Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Spikes on October 09, 2025, 11:43:06 AM
I always struggle to find any reason someone would want to open carry, besides looking like a sweetheart.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 09, 2025, 12:26:23 PM
Just came from the in-laws publix out in the sticks...no one was open carrying but must country folks have a gun or two within reach..
Father in law showed me his ankle holster while we waited for the Lincoln to be serviced last visit..
Eagler
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: LCADolby on October 09, 2025, 01:01:11 PM
I like Publix. They have a reasonably decent "British" section.
Mind you I wish they would move the Tetley into the British zone rather than letting it hang out with the "Iced-Tea", it's wrong and disturbing. :old:
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: icepac on October 09, 2025, 01:09:37 PM
Open carry..........of beer.
Publix fried chicken is schweet!!
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: hazmatt on October 09, 2025, 03:34:40 PM
I always avoided stores that were "gun free zones" as I know the criminals didn't follow the laws.
I think it's good that people can protect themselves, however with all the Constitutional states now, I would hope a person could carry concealed instead of having to broadcast that hey were carrying.
My EDC is a pepper spray and a little pocket 380 in the other and I would prefer nobody knew I was carrying it.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 09, 2025, 08:35:25 PM
I saw lots of dudes open carrying while living in Nevada. They'd waddle around Walmart cosplaying ex-Navy Seals or other SPEC-OPS. I'd say all of 'em were morbidly obese and thus "Gravy Meals" rather than Navy Seals. Open carry is a parade of coulda-shouldas but didn't and couldn't's. It's dumb and who are you trying to impress?
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: 1Cane on October 09, 2025, 10:21:26 PM
I was working in Grants NM during Elk season When a hunter became a legend.He entered the local grocery store. He was wearing a bandolier ,a long barreled 44mag and a hunting knife "I don't know if it was Rambo type with compass in handle" He was being checked out by an old female. After he paid the teller asked him "What is it your afraid of honey?" That's a true story
:banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 09, 2025, 11:01:04 PM
Open carry, unless you're a cop, is IMO stupid and here's why. If you are seen with a gun, you just told them how to attack you to work around it. You allow them to plan,.... like the back of the head plan.
One of my fav sayings on guns is; "ya know how to kill a whacko with a AR-15? Old worn soft quiet tennis shoes, and a .22cal revolver." You have given away the element of surprise.
It's also shows fear, you can be broken. You are already in that state to open carry in the first place. Fear is the worst enemy, hasty minds.
No offense intended, to each their own, not my circus not my monkeys When I see someone looking as intimidating as possible? I see fear, they can be broken with the right button. "Please don't challenge me and force me to prove I'm not all that, so if I look like this you won't try".
It will also give you a big stupid mouth, because without it, it's dentist time.
All that left field drivel aside...... most street people are not responsible gun owners. Most hunters are. They go mental, they itch to use it, they walk down dark allies that don't even lead to where they are going. They talk smack in a bar.
Now, how do I know this,...that's why I don't carry at all anymore. I may have done things I would not have done without it on me. Some experiences could have gone south real quick, and didn't need to in the end. SO, I don't even trust myself. If I need a gun to go there, I should not be there. Problems solved.
Obviously I think it's a bad idea, everything around you stirs.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 10, 2025, 06:58:20 AM
What are the actual statistics for crimes committed by cw or open carrying licensed owners vs the rest of gun owners both legal and illegal...
I think those statistics make some of the comments here mute..
Eagler
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 10, 2025, 08:47:56 AM
What are the actual statistics for crimes committed by cw or open carrying licensed owners vs the rest of gun owners both legal and illegal...
I think those statistics make some of the comments here mute..
Eagler
You can look at FBI violent crime tables and compare each state with relaxed gun laws. Which I have done. THIS IS FACTUAL NOT POLITICAL, back-walk my words. TX is open carry, as a full state it ranks #2 in highest murder by gun. Almost all states with relaxed laws has higher murder by gun stats. An exception is CA because of LA, #1.
Compared to other states IL ranks much lower on the charts than people think. TX has twice the rate. Most of IL don’t carry, Chicago is where IL rate comes from. But TX the entire state carries. Lots of moving parts in stats.
IL. Is about 650 per yr TX.is about 1700
I’m certified via Chicago police in active shooter response. Which also includes training in spotting bombs, like stuff left laying around.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: AKIron on October 10, 2025, 08:59:43 AM
Some cities no longer report violent/gun crime to the FBI so the stats aren't reliable. A person must ask themselves why would they do this?
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: haggerty on October 10, 2025, 09:13:55 AM
In my state they make it harder to get concealed carry, but open carry is allowed with no license to earn. I've considered doing it, not to be some mall cop wannabe, but because it's convenient. Unfortunately I work on military bases so even having a gun in my car is not allowed, so it stays at home. I wouldn't be concerned with getting attacked or that I would commit murders if I carried, while people are scared of guns I dont live or work in areas that I would expect to get attacked solely for having a gun.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 10, 2025, 09:23:21 AM
Some cities no longer report violent/gun crime to the FBI so the stats aren't reliable. A person must ask themselves why would they do this?
Not true. Thats a claim, not fact. Its a form of denial. If you make this claim then back it up with what proves it. You also were in denial about TX AC problems that were easily dispelled.
Court dockets are public , they do not have to be “reported” its open access. To not report it on record would be a crime, coverup. Which means you have to coverup a murder for it not to be there.
Unless you point out how thats done its just an erroneous comment, which is purely political. And thats how you slip into political darkness.
Denial is a helluva drug. You have this habit with anything TX. You are prone to conspiracies
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: hazmatt on October 10, 2025, 09:55:54 AM
I saw lots of dudes open carrying while living in Nevada. They'd waddle around Walmart cosplaying ex-Navy Seals or other SPEC-OPS. I'd say all of 'em were morbidly obese and thus "Gravy Meals" rather than Navy Seals. Open carry is a parade of coulda-shouldas but didn't and couldn't's. It's dumb and who are you trying to impress?
That's interesting. I haven't seen many people open carrying at all in the Texoma area, however I suspect there are many concealed carrying.
I think it all comes down to your mindset. I agree that some of those guys are wannabes. I remember watching the video of some couple shooting up a Walmart and one of those wannabe heros getting himself killed. My wife and I watched the video and we both agreed that instead of chasing/engaging the shooter, we would have gone out the door after the shooter passed even though both of us are always armed.
I carry because since I'm older I don't think and can't fight like I did 30 years ago and I never want to be in a position where I have to watch something happen to my wife or kids because I can't do anything about it. Granted a can of pepper spray and a .380 with 5 rounds isn't much, however I think most criminals look for people who have no way to defend themselves and it is my hope is that it will be enough, God forbid I'm ever in that situation.
That said I do believe there are some people who put themselves in a worse situation by having a firearm. In my experience there are two types.
The first type are the: I'll rack the shotgun and scare them or I'll shoot the gun out of their hand types" They haven't ever had a confrontation with somebody hopped up on drugs and is out of their mind... These people are at high risk of being disarmed and shot with their own weapon.
The second type are the: Ones that think having a gun makes them bigger and badder then they really are and gives them courage that they don't really have. These types risk writing checks that they can't cash and getting shot or jumped.
I also think that growing up with firearms makes a big difference. I received my first firearm more then 40 years ago and I grew up around them. I don't believe having one in my possession gives me superpowers, nor am I deluded about what I would have to do if I ever had to use one to protect my life or my families life. I pray to God that day never comes.
The only time I open carry is if I'm hunting, as I carry a .45 or a G17 during those times in addition to my .380. I believe that given the option to carry concealed it is always better because like a knife, the deployment of a firearm from a concealed position with the element of surprise is always going to be more effective.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Shuffler on October 10, 2025, 10:01:22 AM
I carry mine on my hip under my shirt. Not open carry but it may show at times. Open carry can make you the first target for the turds.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 10, 2025, 10:45:30 AM
Not true. Thats a claim, not fact. Its a form of denial. If you make this claim then back it up with what proves it. You also were in denial about TX AC problems that were easily dispelled.
Court dockets are public , they do not have to be “reported” its open access. To not report it on record would be a crime, coverup. Which means you have to coverup a murder for it not to be there.
Unless you point out how thats done its just an erroneous comment, which is purely political. And thats how you slip into political darkness.
Denial is a helluva drug. You have this habit with anything TX. You are prone to conspiracies
Actually, that fact has been published. But don't let that change your mind.
No, the DoJ does not have someone actually reviewing every court docket in the U.S. The DoJ actually depends upon the local and state agencies and courts to report their own crime statistics.
Hell, it's a proven fact that even federal government entities do not report to each other. There have been dozens of reported cases of federal government agencies failing to report offenses and adjudications to the proper agencies in order to prevent people who shouldn't have access to firearms from passing a federal background check.
But hey, you keep denying facts, and screaming about people posting politics, it's what you do, we wouldn't know you otherwise.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 10, 2025, 10:47:50 AM
I carry mine on my hip under my shirt. Not open carry but it may show at times. Open carry can make you the first target for the turds.
I have various holsters for a number of different firearms. Being over 6'1", and over 240#, there's a lot I can hide. I often carry large frame and full size pistols.
And yeah, open carry makes you a target, and a spectacle.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: AKIron on October 10, 2025, 10:48:44 AM
Not true. Thats a claim, not fact. Its a form of denial. If you make this claim then back it up with what proves it. You also were in denial about TX AC problems that were easily dispelled.
Court dockets are public , they do not have to be “reported” its open access. To not report it on record would be a crime, coverup. Which means you have to coverup a murder for it not to be there.
Unless you point out how thats done its just an erroneous comment, which is purely political. And thats how you slip into political darkness.
Denial is a helluva drug. You have this habit with anything TX. You are prone to conspiracies
Who is in denial? Maybe do a bit of research once in a while. NYC and LA are still not reporting all their crime. These are pretty significant sized cities.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 10, 2025, 10:57:15 AM
Actually, that fact has been published. But don't let that change your mind.
No, the DoJ does not have someone actually reviewing every court docket in the U.S. The DoJ actually depends upon the local and state agencies and courts to report their own crime statistics.
Hell, it's a proven fact that even federal government entities do not report to each other. There have been dozens of reported cases of federal government agencies failing to report offenses and adjudications to the proper agencies in order to prevent people who shouldn't have access to firearms from passing a federal background check.
But hey, you keep denying facts, and screaming about people posting politics, it's what you do, we wouldn't know you otherwise.
Nonsense. They are tallied automatically. You do not kniw what you’re talking about. You are 100% political talking points. You prove nothing
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 10, 2025, 10:57:54 AM
Not true. Thats a claim, not fact. Its a form of denial. If you make this claim then back it up with what proves it. You also were in denial about TX AC problems that were easily dispelled.
Court dockets are public , they do not have to be “reported” its open access. To not report it on record would be a crime, coverup. Which means you have to coverup a murder for it not to be there.
Unless you point out how thats done its just an erroneous comment, which is purely political. And thats how you slip into political darkness.
Denial is a helluva drug. You have this habit with anything TX. You are prone to conspiracies
Who is in denial? Maybe do a bit of research once in a while. NYC and LA are still not reporting all their crime. These are pretty significant sized cities.
You are, you gave not the slightest clue what you are talking about, zero
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 10, 2025, 11:02:20 AM
The bottom line of all of this is to have our streets safe with no need to carry a gun.
We could have a bump up in our economy if we built more prisons.
More prisons are not a real solution. Besides, you have criminals on the streets with 40 or more arrests for violent crimes, and not due to "over crowding".
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 10, 2025, 11:15:58 AM
The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program generates reliable statistics for use in law enforcement. It also provides information for students of criminal justice, researchers, the media, and the public. The program has been providing crime statistics since 1930.
The UCR Program includes data from more than 18,000 city, university and college, county, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies. Agencies participate voluntarily and submit their crime data either through a state UCR program or directly to the FBI's UCR Program.
Yes, participation is voluntary as per the official FBI statement on their own page. Easily accessed basic public information, published by the very federal government agency in question, and responsible. VOLUNTARY
https://bjs.ojp.gov/
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Shuffler on October 10, 2025, 11:16:35 AM
I have no idea why yall waste you time with that guy. He doesn't read, he will not investigate, he only goes by what someone he looks up to has told him... and they were just like him.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 10, 2025, 11:35:12 AM
I have no idea why yall waste you time with that guy. He doesn't read, he will not investigate, he only goes by what someone he looks up to has told him... and they were just like him.
I usually post so that others who can and will listen and learn have an opportunity.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 10, 2025, 12:25:13 PM
I asked the question as I can't recall a news story where the shooter bad guy had a cw or open carry...the heroes of some of these stories were cw thank goodness..
And before florida went open carry it had become cw without the need to be permitted...
Zero news stories in florida where the bad guy in a shooting news story was cw...usually involves the usual suspects shooting their own for one stupid gang/drug related reason or another..
I doubt the dildos walking or riding around with this new open carry will be the start of any new gun violence either...it helps to have the law abiding ppl to be as armed as their criminal counterparts imo..
Eagler
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 10, 2025, 12:33:37 PM
I asked the question as I can't recall a news story where the shooter bad guy had a cw or open carry...the heroes of some of these stories were cw thank goodness..
And before florida went open carry it had become cw without the need to be permitted...
Zero news stories in florida where the bad guy in a shooting news story was cw...usually involves the usual suspects shooting there own for one stupid gang/drug related reason or another..
I doubt the dildos walking or riding around with this new open carry will be the start of any new gun violence either...it helps to have the law abiding ppl to be as armed as their criminal counterparts imo..
Eagler
There have been a few. Several cases of bad or stupid shoots. Some of idiots going too far.
It's like everything else. To one degree or another, almost every, if not every group, contains a cross section of society, both good and bad. This applies to those possessing a permit, and those availing themselves of "Constitutional carry".
I do not disagree that arming law abiding citizens helps more often than not. I also agree that some citizens, even law abiding, would be better unarmed. Like any other tool, a firearm is sometimes misused because it is on the wrong hands.Sadly, some people are so lacking in self control that a firearm, like a vehicle with plenty of power, is a bad thing in their hands. Some people, given a hammer, believe everything to be a nail.
You simply cannot restrict liberty because some would misuse or abuse it. That's never a solution.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 10, 2025, 01:04:48 PM
I have no idea why yall waste you time with that guy. He doesn't read, he will not investigate, he only goes by what someone he looks up to has told him... and they were just like him.
BS FO. Ignorant fluffs. The stupidity is repugnant
You morons could make a PBJ political. You repulse the entire world with your factless delusional drivel s 5 yr okd could prove. Brain dead mouthy punks. You Make rocks appear brilliant. You ruin EVERYTHING with your snotty noses. Thank god you are a 34% minority. Ya have to dump 40 IQ points to waste time talking to you
35 yrs is probsbly linger than you, you stood up fir a habitual drama queen.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: RUSH1 on October 10, 2025, 01:19:21 PM
BS FO. Ignorant fluffs. The stupidity is repugnant
You morons could make a PBJ political. You repulse the entire world with your factless delusional drivel s 5 yr okd could prove. Brain dead mouthy punks. You Make rocks appear brilliant. You ruin EVERYTHING with your snotty noses. Thank god you are a 34% minority. Ya have to dump 40 IQ points to waste time talking to you
35 yrs is probsbly linger than you, you stood up fir a habitual drama queen.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Animl-AW on October 10, 2025, 01:24:49 PM
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 10, 2025, 03:03:08 PM
Wow Animl-AW..you're ready to chase original players away from this bbs and possibly the game with ridiculous name calling and outright disrespect all because of your political pov?
Get a life bud and maybe stay away from whatever fires you up so..
Eagler
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: hazmatt on October 10, 2025, 03:35:32 PM
That's interesting. I haven't seen many people open carrying at all in the Texoma area, however I suspect there are many concealed carrying.
I think it all comes down to your mindset. I agree that some of those guys are wannabes. I remember watching the video of some couple shooting up a Walmart and one of those wannabe heros getting himself killed. My wife and I watched the video and we both agreed that instead of chasing/engaging the shooter, we would have gone out the door after the shooter passed even though both of us are always armed.
I carry because since I'm older I don't think and can't fight like I did 30 years ago and I never want to be in a position where I have to watch something happen to my wife or kids because I can't do anything about it. Granted a can of pepper spray and a .380 with 5 rounds isn't much, however I think most criminals look for people who have no way to defend themselves and it is my hope is that it will be enough, God forbid I'm ever in that situation.
That said I do believe there are some people who put themselves in a worse situation by having a firearm. In my experience there are two types.
The first type are the: I'll rack the shotgun and scare them or I'll shoot the gun out of their hand types" They haven't ever had a confrontation with somebody hopped up on drugs and is out of their mind... These people are at high risk of being disarmed and shot with their own weapon.
The second type are the: Ones that think having a gun makes them bigger and badder then they really are and gives them courage that they don't really have. These types risk writing checks that they can't cash and getting shot or jumped.
I also think that growing up with firearms makes a big difference. I received my first firearm more then 40 years ago and I grew up around them. I don't believe having one in my possession gives me superpowers, nor am I deluded about what I would have to do if I ever had to use one to protect my life or my families life. I pray to God that day never comes.
The only time I open carry is if I'm hunting, as I carry a .45 or a G17 during those times in addition to my .380. I believe that given the option to carry concealed it is always better because like a knife, the deployment of a firearm from a concealed position with the element of surprise is always going to be more effective.
I disagree there are more than two types This has stuck with me my whole life. In basic training at the range they asked us to look at our weapon and what you don't see. There is no eraser on the muzzle what ever you do is permanent. There is a round chambered with buckshot in my 870 its not loaded to scare anyone just to defend house and home. I carry CCW round chambered. I don't display it to the public. Just want to go about my business unharmed. Here in Kalifornia car jacking is quite popular always pump gas back to vec SO I say their are some who carry strictly for personal defense not for their ego just trying to go thru life not hurting anyone and not being hurt Hope for the best prepare for the worst
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: hazmatt on October 10, 2025, 08:43:29 PM
Interesting, who is going to decide what type the 2A excludes?
I guess I wasn't clear on that. I don't think anybody should be "excluded".
What I mean is some people do bad things when they drink. After a while they might figure it out and decide they shouldn't drink. If somebody thinks they might kill somebody because they have anger management issues, they might thing that owning a firearm is not a good idea for them. I have a friend who's always talking about buying a firearm but he watched too much Lone Ranger or something and thinks he's going to shoot the gun out of their hand or something like in the movies. This guy has never shot a gun or had any training. I recommended that he buy some pepper spray or a taser instead. I guess what I'm trying to say is some people might figure out that owning one might not be a positive.
The law excludes people who have committed violent crimes, although I think if you have "paid you're debt to society" that you should have your rights restored. I guess that's a "who is going to decide what type the 2A excludes?"
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: LCADolby on October 11, 2025, 08:18:43 AM
I'll decide.. If you want to reduce gun associated crime to negligible levels in this day and age within America, especially in inner cities, exclude Socialists from owning guns. :old: :ahand
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 11, 2025, 08:40:09 AM
I keep and bear arms for all the intended purposes. I carry, for the defense of me and mine from those who would do harm. I keep them in my home for the defense of my home, myself, and mine. I keep them to hunt, for food and for leisure. I keep them for sporting and hobby purposes. And I keep them to secure me and mine from tyranny if necessary.
I do not believe there should be limits on what citizens should possess. Nor a registry or taxation.
I agree that those adjudicated violent felons and/or mentally defective should not possess weapons. There should be some sort of mechanism to reverse such adjudication, if warranted.
There are those that should know, and should be informed/advised that they should not possess or carry, but unless and until they are adjudicated as such, they should not be legally prevented from doing so.
The 2nd Amendment means what it says.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: AKIron on October 11, 2025, 09:10:49 AM
There is provision to amend our Constitution but the 2nd Amendment will not be abolished anytime soon because most people want to keep that right.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 11, 2025, 10:03:52 AM
We aren't Great Britain or some European country that is the size of one or two of our states...
Way too many weapons in circulation here to do much more than try to manage the issue by cost manipulation..
Making it too expensive for some will keep some away but would not affect those with guns that are causing issues with them now..
Strange how some think additional laws will work when the ones out there now are not followed by the criminals nor enforced by the problem judges now..
Eagler
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 11, 2025, 10:16:58 AM
We aren't Great Britain or some European country that is the size of one or two of our states...
Way too many weapons in circulation here to do much more than try to manage the issue by cost manipulation..
Making it too expensive for some will keep some away but would not affect those with guns that are causing issues with them now..
Strange how some think additional laws will work when the ones out there now are not followed by the criminals nor enforced by the problem judges now..
Eagler
Laws do not prevent murder. Firearms laws do not prevent crimes committed with firearms.
Firearms are not the source of crime, they're one of many tools used in the commission of crimes.
Disarming law abiding citizens in any manner will not prevent criminals from committing crimes in any number of manners, it will merely render law abiding citizens more defenseless.
There are 28,000 +/- local state and federal firearms laws, regulations, and restrictions on the books. Many of them are not even enforced, even by those demanding more of same.
There is no reason to think that any further legislation or regulation will reduce the misuse of firearms.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Busher on October 11, 2025, 10:54:51 AM
Laws do not prevent murder. Firearms laws do not prevent crimes committed with firearms.
Firearms are not the source of crime, they're one of many tools used in the commission of crimes.
Disarming law abiding citizens in any manner will not prevent criminals from committing crimes in any number of manners, it will merely render law abiding citizens more defenseless.
There are 28,000 +/- local state and federal firearms laws, regulations, and restrictions on the books. Many of them are not even enforced, even by those demanding more of same.
There is no reason to think that any further legislation or regulation will reduce the misuse of firearms.
You define the issue here quite eloquently. So now with the division as widespread as it is, can you offer a solution?
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 11, 2025, 11:04:46 AM
"It will always remain one of democracy's best jokes that it provided its deadly enemies with the means by which it was destroyed."
-Joseph Goebbels
Hence, the Founding Fathers did NOT create a "democracy", the word appears nowhere in the Founding Documents, because the Founding Fathers universally despised democracy as mob rule, and a path to national suicide.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 12, 2025, 10:09:24 AM
Doesn't mean he wasn't correct...nothing to do with guns, the ballot box will be the weapon..
We are doing just that..see the current attempt to rebalance being now described as extreme..
Eagler
There is a reason that certain groups scream "our democracy is in peril!", when we have never had a democracy. Note those same people cry about the Electoral College. They seek to change the Republic to a democracy, in order to create mob rule, to force their will upon the rest.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 12, 2025, 10:16:14 AM
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-John Adams
Wise words, from the man universally regarded as the Father/author of the document in question. Written to a militia, in fact, as the Republic didn't have a standing army.
It should be noted that, as the nation suffers moral decay, and becomes secular, It also struggles and suffers in most every area, and the government continually grows in power. As the government grows, the individual, and his liberty become smaller.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 12, 2025, 10:20:44 AM
"It will always remain one of democracy's best jokes that it provided its deadly enemies with the means by which it was destroyed."
-Joseph Goebbels
It should be noted that, preceding him, and those like him, coming to power, the general population was disarmed. And after he, and those like him, rose to power, those disarmed, and tens of millions more, were slaughtered. That applies to many nations and regions. It is universally true, and in the previous century, the death tolled exceeds one hundred million with ease.
Armed people will not generally allow themselves to be loaded into box cars.
I'm surprised the thread isn't locked already.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Busher on October 12, 2025, 10:46:35 AM
"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted"
-James Madison
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 12, 2025, 12:00:09 PM
"The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted"
-James Madison
Absolutely.
I trust none of them.
If men were angels, government would not be necessary. Men are not angels, government is a necessary evil. I don't even trust the people I vote for, and I'll light them up if my lack of trust is proven correct. I disagree on some things with ALL of them. I disagree regularly with the president, senators, and congressman I voted for, as well as the state and local office holders, and I let them know consistently.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: AKIron on October 12, 2025, 12:15:36 PM
“To believe all men honest is folly. To believe none is something worse.” ― John Adams
Power can corrupt and so balance of power within our government must be maintained.
By balance I do not mean between two parties or good and evil. Obviously between the three branches and all those holding office within should be trustworthy or cast out.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: AKIron on October 12, 2025, 12:23:54 PM
"Trust, but verify."
-RR
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 12, 2025, 05:23:40 PM
“To believe all men honest is folly. To believe none is something worse.” ― John Adams
Power can corrupt and so balance of power within our government must be maintained.
By balance I do not mean between two parties or good and evil. Obviously between the three branches and all those holding office within should be trustworthy or cast out.
I do not believe no men are honest. I believe few, if any, politicians are.
The balance between the branches is trashed. Mostly due to congress, they seem to have abdicated their authority and their responsibility on most issues. Congress refuses to control agencies, refuses to set a budget, and refuses to manage its own affairs. The courts are full of, as Jefferson warned, "robed tyrants, who will treat the Constitution as clay in their hands". As is human nature, since congress abdicates its authority and responsibility, both the executive and judicial branches have expanded their own powers. Then there's the nearly completely unaccountable "bureaucracy of administrative experts", created by dirt bag Woodrow Wilson, who believed the common average citizen incapable of governing his own affairs, so he gave us the fabulous deep state cesspool, filled with sewer rats. They create rules, regulations, and general chaos and red tape, while levying ludicrous administrative fees, etc. Sadly, nine months in, after a good start, DOGE has gone mostly silent, I had hoped they'd continue for the entire four years. Of course, as expected, congress has failed to codify what DOGE did accomplish, so the next leftist administration and/or congress can go in and refill the cesspool, and repopulate it with unaccountable bureaucratic sewer rats.
Title: Re: Open Carry
Post by: Eagler on October 12, 2025, 05:39:00 PM
Don't think they had the autopen in mind in 1776...