General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DmonSlyr on November 12, 2024, 08:26:14 AM
Title: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 12, 2024, 08:26:14 AM
Looking at last months stats, wow. I've never seen such high K/Ds before. The TEMPEST was the 4th most used plane at 1652. Had 1,100 more kills than a 262 and had the best K/D at 6.38. Spit16, 2,794 kills with a 1.4 k/d. 190D had a 1695 kills with a 1.3K/D vs a P51d with 1981 kills and only a 1.04 k/d. La7 had 1423 kills with a 1.4 k/d. The 109k hit over a 2 k/d with over 1k kills! The p47M had a 1.88 k/d with over 1k kills.
Realize that we had 17,376 less deaths and 16,068 less kills this October vs last October. Last October the Tempest only had 1,184 kills with a 5.58 k/d.
In any case, flying high and timid in easy mode planes really isn't doing much to help the game. The constant ganging in these planes is very tough for players. If majority of players are in these planes, it's certainly not helping noobs.
The Tempest especially needs a higher perk value. It's becoming way too over used as a crutch for players to run and pick the cycle just forces more players to fly this way which is a boring and slow gameplay.
I think it would go a long way for veteran players especially to get out of the Temps, 190Ds, spit16s, and La7s and make the arena more inviting for fights instead of pick, run, and gang, in my easy mode later war cannon machine.
Just saying. :bolt:
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nrshida on November 12, 2024, 08:44:45 AM
Why not have a three-monthly perk clearance?
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Molsman on November 12, 2024, 09:48:36 AM
But I like my D9 I can play low in it and it BnZ
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Dadtallica on November 12, 2024, 09:52:46 AM
$15
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 12, 2024, 11:00:57 AM
Trust me when I tell you that a 1.3% increase in kill ratios with the Tempest over prior October with way less #s overall is NOT a good thing. You are boring people to sleep.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on November 12, 2024, 11:02:58 AM
Yup kids can use their 15 as they want. The game can't control it. Those that like competing can't control it. It is what it is. As long as we fly in a game that let's folks jave access to ALL of the planes, it will be that way.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 12, 2024, 11:04:59 AM
Yup kids can use their 15 as they want. The game can't control it. Those that like competing can't control it. It is what it is. As long as we fly in a game that let's folks jave access to ALL of the planes, it will be that way.
I would highly advise and recommend that you and all of convince Hitech to increase the perk cost for a Tempest. It's not good that this plane is in the top 4 plane usage with the highest K/D in the game. I've been doing this a long time Shuffler :old: all I can do is speak out
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on November 12, 2024, 11:05:55 AM
I would highly advise and recommend that you and all of convince Hitech to increase the perk cost for a Tempest. It's not good that this plane is in the top 4 plane usage with the highest K/D in the game. I've been doing this a long time Shuffler :old: all I can do is speak out
Truth
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: waystin2 on November 12, 2024, 11:20:31 AM
The only NOOB planes are the ones we have mastered and continue to fly. I daresay we all have NOOB planes. :aok
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 12, 2024, 11:25:55 AM
Increase the perk cost. Fix the radar.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: flippz on November 12, 2024, 03:10:58 PM
Trust me when I tell you that a 1.3% increase in kill ratios with the Tempest over prior October with way less #s overall is NOT a good thing. You are boring people to sleep.
Have seen cmex and lazer in those planes a lot this past few weeks. With their skill they alone will move the numbers. The others that are flying them are just using them to get away from fights and ho.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shrike on November 12, 2024, 04:27:18 PM
Just an idea. Perhaps veteran players could profile a plane, with tips and tricks, and include a community challenge to increase the monthly kills for the plane. The AK's have a squad night challenge called the double down. We select a plane with very few kills and try to double the kills for that plane. For example, if a plane has 4 kills for the month we try to end the night with 4 additional kills.
The F4F only has 4 kills this month. Challenge!!! Get 30 kills in the F4F before Saturday. Tip: find a good furball and take a squad mate in a Corsair to counter any pickers.
Daily challenge, weekend challenge, ect.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Max on November 12, 2024, 04:42:15 PM
Have seen cmex and lazer in those planes a lot this past few weeks. With their skill they alone will move the numbers. The others that are flying them are just using them to get away from fights and ho.
I fly them into hordes, and turnfight with them. I have quite a few kills more in other plane subsets also.
I also don't fly in a squad that flys these planes and others like them timidly more often than not..
Kind of relying on myself..
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on November 12, 2024, 09:14:00 PM
Give noobs a big perk bonus for joining ?
Say 500 perks or 1000.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: flippz on November 12, 2024, 09:38:48 PM
I fly them into hordes, and turnfight with them. I have quite a few kills more in other plane subsets also.
I also don't fly in a squad that flys these planes and others like them timidly more often than not..
Kind of relying on myself..
Yeah for sure. I was with you one night against the horde. Was just saying you and cmex have excellent skills and deadly accuracy so you two alone can move the numbers. The rest like I said just use them for ho birds and to run once they loose the advantage.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Dadtallica on November 12, 2024, 10:56:59 PM
Yeah for sure. I was with you one night against the horde. Was just saying you and cmex have excellent skills and deadly accuracy so you two alone can move the numbers. The rest like I said just use them for ho birds and to run once they loose the advantage.
Mine has unlimited ammo too I've been told
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nrshida on November 13, 2024, 06:55:06 AM
Just replace the present system adapted to the now disproportionate number of long term-players with (20,000+ perks I should imagine) by putting a limited lifespan on perks. Then there'd be an incentive to those that want them which would balance gameplay.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on November 13, 2024, 07:07:42 AM
Just replace the present system adapted to the now disproportionate number of long term-players with (20,000+ perks I should imagine) by putting a limited lifespan on perks. Then there'd be an incentive to those that want them which would balance gameplay.
Then you would really see timid flyers. I have always told folks to not worry about perks. Just fly and perks happen. They build in the background. If they reset, folks will really be all about the perk. LOL
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Eagler on November 13, 2024, 07:35:00 AM
The more experienced the player the more expensive (perks) it should cost to fly a late war plane..
ALL late war planes should cost some perks to all of us but the newbie subscribers imo..and they should not be cheap..
Eagler
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nrshida on November 13, 2024, 07:43:00 AM
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ACE on November 13, 2024, 09:10:08 AM
FWIW thank you violator for atleast standing up for the BEST part of this game all these years. Wish I had more time to play. I pop in from time to time. Just isn’t as fun anymore. No one wants to go to the DA. No one really fights 1v1 they just run. I can’t be bothered flying 190d p51 etc.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: save on November 13, 2024, 09:27:28 AM
The one thing that improve high-ENY planes the most is to get rid of the ridiculous AWACS-radar in AH today. Not even state art AWACS have look-through mountain capability.
I flew ENY20+ planes 90% of my time in AH before they introduced the new radar, and had a good K/D in most planes I flew. With the new radar it was either to stop flying the planes I liked, or get slaughtered vs good players in hotshot planes who never have to look around anymore, or even use the instant radar as a way of dog fighting, or as I did - I took my business elsewhere.
The Main Arena now is like a Satellite AWACS not even the US currently have access to, populated with WWII planes.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 13, 2024, 10:38:04 AM
The one thing that improve high-ENY planes the most is to get rid of the ridiculous AWACS-radar in AH today. Not even state art AWACS have look-through mountain capability.
I flew ENY20+ planes 90% of my time in AH before they introduced the new radar, and had a good K/D in most planes I flew. With the new radar it was either to stop flying the planes I liked, or get slaughtered vs good players in hotshot planes who never have to look around anymore, or even use the instant radar as a way of dog fighting, or as I did - I took my business elsewhere.
The Main Arena now is like a Satellite AWACS not even the US currently have access to, populated with WWII planes.
AWACS has been the single worst “upgrade” the game has ever experienced. I understand the reason it was implemented but the unintended consequences have made it a total failure on multiple levels.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 13, 2024, 10:56:20 AM
AWACS has been the single worst “upgrade” the game has ever experienced. I understand the reason it was implemented but the unintended consequences have made it a total failure on multiple levels.
Yeah, should be adjusted, and I just can't figure out the whole kill messages thing either. Like why should all anonymity be removed as soon as I get a kill?, especially with Awacs dar..
But, back on point. The Tempest should be used to enter hoards as a lone wolf like Lazer said. NOT flying to a field that's already being over ran by your team so you can help gang a field of defenders...
I'd like to see many of the other planes being used. Consistently the main planes I see in the MA are 190Ds, Yak3s, and Spit16s, with a rising Temp usage. With so many other types of planes, why not trying something a little more challenging? It will be better for the game overall.
FWIW thank you violator for atleast standing up for the BEST part of this game all these years. Wish I had more time to play. I pop in from time to time. Just isn’t as fun anymore. No one wants to go to the DA. No one really fights 1v1 they just run. I can’t be bothered flying 190d p51 etc.
:aok
Fancy seeing you around! Yeah, the lack of true ACM skill and ability to turn fight and get down and dirty is very sparce these days. Not sure why no one wants to take it to the next level and learn some important defense skills. Its crazy to me to see a Spit16 BnZ me and then fly away and not even finish attacking me. I see that all of the time in P51s and 190Ds so that's why I made this post to altleast see if I can get more folks to try mid war planes and fight in them and learn there is more to pressing X and BnZing to get kills.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Banshee7 on November 13, 2024, 11:03:58 AM
I don't think plane choice is as much of an issue as the only-fight-in-numbers crowd (which was also made worse with AWACS). Most of the players left only fight when they have at least 2-3 guys to help them. Apparently flying planes and using tactics to counter that is also frowned upon...
So, at the end of the day, just accept the fact that nothing is going to change for the duration of AH3 and continue flying what and how you want. :aok
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on November 13, 2024, 11:24:57 AM
AWACS has been the single worst “upgrade” the game has ever experienced. I understand the reason it was implemented but the unintended consequences have made it a total failure on multiple levels.
Have to say I have only been back a week and like the new proximity info we now get.
Easier to find the fight and not get ganged or picked :aok.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on November 13, 2024, 11:30:57 AM
I don't think plane choice is as much of an issue as the only-fight-in-numbers crowd (which was also made worse with AWACS). Most of the players left only fight when they have at least 2-3 guys to help them. Apparently flying planes and using tactics to counter that is also frowned upon...
So, at the end of the day, just accept the fact that nothing is going to change for the duration of AH3 and continue flying what and how you want. :aok
This in a nutshell. No game updates or change in player behavior. It’s been a good run. Find fun where you can.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on November 13, 2024, 12:12:31 PM
Wish I had more time to play. I pop in from time to time.
All hail McSpek! Thane of the outside toilet and that little gravelly patch next to the garden shed. I'd be in the DA too but I also got tired of waiting for people to show up. Was even worse in my daytime.
FWIW thank you violator for atleast standing up for the BEST part of this game all these years.
Yes, seconded, ONYA Violator for keeping up the effort. :salute
Maybe we could integrate recent events to see what happens when you push the victory-motif to the limit. It's not healthy. Not for the game and certainly not for yourself. Very very few AH players have actually experienced meaningful injury for getting shot down. Who cares? The thing I miss the third-most about AH is the amount of players willing to risk everything just to see if they could, and if they couldn't then leave really good looking flying on the ahf films of their opponent.
When you quit trying to push yourself in an immediately-replaceable cartoon aircraft, then you die inside a little bit more. Score doesn't register that.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on November 13, 2024, 12:38:54 PM
All hail McSpek! Thane of the outside toilet and that little gravelly patch next to the garden shed. I'd be in the DA too but I also got tired of waiting for people to show up. Was even worse in my daytime.
Yes, seconded, ONYA Violator for keeping up the effort. :salute
Maybe we could integrate recent events to see what happens when you push the victory-motif to the limit. It's not healthy. Not for the game and certainly not for yourself. Very very few AH players have actually experienced meaningful injury for getting shot down. Who cares? The thing I miss the third-most about AH is the amount of players willing to risk everything just to see if they could, and if they couldn't then leave really good looking flying on the ahf films of their opponent.
When you quit trying to push yourself in an immediately-replaceable cartoon aircraft, then you die inside a little bit more. Score doesn't register that.
This sounds amazing !! I wish I had some idea about what any of it means :D
Is it some high level Zen that I have to climb a mountain in my mind to comprehend and then look down on the nature of the self ?
Personally I often like to lose myself in the war effort while still attending to increasing my skills. That fella in the "Battle of The Bulge" explains it to his corporal servant. No we will not win the war but we can stay in uniform and keep fighting. We win one war in the certainty that we will then be able to fight in the next. "Only the dead have seen the end of war"
I think Zack is coming to level this edifice that is being created :D
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 13, 2024, 12:45:10 PM
Have to say I have only been back a week and like the new proximity info we now get.
Easier to find the fight and not get ganged or picked :aok.
Easier to find a fight…maybe.
But it definitely makes it easier to get picked, encourages ganging, makes SA an unnecessary skill, singles out bombers and goons, and encourages people to select planes like Tempests in the hangar so they can break off and reset before any enemy is even in icon range.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on November 13, 2024, 12:50:41 PM
But it definitely makes it easier to get picked, encourages ganging, makes SA an unnecessary skill, singles out bombers and goons, and encourages people to select planes like Tempests in the hangar so they can break off and reset before any enemy is even in icon range.
I think it speeds up the action. Yes it does make ganging etc easier but don't we just build that into our SA. No one wants to fly around for half an hour without action. In DCS that can be standard but it is easy to find action in AH.
Picking, ganging etc still seem to me to be a function of SA and SA depends on the information which is the same for everyone.
You can fly a high 51 pick and run and get 2 kills an hour if you are that sort or get down and dirty and get 4 kills in 5 minutes if you are good enough.
I think 51 is a good plane to learn in as you don't have to just keep getting killed and can watch the action.
I like to fly older planes they are a challenge. Land 3 kills in a Hurri 1 for example.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ACE on November 13, 2024, 01:02:34 PM
Yeah, should be adjusted, and I just can't figure out the whole kill messages thing either. Like why should all anonymity be removed as soon as I get a kill?, especially with Awacs dar..
But, back on point. The Tempest should be used to enter hoards as a lone wolf like Lazer said. NOT flying to a field that's already being over ran by your team so you can help gang a field of defenders...
I'd like to see many of the other planes being used. Consistently the main planes I see in the MA are 190Ds, Yak3s, and Spit16s, with a rising Temp usage. With so many other types of planes, why not trying something a little more challenging? It will be better for the game overall.
:aok
Fancy seeing you around! Yeah, the lack of true ACM skill and ability to turn fight and get down and dirty is very sparce these days. Not sure why no one wants to take it to the next level and learn some important defense skills. Its crazy to me to see a Spit16 BnZ me and then fly away and not even finish attacking me. I see that all of the time in P51s and 190Ds so that's why I made this post to altleast see if I can get more folks to try mid war planes and fight in them and learn there is more to pressing X and BnZing to get kills.
Yeah I see what you’re saying. It’s just not as fun like that. I always preferred going in around maybe 5K in a 152. Flaps out low and slow with that plane is the most fun challenge I ever undertook in the MA.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on November 13, 2024, 01:08:56 PM
Yeah I see what you’re saying. It’s just not as fun like that. I always preferred going in around maybe 5K in a 152. Flaps out low and slow with that plane is the most fun challenge I ever undertook in the MA.
I remember you :D
Bleedin trouble maker :aok
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 13, 2024, 01:18:40 PM
I think it speeds up the action. Yes it does make ganging etc easier but don't we just build that into our SA. No one wants to fly around for half an hour without action. In DCS that can be standard but it is easy to find action in AH.
Picking, ganging etc still seem to me to be a function of SA and SA depends on the information which is the same for everyone.
You can fly a high 51 pick and run and get 2 kills an hour if you are that sort or get down and dirty and if you are good enough get 4 kills in 5 minutes if you are good enough.
I have never had to fly around for a half hour looking for a fight in the history of the MA unless I was trying to start a fight where there wasn’t one. Darbar was/is sufficient. No one believes that making radar towers relevant again is going to stop picking and ganging. But it will make it a little less easy to cherry pick fights that benefit timid pilots as well as possibly bringing back some of the earlier model aircraft diversity.
The compromise, in my opinion, is to have AWACS available in the hangar but not in flight. It allows you to find the fight but still makes keeping your head on a swivel a component of combat.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on November 13, 2024, 01:29:19 PM
I have never had to fly around for a half hour looking for a fight in the history of the MA unless I was trying to start a fight where there wasn’t one. Darbar was/is sufficient. No one believes that making radar towers relevant again is going to stop picking and ganging. But it will make it a little less easy to cherry pick fights that benefit timid pilots as well as possibly bringing back some of the earlier model aircraft diversity.
The compromise, in my opinion, is to have AWACS available in the hangar but not in flight. It allows you to find the fight but still makes keeping your head on a swivel a component of combat.
I have to agree for fidelity to the reality you are right but many of us just don't have the ability to mind map the situation well enough without the AWACS as you call it but the clipboard makes the situation understandable. Its a personal preference I guess and levels the playing field. Its about accessibility I suppose to the greatest number of subscribers but it is less realistic.
Its a bit like Icons v Dots only.
However the people with innate fighter pilot skills need some one to shoot at :D
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nrshida on November 13, 2024, 01:37:40 PM
Have seen cmex and lazer in those planes a lot this past few weeks. With their skill they alone will move the numbers. The others that are flying them are just using them to get away from fights and ho.
cmex is back ..... no way....lol.. if he wasn't a shade before returning it won't take him long before he is destroying everyone in his Niki ... welcome back cmex !
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 13, 2024, 06:31:37 PM
cmex is back ..... no way....lol.. if he wasn't a shade before returning it won't take him long before he is destroying everyone in his Niki ... welcome back cmex !
From what I could see the other night, he hasn't lost a step. If he gets a shot, bad things happen.
Wiley.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nrshida on November 14, 2024, 01:33:24 PM
He should forced to play his game at least 6 hour per week. Then maybe we’d get a change or two.
:aok
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: icepac on November 15, 2024, 04:27:29 PM
KOTH was my first experience here.....and I got shot down by Spek in a c202.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Lazerr on November 15, 2024, 05:01:18 PM
I think its safe to say that it's HOW people are flying these days, not WHAT they are in. At least to a large extent. You can fly a tempest/262/190 very aggressive, people just take the easy road and run more often than not.
I'm not going to put myself in a lesser plane because 90% of the remaining player base is scared to merge with even a c47.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Banshee7 on November 15, 2024, 05:10:45 PM
I think its safe to say that it's HOW people are flying these days, not WHAT they are in. At least to a large extent. You can fly a tempest/262/190 very aggressive, people just take the easy road and run more often than not.
I'm not going to put myself in a lesser plane because 90% of the remaining player base is scared to merge with even a c47.
Right. "Let me fly my EW/MW plane into a horde of red with zero teammates coming to help just to see how long I can last before I die because it's all about the fight." I'll pass.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Lazerr on November 15, 2024, 05:42:04 PM
Right. "Let me fly my EW/MW plane into a horde of red with zero teammates coming to help just to see how long I can last before I die because it's all about the fight." I'll pass.
Yeah it's all about the situation too, all furballs/large forces fighting for a base have different sets of circumstances.
I have different moods too, sometimes I want to roll and kill everything, sometimes I want the challenge of everyone diving on a fat p38.
Nothing being posted here is going to change the habits of what we have left in the MA. Adjust or accept are about your only options.
Different folks, different strokes. Most of these people have been here a long time, and a knife fight in a phone booth isn't what they are looking for. It's very obvious when you get them in a position where they HAVE to fight.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Oldman731 on November 15, 2024, 10:30:02 PM
Right. "Let me fly my EW/MW plane into a horde of red with zero teammates coming to help just to see how long I can last before I die because it's all about the fight." I'll pass.
It's how I live my virtual life. Puts you to the test of how well you can fly, lets you learn new aeroplanes, and occasionally gives you a kill. Much fun, give it a try some time!
- oldman
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Dadtallica on November 16, 2024, 08:32:13 AM
I think its safe to say that it's HOW people are flying these days, not WHAT they are in. At least to a large extent. You can fly a tempest/262/190 very aggressive, people just take the easy road and run more often than not.
I'm not going to put myself in a lesser plane because 90% of the remaining player base is scared to merge with even a c47.
I’ve been out turned by C47. :(
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 16, 2024, 04:06:21 PM
I think its safe to say that it's HOW people are flying these days, not WHAT they are in. At least to a large extent. You can fly a tempest/262/190 very aggressive, people just take the easy road and run more often than not.
I'm not going to put myself in a lesser plane because 90% of the remaining player base is scared to merge with even a c47.
Well it does matter because HOW they fight is abled due to their top level plane. A tougher plane means one cannot use that HOW so much and must depend on using other skills in the situation to survive which makes the game more fun for the other side. (But who cares about that all that).
I certainly understand the 0 teammates thing while both sides of your country is being gang. Thats not really what I'm talking about. I'm more concerned with these planes being used in abundance while attacking and hoarding already. Where there is no sense in flying these top level planes. They are being overused from an attacking POV against teams with very little defense and it makes not wanting to defend at all.
I know it may not do much, but I'm trying to encourage players to fly mid war planes for the good of the game and to help boost your own skills a little bit by learning better tactics and not feeding into the BnZ and run slow boring gameplay tactics that have taken over.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on November 16, 2024, 06:26:53 PM
Everyone wants change.... but no one wants to change. Don't blame the game.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: dieter on November 17, 2024, 12:40:18 AM
How's this for an idea; do away with perks. Give EVERYONE a limited number of the uber fighters a month, and limit the maximum kills they can score in a month in all of the uber fighters. Say one 262 per month, 5 tempests, 8 pony d's, 8 -4 Corsairs, 8 190 D-9's, etc. They would certainly not be in the arena as much. Give unlimited Spit V's , 109G-2's, etc. This would ensure there would be turn fights with minimal running and picking. limit altitude around the forward edge of a battle area, say 10k max, above that BRUTAL down winds. around strats, let it go up to 20 Kft. But most importantly, go back to dot dar for everything, and below 100 feet above ground level, nobody can see a plane, on either side.
Same approach for tanks, uber tanks only get so many per month, and only so many kills in ubers. Make an uber arena, unlimited altitude, any fighter, any time. Just a thought.
Dieter
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: icepac on November 17, 2024, 05:52:38 AM
Give me brutal winds and I will figure out a way to harness them.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on November 17, 2024, 07:58:25 AM
Everyones wants everyone else to change so they don’t have to. All the 100s of ideas prolly just won’t happen.
Old saying “when someone decides to volunteer to lay in my coffin for me I’ll live the way they want me to” since thats not going to happen …<shrug>
That said, everyone has good intensions.
But when it comes down to it, ya gotta bend for the game, not the game bend for you, otherwise it will go in 100 different directions to please each one.
- the village idiot
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Kini on November 17, 2024, 07:59:46 AM
This - Everyones wants everyone else to change so they don’t have to. All the 100s of ideas prolly just won’t happen. That said, everyone has good intensions. But when it comes down to it, ya gotta bend for the game, not the game bend for you, otherwise it will go in 100 different directions to please each one.
- the village idiot
I think at this point the most that can be hoped for would be changes to existing settings that can be adjusted, such as the side switch timer, night duration, downtimes and resupply mechanics. And even this is unlikely, so it comes down to new/reworked maps and skins as being the only potential additions/changes.
Having said that, removing some of the maps, and tweaking a few others, would go a long way towards improving some gameplay.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on November 17, 2024, 12:22:34 PM
I think at this point the most that can be hoped for would be changes to existing settings that can be adjusted, such as the side switch timer, night duration, downtimes and resupply mechanics. And even this is unlikely, so it comes down to new/reworked maps and skins as being the only potential additions/changes.
Having said that, removing some of the maps, and tweaking a few others, would go a long way towards improving some gameplay.
I think everyone has a different concept of gameplay. Getting numbers up changes a lot. Gameplay with 112 is a different than 130. Once they cross 120 things start popping. <shrug>
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nrshida on November 17, 2024, 01:26:36 PM
Has this thread mutated into "Get out of the timid gameplay because you have more fun (and so does everyone else) when you stop worrying about dying"?
It's probably not as catchy.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: icepac on November 17, 2024, 03:12:07 PM
What's "MNM"?
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: MDStampf93 on November 17, 2024, 03:40:52 PM
Some year back I scored 2 P51 kills in a C47. They were trying to kill me on the deck. Just never give up.
No-one would see you take off with old radar in a C47, or any other plane for that matter, now you're spotted by the time you are gear-up far away from the front even. Before it gave you a chance closing in on your destination, without detection.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 18, 2024, 10:42:43 AM
No-one would see you take off with old radar in a C47, or any other plane for that matter, now you're spotted by the time you are gear-up far away from the front even. Before it gave you a chance closing in on your destination, without detection.
Yep. Magic radar has made goons useless. Flying takes longer than driving and any chance of sneaking in is pretty much nil. Meanwhile M3s can just park under a tree for hours and you can’t find them.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: GasTeddy on November 18, 2024, 02:57:50 PM
Why not have some maps with year restriction? Like for example "ETO 1942" using planes used 1942 or so? That would be pleasant for those, who want to fly early or mid=war kites and avoid übersuper ones diving from stratosphere.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: LilMak on November 18, 2024, 03:55:04 PM
Why not have some maps with year restriction? Like for example "ETO 1942" using planes used 1942 or so? That would be pleasant for those, who want to fly early or mid=war kites and avoid übersuper ones diving from stratosphere.
I’d be down for that along with a fair amount of others but it think we’re in the minority. Again, it’s probably not going to stop any of the timid game play but least it would be refreshing to see something other than the typical Yak3, Tempest, P-51 parade.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on November 18, 2024, 04:04:15 PM
Bring back Mid War :D
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: nopoop on November 18, 2024, 04:57:34 PM
Midwar will only have pilots go to the uber plane of the time frame...
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Dadtallica on November 18, 2024, 05:25:40 PM
How's this for an idea; do away with perks. Give EVERYONE a limited number of the uber fighters a month, and limit the maximum kills they can score in a month in all of the uber fighters. Say one 262 per month, 5 tempests, 8 pony d's, 8 -4 Corsairs, 8 190 D-9's, etc. They would certainly not be in the arena as much. Give unlimited Spit V's , 109G-2's, etc. This would ensure there would be turn fights with minimal running and picking. limit altitude around the forward edge of a battle area, say 10k max, above that BRUTAL down winds. around strats, let it go up to 20 Kft. But most importantly, go back to dot dar for everything, and below 100 feet above ground level, nobody can see a plane, on either side.
Same approach for tanks, uber tanks only get so many per month, and only so many kills in ubers. Make an uber arena, unlimited altitude, any fighter, any time. Just a thought.
Dieter
I dont fly the pony then I quit. only reason I have a paid membership. no pony, no money.
semp
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: trogdor on November 25, 2024, 09:47:44 AM
How about making the cost of a perked plane a rate, rather than a flat fee? And have the rate apply whether or not you land the sortie.
That is to say, you would be spending perks for as long as you fly a perked plane (like a taxi meter). Of course, you would still earn perks for destroying other aircraft. Such a scheme would penalize timid play (low Kills/time tactics) while rewarding more aggressive play. The perk-cost rates could be scaled using the existing ENY system.
Done properly, you would spend fewer perks on a sortie in which you aggressively engaged in combat and lost a fight than one in which you avoided fights and accomplished little.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Oldman731 on November 25, 2024, 09:53:12 AM
Midwar will only have pilots go to the uber plane of the time frame...
I think that is some what of a fallacy. The Uber plane of midwar I believe is the P38j. If I'm not mistaken. Though it was taken down a notch it feels after the last surprising P38 update. The 190A5 perhaps second, but a P47D25 can give it a run (is that midwar?). In anycase, they aren't "as Uber" as the difference between a 109G14 vs a Temp let's say. Midwar planes have a lot more relative speeds and dives and would in a sense tighten up the furballs and battles. You'd probably see a lot more different types of planes as well. Just like going to WW1 planes makes them very very tight. My point is that Midwar creates better battles because there isn't as big of separation in the plane performances like there is Latewar. You have to get closer to get kills and can't just speed away as easily when you overshoot.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: guncrasher on November 25, 2024, 01:05:09 PM
The 190A5 perhaps second, but a P47D25 can give it a run (is that midwar?). In anycase, they aren't "
Violator, the D25 is classified as late-war, unfortunately. The D11 is mid-war. When I realized I was relatively close (about 500 kills) to the "get 2500 kills in a mid-war plane", I had to do a tiny bit of research on the plane information pages to pick out a decent mid-war ride. I thought a D25 would be the ticket, but since we (the US) were latecomers to the scene, most of our heavy metal birds are considered mid or late war. Luckily, I was able to transition to the D11 fairly easily, and it's been a decent ride. Rear visibility is sorely lacking, but it's still a jug! :joystick:
30 kills away... :airplane:
:salute
-HlyWd
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: CAV on December 02, 2024, 11:49:00 PM
"GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES"
I started combat Flight Sims back in AW in the early 90s...
The only system That I have seen that works is.....
Rollin Plane Sets, Some will hate it, but it works and is best for keeping FSOs and scenarios alive. And make better over all players in the game.
It also opens up a lot more planes to add to the plane. (If that was ever to happen again)
CAV
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: icepac on December 03, 2024, 04:32:02 AM
The newest planes of the arena date only available from rear fields for the first few hours of availability. Then they are available at any field.
The KI44 might be better than the p38g.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2024, 08:32:47 AM
Just a thought to ponder
A plane is only as uber as the pilot. This stuff where 109s are substandard compared to a 51 is more of an argument by date. Seeing how I fly the iconic 51 most times, the plane that has probably killed me the most are 109s.
I may fly the 51 the most, most my kills are prolly in the A5.
Its not so much the model as it is who pilots it.
A newbie in a 51 is not much to worry about and it helps balance different skill levels, even if slight.
Ya wanna a newbie to be forced to fly a more substandard plane, get his clock ckeaned too much to learn anything, gets frustrated and leaves.
Wanna know how to fight an @uber” plane? Learn it.
51 BnZ 109 TnB
They are different mindsets. 51 was not built to TnB, nor the 109 to BnZ. If a 109 catches a slow 51 he prolly going to own it, and vice versa in the opposite.
Ya can’t win every situation and no planes should be dumbed down to make it so.
Using a 109 for HOs with nose guns and potato rounds is kinda uber dweebish.
All this IMO
I think the plane-set is fine as is. Nit-picking any game is normal, in every game.
Some of this nit-picking is small beans snd just tells me everything else major is ok.
Ya want numbers? Offer help, not insults. :) <runs>
That said, a 109 pot was complaining about 51 guns in a scenario.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 03, 2024, 08:59:08 AM
I started combat Flight Sims back in AW in the early 90s...
The only system That I have seen that works is.....
Rollin Plane Sets, Some will hate it, but it works and is best for keeping FSOs and scenarios alive. And make better over all players in the game.
It also opens up a lot more planes to add to the plane. (If that was ever to happen again)
CAV
Rolling plane set is great for FSO and special events and I agree it makes for better fights, but wouldn't work in the MA, you'd have to structure maps by the years as you wouldn't want early war on a huge map, that was half my issue with mid war and early war arenas back then, the map was too damn big for those slower planes and it made it look like there was no action going on and people wouldn't stick around. Should have used some smaller custom made maps.
I could respond to the rest, but don't really have time unfortunately, but I'll stick to this quote.
While that is generally correct, it doesn't matter how good a pilot is if they are in a older plane vs an equal pilot in a newer plane. If both pilots are equal, the plane absolutely does matter, along with positional awareness. Plane capability makes a huge difference, it's why they never stopped trying to make planes faster and faster.
Also, it's about the Situational Awareness as well. A good pilot in a very slow plane isn't going to be able to out run the 3 190Ds and 2 Yaks coming to gang. You have to be much smarter about planning your attack and getting out of the fight. A tempest on the other hand, you can dive in and make mistakes with SA and press X immediately if you get too slow, and most planes still aren't going to be able to catch you.
IMO, decent sticks in less super late war planes will make the game much better for noobs. A noob fighting a vet where both are in spit 16 negates any plane advantage a noob may have.
Too many Tempest being used does not help noobs. It was once again a top 5 killer last tour. It needs to be perked much higher. Fast planes like a 190D with 500 cannons need to be 5 or 6 eny atleast. These types of planes make fights very boring because BnZ is a boring style of gameplay. Generally Noobs aren't going to have fun fighting 190D BnZ and Tempest when they are already disadvantaged and defending a base anyway.
I wouldn't recommend a P51 to a newb. They aren't goon enough at aiming to be effective with the 50 cals. And they aren't good enough when they get too slow and planes jump on them, that's one reason why the K/D is so much lower than a 190D. A 190D is better for a noob to learn. However they should understand that theres a time for attack planes and a time for defense planes, so they should also learn a Ki84 or spit8-16 to understand how to properly defend bases as well. If they only fly a P51 or 190D trying to defend, they aren't going to be very successful with that either.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Banshee7 on December 03, 2024, 09:20:00 AM
You guys keep mentioning newbs. What newbs are you talking about??
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: The Fugitive on December 03, 2024, 09:22:30 AM
Interesting. In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims. And it was very, very few of them.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2024, 09:29:57 AM
Rolling plane set is great for FSO and special events and I agree it makes for better fights, but wouldn't work in the MA, you'd have to structure maps by the years as you wouldn't want early war on a huge map, that was half my issue with mid war and early war arenas back then, the map was too damn big for those slower planes and it made it look like there was no action going on and people wouldn't stick around. Should have used some smaller custom made maps.
I could respond to the rest, but don't really have time unfortunately, but I'll stick to this quote.
While that is generally correct, it doesn't matter how good a pilot is if they are in a older plane vs an equal pilot in a newer plane. If both pilots are equal, the plane absolutely does matter, along with positional awareness. Plane capability makes a huge difference, it's why they never stopped trying to make planes faster and faster.
Also, it's about the Situational Awareness as well. A good pilot in a very slow plane isn't going to be able to out run the 3 190Ds and 2 Yaks coming to gang. You have to be much smarter about planning your attack and getting out of the fight. A tempest on the other hand, you can dive in and make mistakes with SA and press X immediately if you get too slow, and most planes still aren't going to be able to catch you.
IMO, decent sticks in less super late war planes will make the game much better for noobs. A noob fighting a vet where both are in spit 16 negates any plane advantage a noob may have.
Too many Tempest being used does not help noobs. It was once again a top 5 killer last tour. It needs to be perked much higher. Fast planes like a 190D with 500 cannons need to be 5 or 6 eny atleast. These types of planes make fights very boring because BnZ is a boring style of gameplay. Generally Noobs aren't going to have fun fighting 190D BnZ and Tempest when they are already disadvantaged and defending a base anyway.
I wouldn't recommend a P51 to a newb. They aren't goon enough at aiming to be effective with the 50 cals. And they aren't good enough when they get too slow and planes jump on them, that's one reason why the K/D is so much lower than a 190D. A 190D is better for a noob to learn. However they should understand that theres a time for attack planes and a time for defense planes, so they should also learn a Ki84 or spit8-16 to understand how to properly defend bases as well. If they only fly a P51 or 190D trying to defend, they aren't going to be very successful with that either.
Just keeping the response short. The P-51, Spitfire, B-17, B-29, Corsair, maybe 109s are big sellers because so iconic. Most replies from 51 jockies say the same. Ya have to make them available to those who are here for that reason. What draws players and how plane-set works to vets are conflicting arguments.
It was never fair play plane-sets in real war.
What clears this up to me is why events are very important, to quench that thirst. Since early AW, the MA is just for practice for events. Not enough events? Get involved and make it happen.
Drums up interest in FSOs, revive Combat Challenge, AvA. IMO, there lays half your answer. :) <S>
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shane on December 03, 2024, 09:34:30 AM
Rolling plane set is great for FSO and special events and I agree it makes for better fights, but wouldn't work in the MA, you'd have to structure maps by the years as you wouldn't want early war on a huge map, that was half my issue with mid war and early war arenas back then, the map was too damn big for those slower planes and it made it look like there was no action going on and people wouldn't stick around. Should have used some smaller custom made maps.
AH has always had this kind of a playground - it just needs attention by some interested and authorized person. The AvA (Combat Theatre) was a great plane to learn axis and allied rides against their contemporaries. I spent quite a bit of time there. It was far from being ideal, but many fun fights were had. FSO kind of fills this niche but it's limited in both scope and access.
I dunno about AH3 maps, but AH 1 and 2 had a bunch of good maps and it didn't really revolve around "map wins" but rather weekly plane matchups - which might have been why many MA hamstards had no interest in it.
As it stands now, the AvA is a barren wasteland that has zero appeal and should be made free (with maybe early/mid war planeset) or removed from the arena lineup (SEAs serve the FSO and Scenarios.)
The AvA had weekly matchups and sometimes even went into a semi-rolling planeset or some what if's.
The below is a sampling of the rides I used when it was active.
Interesting. In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims. And it was very, very few of them.
Are you even still playing AH or just licking the window from outside?
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Banshee7 on December 03, 2024, 09:39:58 AM
Interesting. In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims. And it was very, very few of them.
That may be your observation. However, a few of us have been helping newbs get up and running, so we know there IS a trickle of new.
Not only are the main population is long term seasoned vets make the steep learning curve harder, therefore retaining them is harder. The skill level differences between vet and new is too wide. This has to change to retain the newbs. This is why some of us say help not insult. This change in attitude is desired. Ya can’t belittle the term Newbie snd wonder why ya can’t retain them.
If one player cost us 10 players they gotta go. They aren’t worth the trouble. Take the mic away from them, or dhort the life span of the game. Pick one.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shane on December 03, 2024, 09:40:41 AM
No, just tired of weebz like you passively-aggressively humping AHs ankle because you got butthurt.
Are you... playing... or just window licking? Interesting how you dance around a simple straight forward question.
If you had any sense about yourself (which we know you don't), you would know the answer. I am not playing, but I am still paying for my account, which is doing just as much as you to keep this game alive. Kinda crazy isn't it? I would actually venture to say I'm doing more to keep this game alive considering the amount of negativity surrounded by your name. You keep trying to paint a narrative on me that couldn't be farther from the truth, and it simply makes you an annoying "weeb" as you would say. What about me making a statement about newbs is passive-aggressive? Anyone with a brain knows that "newbs" make up an extremely small percentage of the players left, so why focus on the 1-2%ers?
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shane on December 03, 2024, 10:26:28 AM
I see. If your boi, YKW, can sneak back in with vpn shades, you could at least stop in and offer him some support now and then. Maybe even offer to help these occasional newbies (and more are showing up every day actually, both new and returning) by passing along the "tips" you got from him.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Banshee7 on December 03, 2024, 10:36:02 AM
Who's to say I haven't been doing that in the Match Play and Training Arenas (because I have). Wow, another swing and a miss by Shane. That's rather embarrassing. When I was flying on a daily basis, I entered the TA before the MA if I ever saw even 1 person in there. Funny...I've never seen you in there? I've only seen you causing trouble in the MA.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shane on December 03, 2024, 10:43:20 AM
Who's to say I haven't been doing that in the Match Play and Training Arenas (because I have). Wow, another swing and a miss by Shane. That's rather embarrassing. Funny...I've never seen you in there? I've only seen you causing trouble in the MA.
No reason to go to matchplay in its current iteration. I'm sure you're having fun just sitting there and beating up on the occasional person who wanders in - probably a newbie that you can flex on.
But wait! Let me ask - are you "shading" in MP arena, because this is your "paying" account, which jibes with you leaving butthurt back in Sept. My last visit to MP was back in May.
But wait! Let me ask - are you "shading" in MP arena, because this is your "paying" account, which jibes with you leaving butthurt back in Sept.
I have spent time in the Training Arena since then with a different player. The player I practiced with and help in the MP Arena hasn't flown the last few months either for reasons outside of AH.
Actually, no. I was actively working with another player that requested we use the Match Play Arena because there's actual damage.
I have spent time in the Training Arena since then with a different player. The player I practiced with and help in the MP Arena hasn't flown the last few months either for reasons outside of AH.
Yeah, we watched how your visit to the MP went. Talk about weaksauce :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :ahand
Just give up, dude. You're embarrassing yourself like you have been for months.
Redundant 1v1's - which is okay for funsies at times. It really upset your boi I walked out on his weebgo, lofl. The older arena allowed one to select starting bases for desired alts and allowed some discussion while heading to opponent. You could also vary the setup where one could give up alt or position as a form of learning - the TA hasn't been good for much beyond learning the very basics with the reduced influx.
Last time banshee7 was in MP was in September? You had this to say: "Who's to say I haven't been doing that in the Match Play and Training Arenas (because I have)." Me, I'm saying, "Not in matchplay and not since you 'left.'"
Interesting how weebz like you try and misrepresent situations. Kind of reminiscent of your boi.
"We watched..." <---- that says so much about your weebsauce core personality - can't stand on your own (and you reek of your boi.)
Lofl, I owned your boi so hard in the MA without even trying.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2024, 01:20:56 PM
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 03, 2024, 01:43:13 PM
Perfect! Very very funny.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 03, 2024, 04:23:58 PM
Never could understand what people saw in him. He did nothing for me. :joystick:
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2024, 04:37:00 PM
Interesting. In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims. And it was very, very few of them.
Returning players can be dismayed even worse than noobs do to constantly fighting the same 3-5 planes and getting ganged by them in most sorties. Long flights to a field where your team dies and leaves you ganged as you wait 10 minutes for your team to get back... idk, just too much ganging in the easy modes, all I can say which is why i made a post to hopefully encourage people to challenge themselves
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 03, 2024, 06:07:35 PM
Returning players can be dismayed even worse than noobs do to constantly fighting the same 3-5 planes and getting ganged by them in most sorties. Long flights to a field where your team dies and leaves you ganged as you wait 10 minutes for your team to get back... idk, just too much ganging in the easy modes, all I can say which is why i made a post to hopefully encourage people to challenge themselves
I can relate to this. I’ve been back just about a year after a 16 year hiatus. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been involved in the above described scenario. I even quit last September for about 6 weeks because of that and the constant Hoing, picking and running of many of the players. Many of which have been around for decades and fly nothing but the uber planes. During that six week period I was gone I messed around with DCS and IL2 neither of which were to my liking. I think AH has the right mix of realism and game to make it fun. But yeah, it wouldn’t hurt the game if the uber sticks would challenge themselves once in awhile. Hang your arse out there. There is nothing to fear…..
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Banshee7 on December 03, 2024, 06:34:59 PM
Long flights to a field where your team dies and leaves you ganged as you wait 10 minutes for your team to get back...
I agree with you 100%. So, does it make sense why I started flying different planes such as the Dora and the TA to combat that? You should know as well as anyone that I'm not the player I have been painted to be. I have spent most of my career fighting low and slow, full flaps in planes that were not meant to be flown that way because it is a challenge. It's one of the very reasons why flying the BnZ planes and learning how to maintain my E and create advantages WAS such a challenge. THESE are the main reasons I stopped flying so much (unlike the reasons mentioned earlier in this thread). I have also flown 10 minutes to a fight, shot everyone down, and they upped to attack a different base on a different front almost as if they weren't looking for opposition. It just got to where it wasn't worth the time and effort anymore. I don't ever see the current playerbase changing their ways, man. That's all I'm saying and HAVE been complaining about for a while now.
Ya know, it's actually funny because even when I was flying with YKW, he would laugh at me for my plane choices because I still would fly the 38 or something similar like I always have.
<S>
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shane on December 03, 2024, 08:31:30 PM
But yeah, it wouldn’t hurt the game if the uber sticks would challenge themselves once in awhile. Hang your arse out there. There is nothing to fear…..
It's not the uber-sticks that need to challenge themselves - they've been there, done that, that's why they're "uber" :noid :joystick: :airplane: :ahand :neener:
It's the over reliance by mediocre sticks on those frowny-faced tactics of running, ganging, picking, hoing, etc... :aok
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 03, 2024, 09:37:41 PM
It's not the uber-sticks that need to challenge themselves - they've been there, done that, that's why they're "uber" :noid :joystick: :airplane: :ahand :neener:
It's the over reliance by mediocre sticks on those frowny-faced tactics of running, ganging, picking, hoing, etc... :aok
I get what you’re saying but I tend to agree with DmonSlyr and considering my own experience. I imagine there might some sort of fun in clubbing baby seals. Maybe I’m just jealous cause I never get to do it. :banana: I guess it never gets boring.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on December 04, 2024, 10:08:29 AM
I get what you’re saying but I tend to agree with DmonSlyr and considering my own experience. I imagine there might some sort of fun in clubbing baby seals. Maybe I’m just jealous cause I never get to do it. :banana: I guess it never gets boring.
I like clubbing baby seals and pretending to be Uber :rock
That is why we need noobs isn't it ?
Used to be you could de ack a base, noobs would just keep upping and then you could land 10 kills and feel like a big shot :old:
Getting this :ahand again and again without crying about it on here or 200 is the real test of character. I do wonder how whinge bags cope with life and its real defeats !!
When I fly Monday Night Madness it reminds me who I really am :uhoh
I reccomend it :aok
Lets you know who you really are :bolt:
Fly to get better and put off dementia is the way forward and set a good example of what we British call gentlemanly behavior and good sportsmanship. You don't have to rise to the bait everytime some adolescent calls you out because you burst their bubble do you ? I don't think you do. People know who has skills. If someone is a great stick people know it they just don't always want to admit it but they know. More worrying is if they think they are and they aren't. My experience is then they call others out on here or 200. That to me is obvious.
I like clubbing baby seals and pretending to be Uber :rock
That is why we need noobs isn't it ?
Used to be you could de ack a base, noobs would just keep upping and then you could land 10 kills and feel like a big shot :old:
Getting this :ahand again and again without crying about it on here or 200 is the real test of character. I do wonder how whinge bags cope with life and its real defeats !!
When I fly Monday Night Madness it reminds me who I really am :uhoh
I reccomend it :aok
Lets you know who you really are :bolt:
Fly to get better and put off dementia is the way forward and set a good example of what we British call gentlemanly behavior and good sportsmanship. You don't have to rise to the bait everytime some adolescent calls you out because you burst their bubble do you ? I don't think you do. People know who has skills. If someone is a great stick people know it they just don't always want to admit it but they know. More worrying is if they think they are and they aren't. My experience is then they call others out on here or 200. That to me is obvious.
Appart from Hoing that is my whole skill set right there :uhoh.
Maybe work on my Ho ing :D
I guess I just like a challenge. I also know my skill level isn’t at a level to fly a Tempest effectively. So I tend to fly a Spit9 exclusively. No running away or catching anyone in that one. Gosh, I hope you don’t confuse my observations with whining. Like Neil Young once said “Doesn’t mean that much to me to mean that much to you”. It’s just a game. Does It Ever End, I’m Bored, Why Do We Have 200? But yeah , whatever.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on December 04, 2024, 12:12:05 PM
Spit 9 :aok
Biggest challenge for me is when you fight 1 v 1 against the 16 as it seems like exactly the same thing only better. 200 extra hp and better roll rate :frown:
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 04, 2024, 12:49:59 PM
Biggest challenge for me is when you fight 1 v 1 against the 16 as it seems like exactly the same thing only better. 200 extra hp and better roll rate :frown:
From what I understand, the 16 was based on the 9 and the 14 on the 8. :salute
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Yarbles on December 04, 2024, 01:29:16 PM
From what I understand, the 16 was based on the 9 and the 14 on the 8. :salute
Yes the 16 just has a better engine than the 9 and everyone hates it because it is so good for AH style fights. The 9, 5 and 16 have the same air frame the 14 and 8 have a different one.
I admire the sticks in here now who fly 51's and 47's but will dog fight a spit low and slow. That takes skills I don't have. I fly the Spit because I am British and I grew up with the legend. I also like the Hurricane and Mossie for the same reason. I am the first to admit the spit is one of the easiest planes to fly. IF I was newer to the game and I just wanted to get kills without dieing I would fly a 51 fast and pick. Keep it fast and run if you are in trouble. I was taught keep it over 6k and fast. When there is a 51 around and I am in a spit I get kneck ache :D
If your not uber and get tired of :ahand you need a way to succeed but don't give "the big I am" or complain about what other people do on here or 200 or you just look a fool.
Back in the day people used to fly Zero's and complain about 51's extending. I mean FFS just say "come here and stand still while I shoot you" :rolleyes:
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 04, 2024, 02:00:39 PM
Yeah, true.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Lazerr on December 04, 2024, 04:00:52 PM
Fly whatever you want, as long as you are mixing it up and not taking 500mph passes from 20k on a furball.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on December 04, 2024, 04:19:46 PM
We used to deack a base so that we could fly inverted through their fighter hangars.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Eagler on December 04, 2024, 05:20:23 PM
Don't fly them but at one time spits had one ping lasers for guns
Is that still the case?
Eagler
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: horble on December 04, 2024, 05:23:19 PM
I fly the Spit because I am British and I grew up with the legend.
I have observed this over the...er...decades. The Spitfire exerts a mystical hold over Englishmen, far greater than Mustangs and Lightnings and Thunderbolts do for everyone else (OK, Yaks too). I think Englishmen should be exempt from derision (for flying the Spit, only), because the English do bring a special enthusiasm to the game.
Finns are the same with the Brewster and G2.
- oldman
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: guncrasher on December 04, 2024, 08:36:57 PM
I have observed this over the...er...decades. The Spitfire exerts a mystical hold over Englishmen, far greater than Mustangs and Lightnings and Thunderbolts do for everyone else (OK, Yaks too). I think Englishmen should be exempt from derision (for flying the Spit, only), because the English do bring a special enthusiasm to the game.
Finns are the same with the Brewster and G2.
- oldman
:aok
And we fly the Mossie and Hurricane :rock
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 05, 2024, 12:01:00 PM
Hispanos are the best cannons in the game. Amazing how many folks don't fly the hurricane w/ 4 20s. It actually outurns the spits too. :old:
Hurricane is a low-med alt AC design. Was mostly used for ground assault. Because of its thick wings it had some performance issues compared to other planes. But ya, those guns are lethal.
Depends what planes its up against and who is flying them. I’ve seen a few Hurricanes tear it up
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 05, 2024, 03:14:25 PM
Hurricane is a low-med alt AC design. Was mostly used for ground assault. Because of its thick wings it had some performance issues compared to other planes. But ya, those guns are lethal.
Depends what planes its up against and who is flying them. I’ve seen a few Hurricanes tear it up
All it takes is one overshoot, and those bullets aren't rubber :devil But, one certainly has to learn the lost art of the defensive counterpunch.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: mechanic on December 05, 2024, 06:18:53 PM
Why not completely throw away the perk system. Give every player 1000 perks a month with no way of earning more until the next month. Use them how you choose, equal playing field.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on December 06, 2024, 10:38:18 AM
Why not completely throw away the perk system. Give every player 1000 perks a month with no way of earning more until the next month. Use them how you choose, equal playing field.
Very social.... I prefer they have to EARN them. LOL
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: icepac on December 06, 2024, 12:13:51 PM
Watching how people "earn" their perks gives good insight into their personality.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on December 06, 2024, 12:27:38 PM
Watching how people "earn" their perks gives good insight into their personality.
I rarely use perks. I earned most all of mine by not even paying attention to them and just flying my P38J. I can't check now but about 7 or 8 months back I looked and had around 60,000. I just do not use them. I know folks with more....
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: mechanic on December 06, 2024, 07:37:18 PM
Very social.... I prefer they have to EARN them. LOL
Absolutely Shuff. Can't have those evil commies taking over now can we? Though 15 bucks could also be seen as earning some perks every month. If everyone has the same quantity of perk planes every month well then there can be no complaints who flies them. That Tempest pilot who makes it through until the end of the month without destroying his aircraft would be worthy of some genuine praise.
Get vulched by a 262 on week four of the month? Well why hasn't the server shot them all down yet? Perk plane hunting would become a great sport again, making perk plane abusers now rethink all the attention they are getting.
While we are at it, put a perk cost on half the planeset. The end of every tour would be early war heaven with furballs on the deck again.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on December 07, 2024, 01:06:12 AM
I see what you are saying. Why not make the shells more powerfull while you are at it so folks can get more kills. We can also make the planes easier to fly. We can also.... oh wait, we already get multiple lives.....
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: mechanic on December 07, 2024, 05:58:13 AM
I see. Well at present you just get people vulching squad mates to farm perks. If you think that is the best method for arena balance then I suppose this thread is moot
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Eagler on December 07, 2024, 06:55:42 AM
Every plane should be perked..
Every sortie should produce perks..
Perk planes should cost 10x the perks for those of us that have experience and aren't newbies while perk planes should be cheaper for the novice
Eagler
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: potsNpans on December 07, 2024, 09:52:31 AM
If your not having fun, change your vector :airplane: What really chaps my saddle is those thuggs parked on Battle ships. I think players could be encouraged to form squads on country teams to get a perk plane{s} or set. Similar to a game called 'Squad'. Of course I didn't think this through all the way. Shock and Awe did work.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: The Fugitive on December 07, 2024, 10:20:21 AM
Why not completely throw away the perk system. Give every player 1000 perks a month with no way of earning more until the next month. Use them how you choose, equal playing field.
How would that level the playing field? All that would do would give the better players an advantage due to their skill in perked planes vs the newb/average player.
Absolutely Shuff. Can't have those evil commies taking over now can we? Though 15 bucks could also be seen as earning some perks every month. If everyone has the same quantity of perk planes every month well then there can be no complaints who flies them. That Tempest pilot who makes it through until the end of the month without destroying his aircraft would be worthy of some genuine praise.
...or ridiculed for being a wuss/runner who avoids any type of fight unless he has all the advantages. We have enough of those already.
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Get vulched by a 262 on week four of the month? Well why hasn't the server shot them all down yet? Perk plane hunting would become a great sport again, making perk plane abusers now rethink all the attention they are getting.
You have more opportunities to hunt perk planes now. Go with the limited number of perks per month and they will be far less chances.
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While we are at it, put a perk cost on half the planeset. The end of every tour would be early war heaven with furballs on the deck again.
I think the whole perk system should be revamped. Some planes need their perks lowered like the Yak while other need them raised. Last tour the T34/85 had 8323 kills, 5 times more than the next tank, the Panzer IV. Heck, the T34 had 3.5 times the number of kills the Pony had....can we say Aces LOW?
Bat, when was the last time you flew in the MA? It has changed a lot from the old days. If your not flying a fast plane you dont have a lot of chances at a kill let alone a fight. Its too bad, the old days had more variety of planes/fights which kept the interest high. Todays players are afraid to die and are after just the kill counts. Even any changes to the perk system will come across as HTC saying "you cant fly what you want any more", and we certainty dont want to see that.
Not that I would think HTC would do this, but I think but maybe tie the perks into your subscription. At the end of each tour you could earn a percentage of a discount to your monthly subscription cost, 5%, 10%, or maybe 20% off. Of course there would have to be a set range tied to the number of hours played per tour or these guys playing 100 hours would always hit the the most off. Make a contest out of it. Instead of buying your way to an advantage you could work your way to a discount of your subscription. And what better way to earn those perks than flying mid and early war planes.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: mechanic on December 07, 2024, 11:54:34 AM
It's been a fair number of years Fugi, granted. I'm completely out of touch with the game.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: GOODBYE on December 07, 2024, 12:51:04 PM
You can always come back! :joystick:
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 07, 2024, 12:54:05 PM
It's been a fair number of years Fugi, granted. I'm completely out of touch with the game.
Return after a long hiatus has that effect, especially if you started that break in AH2. You’r not alone.
>IMO< I think a lot were chased away by the gamer point\kill monger over the casual flyer just looking for good fights. Some may have publicly broadcasted leaving over settings, but those are just the louder ones trying to put pressure on HT to get THEIR way.
When we look at settings and game play design of other sims AH settings are not a deal breakers.
So my main question is: “Compared to what?”.
The more the MA fills up, the more these settings start working.
So IMO, the real goal is to get numbers up and welcome those into the fold, properly.
Honestly, not one of these “bad settings” actually bother me enough to get upset about them.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 07, 2024, 01:24:15 PM
How would that level the playing field? All that would do would give the better players an advantage due to their skill in perked planes vs the newb/average player.
...or ridiculed for being a wuss/runner who avoids any type of fight unless he has all the advantages. We have enough of those already.
You have more opportunities to hunt perk planes now. Go with the limited number of perks per month and they will be far less chances.
I think the whole perk system should be revamped. Some planes need their perks lowered like the Yak while other need them raised. Last tour the T34/85 had 8323 kills, 5 times more than the next tank, the Panzer IV. Heck, the T34 had 3.5 times the number of kills the Pony had....can we say Aces LOW?
Bat, when was the last time you flew in the MA? It has changed a lot from the old days. If your not flying a fast plane you dont have a lot of chances at a kill let alone a fight. Its too bad, the old days had more variety of planes/fights which kept the interest high. Todays players are afraid to die and are after just the kill counts. Even any changes to the perk system will come across as HTC saying "you cant fly what you want any more", and we certainty dont want to see that.
Yak3 and 190D should be 7-8 eny just like the Nik and La7. Id go as far to say 190D should be perked. It's a solid plane all around and the 500 cannons + climb ability, dive ability, and acceleration ability make it easily one of the best planes in the game.
The temp needs to be 500 perks. It's being over used.
I agree about the tanks. It sounds like the t34 definitely needs to be perked much higher.
I have to disagree with the bold quote there. You see this is the one of the big misconception out there and partially why I made this post. You don't need to fly fast planes to get kills and fight, especially if you are defending a field. The only fast plane I'd recommend defending in is a La7, and it's one of the best planes in the game and one of the planes I'm trying to get people out of. Grab a spit9, grab a La5, Ki84, 109G2, or G14, there are so many great planes for defending but the problem is, defensive ACM is a lost art. It's like the Jedi, instead of learning the ways, people stick to their "stay high and fast and don't chase attitude" but that's not the best way to only get kills. If more simply learned the art of defense they wouldn't need to only fly thr fastest planes and they be able to have a lot more fun and get a lot more rewarding kills. Once you learn the art of defense ACM, the game completely changes and it opens opportunities for more kills and better fights.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: The Fugitive on December 07, 2024, 02:03:26 PM
Yak3 and 190D should be 7-8 eny just like the Nik and La7. Id go as far to say 190D should be perked. It's a solid plane all around and the 500 cannons + climb ability, dive ability, and acceleration ability make it easily one of the best planes in the game.
The temp needs to be 500 perks. It's being over used.
I agree about the tanks. It sounds like the t34 definitely needs to be perked much higher.
I have to disagree with the bold quote there. You see this is the one of the big misconception out there and partially why I made this post. You don't need to fly fast planes to get kills and fight, especially if you are defending a field. The only fast plane I'd recommend defending in is a La7, and it's one of the best planes in the game and one of the planes I'm trying to get people out of. Grab a spit9, grab a La5, Ki84, 109G2, or G14, there are so many great planes for defending but the problem is, defensive ACM is a lost art. It's like the Jedi, instead of learning the ways, people stick to their "stay high and fast and don't chase attitude" but that's not the best way to only get kills. If more simply learned the art of defense they wouldn't need to only fly thr fastest planes and they be able to have a lot more fun and get a lot more rewarding kills. Once you learn the art of defense ACM, the game completely changes and it opens opportunities for more kills and better fights.
And the bold is the problem. "Learn" implies research, study, practice, and time and who is going to bother with that today? That is why you see so many fast dive/pick/run players these days. It is uch easier to do than to learn defensive maneuvers, turn rates, energy egg and on and on and on.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 07, 2024, 02:17:14 PM
And the bold is the problem. "Learn" implies research, study, practice, and time and who is going to bother with that today? That is why you see so many fast dive/pick/run players these days. It is uch easier to do than to learn defensive maneuvers, turn rates, energy egg and on and on and on.
Yeah I completely agree. It's the same as a wealthy parent giving their kids thousands without understanding the real value of money first. They get into very bad habits and dont spend it well. Which is why I feel like having these easy planes so easy to get only perpetuates poor ability and lack of fight awareness. Which makes the fights boring once they realize they can outlimb and out speed everyone.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 07, 2024, 04:52:34 PM
What is a one circle fight? What is a two circle fight? What do you do when you are in a Spit9 with a 190D bearing down on you from your high six?
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 07, 2024, 06:11:25 PM
So many variables, so many personalities, so many skill levels all with different approaches to the game like.
Some game for points with pumped chest, some like the whole war concept, some prefer strictly dogfighting, some prefer TnB some lean BnZ, some are intimidated by going up against seasoned vets. No one setting is going to compress it all into one single mindset, nor should it. IMO.
The one who does all the extensive research and practice are enthusiast, others may fall into the gamer category.
Whatever issues in the MA is more due to player over settings. >IMO<
ME THINKS, players who often participate in events learn and practice more organization and discipline than those in who live only in the >"Melee Arena"<.
a confused mass of people. "the melee of people that was always thronging the streets"
Point being, most of what is asked for is offered through events, organized chaos. Letting them fade is not a good thing.
Some of these ideas on settings, run a custom event highlighting settings in an arena and tweak it as much as a CM can, run it, and see how players like the settings. if it last 3 days with decent numbers you MAY have a point. It's not going to make the world spin backwards, but what a great testing ground instead of "it all looks good on paper" of repeat after repeat convos that go nowhere. You sometimes will not get the reaction you anticipate, sometimes you will.
Repeat of repeat story When I had an idea to change the damage model in AW, I was granted that chance to come up with something workable, better. I was even given my own arena to develop and test it. Spent a cpl hundred hours in there, mostly with Grizzly helping me, among a few others.
I/We finally hit that honey spot to get everything we could out of the options we had, and much more realistic. everyone who came and tried it loved it, thought it would be a great change to AW.
First Test was my own a bit lame scenario of BoB, where I tested it with the masses. The scenario/enthusiast types liked it.
I was literally a one man band, also semi-proving one person could run an event. I literally did just that. I don't think it was a great thing to prove because it was followed by several O K scenarios, one could do it, but it wasn't as good as a team.
ANYWAY, So now where going to do a test run it in the Relaxed Realism (more gamers) and the Full Realism (more enthusiast) arenas. I/We were only 50% right.
FR loved it. They were happy to get anything more realistic, even if they had to change their play to adjust. RR not as much. It was too realistic compared to what they were USED TO, which means they had to change how they aimed and shot to adjust.
Majority rules We removed it from RR and left it in FR.
My point is this; we had some seriously good change to the damage model, you'd think everyone would love it....yet we got 2 opposite reactions from 2 different tribes. What you think looks good in text, that repeats for ever, test it and either press or bury the concept. Human nature can be unpredictable.
See if HT will allow you to run an event to try them out, a Melee type setup. Prove it or bury it. :)
Because the complaining with repeat convos isn't serving us well. It tends to have the scent of "don't play this game", outside looking in.
Peace, love and something about tomatoes
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 07, 2024, 06:40:52 PM
So many variables, so many personalities, so many skill levels all with different approaches to the game like.
Some game for points with pumped chest, some like the whole war concept, some prefer strictly dogfighting, some prefer TnB some lean BnZ, some are intimidated by going up against seasoned vets. No one setting is going to compress it all into one single mindset, nor should it. IMO.
The one who does all the extensive research and practice are enthusiast, others may fall into the gamer category.
Whatever issues in the MA is more due to player over settings. >IMO<
ME THINKS, players who often participate in events learn and practice more organization and discipline than those in who live only in the >"Melee Arena"<.
a confused mass of people. "the melee of people that was always thronging the streets"
Point being, most of what is asked for is offered through events, organized chaos. Letting them fade is not a good thing.
Some of these ideas on settings, run a custom event highlighting settings in an arena and tweak it as much as a CM can, run it, and see how players like the settings. if it last 3 days with decent numbers you MAY have a point. It's not going to make the world spin backwards, but what a great testing ground instead of "it all looks good on paper" of repeat after repeat convos that go nowhere. You sometimes will not get the reaction you anticipate, sometimes you will.
Repeat of repeat story When I had an idea to change the damage model in AW, I was granted that chance to come up with something workable, better. I was even given my own arena to develop and test it. Spent a cpl hundred hours in there, mostly with Grizzly helping me, among a few others.
I/We finally hit that honey spot to get everything we could out of the options we had, and much more realistic. everyone who came and tried it loved it, thought it would be a great change to AW.
First Test was my own a bit lame scenario of BoB, where I tested it with the masses. The scenario/enthusiast types liked it.
I was literally a one man band, also semi-proving one person could run an event. I literally did just that. I don't think it was a great thing to prove because it was followed by several O K scenarios, one could do it, but it wasn't as good as a team.
ANYWAY, So now where going to do a test run it in the Relaxed Realism (more gamers) and the Full Realism (more enthusiast) arenas. I/We were only 50% right.
FR loved it. They were happy to get anything more realistic, even if they had to change their play to adjust. RR not as much. It was too realistic compared to what they were USED TO, which means they had to change how they aimed and shot to adjust.
Majority rules We removed it from RR and left it in FR.
My point is this; we had some seriously good change to the damage model, you'd think everyone would love it....yet we got 2 opposite reactions from 2 different tribes. What you think looks good in text, that repeats for ever, test it and either press or bury the concept. Human nature can be unpredictable.
See if HT will allow you to run an event to try them out, a Melee type setup. Prove it or bury it. :)
Because the complaining with repeat convos isn't serving us well. It tends to have the scent of "don't play this game", outside looking in.
Peace, love and something about tomatoes
You make a lot of sense but IMHO, I don’t see how it would change anyone’s play style, hoers are gonna ho, pickers are gonna pick, runners are gonna run. Also, I’ve realized there are people that are really vindictive. YKW, isn’t the only one that would or will target someone when they get their feelings hurt (getting their arse handed to them in a 1v1 dogfight). I think AH in its current form offers a good mix of game and realism to satisfy the majority. It’s not buggy and at times can be really fun. Why mess with a good thing? From what I see, the culture here on the forum or in the game isn’t going to change. Ride it out.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: mechanic on December 07, 2024, 08:06:27 PM
Return after a long hiatus has that effect, especially if you started that break in AH2. You’r not alone.
>IMO< I think a lot were chased away by the gamer point\kill monger over the casual flyer just looking for good fights. Some may have publicly broadcasted leaving over settings, but those are just the louder ones trying to put pressure on HT to get THEIR way.
When we look at settings and game play design of other sims AH settings are not a deal breakers.
So my main question is: “Compared to what?”.
The more the MA fills up, the more these settings start working.
So IMO, the real goal is to get numbers up and welcome those into the fold, properly.
Honestly, not one of these “bad settings” actually bother me enough to get upset about them.
Not really anything down with the game, played almost every night for a whole decade. Then slowed down. Had kids. Life just told me it was enough. Still the best online game experience I've ever been a part of. Kept my subscription for almost 20 years even though played less than 2 hours a year at times. HTC and this community shaped the man I grew into to some extent. Always will be grateful
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 07, 2024, 08:20:06 PM
What is a one circle fight? What is a two circle fight? What do you do when you are in a Spit9 with a 190D bearing down on you from your high six?
See below. A very short example of a defensive loaded roll, however they want to call it. Cannot access my better videos right now and twitch is being stupid so I'll post some other examples later.
One circle vs two circle yada yada, but thats just basic, you have to add some vert to your circles, add throttle, add flaps, and timing in WW2 planes to get the angle for a shot. You see, once you really understand this tactic and practice it greatly. Then you'll realize that 190Ds diving on you are going to have a really hard time and if you can get them to overshoot enough, you can either get a shot on them, or it will give your teammates enough time to come in and help vs the BnZ. The art of the counterpunch..
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 07, 2024, 09:18:06 PM
See below. A very short example of a defensive loaded roll, however they want to call it. Cannot access my better videos right now and twitch is being stupid so I'll post some other examples later.
One circle vs two circle yada yada, but thats just basic, you have to add some vert to your circles, add throttle, add flaps, and timing in WW2 planes to get the angle for a shot. You see, once you really understand this tactic and practice it greatly. Then you'll realize that 190Ds diving on you are going to have a really hard time and if you can get them to overshoot enough, you can either get a shot on them, or it will give your teammates enough time to come in and help vs the BnZ. The art of the counterpunch..
I was being sarcastic. I know this basic stuff. I fly a Spit9. Thanks for the video!
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 07, 2024, 10:55:34 PM
You make a lot of sense but IMHO, I don’t see how it would change anyone’s play style, hoers are gonna ho, pickers are gonna pick, runners are gonna run. Also, I’ve realized there are people that are really vindictive. YKW, isn’t the only one that would or will target someone when they get their feelings hurt (getting their arse handed to them in a 1v1 dogfight). I think AH in its current form offers a good mix of game and realism to satisfy the majority. It’s not buggy and at times can be really fun. Why mess with a good thing? From what I see, the culture here on the forum or in the game isn’t going to change. Ride it out.
Well that's where I'm at. It's a complete game with very little bugs. I think negative posts in the bbs does more harm than settings. <shrug> Even though I've been a part of a few, the object was to get it gone. I basically fly P-51, 190A5, 190A8, 190D9, one is always available.
How to avoid a fast plane diving on ya? Well the faster they are the least likely they'll be able to turn with you, especially if they're in a 51, just wait until their E runs out. If I come in at 525 its going to be a straight pass through, because I'm not going to be able to make any drastic turns., and when I extend up I'm dropping more E every time I do, sooner or later I'm going to have to TnB, or run.
I dunno, I think some of this stuff is over-thought. <shrug> but that's just me.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: ~ZoSo~ on December 08, 2024, 01:34:37 AM
Yep, either way, ya gotta be patient, but not too patient. Sooner or later a friend or foe shows up and changes everything.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Drano on December 08, 2024, 09:44:58 AM
While I keep my sub going I haven't logged into the game in almost a year now. I did for an hour or so making sure my settings still worked getting ready for TC's memorial flight then had to miss that as my FIL started to spiral. Sorry, Johnny. Miss you bud!
There's a lot I miss about this game. A lot of great times. I miss the people. Back when I was flying most nights like religion there were hundreds of others that were too. Seems that's gone. Nothing I'm reading here on the boards or this thread in particular is saying I need to come back. I never ran from a fight. Flying a 38 almost exclusively it wasn't an option most of the time. Was always glad for the fight, live or die. The pickers were always part of the game through the years and were always annoying. But when ya had hundreds playing the percentage of them was at least semi-tolerable! Now it seems that has become the name of the game. Personally, I've never understood how one could do everything they could tho avoid combat in a combat game but I guess that is what it is.
And that pretty much sums it up. It is what it is.
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Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Oldman731 on December 08, 2024, 10:29:32 AM
You're one of those people, Oldman. Love ya bud! Kids are grown and you'd think I'd have more time for it but with grandson #4 on the way they've become the new center of our universe. Oldest is almost 5. I'm afraid to let these guys near my rig!
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Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Shuffler on December 08, 2024, 10:52:30 AM
I see. Well at present you just get people vulching squad mates to farm perks. If you think that is the best method for arena balance then I suppose this thread is moot
Perks are not going to balance anything. People have to balance sides. Since they will not, the ONLY way to debit would be to place folks as they sign in. Of course this hurts their feelings as too many would rather not have balanced sides when it really comes down to it.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: Animl-AW on December 08, 2024, 12:23:10 PM
While I keep my sub going I haven't logged into the game in almost a year now. I did for an hour or so making sure my settings still worked getting ready for TC's memorial flight then had to miss that as my FIL started to spiral. Sorry, Johnny. Miss you bud!
There's a lot I miss about this game. A lot of great times. I miss the people. Back when I was flying most nights like religion there were hundreds of others that were too. Seems that's gone. Nothing I'm reading here on the boards or this thread in particular is saying I need to come back. I never ran from a fight. Flying a 38 almost exclusively it wasn't an option most of the time. Was always glad for the fight, live or die. The pickers were always part of the game through the years and were always annoying. But when ya had hundreds playing the percentage of them was at least semi-tolerable! Now it seems that has become the name of the game. Personally, I've never understood how one could do everything they could tho avoid combat in a combat game but I guess that is what it is.
And that pretty much sums it up. It is what it is.
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In all honesty, the bbs tends to magnify issues. The loudest are heard most. It's not as bad as some post, not as good as some wish. I may get a runner 1 of 10 fights. 90% of those on 200 are tolerable, in fact we have a lot of fun more times than not. The worst I saw was the YKW nonsense, but that SEEMS to be over now. It pushed quiet a few away. Hopefully they'll get the word and return.
HT seems to be spending more time on the bbs and game, new severs, a dar adjustment, cleaning house...etc.
We have it in a good spot, we just need to get the numbers back up, at least to what we had last year. Friday was 130, it creeps past critical mass. We've had some good scenarios too.
Some of you were vets when I started in AW around 89-90ish, then 95, then AH. There would be a hole if you guys weren't around. kinda a reason I returned, old faces and history.
I hope you find time to make some form of return. It's still a blast, don't put much stock in the bbs rants.
Title: Re: GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES
Post by: horble on December 08, 2024, 01:00:15 PM
I haven't had much trouble finding fights. They usually aren't always fair but they weren't always fair in 2009 either. I probably find more 1v1s now than I ever did.