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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Lazerr on May 13, 2025, 05:17:10 PM
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Two questions. What is the best herbicide to kill anything green and living?
Also, what is the best weed and feed to use on a yard that is getting too much crabgrass and ground ivy?
Any other lawn and garden hacks? The older I get, the more scrutiny I have on my property.
I live in the upper midwest.
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Agent Orange is an effective herbicide but not widely available. ;)
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Two questions. What is the best herbicide to kill anything green and living?
Also, what is the best weed and feed to use on a yard that is getting too much crabgrass and ground ivy?
Any other lawn and garden hacks? The older I get, the more scrutiny I have on my property.
I live in the upper midwest.
Burn it then Roundup.
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Depends. Are you wanting to kill weeds, grass, bushy/viney overgrowth? Broadleaf weeds?
Glyphosate will kill a lot but I had some stuff that it wouldnt touch. I had to buy a herbicide called Crossbow to kill it
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Burn it then Roundup.
Yeah i have a torch want I use in rock gardens, but looking for something that works well on brush and in mulch.
Plan B is to start over and put a better quality weed barrier down next spring or this fall.
By bigger issue I guess is my grass being overrun by not grass...
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Depends. Are you wanting to kill weeds, grass, bushy/viney overgrowth? Broadleaf weeds?
Glyphosate will kill a lot but I had some stuff that it wouldnt touch. I had to buy a herbicide called Crossbow to kill it
Any weed in a rock/much based garden is one issue.
Ivy/broadleaf weeds in the yard. Definately looking for two different products as one is going to be too potent for my grass.
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If you have something like FS or farm spraying company by where you live, you could pull some up and take it in there and show it to them. They can tell you what you need to kill it and if you specify that you dont want to touch the lawn grass they may have something or can mix it up for you on the spot. It might be a little more expensive then jugs of roundup but if they know their stuff they can steer you in the right direction.
There is an app I use on the phone called plantsnap that will let you take a picture of the plant leaf and will identify the plant for you (may take several attempts to get a correct match, and the app has annoying ads trying to sell you to upgrade) Then type in the plant name online and what to kill it with and you should get some results on what herbicide to use.
2-4-D is a broadleaf herbicide that shouldnt affect most lawn grass
My viney plant is called winter creeper, thats the stuff that no other herbicide would touch until I bought the crossbow herbicide. That stuff finally killed it
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Two questions. What is the best herbicide to kill anything green and living?
Also, what is the best weed and feed to use on a yard that is getting too much crabgrass and ground ivy?
Any other lawn and garden hacks? The older I get, the more scrutiny I have on my property.
I live in the upper midwest.
Yeah, Round-up Ground Clear will nuke an area.
On the lawn I have started using Scotts triple action tuff builder (with preventer not the one with ant poison). It has 3 components:
1. Selective post-emergent herbicide that kills most weeds but not the grass.
2. A Pre-emergent agent to prevent any other weed seeds in the soil from germinating for the next 3 months or so.
3. A balanced fertilizer.
https://www.amazon.com/Scotts-Turf-Builder-Triple-Action1/dp/B09JVCSXJC/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ISsrJSit3_mCwKA2WeeinEmeWp8hS9dmgP6izw8bCnsqdPZuFtBKQ8tXcGuQ7OJ7HueheeJQ4FpGdSIdvl_HPT2GoRX-E6DfgZc5zZBFrfcVaNq3jDh8YyQn5jWYW1ELl-jU_ZQquIfraof-Maxebvj-qfOcyBomkgwg_z3spxGaKhJVEDBWw7448d9c_Ai05qDDTPCCu62g2dXZ0-lW_YS9olNDckK5i6T_PKiRRZS4hwWfPkwDiMVbavoxTyod-GnTPnqant5n7WjIwpV8ZjeGtn0rXRWzaNhcMfcS_dI.Eu0lN8OBFcPkeF6AJ2RsKmJMS5xrhk1QQA4Ll2aHlNY&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693702314872&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9027354&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=7962158332825006038--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=7962158332825006038&hvtargid=kwd-658366902659&hydadcr=23639_13531577&keywords=scotts%2Btriple%2Baction%2Bsouthern&mcid=ad4de25f12383416b80783611660a0df&qid=1747175988&sr=8-5&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Scotts-Turf-Builder-Triple-Action1/dp/B09JVCSXJC/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ISsrJSit3_mCwKA2WeeinEmeWp8hS9dmgP6izw8bCnsqdPZuFtBKQ8tXcGuQ7OJ7HueheeJQ4FpGdSIdvl_HPT2GoRX-E6DfgZc5zZBFrfcVaNq3jDh8YyQn5jWYW1ELl-jU_ZQquIfraof-Maxebvj-qfOcyBomkgwg_z3spxGaKhJVEDBWw7448d9c_Ai05qDDTPCCu62g2dXZ0-lW_YS9olNDckK5i6T_PKiRRZS4hwWfPkwDiMVbavoxTyod-GnTPnqant5n7WjIwpV8ZjeGtn0rXRWzaNhcMfcS_dI.Eu0lN8OBFcPkeF6AJ2RsKmJMS5xrhk1QQA4Ll2aHlNY&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693702314872&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9027354&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=7962158332825006038--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=7962158332825006038&hvtargid=kwd-658366902659&hydadcr=23639_13531577&keywords=scotts%2Btriple%2Baction%2Bsouthern&mcid=ad4de25f12383416b80783611660a0df&qid=1747175988&sr=8-5&th=1)
NOTE: I get the one for southern lawns. I think there is a north lawn. Check for grass type.
Spread that March 1 and Oct 1 and 85% of my problems vanished. And I was over run with dandelions.
In between touch ups I use Spectracide Weed Stop which I can also recommend.
https://www.amazon.com/Spectracide-Crabgrass-Killer-Concentrate-QuickFlip/dp/B001OENXRI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2OCD3BU4IR66C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jfpQotLOxibwIMdKdjk3jDJDfRcG3VL3FB7eB4dtvfM1iBRzTKvaerpRWcgqYz4j8_umbl0zYeJhpt-1V6hXq6lrr-MN4oCa2ckRUnHMCdjNvHM2HZs9DsVvXi4ci-fljmouItCa3vTeVOto-vmqspEHglRIHKGwVrD1RktF21qDXckIVQxK-CI2I0_ZmtiRPndi4fN1mmHEV8yz2KWXNlSBIVXeyq2sERgYr8zWwJRx1C9kaASfshrb_CbLGfk9zMjRder2-_aY65TN1lxI-Et0zc_tivoQeN7B-su-3RI.h5uZCOW8Ui-NORO_q8cpvXSJFk-SkP1fjaVriNSGZ-c&dib_tag=se&keywords=weed%2Bstop%2Bfor%2Blawns&qid=1747176192&sprefix=weed-stop%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-4&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spectracide-Crabgrass-Killer-Concentrate-QuickFlip/dp/B001OENXRI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2OCD3BU4IR66C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jfpQotLOxibwIMdKdjk3jDJDfRcG3VL3FB7eB4dtvfM1iBRzTKvaerpRWcgqYz4j8_umbl0zYeJhpt-1V6hXq6lrr-MN4oCa2ckRUnHMCdjNvHM2HZs9DsVvXi4ci-fljmouItCa3vTeVOto-vmqspEHglRIHKGwVrD1RktF21qDXckIVQxK-CI2I0_ZmtiRPndi4fN1mmHEV8yz2KWXNlSBIVXeyq2sERgYr8zWwJRx1C9kaASfshrb_CbLGfk9zMjRder2-_aY65TN1lxI-Et0zc_tivoQeN7B-su-3RI.h5uZCOW8Ui-NORO_q8cpvXSJFk-SkP1fjaVriNSGZ-c&dib_tag=se&keywords=weed%2Bstop%2Bfor%2Blawns&qid=1747176192&sprefix=weed-stop%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-4&th=1)
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Buy a goat. :D :old:
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Goats can be ornery.
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Goats can be ornery.
But some of them are sexy.
- oldman
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But some of them are sexy.
- oldman
You're thinking of sheep.
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Yeah, Round-up Ground Clear will nuke an area.
On the lawn I have started using Scotts triple action tuff builder (with preventer not the one with ant poison). It has 3 components:
1. Selective post-emergent herbicide that kills most weeds but not the grass.
2. A Pre-emergent agent to prevent any other weed seeds in the soil from germinating for the next 3 months or so.
3. A balanced fertilizer.
https://www.amazon.com/Scotts-Turf-Builder-Triple-Action1/dp/B09JVCSXJC/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ISsrJSit3_mCwKA2WeeinEmeWp8hS9dmgP6izw8bCnsqdPZuFtBKQ8tXcGuQ7OJ7HueheeJQ4FpGdSIdvl_HPT2GoRX-E6DfgZc5zZBFrfcVaNq3jDh8YyQn5jWYW1ELl-jU_ZQquIfraof-Maxebvj-qfOcyBomkgwg_z3spxGaKhJVEDBWw7448d9c_Ai05qDDTPCCu62g2dXZ0-lW_YS9olNDckK5i6T_PKiRRZS4hwWfPkwDiMVbavoxTyod-GnTPnqant5n7WjIwpV8ZjeGtn0rXRWzaNhcMfcS_dI.Eu0lN8OBFcPkeF6AJ2RsKmJMS5xrhk1QQA4Ll2aHlNY&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693702314872&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9027354&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=7962158332825006038--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=7962158332825006038&hvtargid=kwd-658366902659&hydadcr=23639_13531577&keywords=scotts%2Btriple%2Baction%2Bsouthern&mcid=ad4de25f12383416b80783611660a0df&qid=1747175988&sr=8-5&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Scotts-Turf-Builder-Triple-Action1/dp/B09JVCSXJC/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ISsrJSit3_mCwKA2WeeinEmeWp8hS9dmgP6izw8bCnsqdPZuFtBKQ8tXcGuQ7OJ7HueheeJQ4FpGdSIdvl_HPT2GoRX-E6DfgZc5zZBFrfcVaNq3jDh8YyQn5jWYW1ELl-jU_ZQquIfraof-Maxebvj-qfOcyBomkgwg_z3spxGaKhJVEDBWw7448d9c_Ai05qDDTPCCu62g2dXZ0-lW_YS9olNDckK5i6T_PKiRRZS4hwWfPkwDiMVbavoxTyod-GnTPnqant5n7WjIwpV8ZjeGtn0rXRWzaNhcMfcS_dI.Eu0lN8OBFcPkeF6AJ2RsKmJMS5xrhk1QQA4Ll2aHlNY&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693702314872&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9027354&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=7962158332825006038--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=7962158332825006038&hvtargid=kwd-658366902659&hydadcr=23639_13531577&keywords=scotts%2Btriple%2Baction%2Bsouthern&mcid=ad4de25f12383416b80783611660a0df&qid=1747175988&sr=8-5&th=1)
NOTE: I get the one for southern lawns. I think there is a north lawn. Check for grass type.
Spread that March 1 and Oct 1 and 85% of my problems vanished. And I was over run with dandelions.
In between touch ups I use Spectracide Weed Stop which I can also recommend.
https://www.amazon.com/Spectracide-Crabgrass-Killer-Concentrate-QuickFlip/dp/B001OENXRI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2OCD3BU4IR66C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jfpQotLOxibwIMdKdjk3jDJDfRcG3VL3FB7eB4dtvfM1iBRzTKvaerpRWcgqYz4j8_umbl0zYeJhpt-1V6hXq6lrr-MN4oCa2ckRUnHMCdjNvHM2HZs9DsVvXi4ci-fljmouItCa3vTeVOto-vmqspEHglRIHKGwVrD1RktF21qDXckIVQxK-CI2I0_ZmtiRPndi4fN1mmHEV8yz2KWXNlSBIVXeyq2sERgYr8zWwJRx1C9kaASfshrb_CbLGfk9zMjRder2-_aY65TN1lxI-Et0zc_tivoQeN7B-su-3RI.h5uZCOW8Ui-NORO_q8cpvXSJFk-SkP1fjaVriNSGZ-c&dib_tag=se&keywords=weed%2Bstop%2Bfor%2Blawns&qid=1747176192&sprefix=weed-stop%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-4&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Spectracide-Crabgrass-Killer-Concentrate-QuickFlip/dp/B001OENXRI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2OCD3BU4IR66C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jfpQotLOxibwIMdKdjk3jDJDfRcG3VL3FB7eB4dtvfM1iBRzTKvaerpRWcgqYz4j8_umbl0zYeJhpt-1V6hXq6lrr-MN4oCa2ckRUnHMCdjNvHM2HZs9DsVvXi4ci-fljmouItCa3vTeVOto-vmqspEHglRIHKGwVrD1RktF21qDXckIVQxK-CI2I0_ZmtiRPndi4fN1mmHEV8yz2KWXNlSBIVXeyq2sERgYr8zWwJRx1C9kaASfshrb_CbLGfk9zMjRder2-_aY65TN1lxI-Et0zc_tivoQeN7B-su-3RI.h5uZCOW8Ui-NORO_q8cpvXSJFk-SkP1fjaVriNSGZ-c&dib_tag=se&keywords=weed%2Bstop%2Bfor%2Blawns&qid=1747176192&sprefix=weed-stop%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-4&th=1)
The reviews on that triple action are pretty mixed, been eyeballing it for 2 years now.
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The reviews on that triple action are pretty mixed, been eyeballing it for 2 years now.
Shrug. Try it a season.
Most who have problems aren't following the instruction.
Grass needs to be good and wet when you are applying it so the stuff will stick to the weed surface. If the dew isn't heavy then mist down you lawn with a hose sprayer before spreading. When I do it that way I do a section at a time so I can get it spread before it dries off then move to another section.
Make sure you get the right one for your grass. Won't kill Johnson grass weed, but few things you can buy OTC will. I had a yard full of dandilions other clovers and nasties and After two or three application they were gone. Very rarely get one.
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Grass is overrated...unless it's the roll your own kind..
St Augustine here...what an expensive endeavor..
Between fungicide, insecticide and herbicides..throw in monthly watering charges and it costs a small fortune..for what?
A small patch of green between your neighbors numerous brown weedy patches...
Eagler
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I’m not seeing many bees flying around so far this year so please keep these important critters in mind when trying to kill everything.
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I don't even use weed and feed. I put down triple 13 in the spring and again in the late fall. It makes everything grow. The grass gets so thick after about two mowings, the weeds are gone.
Triple 13 is also known as 13-13-13. Equal parts nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium.
For weeds and grass kill... Compare N Save Concentrate works well on fence line and gardens. Careful using anything in your mulch. If any is active when you use it for planting, it may kill the plant.
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If you have a sprayer and can do it yourself I use Triplet on the lawn to kill dandelions, crabgrass, and the white clover. I buy a 2.5 gallon jug and put 1 gallon mixed into 60 gallons of water for 2 acres, 2 qts to the acre. Costs $45 and the time to do it, I’m in MI about straight east of you so similar area.
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You’d be amazed at what crossing cutting your lawn, without picking up clippings, does for it.
First cut go one direction, do not pick up clippings
Second cut go 90 degrees against the first cut direction. Ya gotta make two passes.
On second cut those clippings get shredded and drop to the base of the plant/ground, rebuilding a very good soil.
After about a 3-5 mowings you’ll notice a difference that resembles carpet, the new soil will even smell healthy. Many weeds grow where grass can’t, usually dead soil, healthier grass less weeds
Side acre lot to fix it I let the existing grass seensgrow and seed itself before slowly cutting it down to size. If that tyoe of grass grows there thats the seed I want.
I learned this in my dads yard his/our yard in Home & Garden magazine in the early 80s
Edit: do not yse lief blowers in your lawn, use a rake. You’re blowing away nutrients/top soil
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I wish I could just let the natural wildflowers grow. Manicured lawns are one of the biggest scams ever pulled off by Big Lawn.
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I’m not seeing many bees flying around so far this year so please keep these important critters in mind when trying to kill everything.
Bees die… we die. :old:
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Bees die… we die. :old:
The fruit/berry trees and bushes here get alot more attention from bees than the weeds in my yard and garden beds do....
I see the no mow may folks showing up. This was a question regarding keeping my property looking nice. Not saving the dandelions.
Trying some Gordon's 15-0-0 liquid weed and feed for my lawn and Roundup ground clear for the mulch and rock gardens.
I have a Fimco tow behind sprayer for the lawn and a handheld pump for the groundclear.
Thanks for everyone's input
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Lazer, beware of the 2-4D drifting around your ornamentals if it is windy at all FYI. :cheers:
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kill dandelions, crabgrass, and the white clover
Funny! Here they sell white clover seeds for a nice lawn as it stands both occasional dryness and tramping. Plus it blossoms most of the summer nourishing bees. Fruit/berry trees and bushes only blossom for a week in late spring, too late for the bumble bee queens.
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I wish I could just let the natural wildflowers grow. Manicured lawns are one of the biggest scams ever pulled off by Big Lawn.
Always had this thought too...
But now living in a basically HOA free subdivision, leaving up to the landowners/ renters usually results in a very raw looking neighborhood...as most don't understand the relationship between their mower, their watering hose and just weeds without any form of a real grass lawn..
Lawns in Florida separate real nice/expensive neighborhoods from the rest..nothing more impressive than a very thick and healthy st. Augustine lawn..nor expensive lol
Eagler
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Always had this thought too...
But now living in a basically HOA free subdivision, leaving up to the landowners/ renters usually results in a very raw looking neighborhood...as most don't understand the relationship between their mower, their watering hose and just weeds without any form of a real grass lawn..
Lawns in Florida separate real nice/expensive neighborhoods from the rest..nothing more impressive than a very thick and healthy st. Augustine lawn..nor expensive lol
Eagler
Yup, I live in a decent neighborhood in Florida where I pay $12 a month for HOA. Its a night and day difference between the neighborhood right behind mine that's not really a neighborhood and has no HOA. Some people just don't give a crap and it looks like garbage.
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Another important question is what "good" grass are you wanting to keep?
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Another important question is what "good" grass are you wanting to keep?
I'm always looking for good grass.
What kind you got?
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Local collage or growers association are a great resource. Here in Palm Beach co. we have Mounts botanical gardens and S FL. tropical fruit growers. Spring and fall they have a show at the fair grounds.
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There's grass and then there's grass.
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I'm always looking for good grass.
What kind you got?
I got you!
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Grass needs to be good and wet when you are applying it so the stuff will stick to the weed surface. If the dew isn't heavy then mist down you lawn with a hose sprayer before spreading. When I do it that way I do a section at a time so I can get it spread before it dries off then move to another section.
Use a Surfactant
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Use a Surfactant
That might help. I mix a little in when I spray my Weed Stop.
Stuff dries quick in the Texas summer when it is already 90f by 8am.
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That might help. I mix a little in when I spray my Weed Stop.
Stuff dries quick in the Texas summer when it is already 90f by 8am.
Try Diesel... mostly for all the, How DARE you's.