I do maintain it he just HOs me. I’m not going to fair well in a TnB with a 109 or 190.
Another at night, cannot see planes against the night sky, just an icon. He prolly had gama cranked up, eventually killed me.
Another time he had landed, of course I’m going after field guns, get killed, he gets a proxie, then while bantering me claimed it as a kill <blank stare>
2 times bounced me while already in a fight.
The most of rest were HOs because I was maintaining E in a turn table fight. Most of his kills on me are HOs. A51 wing guns are not good in an HO against a 109 or 190 nose guns.
All that said, almost everyone knows my 16 yr old x52 stick is worn out in the center, causing me to over steer many shots. Except in a turn when I’m off center. Topped with ‘ back after 14 yrs away and do not get enough flight time to get my chops back in any speed.
He shiws vids because in debates he knows I’m right about the cheap kills he racks up.
So no, I’m not great nor my past skills, especially with my stick. So I don’t play to rack kills as much as just run strategic sorties with bomber like Finetime (merv) to take bases.
Even all that, he won’t show the vids of the 4-6 times I’ve killed him, because for me to do that must be embarrassing.
No one says he not good, he’s a good shot because of a gyro type sight and good use of ladder, and a very smooth stick with zero nose bounce.
I doubt anyone who kills me uses it as a benchmark. He just posts attempting to embarrass me, when I actually don’t really care. I’m not here to be the best of anything, I’m here to have fun. I chase gun huggers into field guns on a regular basis, cause its fun. Sometimes I win, many times I lose. Because I don’t care. Everyone around me knows that.
I have no clue what he’s trying to prove.
He lives beating and humiliating someone so many times they leave the game. Them leaving the game is the ultimate to him. He wants Eagler gone. So screw it, I’ll hover at 30k to make sure he doesn’t succeed at that.
Ironically, in this post, he’s upset because now I’m targeting him < blank stare > he doesn’t like that someone is doing what he does. So now he’s a victim. Lets see how he does when I have the alt and E. He’ll compress before I do :)
Like others say, he’d be considered great if it weren’t fir the over the top antics, like targetting people then humiliating them ob bbs with videos of him winning. Ever see him post of him losing?
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: icepac on August 18, 2024, 11:01:46 AM
Typing "knock knock" on 200 as you knock on the shader's door................would be priceless.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 18, 2024, 12:02:35 PM
I'm going to make a bet with you. If you can post another kill you have of me as Animl, then I'll pay your sub for a year. If you can't, you owe me a sub for a year. All you gotta do is find it on the AH stats page: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/players.php :)
Now you're in a dilemma, caught lying or caught owing me a year's sub :)
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 18, 2024, 12:05:10 PM
Watching Skyyr going at RotBaron, Eagler and Animl's flying skills on the BBS is...
Jesus Skyyr, at least when your snapping at Violators heels its a decent stick your targeting.
Going around clubbing these baby seals and you gaining any amount of satisfaction from Tubing that utter garbage makes me feel completely embarrassed.
Shhh. The amount of keyboard pounding alone from said members is satisfaction enough. The average person types between 30-40 words per minute. At almost 600 words, it means Animl's last post took him 15 minutes in response to 75 seconds of me typing. Don't ruin a good thing.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 18, 2024, 12:54:36 PM
I'm going to make a bet with you. If you can post another kill you have of me as Animl, then I'll pay your sub for a year. If you can't, you owe me a sub for a year. All you gotta do is find it on the AH stats page: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/players.php :)
Now you're in a dilemma, caught lying or caught owing me a year's sub :)
Dude you’re an idiot liar.
Your stick issues are not my stick issues, nor would be any fix you do to yours. You talk like everyone is stupid when its you sounding stupid,… because you try so hard to morph reality to your favir.
You are not known for honesty and like every convo we have you’re just 100% full of crap. Nite then issues you glazed over using a bs deflection of nonsense.
Your stick not my stick, you have no clue what you’re talking about, shut up
I’m not watching your stupid vid
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 18, 2024, 12:59:53 PM
Shhh. The amount of keyboard pounding alone from said members is satisfaction enough. The average person types between 30-40 words per minute. At almost 600 words, it means Animl's last post took him 15 minutes in response to 75 seconds of me typing. Don't ruin a good thing.
I give a rats ars. You’re just a punk. Period
You just hate the whole story is told, narcissist. Whacko
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Bopgun on August 18, 2024, 01:06:02 PM
Your sticks are getting soft and unresponsive with age? I think that means you have a prostate bro
You should get checked
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Bopgun on August 18, 2024, 01:06:51 PM
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Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Max on August 18, 2024, 01:53:47 PM
sorry Dolby from my experience rot and Eagler are decent sticks never fought animl but in no way would I consider rot and Eagler bottom of the barrel.. in fact I know they aren't cause they are never at the"bottom of the barrel club"meetings! And I'm not just a card carrying member but I'm the president so I'm gong to have to disagree with you
Thank you Scott! You’re too kind. I’ve been using old cheapo Logitech for quite some time while trying to find replacement, my gunnery is terrible so it’s tough to down tough birds like Jugs and the Almighty Yak-3 :rofl :bhead
To others; Skyler just loves his HO these days, rarely seeing much else out of him. For some reason he feels the need to fly at 20k quite regularly, he’s hardly effective as he once was with Judge watching his back. Funny watching Hotard complain about getting HO’d, but that’s his game goto tactic now.
Dolby wth! He’s clubbing numbers guys and noobs at higher frequency than us baby seals to pad ftr rank. Everyone is noticing these differences from not that long, resorting to running and ack, his id overwrites the superego quite regularly. HO’n with 30mm his MO now.
Must be the heat :headscratch:
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 19, 2024, 08:08:44 AM
When your go-to maneuvering is to attempt (and fail) to pick 3v1 and run 1v1, typically the only shot that offers itself is a front-quarter, which most noobs would confuse with a HO.
That said, it's almost like your maneuver choices (or lack of them) have consequences, huh? Hard to comprehend, I know.
You should really try out for Olympic marathons. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
https://youtu.be/GgEUU6pl2_M
https://youtu.be/QNYJljcXW7E
https://youtu.be/HlypUCRQIqg
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 19, 2024, 09:43:55 AM
What a weird bird...
Is it time for a med check/adjustment?
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 19, 2024, 09:50:04 AM
When your go-to maneuvering is to attempt (and fail) to pick 3v1 and run 1v1, typically the only shot that offers itself is a front-quarter, which most noobs would confuse with a HO.
What most call a HO is often really a 1-Circle fight.
If one has angle for a shot and the other can't quite get their nose around to match, even if off by 1 degree, that is not a HO. It is low aspect front quarter shot usually the result of a 1-Circle fight. Which by definition comes round nose to nose.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LilMak on August 19, 2024, 10:13:51 AM
If I had a nickel for every time certain players ran from me, I’d probably have played quite a few months for free.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 10:15:36 AM
What most call a HO is often really a 1-Circle fight.
If one has angle for a shot and the other can't quite get their nose around to match, even if off by 1 degree, that is not a HO. It is low aspect front quarter shot usually the result of a 1-Circle fight. Which by definition comes round nose to nose.
Yes; or more specifically, it is them losing a one-circle fight getting shot nose-to-nose, not understanding that their choice of turn will ALWAYS end nose-to-nose.
Don't educate them though, it's funnier seeing them get shot and die, then blame the other pilot for their own choice of turn.
God forbid someone actually understands the difference between a rate fight and a radius fight.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Banshee7 on August 19, 2024, 11:11:07 AM
If I had a nickel for every time certain players ran from me, I’d probably have played quite a few months for free.
This is why I have resorted to flying late war planes like the TA and coming in with alt. They can't run very far anymore. Flying the G2 or P-38 and turn fighting low and slow on the deck was fun and all until most of the players just started running as soon as they lost the advantage. Considering most everyone in the game already flies fast planes (doras, ponies, LAs....throw the Spit16 in there solely for its ability to accelerate), it got old fast.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 19, 2024, 12:05:33 PM
#1 Use a plane with 50 cals. Do not fear the heavy cannon planes like 190s and Typhoons. A 20mm, 30mm or 37mm cannon does no damage if it never hits you and if you follow the steps below they wont.
#2 Turn off tracers – so the other pilot won’t know when you start shooting.
#3 Set your convergences to the maximum distance allowed on your 50-cal plane of choice.
#4 To set up the shot, enter a dive until you are below the target then turn up into them so that when you will approach the other HO’er you will be in a slight climb. That way, if you both get damaged, you’ll be on the way up and they’ll be on the way down, ensuring that they smack the ground before you and thereby getting the kill (and the inevitable whine)
#5 Line up the shot so that you have the other plane in your sites at d2.0.
#6 Zoom in and target their left or right wing.
#7 Begin firing at d1.5 – Cease firing at d1.0 and veer off. Your 50s will continue on their laser-guided course until the other guy flies right into them.
#8 Use the ‘F’ key on the keyboard to fire so that your trigger finger doesn’t unsteady your shot.
#9 Turn fast and flat to avoid their cannon trajectory then turn back to them so that they cannot gain angles if they happen to survive.
#10 Be gracious when they whine. If they say “Nice HO jerk”, or something similar, Say: “Thanks! I use Honch’s guide to HO’ing!” -S-
Remember, it always takes 2 to Head-On so Happy HO'ing!
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LilMak on August 19, 2024, 12:12:53 PM
This is why I have resorted to flying late war planes like the TA and coming in with alt. They can't run very far anymore. Flying the G2 or P-38 and turn fighting low and slow on the deck was fun and all until most of the players just started running as soon as they lost the advantage. Considering most everyone in the game already flies fast planes (doras, ponies, LAs....throw the Spit16 in there solely for its ability to accelerate), it got old fast.
HT could restore some of the variety by eliminating awacs radar that ruins fights makes it easier for LW monsters to pick. That seems like it’s not going to happen though. The day I feel like I need to pick the uber rides to be competitive is the day I burn through a portion of my 60,000 perks and cancel my subscription. That day seems closer than it needs to be because of some the questionable decisions on the part of management.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 19, 2024, 12:14:01 PM
First 85% of what people call a HO is not a HO. It is a low aspect front quarter show where I got my gun solution before they could complete pulling lead. Usually a 1-Circle. That is THE definition of winning a 1-Circle fight. Even if you beat them to pull lead by 1/2 degree.
Second, HO is perfectly valid in any number of situations.
Heavier armored better guns than opponent? Why not. Jug against a Zero? If they are dumb enough to accept the HO (AND IT ALWAYS TAKES TWO IN AGREEMENT OR ONE NOT PAYING ATTENTION), then that is on them. Many a Navy pilot lit up a zero that way.
Out numbered? If I am getting ganged 3:1 and one accepts a HO, he is gonna get it. Worse case, that is even odds. Better than 3:1 against.
Damaged, not much longer to live? Sure. You bet.
Or, if I just feel like it. ;)
Because most aren't HO's anyway, and if they are, it takes two to agree or one not paying attention. Either way if it's to my advantage for any reason, I will.
Most only whine about the HO's they accepted or initiated and then lost.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 12:37:22 PM
First 85% of what people call a HO is not a HO. It is a low aspect front quarter show where I got my gun solution before they could complete pulling lead. Usually a 1-Circle. That is THE definition of winning a 1-Circle fight. Even if you beat them to pull lead by 1/2 degree.
Second, HO is perfectly valid in any number of situations.
Heavier armored better guns than opponent? Why not. Jug against a Zero? If they are dumb enough to accept the HO (AND IT ALWAYS TAKES TWO IN AGREEMENT OR ONE NOT PAYING ATTENTION), then that is on them. Many a Navy pilot lit up a zero that way.
Out numbered? If I am getting ganged 3:1 and one accepts a HO, he is gonna get it. Worse case, that is even odds. Better than 3:1 against.
Damaged, not much longer to live? Sure. You bet.
Or, if I just feel like it. ;)
Because most aren't HO's anyway, and if they are, it takes two to agree or one not paying attention. Either way if it's to my advantage for any reason, I will.
Most only whine about the HO's they accepted or initiated and then lost.
Not only that, but you have the fastest closure rate and smallest profile to be hit when approaching your opponent head-on. A front-quarter shot is quite literally the easiest shot to avoid. Out of all phases of flight, you are the hardest to hit during a head-on merge.
If you can't avoid a front-quarter shot at the merge, you have no one but you and your lack of skill to blame.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Shuffler on August 19, 2024, 12:39:34 PM
This is why I have resorted to flying late war planes like the TA and coming in with alt. They can't run very far anymore. Flying the G2 or P-38 and turn fighting low and slow on the deck was fun and all until most of the players just started running as soon as they lost the advantage. Considering most everyone in the game already flies fast planes (doras, ponies, LAs....throw the Spit16 in there solely for its ability to accelerate), it got old fast.
The reason I hardly fly anymore. They all need fast planes.
It was fun back in the day though... wasn't it. :aok
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Banshee7 on August 19, 2024, 12:45:41 PM
The reason I hardly fly anymore. They all need fast planes.
It was fun back in the day though... wasn't it. :aok
Yessir, it was! The same things that are happening now happened back then, too! It just wasn't as noticeable because there were more pilots willing to have a good fight, leave 1v1s alone, etc. I still like to take the 38 out every now and then, even managed to have the most kills in a 38G one tour, but it is far less often.
Honestly, though, flying planes like the 190/TA has been a challenge for me because I've changed the way I fly. It's been fun and frustrating, but not many players left are willing to learn something new. Instead they cling to easy.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LilMak on August 19, 2024, 12:52:05 PM
Not only that, but you have the fastest closure rate and smallest profile to be hit when approaching your opponent head-on. A front-quarter shot is quite literally the easiest shot to avoid. Out of all phases of flight, you are the hardest to hit during a head-on merge.
If you can't avoid a front-quarter shot at the merge, you have no one but you and your lack of skill to blame.
Some people get upset with themselves when they don’t HO. Somewhere after the second to forth miss I get bored and oblige or give them my tail. Either they don’t have anything else in the arsenal or they’re just lazy.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 12:54:17 PM
Some people get upset with themselves when they don’t HO. Somewhere after the second to forth miss I get bored and oblige or give them my tail. Either they don’t have anything else in the arsenal or they’re just lazy.
Others complain constantly when they're shot anywhere that's not a 30° cone behind their tail, even when they were the ones dumb enough to turn into their opponent's guns... almost every fight.
Make it make sense, right?
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LilMak on August 19, 2024, 01:12:32 PM
Others complain constantly when they're shot anywhere that's not a 30° cone behind their tail, even when they were the ones dumb enough to turn into their opponent's guns... almost every fight.
Make it make sense, right?
Some of us are here for the fight. And some of us are here for grief.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 01:16:05 PM
Agreed. And if you open with a HO knowing that. You’re not very good either.
So hitting and consistently making the hardest shot in the game says you're not very good? Seems like you're either unfamiliar with ACM and logic, or just very emotional.
In either case, can't wait to see you in game again.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LCADolby on August 19, 2024, 01:44:31 PM
So one post calls a High Aspect Shot as "low aspect". There I was awaiting the post, full of correctional glee to appear from a certain someone.
However our resident air combat professional in Skyyr certainly didn't notice the very obvious, with the reply "Yes;".. and amusingly in the next breath suggested not to engage in any education.
Today we understands how to spot a fake expert.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 01:46:44 PM
So one post calls a High Aspect Shot as "low aspect". There I was awaiting the post, full of correctional glee to appear from a certain someone.
However our resident air combat professional in Skyyr certainly didn't notice the very obvious, with the reply "Yes;".. and amusingly in the next breath suggested not to engage in any education.
Today we understands how to spot a fake expert.
I didn't make the post nor did I feel the need to correct it (nor did I bother to check if you or the OP is correct). It's an irrelevant tertiary concern to the fact a one-circle fight ends nose-to-nose.
Is this the same Dolby that quit the game and accused people of using multiple accounts to track him... while broadcasting his location live on Twitch? And he couldn't figure out that's why he kept getting killed?
I wouldn't try to paint yourself as being able to correct anyone any time soon.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LCADolby on August 19, 2024, 01:49:26 PM
I didn't make the post nor did I feel the need to correct it. Is this the same Dolby that quit the game and accused people of using multiple accounts to track him... while broadcasting his location live on Twitch? And he couldn't figure out that's why he kept getting killed?
I wouldn't try to paint yourself as smart any time soon.
I clearly touched a nerve, that was both quick and personal. :banana:
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 01:50:35 PM
And 100% accurate. Should I link to the stream again? :rofl
100% accurate that your trying desperately to divert attention from you being a Fake Expert.
Post the link again and again, share and share it to the world that you eagerly engage in stream sniping I.E cheating.
GG Fake expert try another aspect to wound me.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PM
Can we get this thread locked early or does it need to go 20 more pages before it erodes and suffers the same fate as all the rest...just feeding the troll and his precious yet fragile ego
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LCADolby on August 19, 2024, 01:56:16 PM
Can we get this thread locked early or does it need to go 20 more pages before it erodes and suffers the same fate as all the rest...just feeding the troll and his precious yet fragile ego
Eagler
He certainly is fragile today, he doesn't usually break that fast.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 19, 2024, 02:03:02 PM
So one post calls a High Aspect Shot as "low aspect". There I was awaiting the post, full of correctional glee to appear from a certain someone.
However our resident air combat professional in Skyyr certainly didn't notice the very obvious, with the reply "Yes;".. and amusingly in the next breath suggested not to engage in any education.
Today we understands how to spot a fake expert.
Off nose or tail?
Coming in a beam is high aspect.
[edit] ...to me. If nose to nose is considered high aspect, I can accept that, but that definition seems unhelpful.
To me nose to nose or nose to tail are low aspect as in their relative movement across the LOS is slower than what I call high aspect when they are traversing at 90 deg.
Regardless, whiners will whine about "HO" they initiated or agreed to or just got caught not paying attention.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 02:14:53 PM
[edit] ...to me. If nose to nose is considered high aspect, I can accept that, but that definition seems unhelpful.
To me nose to nose or nose to tail are low aspect as in their relative movement across the LOS is slower than what I call high aspect when they are traversing at 90 deg.
Regardless, whiners will whine about "HO" they initiated or agreed to or just got caught not paying attention.
By definition it is "high aspect," but most players actually complain about a shot perpendicular to their cockpit as they lose a one-circle fight. In that scenario, it's really about angle-off. Aspect is almost irrelevant from what I've seen players whine about here. I understood what you meant.
Couple that with the incessant one-circle fights and, well, aspect doesn't matter so much as all fights TEND to devolve to the same thing here.
The attempt to correct me for not correcting you is just pent-up anger that he quit the game because of me.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 19, 2024, 02:19:41 PM
STFU already!
No one cares but you pal
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: waystin2 on August 19, 2024, 02:26:18 PM
Who else will HTC welcome back from banishment? :rofl
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 19, 2024, 02:29:15 PM
Can we get this thread locked early or does it need to go 20 more pages before it erodes and suffers the same fate as all the rest...just feeding the troll and his precious yet fragile ego
Eagler
Does everyone who posts in a thread whose nature violates the rules get "points" or just those who violate the rules on their own therein? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 19, 2024, 02:31:47 PM
Why do you want to shut people down rather than just not read what you are not interested in?
Don't you hate it when people shut down your politics instead of just not reading what they are not interested in?
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2024, 02:36:52 PM
As I understand it, aspect is your bearing to target relative to its heading, regardless of your heading. If you are directly in front then that is the highest aspect to target for you and is 180 degrees. Both wings, 90 degrees. Tail 0 degrees. The higher the number of degrees the higher the aspect. Know or not knowing this reflects not at all on one's ability to fly ACM.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LilMak on August 19, 2024, 02:37:26 PM
So hitting and consistently making the hardest shot in the game says you're not very good? Seems like you're either unfamiliar with ACM and logic, or just very emotional.
In either case, can't wait to see you in game again.
You don’t make that shot consistently against me unless I’m otherwise occupied or decide to oblige. Like I said. I get bored after you do it more than twice and either give you my six or let bullets fly.
You got really mad the other night a week or two ago when you didn’t HO me. Even announced it on 200. Accusing me of “running” when I wasn’t stupid enough to make 180 degree turn and try to follow you up when I was lower and slower. You had plenty of smash to run me down even in that A5. Just not in the enemy traffic you were in and you paid for it. That really made you upset. Then you loaded up your 152 came screaming in again, missed the HO and got me after a turn or two when I snapped it. Then you died instantly because I set you up. Had I not spun it (admittedly a mistake on my part) you would’ve died without your revenge. Not because I pulled the trigger but because you were so hot headed that you sacrificed everything to come after little ole me.
Then there was the encounter quite some time ago we met in fighter town. Just you me and Flipz who happened to be on my team and you conveniently ignored. I was in a D-25 and you were in an LA-7. I dodged two HOs and on the third I let bullets fly. You were smoking and I lost a wing. I upped again. This time you didn’t HO because you probably didn’t think you’d survive another burst with your busted up LA-7. You went vertical (like you could’ve done any of the previous times) and took me out.
It’s not that you’re not good. I think everyone here will acknowledge that you ARE very good. You’re just, for the most part, lazy. You prefer kills to fights. You prefer grief to fun. You take everything too seriously.
Now I can expect to be griefed (wasn’t someone banned for griefing?) in game because you’re gonna show me how good you are and HOing? Color me not surprised. Clearly I’m not the emotional one.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LCADolby on August 19, 2024, 02:41:15 PM
Quote
User 'CptTrips' has blocked your personal message.
Oof :ahand
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 19, 2024, 02:43:56 PM
Does everyone who posts in a thread whose nature violates the rules get "points" or just those who violate the rules on their own therein? Asking for a friend.
Everyone not the thread owner unless they broke the rules too..
Eagler
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Eagler on August 19, 2024, 02:49:16 PM
Angle off Nose\tail is more of what I should have said.
Thinking on it, nose-to-nose being high aspect does make more sense if you are talking about rear aspect missiles. Nose to nose would be the most difficult PK.
For guns, to me obviously Nose to nose or nose to tail require the least lead so I think of it like a sine wave.
But it is useful to use the official terms to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 19, 2024, 03:00:40 PM
Everyone not the thread owner unless they broke the rules too..
Eagler
I was joking about not knowing. A thread title can violate the rules though. In 25 years I have only reported a post twice. No plans to do it again. What I truly don't know is if a post must be reported before a moderator acts. That should be a requirement in my opinion (stating that may be a rule violation but I have a few points to spare). Then if no one reported anyone we could talk about whatever. :D
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2024, 03:03:51 PM
Angle off Nose\tail is more of what I should have said.
Thinking on it, nose-to-nose being high aspect does make more sense if you are talking about rear aspect missiles. Nose to nose would be the most difficult PK.
For guns, to me obviously Nose to nose or nose to tail require the least lead so I think of it like a sine wave.
But it is useful to use the official terms to avoid confusion.
And of course there is the matter of perspective. Nose to nose would be high aspect for both while nose to tail would be high for one and low for the other.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2024, 03:19:15 PM
Aspect matters more when range is a bigger factor. With missiles it's more important than bullets. You aren't going to shoot at someone 20 miles away with bullets. You might with missiles and whether you are on their tail or have a greater aspect is important if you are shooting at max range. Zero aspect and the missile may not catch them. 180 and range is less an issue.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 19, 2024, 05:38:37 PM
I have yet to see good ACM by the player who preaches it the most, nor practiced it in RL. Never heard the professional call a maneuver by its name.
Retaining E is kinda funny when breaking from s furball to regain E he was not suppose to lose. Them calls someone s runner when they do the same.
He is more likely to flip when you’re on a far 6 and nose into a HO very straight HO, hardly radius HO.
He doesn’t suck, he’s just totally full of crap and harassment/griefing to anyone who calls him out. He has an ego made of rice paper. He’s a lot better toejam than any form of ACM king. I look foward to him griefing me. Because even if he wins he sounds like a child. A glorified squeak toy. I always LMAO when he kills me. He does a 2k slope for E. Then makes fun of his opponent for unable to have the alt to do it too as failed E management. He catches me grabbing at 150 and claims I don’t know about E. He fights me at night and hudes I said I can’t see planes at night.
He should write children story books, because he’s very inventive.
I love that he’s like my puppet on strings, can make him dance at will, because he so thin skinned. Of course he can kill me, and of course I’ll laugh it off and forget the incident 3 min later, while it consumes in vids for 2 days.
Look for the next Animl hunt and popcorn theater fest. <whistles> heel boy.
He’s a dogs fav squeak toy, good or not, a true baby seal.
But his dbl talk is starting to mimic someone here who backseat drives in agreement out of praise.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 19, 2024, 05:55:36 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Meatwad on August 19, 2024, 06:04:04 PM
Does everyone who posts in a thread whose nature violates the rules get "points" or just those who violate the rules on their own therein? Asking for a friend.
Depends on how many people cryer reports because they hurt his feelings and ego
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 19, 2024, 06:41:58 PM
We all tend to reply, "in kind". Although intent can be lost in text. What was meant as a light poke in the ribs meant to stop and get one to think is taken as a slap in the face. Then it escalates from there.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: GasTeddy on August 20, 2024, 06:17:46 AM
Nice to see how well some keep the original subject of the topic. No self praise or arguing, just pure no-nonsense discussion.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 20, 2024, 07:48:25 AM
This is true. The less these former players lose ground on killing the game they no longer play, the harder they try, for whatever reason they think coming after me accomplishes that.
They destroy it from the outside, very unfortunately, HT is allowing it from within. Both are allowed.
If i’m the only one with dirty hands it look like only I have a problem with it. It will take uniting to get it gone. Pick your poison.
I hope I get probation that is never enforced
It doesn’t take much to realize the former players cause the most hate here for fun. And others just sit on clean hands and watch.
I’m starting to get the impression our god wants it dead. And its working very well.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 20, 2024, 07:57:58 AM
Skyyr seems to be under the impression that he’s making himself a popular great pilot, when the reality of it he’s making himself the most popular ars.
I support second chances, until I can no longer support second chances. Clearly, that time has passed. He’s chasing too many away. This is an accomplishment?
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: AKIron on August 20, 2024, 08:47:39 AM
All the whining here is what's putting him in the spotlight.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 20, 2024, 09:00:48 AM
This is why I have resorted to flying late war planes like the TA and coming in with alt. They can't run very far anymore. Flying the G2 or P-38 and turn fighting low and slow on the deck was fun and all until most of the players just started running as soon as they lost the advantage. Considering most everyone in the game already flies fast planes (doras, ponies, LAs....throw the Spit16 in there solely for its ability to accelerate), it got old fast.
Becoming the problem, doesn't solve the problem.
Everyone should just fly 262s and Temps TAs and all perked planes. The later the planes, the more easy mode E flying and HOing we can do, and then who cares about using the other 30 fighters this game offers?
I get mad about gang tards too, but I just call them dweeb for it and continue to use advanced defense ACM to counter them in the overshoot.
Much better than flying EZ mode BZ and HO snooze fests. :aok
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 09:40:20 AM
Everyone should just fly 262s and Temps TAs and all perked planes. The later the planes, the more easy mode E flying and HOing we can do, and then who cares about using the other 30 fighters this game offers?
I get mad about gang tards too, but I just call them dweeb for it and continue to use advanced defense ACM to counter them.
Much better than flying EZ mode BZ and HO snooze fests. :aok
If everyone flew jets, it would be the same as if everyone flew 109G2s. There would be no inherent advantage.
Your logic fails basic scrutiny.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 20, 2024, 09:47:46 AM
If everyone flew jets, it would be the same as if everyone flew 109G2s. There would be no inherent advantage.
Your logic fails basic scrutiny.
That's false. Go look at the difference in flying ww1 planes vs ww2 planes vs early jets. Speed and maneuvering and E retention have a major impact in the fight SA zone of combat. I can see you've never played FSO or axis v allied scenarios very much.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 09:52:36 AM
That's false. Go look at the difference in flying ww1 planes vs ww2 planes vs early jets. Speed and maneuvering and E retention have a major impact in the fight SA zone of combat. I can see you've never played FSO or axis v allied scenarios very much.
Thats not "false." It's called relative comparison.
If flying a WWI plane is difficult, then by extension, it's also difficult to fly a WWI plane against another WWI plane. Ergo, when everyone is in WWI planes, there is no difference in variables aside from pilot skill.
If SA is reduced in WWI planes, then all pilots have reduced SA. Since you have clearly stated this isn't due to pilot skill but rather the "reduced E" and other items, then it logically follows that all pilots SA is reduced accordingly. Therefore, the only differing variable is pilot skill.
Ergo, in every situation, it follows that when the planes are the same, the only difference is pilot skill. When all planes are the same, then plane type doesn't matter; only the pilot's skill matters.
You really need to learn basic foundations of debate. This is basic logic.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 20, 2024, 09:57:47 AM
If everyone flew jets, it would be the same as if everyone flew 109G2s. There would be no inherent advantage.
Your logic fails basic scrutiny.
Face it dude. You’re just a rotten human. Narcissist is candy coating it. He was playing with words, DS.
You really do suffer from Dunning-Kruger Effect.
I’d invite a crackhead for a night of dinner rather than spend one minute with you.
You have serious hate issues. You’re probably a true chore to be around. Mommy musta told you you’re perfect a bit too much, or the opposite. Fix yourself.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 20, 2024, 10:00:39 AM
Yet, here you are.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: LCADolby on August 20, 2024, 10:02:25 AM
If SA is reduced in WWI planes, then all pilots have reduced SA. Since you have clearly stated this isn't due to pilot skill but rather the "reduced E" and other items, then it logically follows that all pilots SA is reduced accordingly. Therefore, the only differing variable is pilot skill.
Hey Mr Fake Expert, Situational Awareness is a Pilot skill variable.
An Aircraft cannot have Situational Awareness for an aircraft is an inanimate object.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 20, 2024, 10:05:56 AM
Everyone should just fly 262s and Temps TAs and all perked planes. The later the planes, the more easy mode E flying and HOing we can do, and then who cares about using the other 30 fighters this game offers?
I get mad about gang tards too, but I just call them dweeb for it and continue to use advanced defense ACM to counter them in the overshoot.
Much better than flying EZ mode BZ and HO snooze fests. :aok
Good luck "solving the problem." You're never going to change peoples' minds or train the masses to fight your way. Most of the guys left have been flaying the same plane and using the same tactics for 20 years. It would be great if everyone agreed, but playing from the defensive every flight gets old, as it already has. Trust me, nothing makes me happier than absolutely schooling someone that has all the advantages while I'm in a less capable plane.
The days of the furball are gone. Might as well adapt and overcome.
Edited to add that your stats from the last few tours says you actually agree with me. A lot of perk plane/late war plane kills. 🤔
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 10:19:43 AM
Good luck "solving the problem." You're never going to change peoples' minds or train the masses to fight your way. Most of the guys left have been flaying the same plane and using the same tactics for 20 years. It would be great if everyone agreed, but playing from the defensive every flight gets old, as it already has. Trust me, nothing makes me happier than absolutely schooling someone that has all the advantages while I'm in a less capable plane.
The days of the furball are gone. Might as well adapt and overcome.
Spoken like a true Skyyr/Trips cult member.
No, its thats group ways that are driving the recent exodus. Complete toxic poison. You have shocked me. Disappointed.
Soon you guys can fight crickets. You’ll have no targets to cry about.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 20, 2024, 10:29:07 AM
No, its thats group ways that are driving the recent exodus. Complete toxic poison. You have shocked me. Disappointed.
Soon you guys can fight crickets. You’ll have no targets to cry about.
Sorry you feel that way, but if you read my posts from before Skyyr's return, you will see much of the same complaints. But you ARE right. Soon the game will be dead thanks to the non-combat seeking horde monkeys. Especially when there is no one left to fight them.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 10:32:51 AM
Sorry you feel that way, but if you read my posts from before Skyyr's return, you will see much of the same complaints. But you ARE right. Soon the game will be dead thanks to the non-combat seeking horde monkeys. Especially when there is no one left to fight them.
The song remains the same. Noe horde toolshedders avoiding one another.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: AKIron on August 20, 2024, 10:36:30 AM
Sorry you feel that way, but if you read my posts from before Skyyr's return, you will see much of the same complaints. But you ARE right. Soon the game will be dead thanks to the non-combat seeking horde monkeys. Especially when there is no one left to fight them.
Well, not as much you as king dipsht, but its you guys not us driving whats left away. A lil help from Trips the grown punk, you’ll have it emptied much faster than you think.
No one has sny respect for that kinda talk. What makes you guys so privileged to tell everyone how to play while complaining people are trying to tell you how to play. The holier than thou concept. Skyyr is a punk, nothing more, nothing less, a punk. Skyyr lives to be hated, he does a good job of it more than being anything great. He SUCKS
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 20, 2024, 10:42:53 AM
Well, not as much you as king dipsht, but its you guys not us driving whats left away. A lil help from Trips the grown punk, you’ll have it emptied much faster than you think.
No one has sny respect for that kinda talk. What makes you guys so privileged to tell everyone how to play while complaining people are trying to tell you how to play. The holier than thou concept. Skyyr is a punk, nothing more, nothing less, a punk. Skyyr lives to be hated, he does a good job of it more than being anything great. He SUCKS
(https://i.ibb.co/MMhK2hM/Anml.png)
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 10:46:20 AM
What makes you guys so privileged to tell everyone how to play while complaining people are trying to tell you how to play. The holier than thou concept.
This proves a point I've been trying to make. Why is everyone upset with what I fly??
Good luck "solving the problem." You're never going to change peoples' minds or train the masses to fight your way. Most of the guys left have been flaying the same plane and using the same tactics for 20 years. It would be great if everyone agreed, but playing from the defensive every flight gets old, as it already has. Trust me, nothing makes me happier than absolutely schooling someone that has all the advantages while I'm in a less capable plane.
The days of the furball are gone. Might as well adapt and overcome.
Edited to add that your stats from the last few tours says you actually agree with me. A lot of perk plane/late war plane kills. 🤔
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Animl-AW on August 20, 2024, 11:05:28 AM
Skyyr = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. Trips = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. KnorB = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. Richarddarkwood = punk, most have on ignore, disliked.
Sad part, like ex-bf who won’t go away, they cling to where they are unwelcome the most. This is a true personality disorder. They thrive on hate towards them. And they earn it well.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: CptTrips on August 20, 2024, 11:16:47 AM
Skyyr = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. Trips = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. KnorB = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. Richarddarkwood = punk, most have on ignore, disliked.
Sad part, like ex-bf who won’t go away, they cling to where they are unwelcome the most. This is a true personality disorder. They thrive on hate towards them. And they earn it well.
I'm the guy in the sunglasses... You can figure out animl's role
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: Grind on August 20, 2024, 11:32:47 AM
Yeah, extremists pretty much suck.
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: TryHard on August 20, 2024, 12:17:54 PM
Skyyr = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. Trips = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. KnorB = punk, most have on ignore, disliked. Richarddarkwood = punk, most have on ignore, disliked.
Sad part, like ex-bf who won’t go away, they cling to where they are unwelcome the most. This is a true personality disorder. They thrive on hate towards them. And they earn it well.
You have a lot of knowledge on ex boyfriends, how many have you had?
Title: Re: Deliberate shade spying still going on...
Post by: knorB on August 20, 2024, 12:20:27 PM
Thats not "false." It's called relative comparison.
If flying a WWI plane is difficult, then by extension, it's also difficult to fly a WWI plane against another WWI plane. Ergo, when everyone is in WWI planes, there is no difference in variables aside from pilot skill.
If SA is reduced in WWI planes, then all pilots have reduced SA. Since you have clearly stated this isn't due to pilot skill but rather the "reduced E" and other items, then it logically follows that all pilots SA is reduced accordingly. Therefore, the only differing variable is pilot skill.
Ergo, in every situation, it follows that when the planes are the same, the only difference is pilot skill. When all planes are the same, then plane type doesn't matter; only the pilot's skill matters.
You really need to learn basic foundations of debate. This is basic logic.
Hey Mr Fake Expert, Situational Awareness is a Pilot skill variable.
An Aircraft cannot have Situational Awareness for an aircraft is an inanimate object.
Dolby has a point here. But even if players have the same SA, the fights are still different between each generations of planes. Which is why Midwar is usually the most fun type of furballs. Faster planes means slower turn radius and thus longer circumference of circles. Thus further distances being traveled. This means that in AH, a 5k distance for icons means faster planes will be outside the 5k range moreso than in a furball with WW1 planes that cannot leave the 5k range as easily.
While "logically" you may say it's the same furball, just spread out. This is not rationally the same furball because different situations present themselves as separation occurs due to faster planes and limits on icons and longer drawn out fights rather than sweaty turn n burns in early war planes. It's much harder to escape a furball with slower planes than it is in faster planes. Which is why if everyone flew in Jets, it would be much more boring than if everyone flew in midwar G2s.
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Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 02:43:05 PM
While "logically" you may say it's the same furball, just spread out. This is not rationally the same furball because different situations present themselves as separation occurs due to faster planes and limits on icons and longer drawn out fights rather than sweaty turn n burns in early war planes. It's much harder to escape a furball with slower planes than it is in faster planes. Which is why if everyone flew in Jets, it would be much more boring than if everyone flew in midwar G2s.
Imagine not understanding that when everyone flies the same planes, you no longer have ANY speed advantage besides altitude which you can temporarily convert to airspeed until it bleeds back off due to drag.
You can't catch a G2 running from a G2 any faster than 262 running from 262.
You should genuinely review basic logic.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on August 20, 2024, 02:57:12 PM
Good luck "solving the problem." You're never going to change peoples' minds or train the masses to fight your way. Most of the guys left have been flaying the same plane and using the same tactics for 20 years. It would be great if everyone agreed, but playing from the defensive every flight gets old, as it already has. Trust me, nothing makes me happier than absolutely schooling someone that has all the advantages while I'm in a less capable plane.
The days of the furball are gone. Might as well adapt and overcome.
Edited to add that your stats from the last few tours says you actually agree with me. A lot of perk plane/late war plane kills. 🤔
So are the days of strategy....
40-6 in a 109G2, #1 G2 K/D in tour 291. I don't have anything to hide. I don't fly those planes timidly at 20k or try to game an advantage over players by switching teams in the middle of their sortie and monitoring their kills on a stats page.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on August 20, 2024, 03:00:39 PM
YOU were the one who said SA differed between plane types, because of speed and energy retention lmao:
lolol
Imagine not understanding that when everyone flies the same planes, you no longer have ANY speed advantage besides altitude which you can temporarily convert to airspeed until it bleeds back off due to drag.
You can't catch a G2 running from a G2 any faster than 262 running from 262.
You should genuinely review basic logic.
Basic logic says fights are different in late war super planes vs ww1 planes. Yes or No?
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Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 03:01:52 PM
That is false. Because If more planes are outside of the icon range. You cannot have the same type of SA as you do in a ww1, where most planes are within 2 miles. You cannot predict a plane that's outside of icon range if you can't see it. But you can predict a plane in a slower fight where more planes are within the 5k range. So If you turn to attack someone and a plane that's outside of 5k range comes in on you quickly. You'll have to adjust where as if they are in range, you wouldn't have made the attack.
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Post by: Skyyr on August 20, 2024, 03:18:32 PM
That is false. Because If more planes are outside of the icon range. You cannot have the same type of SA as you do in a ww1, where most planes are within 2 miles. You cannot predict a plane that's outside of icon range if you can't see it. But you can predict a plane in a slower fight where more planes are within the 5k range. So If you turn to attack someone and a plane that's outside of 5k range comes in on you quickly. You'll have to adjust where as if they are in range, you wouldn't have made the attack.
LOL.
Imagine not knowing the difference between rules and tactics.
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Post by: knorB on August 20, 2024, 03:29:15 PM
It’s not fair you’re in the same plane as me!!!!!
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Post by: Chris79 on August 20, 2024, 04:36:27 PM
Fun joke, a skitzo and a Narcissistic walk in a bar.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on August 20, 2024, 05:52:48 PM
Imagine not knowing the difference between rules and tactics.
Lol, imagine thinking a Ta152 furball would be the same as a C202 furball. It's simply is not true, and logic cannot measure people's actions. You can only do what you'd do. Ta152s and super late war would remain as timid as possible and extend much further away after crossing. Players in C202s aren't going to extend and will mostly go for the turn fights causing more of the furball concept.
Being able to extend away out of range before players see your icon is also very important. You arent considering top speed being the most important factor with dive ability relative to a plane with low E and it's ability to escape the fight. All in all, you'd see a lot more timid players, only BnZing and staying out of icon range as much as possible before setting up an attack. Where as in mid war planes and earlier war furballs are much more concentrated because more people turn and can't as easily BnZ when your plane compresses. They cannot escape the furball combat zone as quickly due to lower top speeds.
Then you factor in bullets and how effective they are, and how quickly they bring planes down, this also prolongs fights when bullets aren't as powerful and you'll need to structure your SA around that. Also, some planes are better at crossing shots vs lead shots, and vice versa which has an impact on how players fly in furballs. Lead shooters are almost always BnZ style planes, which creates a BnZ style atmosphere, which is relatively boring compared to close quarters combat that comes with crossing shots.
All and all, I'd say you are incorrect in your assement since tactics are based on the situation and rules are based on what each plane is capable of per physics but dont take into account people's actions as well as aggressiveness of the fight where a close quarters is much more aggressive and maneuvers must be performed a lot more quickly which makes the furball a lot more fun for most people.
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Post by: LilMak on August 21, 2024, 01:18:39 PM
Vision, reflexes, and gun range basically remain constant while progressively higher combat speeds effectively degrade all three. Rules, tactics, and even aircraft design fundamentally changed as the speed of aircraft increased.
A engagement between two early biplanes with a combined head on closure rate of around 200mph is a totally different affair than an engagement between two jets closing on each other at well over 2000mph. Assuming 5 miles apart and both pilots see each other at the same instant, the biplanes have 1 minute 30 seconds to react while the jets get 9 seconds.
While an extreme example, it illustrates why the WWII combat sims tend to be more fun. The aircraft aren’t always so fast that it becomes an exercise in extreme precision where a hiccup literally will lose the fight. And they’re not so slow that they’re incapable of eking out an advantage if the pilot can work in four dimensions. However, the faster the aircraft, the more it gets away from the “dogfight” which is actually a no-no in real combat and actually forces pilots to move more towards engaging only when they have a tactical advantage.
While there are some of us who relish protracted combat where you maneuver your machine and jockey for position, there are others who only care about the kill itself. The game caters to the latter these days with the low population and stupid “features” (awacs) that make it even easier for peeps who select the late war monsters to take advantage of the former.
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Post by: waystin2 on August 21, 2024, 03:04:31 PM
Yep. It's still going. :aok
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Post by: IrishOne on August 22, 2024, 03:39:08 AM