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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: uptown on July 16, 2013, 02:41:29 PM
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Looking at the ranks today I noticed that the worst ranks were just under 3000. I remember just 2 or 3 years ago that number was 5000 or so. Where have almost half the player base gone and why? AcesHigh has been improving as far as newly added planes and GVs. The gameplay itself is the same IMO. So what gives? Is it the graphics that's running folks off? I don't shop around for games to play, so I don't know what's out there, but the graphics seem okay to me. :headscratch:
I would of guessed that when FA folded, AcesHigh numbers would go up.......not down. :frown:
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12 hour side switch
stale gameplay
competing games with decent graphics AND a much lower skill ceiling (which is what the majority of players seem to desire)
don't get me wrong, i still subscribe and try to fly when i have time...but the first two points i mentioned are big turnoffs fornme when i think 'hmmm...should i fire up AH?'
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I'm guessing the economy has a lot to do with it. The traditional increase of summer squeakers seems way down this year...mebbe that's a good thing :banana:
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Hording, HOing and a general lack of sportsmanship. Run away at the FIRST sign of competition. Worst of all....the people who defend such tactics. The game's going to pot and if the players don't change how they play, soon, the only players will be the HOers, runners and their apologists. Once that happens....no AH.
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competing games with decent graphics AND a much lower skill ceiling (which is what the majority of players seem to desire)
My bet's on this one.
- oldman
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Couple of years ago they did a commercial on discovery and military channel that got lots of new blood in. Sadly no new easy targets to shot down except uptown :devil
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I'm flying less myself maybe an hour this month, 5-6 planes gang on 1, the anything for a kill players, alt monkey bombers, the horde style tactics... Will taking a break from the game change the way its currently being played.... Most likely not.
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Hording, HOing and a general lack of sportsmanship. Run away at the FIRST sign of competition. Worst of all....the people who defend such tactics. The game's going to pot and if the players don't change how they play, soon, the only players will be the HOers, runners and their apologists. Once that happens....no AH.
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Facepalm1.jpg)
so much fail...
competing games with decent graphics AND a much lower skill ceiling (which is what the majority of players seem to desire)
that is the bigger reason...
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There is a recession on :old:
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Looking at the ranks today I noticed that the worst ranks were just under 3000. I remember just 2 or 3 years ago that number was 5000 or so. Where have almost half the player base gone and why? AcesHigh has been improving as far as newly added planes and GVs. The gameplay itself is the same IMO. So what gives? Is it the graphics that's running folks off? I don't shop around for games to play, so I don't know what's out there, but the graphics seem okay to me. :headscratch:
I would of guessed that when FA folded, AcesHigh numbers would go up.......not down. :frown:
:airplane: Graphics and making the game a little more realistic, such as "eye" candy, aircraft sitting on ramps at fields, trucks and jeeps parked or moving about, less "pilot wounds" and more aircraft damage instead.
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I haven't played for a year but still maintain my account. Will probably be back one of these days.
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I think it is just might be aging with time. I mean look at the plane sets we are talking like from 1938 to 1950 give or take. I think more of the younger guys look at it like a video game and want to win even if its gaming the game. I think more of the older guys born from like 1950 to 1980 might look at this as a WWII flight sim and not just a video game, I know i do built a chair cockpit and all and was building WWII planes back in the late 60's :cool:. Most of the old timers I talk to like myself all say its about the hand shacking palm sweating fight you have not the kill and a score that seems to be what a lot of these guys want now (and they think these defines them as being good or just wining). Hey maybe its just me I don't know but that's my 50 cents worth (inflation)
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iKo, I liked your P-51 vs. P-51 vid. :aok
Off topic question: your TrackIR setup seems to work really well. Did you have to screw with any settings, or just default setup for TrackIR?
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Family and everyday life takes most of my time, not much time left to play anymore. But I keep my subscription running anyway, just in case I get to play a couple of hours now and then. But I usually don't get more than 5-6 hours a month anymore, and that's too little to even get the practice I need to fly any good. :bhead
Not played a single sortie for a couple of weeks or so now, hope to be able to play a few hours again one of these nights. :joystick: :salute
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12 hour side switch
stale gameplay
Bang on. :old:
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I look for an opponents flying aircraft with the same skill level as me, using our main rides tactics to have a drawn out fight to the death.
Last guy I ran into was Fbclueles: his ki61 vs my -1A.
Another is Angel. We literally had a 10-15 minute fight in the DA. Re-merging when a "kill" happened
Sometimes you just have to look.
List of guys in game that while no the best, are good in a fight aka will take a minute for them to kill you or for you to kill them
Waxx
Raz299
Nikonguy/RZ237 or what ever it is :D
Triton1
Alfamega
Mir
Spork
SHawk
Shiv
Specs
Surfinn(when he isn't busy trying to BnZ from 20k)
Jayro(when you catch co alt)
Incrypt
Imadot
Rocky
Doc72Ch
Duk190
Wafer
Bearcat8
Latrobe
Redbull
Angel
and of course myself
and these are just off the top of my head
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iKo, I liked your P-51 vs. P-51 vid. :aok
Off topic question: your TrackIR setup seems to work really well. Did you have to screw with any settings, or just default setup for TrackIR?
Yes i did change IRtracker but very little PM me or look me up in game and ill tell you what i did and send you the setup.
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Yes i did change IRtracker but very little PM me or look me up in game and ill tell you what i did and send you the setup.
....or you could post the file here, I collect such things.
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List of guys in game that while no the best, are good in a fight aka will take a minute for them to kill you or for you to kill them
Come to the DA more I am always there and add me to your list for a :salute always looking for new blood and good fights.
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....or you could post the file here, I collect such things.
Here you go
DL iKo TrackIR setings Here (http://home.comcast.net/~udlike2no2/ah2/AH_iko.zip) The speed is at 0.4 and 50 smooth and only use the Yaw,pitch and trueview F11 precision settings but the key is to set up all your views in the planes just like you where using a Hat switch with Tracker OFF. This way you do not have to move your whole body around. Only works with yaw and pitch and i tried to set it for 2 types of setting to use all the axis but when you use all it don't go back to just yaw and pitch without rebooting game.
here is my setup home cockpit Shown here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,336381.msg4454013.html#msg4454013)Upgraded the X52 stick for a 568 CH combat stick i like better but still use the x52 throttle.
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The same six people still play, they just have fewer shade names.
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The gaming industry in general has seen a down turn over the last few years. Home PC sales have slid their worst in history in the last couple of years, due to Win8 and many other factors. This all has a trickle down affect to AH I'm sure, in addition to the "in game" reasons that could or could not have something to do with reduced numbers.
Let's face it, it's a niche market, and a VERY steep learning curve. Not only does a new player need to learn to fly, not an simple endeavor to a newcomer without flight sim or flight experience in general, but then they have to learn to FIGHT, as well as all the little things that make the game work. In today's first person or real time strategy mentality of point and click, there isn't a lot of people out looking for this type of game. The one exception to this IMO is the game EVE Online, which to me is far more complex than Aces High ever was to figure out, yet they have over one hundred thousand subscribers at times, with over 30k online at a time whenever I've tried it. I just don't get it, it's an anomaly to me really, why they can muster such numbers and AH doesn't.
I'm sure with an unlimited budget, much could be done about increasing numbers with advertising and aggressive marketing, but let's face it, that sort of thing costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, or more, and a company with say 3000 or so subscribers, as good as it is, probably would be hurt more than helped by doing this. There is also the point about how big you actually want to go.
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12 hour side switch
stale gameplay
competing games with decent graphics AND a much lower skill ceiling (which is what the majority of players seem to desire)
don't get me wrong, i still subscribe and try to fly when i have time...but the first two points i mentioned are big turnoffs fornme when i think 'hmmm...should i fire up AH?'
Hording, HOing and a general lack of sportsmanship. Run away at the FIRST sign of competition. Worst of all....the people who defend such tactics. The game's going to pot and if the players don't change how they play, soon, the only players will be the HOers, runners and their apologists. Once that happens....no AH.
I agree with both of these.
The 12 hour rule just plain sucks. Too many times I'll spend an hour or so just flying a buff or something milking towns or strats just to kill time until a fight breaks our.
Graphics, while to many it's "not a big deal" todays players are much more fickle and block buster graphics are one of the main things they are looking for. Remember, were not talking about why those of us stay, but why more and more people seem to be leaving.
Poor game play, HOing, hordes, poor sportsmanship are all the same thing. We have a lovely little cesspool of toxic waste we play in these days. I'm surprised any new player comes back after their first night of playing sometimes it gets that bad.
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I always leave after a month or two for a while since the gameplay gets stale after a while. It's more or less the same for me everyday, find a darbar, up a plane get 10-20 kills, log and go play something else. I don't know what else they can change to breathe new life into the game besides new planes/vehicles. Graphics? Like that's ever going to happen any time soon. New maps? Newest map by Greebo didn't seem to change much even though it was a decent map. Only reason I come back is because of my love for WWII planes and to see some old faces once in a while.
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The one exception to this IMO is the game EVE Online, which to me is far more complex than Aces High ever was to figure out, yet they have over one hundred thousand subscribers at times, with over 30k online at a time whenever I've tried it. I just don't get it, it's an anomaly to me really, why they can muster such numbers and AH doesn't.
AH universe is much blander, and is below population critical mass (imagine EVE politics with AH population size). And EVE is pure thinking whereas AH puts all thinking thru hand/joystick buffer. Just like you can could be good in FPS theory IE video game, but then not manage to translate that in practice IE paintball or actual war. It just seems too esoteric in an uncool, outdated 1920s racing goggles way.
Also... I reckon for most video game players, weapons that can shoot across half a star system and giant star destroyers and whatnot are just more attractive than vintage prop machines. Kinda like... top tier video game franchises like F1 or MotoGP etc could keep going and, despite bad physics authenticity, consistently dwarf a small time "generic" race sim like LFS despite latter's premium physics.
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For all of you folks looking for a change of pace, I invite you to fly in "This Day in WWII" events.
Next one is Battle of Britain on August 13 (anniversary of Eagle Day).
http://ahevents.org/events/this-day-in-wwii/604.html?task=view
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Long time Passing.....
Where have all the Players gone? Long time ago.......
Where have all the players gone.. Picked by Debrody every one.....
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn? ...
Where have all the Fighters gone, long time passing?
Where have all the Bombers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the Jabos gone?
Ho'ed by Bishes everyone
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Where have all the good times gone.... long time passing?
Where have all the the buds gone..... long time ago?
Where have all the ole dweebs gone?
We miss them more than everyone......
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Where have all the Defenders gone, long time passing?
Where have all the Raiders gone, long time ago?
Where have all the Best ones gone?
Gone to graveyards, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Where have all the Memorials gone, long time passing....?
Where have all the Scenarios gone, long time ago.....?
Where have all the Great Ones gone...?
If it wasnt for Brooke they would all be gone...
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they eeeevvvver learn?
:cry,
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during summer many people are out and about, traveling, spending time with family, whatever. . . things generally pick back up mid sept/oct.
As for the previous comments about difficulty - it is an asset too. . .
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during summer many people are out and about, traveling, spending time with family, whatever. . . things generally pick back up mid sept/oct.
This. At least for me this has been the reason for almost every summer except for the last one when it was raining most of the time.
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12 hour side switch
stale gameplay
competing games with decent graphics AND a much lower skill ceiling (which is what the majority of players seem to desire)
don't get me wrong, i still subscribe and try to fly when i have time...but the first two points i mentioned are big turnoffs fornme when i think 'hmmm...should i fire up AH?'
This ^
And $15 a month is way too much for AH. This game is way out dated as far as graphics. Same old played out stale maps for the last few years. Same people doing the same exact thing every single night. It becomes very boring after a while.
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(http://www.millan.net/anims/gifs/mainstream.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvlW4bEjB5A
Slow down, don't move too fast
You've got to make the morning last
Kickin' down the cobblestones
Lookin' for fun and feelin' groovy
Feelin' groovy
Hello little folks, what you know
I've come to watch the flowers grow
Now ain't you got no rhyme for me
Doo doo doo feelin' groovy
Feelin' groovy
I've got no deeds to do, no promises to keep
I'm baffled and drowsy and ready for sleep
Like a morning to cast all the petals on me
Life, I love you, all is groovy
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You are weird.
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The question is where have they gone? the answer is Elsewhere, who cares , many come back, i took a few years off and am enjoying it again, for now.
As far as new players go, its never going to be a fair expectation for a newbie to start up and reasonably catch up to guys with a decades worth of flight sim experience. The games they build now are mostly pay to win, you invest in the game and you get further. Kids want it yesterday , and they drive the market. Embrace the newb, help them out, teach them, the learning curve is steep and unforgiving.
As we grow old, so does the game, i hope i get an invite to HiTecs funeral, if i outlive him, i did, afterall, help pay for it.
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I think it is just might be aging with time. I mean look at the plane sets we are talking like from 1938 to 1950 give or take. I think more of the younger guys look at it like a video game and want to win even if its gaming the game. I think more of the older guys born from like 1950 to 1980 might look at this as a WWII flight sim and not just a video game, I know i do built a chair cockpit and all and was building WWII planes back in the late 60's :cool:. Most of the old timers I talk to like myself all say its about the hand shacking palm sweating fight you have not the kill and a score that seems to be what a lot of these guys want now (and they think these defines them as being good or just wining). Hey maybe its just me I don't know but that's my 50 cents worth (inflation)
:aok
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Declining PC sales due to tablets, laps and Xbox like gaming machines maybe the biggest single problem.
Poor economy
Increased working hours to keep your job.
What can be done
There is an old marketing example that seems to fit here.
"When you go to the hardware store to by a 1/4" drill what you really want is a 1/4" hole.
AH can't bet Xbox in games with graphics an such. They just don't have the staff and large enough market share I would guess to make it practical. Keep in mind too the power these Xbox like machines have.
They do have a fine roll-playing simulation that gives you a chance to be something you can't be. They should market the experience of being a fighter pilot or tank commander on their web site.
Something like this perspective.
Aces High skies are filled with fighter Aces. Can you develop the flying skills and killer instinct to become an Ace or you just not good enough?
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Games need to evolve to keep being interresting. Someone quoted eve online, which over the decade evolved tremedously (night and day, really), while aces high didn't change much.
The MA gameplay is stale, lame, and htc doesn't seem to be interrested in changing it.
Up a plane, get horded, get another one, climb into a good position o get revenge, just to discover the horde moved on to somewhere undefended, puff acks kill you. Rage quit to another game where you can actually have fun.
We need choke points on the map to garantee some fun in the MA for the people who want to fight and only have a couple hours to spare.
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For the ADD crowd the game may have to evolve at light speed to keep their attention. For Aces High, it's pretty much a case of 15 years and still going strong. Subscriptions ebb and flow like the tide. There is a loyal customer core that is still pretty much content.
And, in all honesty, a game that doesn't require it's customer base to constantly race to stay on top of the cutting edge in equipment in order to play is probably better off in the recessed economy everyone mentions.
If it ain't broke ......
:D
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It's more or less the same for me everyday, find a darbar, up a plane get 10-20 kills
When has that ever happened? Seriously, in one sortie? :neener: :bolt:
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When has that ever happened? Seriously, in one sortie? :neener: :bolt:
In multiple sorties. :old:
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Only two countries (delete Bisch! :bolt:). Three sides is illogical and makes too much chaos.
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When I first started playing AH I could roll for hours on end. Now? Its amazing how your 50's can take the juice out of you.
Older players cant, or wont, sit there for hours at a time playing and the AH crowd is pretty old compared to other games. And once you retire $15 a month takes on new meaning. Most of all with the Govt.'s policy of screwing the working stiff.
AH2, when it first came out, was pretty remarkable and innovative. Now its only one of a long list of online games, and a pretty dated one at that. Theres just to much competition. The game has gotten stale, as has the game play. The graphics are dated.
All of the above.
I still think its a great flight model and code thats written beautifully. If they update the graphics and make some changes to the game play I'd bet many would come back. But just introducing new models will not do it.
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Declining PC sales due to tablets, laps and Xbox like gaming machines maybe the biggest single problem.
Poor economy
Increased working hours to keep your job.
What can be done
There is an old marketing example that seems to fit here.
"When you go to the hardware store to by a 1/4" drill what you really want is a 1/4" hole.
AH can't bet Xbox in games with graphics an such. They just don't have the staff and large enough market share I would guess to make it practical. Keep in mind too the power these Xbox like machines have.
They do have a fine roll-playing simulation that gives you a chance to be something you can't be. They should market the experience of being a fighter pilot or tank commander on their web site.
Something like this perspective.
Aces High skies are filled with fighter Aces. Can you develop the flying skills and killer instinct to become an Ace or you just not good enough?
Current PCs are already more powerful than the next generation XBOX....
Also.....power....you mean as intergrated APU which will just die off in terms of playing something at 60fps in 1080p in a year?
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12 hour side switch
stale gameplay
competing games with decent graphics AND a much lower skill ceiling (which is what the majority of players seem to desire)
don't get me wrong, i still subscribe and try to fly when i have time...but the first two points i mentioned are big turnoffs fornme when i think 'hmmm...should i fire up AH?'
This!
Also something I can't put my finger on. The flight models may be the best out there, the GV system is good, the graphics may not be the best but it's a suitable trade off for the excellent flight modeling.
Once in a while I get the itch to return but there is just something lacking that stops me, something significant yet small in some way. Just can't put my finger on it.
This game is like an beautiful necklace without the string, each part is awesome and beautiful on it's own, but there is nothing that binds it into a great piece of jewelry. It is a jumbled massed of excellent pieces and it ends there.
Weird
JUGgler
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Still a problem.
I do not have much time because of work. I started playing. I fly about 20 minutes -30 minutes without fighting.
And then died (ramming hording stupid ho etc) This is boring.
I pay for the $ 15 / month.
Alternative? Free MMO like or Wot or War Thunder .
I saw how Warbirds has died
I wish myself. Long Live for Aces High2, but we need changes...
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I can repeat the long list of flaws in the game mentioned above and add some.
HOWEVER!
The reality is that it has been 12 years and I am still here, still having fun and shelling out my 15$ without remorse in the face of the F2P options out there.
I cannot count the games that have passed through my hard-drive and disappeared within a tiny fraction of that time span of 12 years. When I look at the player names I keep seeing names poping back from years ago. The AH core community is the one that is stale and aging. No matter how much we complain, we still return over and over again. This community is part of what keeps me in the game. I like it that I "know" the players that I shoot down, that shoot me down or fly around me. I can often recognize an enemy player by the plane type and how he flies it. This can only happen in a small and tight community with very little change over the years. Every other online game I played, I played it with random strangers. I got to know a handful of players in my organization/guild/whatever and that's it.
AH still offers a combination of realism, history and physics that exists no where else. I also like it that I am nearly 40 and still feel young in this crowd and my squadron. There is no new player base out there to the flying game. The number of 20 years olds and below that have any interest in flight sims and aviation history of WWII is tiny. Perhaps the ground game can bring a few new players. Sadly, I have no interest in this aspect of the game.
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I might be a bit late to the party, but i'll give my reason.
The gameplay never changes. I still come around once a year but no more than a single month sub. to the game. Its always the same, get a plane and kill someone then get shot down or land. The worst part is that 90% of the opposition is in a Runstang/La7 or some other stupid fast bird. People just dive in and dive out, no attempt to fight and when you do get a decent fight its always screwed over by some dooshnozzle.
That is why people leave and go on to a better game.
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I've seen a lot of other games come and go... yet Aces High remains.
And yet, here we still are...playing a very similar game to Warbirds and Air Warrior and Fighter Aces. AND, Aces High is almost 14 years old from Beta 1.0 (where GMan and I started). Still playing the same type of game. What is it about this game that makes it such an appealing franchise?
So yes, our numbers are down, but not to the point where Dale and Doug need to shut the doors (right Dale & Doug....right?)
H O W E V E R. PC's are lasting longer. PC's don't need to be replaced every year. PC's dont' need to be refreshed as often which is WHY PC sales are still in the healthy segment. PC sales are declining yet there are still a very HEALTHY number of PC's in peoples homes that can run Aces High.
If D&D want to increase #'s, perhaps they need to attract more tankers and ship lovers and rebrand Aces High as a all-around WWII combat simulator?
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Bozon has a point here
While being an excellent simulator ah misses a few features to make it an interresting/funny GAME. Loads of players nowadays are here to have FUN, the heresy.
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I guess they all get tired of me shooting them down..
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Funny ... game? 'You Don't Know Jack' is a 'funny' game. :D
Now, we have some funny players. I believe that counts for more. And as far as interesting goes, you get out of AH what you put into AH. What 'interesting' stuff do you want coded that players can't do with what's already coded? :)
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I love AH2 too , but my question is. How many players need HTC to exist and develop?
Time may be coming when the number is no longer enough
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And yet HTC hasn't changed it's business model or raised it's rate. Makes me feel like the sky's still where it's supposed to be.
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I guess they all get tired of me shooting them down..
:rofl :rofl :rofl
been here since I was 14. I'm now 20 turning 21 in November. I guess I'm kinda old school in that I don't care about the graphics. I've never had the latest in console gaming. My friends did.
New xbox/ps comes out? Whoopty doo!
I frequently play for 24 hours in one go cause I find this game so entertaing.
I remember AH1(still have I on my cp :rofl)
From what I understand the flight models are spot on, guns are spot on and it's hard to kill other players(sometimes)
I'd play every day, it doesn't get boring(unless I'm on a 3 hour start raid)
Now would it be awesome if the side swith time was diminished? Absoluetly.
Would awesome graphics be cool?yeah.
Is that why I'm here? No. I'm here for the combat, the exsperiance, the kills, and the players online.
And for the most part I am here to stay :salute
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You're a good egg and a bright shining exception to your generation, Z. :D
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H O W E V E R. PC's are lasting longer. PC's don't need to be replaced every year. PC's dont' need to be refreshed as often which is WHY PC sales are still in the healthy segment. PC sales are declining yet there are still a very HEALTHY number of PC's in peoples homes that can run Aces High.
If D&D want to increase #'s, perhaps they need to attract more tankers and ship lovers and rebrand Aces High as a all-around WWII combat simulator?
All around sim means more CPU budget (correct me if Im wrong), which would mean increased PC reqs. Aren't AH gfx what they are so the flight physics get a max of cpu budget?
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My guess to why people return to AH is because it's the only game in its genre. A balanced mixed of realism and gameplay with WWII planes. I've said it before, Rise of Flight is the only flight sim that comes close to AH in terms of gameplay but it's set in WWI. War Thunder is too arcadey, Il-2 Cliffs of Dover is either too arcadey or too realistic depending on what settings you choose, and even with mixed settings it's flight model isn't fluid like AH is.
Take AH, give it Il-2's graphics, and a tank town sized map, and bam, you got a A+++ game. I don't need 20,000 yards draw distance. Halve that, add in some nice fog to cover up the reduced draw distance, and fill in the "leftover" graphics with some nice modern effects. Hell, make it a seperate game but keep AH alive. The new game can follow a free MMO style while the current AH can stay the same for those with PCs from 1999 and prefer the base rolling for $15.
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If D&D want to increase #'s, perhaps they need to attract more tankers and ship lovers and rebrand Aces High as a all-around WWII combat simulator?
I personally think that's the worst thing they could do. The tank/ship aspect of the game is the weakest point of the game because the terrains are so low def, and the resources needed to make them all crispy and shiny don't appear to be being committed. The tanking here is the weakest part of the game, which is confusing me as to why it's so popular.
If it were me, I'd be looking to improve the flight aspect of the game as much as possible, as that's really where the game shines. A more detailed damage model would be the top of my list, also more better clouds (the new ones are an improvement but it could still be better).
Bozon has a point here
While being an excellent simulator ah misses a few features to make it an interresting/funny GAME. Loads of players nowadays are here to have FUN, the heresy.
It allows people to do as they please with few restrictions. This is both attractive and horrifying at the same time, because you're free to do as you want, so are your opponents. For me, AH just wouldn't be AH if it went to some kind of round based instant action type thing like the other games.
I realize what the majority seems to want is some kind of fast, give me a goal I can accomplish in a few minutes
style gameplay, but that just doesn't appeal to me. I want the freedom to decide what I want to do and the ability to make it happen. I think there's a fair number of people in the game who are the same way, and it's probably mostly long time subscribers.
Kind of seems to me they're painted into a corner in some respects. Fast action to be popular for the new style players, or open world no restrictions which is really hard to come by these days. I don't see a way to have one without the other unless they were completely separate arenas. And, if they did that, I don't think the open world arenas would survive for long.
Wiley.
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This was all discussed ad nauseum by the Fighter Ace players before it ended. When you have players who don't pay or play giving their 2 cents in, when you have apologists for those who shade, game the game, HO, ram, RUN WAY and then run their mouths about real life or it's not against the rules...you end up with ....nothing. A game should be played with sportsmanship and honor. No cheating, no gaming the game no running of mouths about I PWNED YOU!!!! Frankly( and I don't care if you like me or not....if you don't PAY AND PLAY, you should keep your freakin mouth shut as to what's wrong with the game.
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This was all discussed ad nauseum by the Fighter Ace players before it ended. When you have players who don't pay or play giving their 2 cents in, when you have apologists for those who shade, game the game, HO, ram, RUN WAY and then run their mouths about real life or it's not against the rules...you end up with ....nothing. A game should be played with sportsmanship and honor. No cheating, no gaming the game no running of mouths about I PWNED YOU!!!! Frankly( and I don't care if you like me or not....if you don't PAY AND PLAY, you should keep your freakin mouth shut as to what's wrong with the game.
exactly
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I think we are worried about the wrong things here. The lawsuit against HTC filed on July 5th is the biggest problem we have moving forward!
But... The other side to the question is, what can be done to improve things in game, other than graphics and gameplay "norms?"
And how can we help do that?
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This was all discussed ad nauseum by the Fighter Ace players before it ended. When you have players who don't pay or play giving their 2 cents in, when you have apologists for those who shade, game the game, HO, ram, RUN WAY and then run their mouths about real life or it's not against the rules...you end up with ....nothing. A game should be played with sportsmanship and honor. No cheating, no gaming the game no running of mouths about I PWNED YOU!!!! Frankly( and I don't care if you like me or not....if you don't PAY AND PLAY, you should keep your freakin mouth shut as to what's wrong with the game.
Who are you ranting at? :headscratch:
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I think we are worried about the wrong things here. The lawsuit against HTC filed on July 5th is the biggest problem we have moving forward!
But... The other side to the question is, what can be done to improve things in game, other than graphics and gameplay "norms?"
And how can we help do that?
I saw your other thread. How big a threat is a lawsuit without merit and precedent already existing against the plaintiff? Are there really mounting legal fees for a case without merit? Counter suit for court and legal fees.
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But that is the worrying part... The legal system doesn't care about the good people, the right people, and lawyers know how to make this crap drag on. HiTech still has to pay the lawayers per hour, no matter how long it takes. The fact that the article exists gives them merit.
I saw your other thread. How big a threat is a lawsuit without merit and precedent already existing against the plaintiff? Are there really mounting legal fees for a case without merit? Counter suit for court and legal fees.
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/153654507/Bad-Pug-Games-response-to-Patent-Troll
"copyright infringement claims surrounding the use of "character-enabled" and "character-attribute data linked with one or more character data."
AHII has no 'characters.' (Unless you personality)
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:rofl
That is awesome!!!
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Funny ... game? 'You Don't Know Jack' is a 'funny' game. :D
Now, we have some funny players. I believe that counts for more. And as far as interesting goes, you get out of AH what you put into AH. What 'interesting' stuff do you want coded that players can't do with what's already coded? :)
nothing, the game is perfect, you can get back back to argue with someone else.
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nothing, the game is perfect, you can get back back to argue with someone else.
I see your point. Well, maybe not. :aok
When you get a chance, say hi to Flossy for me ... and while you're at it, ask her take. :)
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I'm on bipolar/adhd hiatus... I played for a solid year, which is unprecedented for me... I'm currently playing through Morrowind again if that tells you anything about the insanity.
I'm still subscribed though, and I will be back to lame up and/or troll the game/forums again sometime soon.
:salute
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I would say they are playing war thunder's mini FSO pug deathmatches slaughtering the legions of mouse flyers in full realism or historical most likely if they are playing airplane mmos and not playing ah. the gameplay is limited and it is a blatant ripoff of everything every edition of IL2 had from a third party that had access to il2 but its pilot/crew development and aircraft perk purchase system is interesting. its flight model in of itself is good but its data for individual planes is a joke. 5000fpm f4us that cant turn, are incorrectly textured and horrible cockpits that make gunnery a nightmare are a sample of the details the game lacks that AH has iin spades. but the games little touches to its world and the detail of the experience of flight is quite compelling in spite of its problems.
ah still has the best flight modelling, best useable cockpits, best 3d airplane models and skins, best detail under the MMO arena hood but going back and forth the visual eye candy of the world ah gives vs the competition has become somthing of an eyesore in terms of atmospherics, visual effects and ground and sky detail to the point that it can no longer suspend ones disbelief of virtual flight.
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Didja submit that map yet?
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I think that games have to stay cutting edge or they are not going to draw newer players. Other games, some of which are free dl and free to play, which have better graphics and can even be configured to add complexity to the flight controls which makes it less arcade and more flight sim, are going to draw mostly because of the graphics.
I like the community here and I am sorry if things someday die off, I will probably not go to other games. None of them have what I like here. They are to small and try to limit what I choose to fly. I choose to fly a P51 because it is the quintessential WWII fighter to me and I like it. Its why I pay 15 bucks to fly - because it is the reason I am here originally. I am frustrated by the modeling and by the graphics, but the community keeps me here. For now.
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As a side note, I think that the up coming series Air Aces on the Military Channel offers an excellent opportunity for a return of an AH commercial and subsequently an influx of new interested players.
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As a side note, I think that the up coming series Air Aces on the Military Channel offers an excellent opportunity for a return of an AH commercial and subsequently an influx of new interested players.
I wonder what a commercial spot runs on the HC?
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I think that games have to stay cutting edge or they are not going to draw newer players. Other games, some of which are free dl and free to play, which have better graphics and can even be configured to add complexity to the flight controls which makes it less arcade and more flight sim, are going to draw mostly because of the graphics.
those other games are not even close to "cutting edge". they are reworks of old retail crap and have the exact same flight models as the original...the flight controls are limited and are heavily geared toward mouse/keyboard (for whatever dipstick reasoning). if you don't have a simple joystick and trackir, you need the mouse to maintain views. let's not talk about the other one that is nothing but mouse controlled.
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those other games are not even close to "cutting edge". they are reworks of old retail crap and have the exact same flight models as the original...the flight controls are limited and are heavily geared toward mouse/keyboard (for whatever dipstick reasoning). if you don't have a simple joystick and trackir, you need the mouse to maintain views. let's not talk about the other one that is nothing but mouse controlled.
I think he was talking about the graphics.
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Poor terrain and atmospheric graphics as well as shallow and stagnant gameplay covers most of it. The plane models are actually pretty good.
I'd imagine something along these lines..
First, keep the current MA's like they are and add a test bed MA where the current terrain engine can be pushed. Allow users to submit objects within certain guidelines to let them do much of the work for you.
Second, add a system similar to WOT where each battle earns exp and credits and ordinance/repairs cost credits. Allow free play at substantially reduced credits/exp per battle. Premium accounts ($15) per month players get full use of current MA setups so those who want the same old same old can continue on without interruption.
Develop Squad Wars arenas. Open to those who worked up the trees. These arenas are player built in that squads can build a base by dropping supplies within reasonable guidelines. Bases are built up by dropping additional supplies. Supplies are also needed to repair damage from attacks. This creates a dynamic arena where squads have something to build and defend. Some reason to participate in the game.
This system gives people reasons to build and participate in squads which are the core of what makes AH great. It's human interaction that makes the game great. Give them the challenge or grinding up the tree for the end goal of building their own piece of the world as well as the the dynamics of diplomacy/war and you will have something. Just a pipe dream though. I'm pretty sure the status quo is here to stay.
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I love this game, i came over to ah from fighter ace as soon as i learned about its creation around 2000-2001. I didnt know about the lawsuit does anyone know more about it? I hope all works out well for htc. They have excellent user interaction and really do listen to user input. Im sure another new commercial will bring in more subscribers. I haven't had the time to play as much as i used too but when ever i can, I log on and play the best WW2 sim ever created "Aces High." I love the air combat and i love the GV game. Nothing needs changing IMHO, the game with continue to grow: new maps will be made, new planes and tanks will be added, tweaks in game play will happen and AH life is good. :airplane: :joystick:
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Then you should check out WarThunder and IL2 both of which have much more control over the aircraft - ie vents and turbochargers and such. They allow a more experienced pilot to do a lot more with their aircraft. They are also much better looking graphically, which is one of the first things reviewers and other younger gamers look for. You have to keep up or something will replace you.
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Then you should check out WarThunder and IL2 both of which have much more control over the aircraft - ie vents and turbochargers and such. They allow a more experienced pilot to do a lot more with their aircraft. They are also much better looking graphically, which is one of the first things reviewers and other younger gamers look for. You have to keep up or something will replace you.
that's not aircraft control, it's engine management...their flight models are arcade accurate so you don't need to be able to control the aircraft, everything fly's as easy as a spit5...and warthunder's control system is designed for keyboard/mouse or console game controller.
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Exactly, you could couple that. I am just saying, upgrade or the market will do what the market does.
You don't see coal burning trucks anymore do we? No because they are outdated.
I want AH to update graphics and update the plane set and the controls we have to fly those aircraft. I want a viable game for years to come. I know we have lost many to WT for sure and others I suspect.
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I want AH to update graphics and update the plane set and the controls we have to fly those aircraft. I want a viable game for years to come. I know we have lost many to WT for sure and others I suspect.
you want engine management? lol, probably not going to happen. the plane set is getting updated and added to on a very regular basis. you probably don't understand the difference in the amount of work involved when a new plane is added. if it's a totally new model, the flight characteristics of the plane needs to be worked out and tested so that it's not just another arcade shooter with a painted face. warthunder is a curiosity right now...just like world of warplanes. the biggest draw is that it's easy and free. anyone who has deluded themselves into believing any part of it is realistic should seek professional psychiatric help.
perfect example of how totally out of sync with reality the devs at warthunder are...he-112 v5, b-0, b-0, never saw service.
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You don't see coal burning trucks anymore do we? No because they are outdated.
:huh
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that's not aircraft control, it's engine management...their flight models are arcade accurate so you don't need to be able to control the aircraft, everything fly's as easy as a spit5...and warthunder's control system is designed for keyboard/mouse or console game controller.
You obviously haven't flown in the FRB (Full Real Battles) arenas recently. A year ago I would have agreed.
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You obviously haven't flown in the FRB (Full Real Battles) arenas recently. A year ago I would have agreed.
Having played Wings of Prey (predecessor to War Thunder, same thing pretty much except offline) on full sim mode, the flight model never felt as...."fluid" as AH. Now, I never flown a plane so I wouldn't know if it's realistic, but some of the more advance manuevers that you can pull in AH, you can't do it in WoP and I assume you can't in War Thunder either. That's not to say it's not fun, it still plenty is, and I clocked well over 150 hours in Wings of Prey, it's just comparing apples to oranges. AH *feels* realistic without ever having flight experience. Same for Rise of Flight. War Thunder/Wings of Prey *feels* arcadey. But both flight styles are fun in their own right.
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you want engine management? lol, probably not going to happen. the plane set is getting updated and added to on a very regular basis. you probably don't understand the difference in the amount of work involved when a new plane is added. if it's a totally new model, the flight characteristics of the plane needs to be worked out and tested so that it's not just another arcade shooter with a painted face. warthunder is a curiosity right now...just like world of warplanes. the biggest draw is that it's easy and free. anyone who has deluded themselves into believing any part of it is realistic should seek professional psychiatric help.
perfect example of how totally out of sync with reality the devs at warthunder are...he-112 v5, b-0, b-0, never saw service.
No I want AH to be viable and continue. No need for the condescending tone. I have some idea that it is a great deal of work. I also figure that is what they do, just like what I do is a great deal of work. I am voicing an opinion. Not saying it is right or wrong, just saying what I think is happening.
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Sony Computer Entertainment is basically grovelling to get more indie devs to make more games for PS4.
methinks HTC should also make this game for PS4 via Playstation Network to bring in some fresh blood.
New generations of consoles such as PS4 will have longer longevity. In fact, Sony Computer Entertainment is projecting 10 support for PS4... and what's radically different compared to past Playstations is that PS4 will use PC architecture.
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Sony Computer Entertainment is basically grovelling to get more indie devs to make more games for PS4.
methinks HTC should also make this game for PS4 via Playstation Network to bring in some fresh blood.
New generations of consoles such as PS4 will have longer longevity. In fact, Sony Computer Entertainment is projecting 10 support for PS4... and what's radically different compared to past Playstations is that PS4 will use PC architecture.
How do you fly AH with a PS4 controller though? Unless they pull a Mechwarrior and issue a joystick with every purchase.
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Sony Computer Entertainment is basically grovelling to get more indie devs to make more games for PS4.
methinks HTC should also make this game for PS4 via Playstation Network to bring in some fresh blood.
New generations of consoles such as PS4 will have longer longevity. In fact, Sony Computer Entertainment is projecting 10 support for PS4... and what's radically different compared to past Playstations is that PS4 will use PC architecture.
Dear ... Cod .... no.
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Dear ... Cod .... no.
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Well hell, howdy Arlo :salute
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Well hell, howdy Arlo :salute
:rofl
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:rofl
I made a funny?
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Yup. ;)
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Well hell, howdy Arlo :salute
Well, hiyas Bear. Don't mind young Tite. He thought you were referring to the pic I posted. :D
How ya been? Long time! :cheers:
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Well, hiyas Bear. Don't mind young Tite. He thought you were referring to the pic I posted. :D
How ya been? Long time! :cheers:
Yes, I was on a quest to find a life. I got lost and search and rescue had to find me. So here I am. :D
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Yes, I was on a quest to find a life. I got lost and search and rescue had to find me. So here I am. :D
LOL. Sounds like it was a good quest. Glad to see ya. Will be gladder when I see ya online. :D
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Well Ive recently come back after a long break and have decided to only fly in DA for a while until I get the knack back. But more because I am guaranteed some form of combat.
Every time I go out in the MA, I get picked, HOed, ganged and usually all 3 at once. I have to fly conservatively and "tardish" in 450 MPH beast machines to remain competitive otherwise I get descended upon by Ponies and 190's in groups of 5. I am way out of practice but in the small 2 v 1 to 4 v 1 fights I've had, I have held my own and scored a few kills and had some decent fights, winning them the majority of the time. But sadly those remarkable and stimulating bouts of aerial marksmanship and pilot skill are few and far between. For the first time in 3 years I have dropped below a 1 to 1 KD in the middle of the month. I know score doesn't dictate pilot skill, but it shows just how often I get into situations where I am screwed so hard there is no escape. I know that the response I will get is "Well don't go in those situations". But these days, to avoid those situations is: to fly a Pony or 262. Do not engage. Or even join the horde.
Just yesterday I flew into an evenly balanced dogfight. Half and half each side. Every time we came in to the fight, the enemy were at 10 K+. So we got up to 10 K+ and then they are sitting at 20 K. What aircraft did I see?
Tempest, P38L, 109K, P51D, F4U1C, Spit 16. The only aircraft even slightly "non uber" was Dolby's 109F4 skulking around picking off the people who dived to get away from the guys BnZing up top. Who was in fact the guy that shot me down and the only fight I had that day. I lost trying to turn with it (my fault) but Dolby remarked to me "I had to finish you off quick because the other 5 guys were racing to you, they finally let me have one".
I just find it harder and harder every day to have fun. I know we always say "its always been this way" but I distinctly remember when there was more fun in it.
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that's not aircraft control, it's engine management...their flight models are arcade accurate so you don't need to be able to control the aircraft, everything fly's as easy as a spit5...and warthunder's control system is designed for keyboard/mouse or console game controller.
It really doesn't matter what YOU think of those games, what matters is that is where the people are going. The "why" is what we need to look for. Pal, and Pand are just pointing out some of the "why's" they think may be causing the shift.
Aces High is a great game, and us "core group" of players know that and so we stay.... many for years and years. The problem is getting new players to see it and so stay for years and years. If a new player gets bored in a week or two because the game play (horde base after base) is stale they will leave and never get to know the depth of the game. The same goes for those who look for eye candy. If they don't see it here, they will look for it some place else.
The core group of players is in the hundreds. Some have left recently, some only stop in now and then, some are returning after a year or so away. the point is this core group is still only a couple hundred. I know some guys who have been here for years and NEVER fly in the main arenas. The numbers are dropping and there is no getting around that. Call it the "economy", or call it "out dated game" the fact is the numbers are dropping.
A smaller group of players is ok as long as it pays the bills at HTC, but they will have to get rid of all the medium and big maps. Not enough number to support them. Small maps drive the lower number of players closer together and so make more game action. Maybe add a few new small maps to fill in the spots of those removed. I know building maps is a major project, but I wonder (...and maybe a map maker could help here) but is there a way that 6-10 people could work on the same map to spread the project out? Instead of 6 months by a single player, a team could build one in a few weeks. Is this something that could be done? If so, could one of the map makers come up with an outline of how to split it up and spread out the work load? Just a thought.
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Yes, I was on a quest to find a life. I got lost and search and rescue had to find me. So here I am. :D
Welcome back, Bear. :aok
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Sony Computer Entertainment is basically grovelling to get more indie devs to make more games for PS4.
methinks HTC should also make this game for PS4 via Playstation Network to bring in some fresh blood.
New generations of consoles such as PS4 will have longer longevity. In fact, Sony Computer Entertainment is projecting 10 support for PS4... and what's radically different compared to past Playstations is that PS4 will use PC architecture.
flight sims have historically not sold very well on consoles and there isn't much to show that Aces High will be any different.
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How do you fly AH with a PS4 controller though? Unless they pull a Mechwarrior and issue a joystick with every purchase.
These are just a few of the flight controllers available for the PS3
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flight sims have historically not sold very well on consoles and there isn't much to show that Aces High will be any different.
ack-ack
They don't need to sell a boxed game.
Make the game as a free DLC via Playstation Network with 2-week trial and let fresh new blood fill in.
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I'm still here for your killing enjoyment :aok :cheers:
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They don't need to sell a boxed game.
Make the game as a free DLC via Playstation Network with 2-week trial and let fresh new blood fill in.
Some games aren't suited to a F2P business model, AH being one of these types of games. Just because you market a game for free, doesn't always equate with increased revenue.
ack-ack
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It really doesn't matter what YOU think of those games, what matters is that is where the people are going. The "why" is what we need to look for. Pal, and Pand are just pointing out some of the "why's" they think may be causing the shift.
it's not what i "think", it's a fact. i've been trying both warthunder and world of warplanes, and they are arcade like. just like every other arcade flight sim that has come and gone, you don't need a joystick or even develop any skills to survive, and just participating in a battle gets you brownie points. there is very little thinking needed, just react. that and the fact that they are free to play (or pay to win) are the reasons "why" people are playing them.
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it's not what i "think", it's a fact. i've been trying both warthunder and world of warplanes, and they are arcade like. just like every other arcade flight sim that has come and gone, you don't need a joystick or even develop any skills to survive, and just participating in a battle gets you brownie points. there is very little thinking needed, just react. that and the fact that they are free to play (or pay to win) are the reasons "why" people are playing them.
You obviously haven't flown in the FRB (Full Real Battles) arenas recently. A year ago I would have agreed.
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I think one of the main reasons AH is not growing is the "massive online combat" thingy that HTC "wants" to happen but never has and never will. And this is why the MA game play is the way it is.
The maps are stupid..not realistic and there are never new ones. Real world geography would help.
The game play should allow smaller maps.
The game play should allow a country win in about 1 hour...NOT days and days of the same map.
If the map was designed to win in an hour then combat would be intense and the concept of strategic play would work.
HTC has the attitude that the maps should be made by the players....DUMB...HTC needs to make a whole crap load of them...if its not won in an hour re set the map.
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A smaller group of players is ok as long as it pays the bills at HTC, but they will have to get rid of all the medium and big maps. Not enough number to support them. Small maps drive the lower number of players closer together and so make more game action. Maybe add a few new small maps to fill in the spots of those removed. I know building maps is a major project, but I wonder (...and maybe a map maker could help here) but is there a way that 6-10 people could work on the same map to spread the project out? Instead of 6 months by a single player, a team could build one in a few weeks. Is this something that could be done? If so, could one of the map makers come up with an outline of how to split it up and spread out the work load? Just a thought.
Since you raised the issue... and I might be qualified to make a comment...
Six to ten people would be completely unworkable. It's hard enough to find two people who agree on game-play issues and after all, that's the first thing isn't it. Three might work, two is more likely, but if anyone bails, then the original project concept dies. If I were to pick, then the perfect team would be two people. It would include an artist to create textures for both water and land, and to paint the terrain with those textures. The art work is as important as the layout of the terrain and it's the only customizing allowed in MA terrains. Partner number two would be responsible for the elevations, placing the bases and all the mundane issues in building the terrain. That would be a pretty equal division of labor, but agreement on game-play would be the most likely thing to destroy the partnership, so that would be their first hurdle.
I think one of the main reasons AH is not growing is the "massive online combat" thingy that HTC "wants" to happen but never has and never will. And this is why the MA game play is the way it is.
The maps are stupid..not realistic and there are never new ones. Real world geography would help.
The game play should allow smaller maps.
The game play should allow a country win in about 1 hour...NOT days and days of the same map.
If the map was designed to win in an hour then combat would be intense and the concept of strategic play would work.
HTC has the attitude that the maps should be made by the players....DUMB...HTC needs to make a whole crap load of them...if its not won in an hour re set the map.
Wow. Greebo's Grinder isn't that old, and it took him at least(?) two years to create it.
Real world geography would help.
No, real world geography doesn't work for MA terrains. With one or two exceptions, a real world terrain would kill game-play. And the exceptions would need severe distortions to both elevations and aspect ratio.
The game play should allow a country win in about 1 hour...NOT days and days of the same map.
Nope, I liken that to a merry-go-round. It becomes boring very quickly. I might be willing to go so far as to suggest that the setup tables loaded with each terrain should be customized for each terrain. Harder to reset for smaller maps and easier for larger terrains. Perhaps tweak AI ack lethality, or more logically, adjust the percentage of town buildings to take down according to the terrain. I would never want to see resets in under a day, nor a terrain lasting a week or more.
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moin
play wot Agent ;-)
some bomber missions take longer than 3 houers. and if i fly my 410 for bomberintercepting i mostly fly longer than 2 houers. So thats a kind of realistik if you want fast aktion every gamplay goes to unrelismus.
so it is complet ok that the maps will be on some days, if you want fast aktion go to a frontline were the fight is.
If you do not finde a fight it s just because not much players are online.
And thats of cours a problem.
But its not the gameplay or boring maps the problem is that you need to pay for the game and thats what nobody want to day. im here over 10 years now and i only got one frind playing aces high, and belive me im doing alot to get people to aces hig. But always thay say : oh you need to pay for this, no, noway thats stupid or not up to date. Interestening is that these peoples are the thame wich buy gold in wot for some amunition. lol
In my point of view alot will change if the players could stay in game after thair 2 week trial. Thay need be able to hold an foot in game, to learn more about the game. It could be look like that. After the 2 weeks you are only alowed to fly and drive low butget vehicles or planes. so you are able to see what happen al around in the game, you get in contact with the old timers and you get enough time to start loving this game.
At the moment its like that, you downloade the game on monday, you fly 2 times and play again at the weekend, you dies alot and at the next week you do not have much time and at the next weekende your time is over and you lost your interest in the game. Hope i could explain it understandable.
in my point of view its the only way today to get the people into the game. If HTC will not change anthing in that way we will see that the numbers will go more down and more down by time. And thats makes me realy unhappy.
Low Playernumbers causes less interest in game thats a bad circle.
cu christian
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You obviously haven't flown in the FRB (Full Real Battles) arenas recently. A year ago I would have agreed.
would you pay $15/month to do what's needed to get to the point of what they call full realism? i'm not a "console grinder" which is the description that fits the majority of people in warthunder. there is no "learning curve", it's jump in and go, even if you don't have a joystick. just like nearly every other mmo and console shooter out there, you grind through the game chalking up brownie points and rewards to unlock new toys and new levels. i've experienced the "full realism" and it's almost verbatim the same as il2's version of full realism. engine management and added controls are no more "full realism" than bushes stopping tiger tanks. and it is still "pay to win", because you need "gold" to get new planes, and you can buy "gold". for $115 you can get enough gold for a 1 year premium account and have enough left over to buy airplanes and "advanced packs" with planes and extras that cannot be earned.
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There are numerous posts in this thread suggesting that ________ is broken, and players are leaving because of it.
I disagree. HTC has been tapping my checking account for $14.95 since '01. Gameplay is much the same now as it was back then. They HO'd then; they HO now. They vulched then; they vulch now. Picktards, toolshedders, hordes...they were all there in '01.
Couple of years ago, HT capped the LW arena to promote more civilized game play; everyone griped. Titanic Tuesday became the slugfest the LWA is on any given day/evening.
Let's face it, players leave for a variety of reason...lack of time, money, interest, etc.
Could a few things be tweaked a bit differently? Sure. New maps (small, med, lg) would be great. ENY can be irritating to some, but the resolution is simple; change sides. (No need to flame...you're preaching to the choir) :)
Bottom line...for $15 @ month, if you're into WW2 combat simulation, Aces High delivers a pretty good bang for the buck.
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I disagree. HTC has been tapping my checking account for $14.95 since '01. Gameplay is much the same now as it was back then. They HO'd then; they HO now. They vulched then; they vulch now. Picktards, toolshedders, hordes...they were all there in '01.
Same here. I don't see a big difference now from 2001 when I started.
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Sony Computer Entertainment is basically grovelling to get more indie devs to make more games for PS4.
methinks HTC should also make this game for PS4 via Playstation Network to bring in some fresh blood.
New generations of consoles such as PS4 will have longer longevity. In fact, Sony Computer Entertainment is projecting 10 support for PS4... and what's radically different compared to past Playstations is that PS4 will use PC architecture.
Current PCs are more powerful than the PS4. I doubt the PS4 could run Aces High as it uses a APU.
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Current PCs are more powerful than the PS4. I doubt the PS4 could run Aces High as it uses a APU.
Before I installed a 6870, the onboard Intel G41 chipset could run AH with most of the detailed turned on. I'm sure the PS4's APU can run AH no problem..getting AH to the PS4 is a different story.
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Before I installed a 6870, the onboard Intel G41 chipset could run AH with most of the detailed turned on. I'm sure the PS4's APU can run AH no problem..getting AH to the PS4 is a different story.
he was refering to single threaded cpu power, that ah loves but the ps4 lacks
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Been here two years and haven't yet performed two missions back to back that are anything alike unless upping from cv to deack on a capture attempt.
Anybody who uses "stale" to describe the sim should also apply the term to thier flying.
Even after 2 years, there are some parts of the sim I haven't yet explored and I haven't flown but a handfull of the planes yet.
I don't know about you guys but I get a good rush using 2000+ year old tactics that the enemy is somehow not aware of.
Try something different.
I got a huge amount of enjoyment recently on the craterma map by driving around the enemy base and climbing the mountain to come in behind the bad guy who was over tank town shooting down on our guys.
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My only gripe would be maps. The average size of an MA map needs to decrease and the rotation needs to be shortened to maybe 3 or 4 days. Having the same massive map for a week straight with relatively little action at any particular one spot on the map is not very fun, but other than that the game is still very much enjoyable to me.
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The game play should allow a country win in about 1 hour...NOT days and days of the same map.
If the map was designed to win in an hour then combat would be intense and the concept of strategic play would work.
Ridiculous. Yeah lets interrupt/disrupt gameplay every hour.
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would you pay $15/month to do what's needed to get to the point of what they call full realism? i'm not a "console grinder" which is the description that fits the majority of people in warthunder. there is no "learning curve", it's jump in and go, even if you don't have a joystick. just like nearly every other mmo and console shooter out there, you grind through the game chalking up brownie points and rewards to unlock new toys and new levels. i've experienced the "full realism" and it's almost verbatim the same as il2's version of full realism. engine management and added controls are no more "full realism" than bushes stopping tiger tanks. and it is still "pay to win", because you need "gold" to get new planes, and you can buy "gold". for $115 you can get enough gold for a 1 year premium account and have enough left over to buy airplanes and "advanced packs" with planes and extras that cannot be earned.
So you still haven't answered the question... you have or haven't played FRB recently? Flight model updates for 100+ aircraft were introduced over a month ago.
"Pay to Win" is far from the model. I often fly a 109F4 and consistently down all those other players who have now paid to lose. No one jumps into Full Real Battles without a learning curve, although I would agree with you 100% for Arcade and Historical Battles.
Granted I haven't flown an actual WWII aircraft in real life, but the way the aircraft handles, dealing with wind gusts, and unstable air (in the clouds) are just a few of areas in the game that align with my real world experience piloting aircraft.
:salute
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My only gripe would be maps. The average size of an MA map needs to decrease and the rotation needs to be shortened to maybe 3 or 4 days. Having the same massive map for a week straight with relatively little action at any particular one spot on the map is not very fun, but other than that the game is still very much enjoyable to me.
would maps with fewer bases change the player behavior enough that more people enjoy logging in than not? if so, then what would be the minimum number of bases needed to make the fight worth while and lower the incidence of hording, or rolling undefended bases and winning the war in 5 minutes or less? maybe it's time for not just lower numbers of bases but, maybe a change in the bases themselves and how things work with the bases. the way it is now, 4 guys can sneak a base just by white flagging the town.
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So you still haven't answered the question... you have or haven't played FRB recently? Flight model updates for 100+ aircraft were introduced over a month ago.
"Pay to Win" is far from the model. I often fly a 109F4 and consistently down all those other players who have now paid to lose. No one jumps into Full Real Battles without a learning curve, although I would agree with you 100% for Arcade and Historical Battles.
Granted I haven't flown an actual WWII aircraft in real life, but the way the aircraft handles, dealing with wind gusts, and unstable air (in the clouds) are just a few of areas in the game that align with my real world experience piloting aircraft.
:salute
i didn't see you ask a question Pand. i've been playing the game at least 2 or 3 times a week for the past 7 or 8 weeks, and those "flight model updates" were not noticeable at least in arcade and historical modes. and no i haven't played frb since the last update.
pay to win is absolutely the model, just like every other free play mmo out there. you can buy your way to victory, just look at the "extras" that can be had and it's as plain as the nose on your face. the fact that you're winning fights in frb mode against the pay to win planes says a lot about either the caliber of players there and/or the flight models. take your pick.
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i didn't see you ask a question Pand. i've been playing the game at least 2 or 3 times a week for the past 7 or 8 weeks, and those "flight model updates" were not noticeable at least in arcade and historical modes. and no i haven't played frb since the last update.
pay to win is absolutely the model, just like every other free play mmo out there. you can buy your way to victory, just look at the "extras" that can be had and it's as plain as the nose on your face. the fact that you're winning fights in frb mode against the pay to win planes says a lot about either the caliber of players there and/or the flight models. take your pick.
There is a reduced flight model for reduced realism modes. Fly FRB for a week, actually score a kill, and I'm sure your tune will change. I absolutely HATE and will never fly in Arcade or Historical Battles. It is exactly as you described, garbage! FRB however is a whole different ballgame.
In FRB there is the element of surprise, so it doesn't matter what handful of planes the enemy has paid for. There is no icon in FRB flashing miles away indicating someone is coming after you, you must rely on your SA and ACM to win.
I'm not here to argue, but merely stating my experience--- fly the right mode for the caliber of player that you are. What's your name over there ?
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There is a reduced flight model for reduced realism modes. Fly FRB for a week, actually score a kill, and I'm sure your tune will change. I absolutely HATE and will never fly in Arcade or Historical Battles. It is exactly as you described, garbage! FRB however is a whole different ballgame.
In FRB there is the element of surprise, so it doesn't matter what handful of planes the enemy has paid for. There is no icon in FRB flashing miles away indicating someone is coming after you, you must rely on your SA and ACM to win.
I'm not here to argue, but merely stating my experience--- fly the right mode for the caliber of player that you are. What's your name over there ?
interesting, the one time i got into frb mode i didn't notice what you're describing...then again there have been many updates since then. i guess i'll have to get serious and grind my way through on my account til i can get into frb mode. my last tryst in frb mode was on someone else's account and he dumped his account.
i'm using leatherneck over there.
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interesting, the one time i got into frb mode i didn't notice what you're describing...then again there have been many updates since then. i guess i'll have to get serious and grind my way through on my account til i can get into frb mode. my last tryst in frb mode was on someone else's account and he dumped his account.
i'm using leatherneck over there.
I believe (and I could be wrong), but you should only have to be pilot level 4 to get into FRB. Make sure in the To Battle screen where you select Full Real Battles, that you also update "Current Server" to Any.
Good luck and good hunting!
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I believe (and I could be wrong), but you should only have to be pilot level 4 to get into FRB. Make sure in the To Battle screen where you select Full Real Battles, that you also update "Current Server" to Any.
Good luck and good hunting!
ok Pand, i guess i can get serious about grinding through the arcade mode, which is worse than wading through a bish spixteen horde, just so i can get a better idea of what they consider realism. i'll have to get my realistic battle settings in place to make sure they work once i level up. the last big update mangled my stick settings which pissed me off.
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I flew in some full realism battles and still didn't like it as much as AHII. Nor do I like their business model. C'est la vie.
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There is a recession on :old:
Three years ago.
Back to work now, no time for Pay to Play video games.
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Yet arcade style games make mad money? Maybe the model is wrong here.
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ok Pand, i guess i can get serious about grinding through the arcade mode, which is worse than wading through a bish spixteen horde, just so i can get a better idea of what they consider realism. i'll have to get my realistic battle settings in place to make sure they work once i level up. the last big update mangled my stick settings which pissed me off.
Never ---- ever step foot in an Arcade Arena. Anyone who has flown Aces High will throw up immediately.
Use Historical which isn't half as bad, but still very rough. Getting a kill from time to time should get you to a level 4 pilot in a couple hours. If you're having trouble shooting down aircraft, go after AAA and Artillery to assist the ground battle, they are easy kills and big XP.
Good luck! :salute
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Yet arcade style games make mad money? Maybe the model is wrong here.
Who are you and why are you peddling arcade here? :huh
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I flew in some full realism battles and still didn't like it as much as AHII. Nor do I like their business model. C'est la vie.
Yeah I thought FRB was obscenely hard when I first started flying it. After a week I couldn't imagine not flying it. :cheers:
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You can't be that simple minded, as you have read other posts of mine in the last 24 hours.
Who are you and why are you peddling arcade here? :huh
But we don't have this choice..... If there was an arcade style arena, it might draw 2000 new players, only going to the arcade arena........ ok great, now 2k more people are spending 15 bucks a month so the 600-ish or so left of us can still go to Late War and have some fun.
Never ---- ever step foot in an Arcade Arena. Anyone who has flown Aces High will throw up immediately.
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Yeah I thought FRB was obscenely hard when I first started flying it. After a week I couldn't imagine not flying it. :cheers:
:lol
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You can't be that simple minded, as you have read other posts of mine in the last 24 hours.
But we don't have this choice..... If there was an arcade style arena, it might draw 2000 new players, only going to the arcade arena........ ok great, now 2k more people are spending 15 bucks a month so the 600-ish or so left of us can still go to Late War and have some fun.
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:rofl :lol dammit Arlo, don't make me laugh so hard...
you know he has a slight simplistically minded point... :headscratch: ...if some sort of "arcade mode" or "relaxed mode" say 30 v 30 head to head thing was put up with a limited plane set...it could draw some new blood in...potentially.
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The Grayclif has been right here all along! :banana:
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Could be the owners of AH are happy with the simulation as it is with a few updates now and then so they can have a life.
Then there is their exit strategy. How do they get out and buy that beach house? Save money now or is there a market for the aging software they have develop and for the business model. Can't blame them for wanting a good retirement after AH.
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:rofl :lol dammit Arlo, don't make me laugh so hard...
you know he has a slight simplistically minded point... :headscratch: ...if some sort of "arcade mode" or "relaxed mode" say 30 v 30 head to head thing was put up with a limited plane set...it could draw some new blood in...potentially.
You've met Dale, haven't you? :)
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You've met Dale, haven't you? :)
no, i'd have to go to texas and that's against my religion...no speaky texican.
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no, i'd have to go to texas and that's against my religion...no speaky texican.
I'll make sure you have safe passage. :D
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I prefer the larger "unlimited world" maps. I like to furball about 1/3 of the time, fly base capture missions and jabo about 1/3 of the time, and fly high deep strike bomber missions about 1/3 of the time. I don't GV much, but that is another aspect of AH that is fun for others. I can find all of the above on the larger maps, but on the small maps my options are often more limited. I see comments where it is suggested smaller maps would force better game play by channeling the fight. Jabo missions aren't fun if you always have to drop ords to dogfight. Long range bombing missions aren't fun if you are always intercepted while still trying to gain altitude 1 or 2 sectors after takeoff (unless you are 999000 looking to dogfight in a B-17 :) ).
And we have talked about noobs being seal clubbed out of the game. On small maps that force more numbers into smaller areas I would think it would be even harder for noobs to survive. I think the larger maps give noobs more breathing room. You can usually up at a capped field to be in a fight in 30 seconds, or fly 1 sector to the nearest furball. But the large maps also give you other options. On a large map during non-prime time when a furball can be hard to find there are often great 1v1 and 2v2 opportunities. And if everyone was of like mind all it would take is a call on 200 "Let's all meet to furball at A123" and you would have a fight. If not everybody on the map shows up they may not want to furball. Large maps seem to offer more freedom of game play activities and styles.
Just my two cents worth (actually $14.95 worth) :)
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Yet arcade style games make mad money? Maybe the model is wrong here.
I like it here. It plays as true gaming experience.
How many people, cough, kids, cough, really want to play one single, simple, $15 per month, WWII fighter game forever?
HT could put out more Ads to bring in more fresh meat, but im sure they have considered many of those options.
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I prefer the larger "unlimited world" maps. I like to furball about 1/3 of the time, fly base capture missions and jabo about 1/3 of the time, and fly high deep strike bomber missions about 1/3 of the time. I don't GV much, but that is another aspect of AH that is fun for others. I can find all of the above on the larger maps, but on the small maps my options are often more limited. I see comments where it is suggested smaller maps would force better game play by channeling the fight. Jabo missions aren't fun if you always have to drop ords to dogfight. Long range bombing missions aren't fun if you are always intercepted while still trying to gain altitude 1 or 2 sectors after takeoff (unless you are 999000 looking to dogfight in a B-17 :) ).
And we have talked about noobs being seal clubbed out of the game. On small maps that force more numbers into smaller areas I would think it would be even harder for noobs to survive. I think the larger maps give noobs more breathing room. You can usually up at a capped field to be in a fight in 30 seconds, or fly 1 sector to the nearest furball. But the large maps also give you other options. On a large map during non-prime time when a furball can be hard to find there are often great 1v1 and 2v2 opportunities. And if everyone was of like mind all it would take is a call on 200 "Let's all meet to furball at A123" and you would have a fight. If not everybody on the map shows up they may not want to furball. Large maps seem to offer more freedom of game play activities and styles.
Just my two cents worth (actually $14.95 worth) :)
Good point.
And I add BRING BACK TWO LATE WAR ARENAS.
I, as a noob, love to get away from the thrill seekers and hordelings. I found much more fun in the blue arena. I remember hating Titanic Tuesday because of the overpopulation of the fights, similar to what we have today.
Some have said two arenas simply allowed more hordes. Each player would go to the arena where his team was winning...??? I dont know, I think I just liked the space.
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And I add BRING BACK TWO LATE WAR ARENAS.
LW Pacific and LW Europe? :D
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Good point.
And I add BRING BACK TWO LATE WAR ARENAS.
I, as a noob, love to get away from the thrill seekers and hordelings. I found much more fun in the blue arena. I remember hating Titanic Tuesday because of the overpopulation of the fights, similar to what we have today.
Some have said two arenas simply allowed more hordes. Each player would go to the arena where his team was winning...??? I dont know, I think I just liked the space.
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The maps are so huge there should be zero problem milk running towns or what ever you please. I can't seem to find this over populating of fights you speak of.
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Up with a buddy, fly to the DAR ring and announce you'd like a fight.
"Hey bish, changeup and Dodger are at the 51 DAR ring, wanna win a fight?"
That usually gets you some action. Oh, feel free to use our names if yours isn't stinky enough cuz we don't mind...they'll show.
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People (kids especially) today are reward junkies, they need a quick fix ie a game that doesn't take too long to play, is fun and rewarding. Typically a CoD game is about 10 minutes, very intense and at the end you get rewards bonuses and whatnot. It triggers the same type of psychological reward substances as women get a kick out of when going shopping. Got the point yet?
Aces High is a bit away from that kind of gameplay. That is a good thing! :cheers:
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wow!
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but this thread (and all identical threads throughout the years) amazes me. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Although I suppose it's kind of a comfort to know the playerbase is still griping about the same crap as 2000, as 2001, 2, 3 etc... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that I can hop back in after a huge hiatus and find things still in the same general order.
As for those of you with complaints regarding how others fly (hordes, maps, timid fighters, etc)... get over it. They have always been and they will always be... so shut up and fly. :)
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wow!
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but this thread (and all identical threads throughout the years) amazes me. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Although I suppose it's kind of a comfort to know the playerbase is still griping about the same crap as 2000, as 2001, 2, 3 etc... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that I can hop back in after a huge hiatus and find things still in the same general order.
As for those of you with complaints regarding how others fly (hordes, maps, timid fighters, etc)... get over it. They have always been and they will always be... so shut up and fly. :)
Yes they have ALWAYS been here, but they are much more numerous now. In the old days you could get 2,3, 4 flights in a row with nothing but good fun fights, then get a HOer, or runner. Today it is the opposite. 3,4,5 flights in a row you get HOed, or ganged, or stuck chasing a runners, then the next flight you get a fun fight with someone. It's kinda like golf now, you get that one got fight/shot that makes you come back again, and again.
That's why you see threads like this just get fluffed off.... oh, that again. The issue is it is getting much more noticeable. Old days we would have a bunch of squads get together and plan a bunch of missions and try to run the map... RSO's maybe :headscratch: don't remember what they were called, but basically it was a horde more often than not. They would invite the other teams to try and stop them. Today the Bish horde runs from mid afternoon ET to around supper, then the ROOK horde takes over as the Bish have to log for bed. Knits get there horde running now and then as well, but the Bish and Rook ones you can almost set your clock to.
The same goes for the HOs and gangs. Old days many would stay out of a 3 on 1, now you have an extra 5 joining in to make it 8 on 1. Sure we had all this stuff in the old days, just not so much of it.
Since you raised the issue... and I might be qualified to make a comment...
Six to ten people would be completely unworkable. It's hard enough to find two people who agree on game-play issues and after all, that's the first thing isn't it. Three might work, two is more likely, but if anyone bails, then the original project concept dies. If I were to pick, then the perfect team would be two people. It would include an artist to create textures for both water and land, and to paint the terrain with those textures. The art work is as important as the layout of the terrain and it's the only customizing allowed in MA terrains. Partner number two would be responsible for the elevations, placing the bases and all the mundane issues in building the terrain. That would be a pretty equal division of labor, but agreement on game-play would be the most likely thing to destroy the partnership, so that would be their first hurdle.
I would think more along the lines of a team. One coach (creative genius) in charge and the rest of the team that does what it's told, no creative input any place. One leader everyone else just put in the hours needed to put it together. If it works out the next map is lead by a different creative genius and the rest of the workers just do what they are told. Kind of like an assembly line for map making. Personally I would know how to "design" a map to make it a good playing map, but I can paint a bit, and maybe learn how to build elevations. Not sure if it's possible but say have 4 guys each take a quarter of a map and build the elevations for it. The one guy copy and pastes all the pieces together to make the one big map.
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Octavius, thanks for the B5N skin that you did.
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wow!
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but this thread (and all identical threads throughout the years) amazes me. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Although I suppose it's kind of a comfort to know the playerbase is still griping about the same crap as 2000, as 2001, 2, 3 etc... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that I can hop back in after a huge hiatus and find things still in the same general order.
As for those of you with complaints regarding how others fly (hordes, maps, timid fighters, etc)... get over it. They have always been and they will always be... so shut up and fly. :)
HUGE fan of this guy ^ whoever he is
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wow!
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but this thread (and all identical threads throughout the years) amazes me. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Although I suppose it's kind of a comfort to know the playerbase is still griping about the same crap as 2000, as 2001, 2, 3 etc... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that I can hop back in after a huge hiatus and find things still in the same general order.
As for those of you with complaints regarding how others fly (hordes, maps, timid fighters, etc)... get over it. They have always been and they will always be... so shut up and fly. :)
You coming back? :D
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Octavious and Saw used to sing duets. Now that was an experience.
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When I brought this topic up I was interested mainly in where all the old players went and why. Folks like Octavius, Murdr, Moot, SnapHook, SheGotya, Betty...so on and so forth. Most of us can all agree that the game play really hasn't changed, so why the decline then? It would seem to me that with all of the improvements made since 2005/2006 the numbers would go up instead of down.....especially since the cost has never gone up one cent in that time.
I read somewhere where HiTech said the average player stays about 5 years and moves on. <shrugs> Maybe the answer is as simple as that. Some folks may just simply move on for no other reason than to have something else to do. As for myself, I've been here going on 7 years I guess and am having more fun now than ever....mainly because I can finally hold my own in most fights. Heck I don't want to quit now :lol I reckon folks come and go for different reasons. Whether it be the game play, maps, boredom, the economy..whatever. But just as long as we have a big enough player base to keep this little hobby of ours in business, I'll be a happy camper.
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The only reason I'm not active at present is lack of time. Having to renovate a house, work a job, still play in a band, find time to sleep and mastur..........errrr sleep is enough. Maybe one day I'll get some time back lol.....
Wurz
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12 hour side switch took a lot of wind out of me. And still is.
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I can tell you from having done on-line flying since the start of it (Air Warrior in 1988) that very few people stay forever. It's not anything that the game is doing or not doing, it is that people eventually drift off, enter different stages in their lives, get different hobbies, etc.
I've written this before, but all of these discussions -- nearly verbatim -- were things people said in 1993, 1995, 2000, and so on. "Things aren't like they were in the good ol' days!" But really, they are just as good as the good ol' days, and the style of play and the style of the community is not significantly different over the past 2 decades.
If things seem mundane to you, it's because you have done all of the things that were brand new to you when you first started. You reached your plateau, leveled out, and didn't try for more. Maybe for you, there is no more -- you're the best pilot you can ever be, have become as good as you will be in every plane and vehicle, have become expert in every special event. My guess, though, is that most players complaining of burn out peaked out in their own particular ruts and haven't, for example, gotten a lot more involved in special events (which are immediately much different than the Main Arena and a whole new realm to explore).
Some of you guys are like the high-school kids who sit around during summer vacation and say, "I'm bored. There's nothing to do." What they mean is that they've gotten their fill of the mall -- but they haven't started reading any great books, playing basketball with their local pals, watching a collection of the greatest movies ever made, learning about computer programming, building some models, getting into gaming with their pals, learning about the stock market, or whatever (i.e., moving beyond their rut of just going to the mall).
This game has a lot of possibilities and can be what you make of it.
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I can tell you from having done on-line flying since the start of it (Air Warrior in 1988) that very few people stay forever. It's not anything that the game is doing or not doing, it is that people eventually drift off, enter different stages in their lives, get different hobbies, etc.
I've written this before, but all of these discussions -- nearly verbatim -- were things people said in 1993, 1995, 2000, and so on. "Things aren't like they were in the good ol' days!" But really, they are just as good as the good ol' days, and the style of play and the style of the community is not significantly different over the past 2 decades.
If things seem mundane to you, it's because you have done all of the things that were brand new to you when you first started. You reached your plateau, leveled out, and didn't try for more. Maybe for you, there is no more -- you're the best pilot you can ever be, have become as good as you will be in every plane and vehicle, have become expert in every special event. My guess, though, is that most players complaining of burn out peaked out in their own particular ruts and haven't, for example, gotten a lot more involved in special events (which are immediately much different than the Main Arena and a whole new realm to explore).
Some of you guys are like the high-school kids who sit around during summer vacation and say, "I'm bored. There's nothing to do." What they mean is that they've gotten their fill of the mall -- but they haven't started reading any great books, playing basketball with their local pals, watching a collection of the greatest movies ever made, learning about computer programming, building some models, getting into gaming with their pals, learning about the stock market, or whatever (i.e., moving beyond their rut of just going to the mall).
This game has a lot of possibilities and can be what you make of it.
I agree with Brooke completely. After doing this for 20 years plus people just evolve. I stop in once in awhile often times for no more then 45 minutes or so to say high to longtime squad mates.
Since doing this for so long I don't get white knuckles when fighting.....the game has become familiar. I've other things to do that take up more of my time.
I've met a lot of nice people in my years of flying Air Warrior and AH.....and some jerks too. By far Aces High is the best venue for this genre WWII air combat etc. The old Air Warrior community
seemed much tighter imho......that may because I'm just getting older and memory is becoming selective. But by far Aces High is by far a better WWII Combat sim/game then Air Warrior ever was
or hoped to be.
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If things seem mundane to you, it's because you have done all of the things.
My solution to the mundane of AW was to creation my own mundanedum.
HiTech
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FTW, end of story. ;)
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When I brought this topic up I was interested mainly in where all the old players went and why. Folks like Octavius, Murdr, Moot, SnapHook, SheGotya, Betty...so on and so forth.
Murdr stopped playing because he's doing the rock star thing and has been touring the country the last few years with his band.
ack-ack
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The only reason I'm not active at present is lack of time. Having to renovate a house, work a job, still play in a band, find time to sleep and mastur..........errrr sleep is enough. Maybe one day I'll get some time back lol.....
Wurz
you also spend alot of time slapping the young folks :old:
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Yes side switch tine needs to be taken down....pronto.
4-3 hours at least
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Economy is the main factor, for a new player the initial cost is more than fifteen dollars a month. High speed internet access, Joy stick, and perhaps more, depending on how into the game people are. That's an expense that many people just can't afford. I’d also say a lack of interest and knowledge in WWII. I spoke to my niece, a college student, home for the summer, She was watching Jeopardy and one of the category’s was WWII, she had no idea what WWII stood for.
When I explained it stood for World War two, I asked if she read about WWII in any of her classes? She said no. She had no idea who fought in the conflict. Very sad. I explained to her that her Grandfather, my Dad, was a fighter pilot stationed in England and fought in a P47 and P51’s over Europe against Germany, before, during and after D-day. She had no idea, not a clue.
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Economy is the main factor, for a new player the initial cost is more than fifteen dollars a month. High speed internet access, Joy stick, and perhaps more, depending on how into the game people are. That's an expense that many people just can't afford. I’d also say a lack of interest and knowledge in WWII. I spoke to my niece, a college student, home for the summer, She was watching Jeopardy and one of the category’s was WWII, she had no idea what WWII stood for.
When I explained it stood for World War two, I asked if she read about WWII in any of her classes? She said no. She had no idea who fought in the conflict. Very sad. I explained to her that her Grandfather, my Dad, was a fighter pilot stationed in England and fought in a P47 and P51’s over Europe against Germany, before, during and after D-day. She had no idea, not a clue.
My high school has a WW2/holocaust class.
Easiest class ever, although I leaned alot about the holocaust. Not so much the war :rofl
When we went over ww2 in history, I always got all the bonus questions right along with the original test.
Along with betting the whole class 5 bucks I could do it without studying and get the highest grade in all periods.
I failed that history class tho :headscratch:
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My solution to the mundane of AW was to creation my own mundanedum.
HiTech
:lol
:aok
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Brooke:
The only special event I've participated in was something like Road or Battle for Berlin. It required flying 5 sectors to get to the area of most likely engagement. I'm willing to try again, but only if they aren't all like that. If they are, they require much time and patience than I have.
As far as the HOs and all the other somewhat lame gameplay, I don't seem to recall during my '05ish stint as much, however there seems to be somewhat of a consensus that I'm wrong about that.
It does however seem like with the Yak-3 there may be a few less 51D's that runaway after they dive to the deck after they make a couple/few turns. At least that is what I noticed earlier; I don't think I saw a single Pony get to run away, at least not with the ease they are used to.
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My solution to the mundane of AW was to creation my own mundanedum.
HiTech
:aok
I'm thankful for your solution. :)
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HUGE fan of this guy ^ whoever he is
Stalker Alert :O
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Brooke:
The only special event I've participated in was something like Road or Battle for Berlin. It required flying 5 sectors to get to the area of most likely engagement. I'm willing to try again, but only if they aren't all like that. If they are, they require much time and patience than I have.
That's the thing -- some are like that (the scenarios Battle Over Germany and Der Grosse Schlag, for example, where it's high-altitude escorted, large bomber raids into the heart of Germany), but many are not (many scenarios are not like that, none of the "This Day in WWII" events are like that, probably no SEC or Snapshot events either, and probably rarely if ever are FSO's like that). "This Day in WWII" is specifically designed for quick entry to action. The fact that all of these special events have different characteristics that you haven't seen means there's a whole world of play out there that you haven't experienced yet.
Some folks complain about things seeming the same -- my point is that they are doing the same subset of things when the game has as a very rich variety of aspects that they could try out but haven't.
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Murdr stopped playing because he's doing the rock star thing and has been touring the country the last few years with his band.
ack-ack
WooHoo the Spice Girls are on tour!
j/k Murdr
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Back in 03 04ish when I first played this game, It was amazing. I couldnt wait to get home from work so I could hop on and hang out. It was an absolute blast. But as time went on, playing the same maps, Fighting the same people, it became very monotonous. It was more like going through the motions than anything else. Dont get me wrong, I applaud HTC for what they have done. Nowhere else can you call and have one of the staff talk you through your issue like they do (learned this very recently from another game I currently play).
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Back in 03 04ish when I first played this game, It was amazing. I couldnt wait to get home from work so I could hop on and hang out. It was an absolute blast. But as time went on, playing the same maps, Fighting the same people, it became very monotonous. It was more like going through the motions than anything else. Dont get me wrong, I applaud HTC for what they have done. Nowhere else can you call and have one of the staff talk you through your issue like they do (learned this very recently from another game I currently play).
and you were popular too :D
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moin
Aces High never went boring to me, fighting the same people happens sometimes but thats ok and nice too. I was ever a knight but also meet some nice guys on the other side wile fighting and its abselute cool if you fly behind an enemy and see his manovers and nows who that guy is. sure that happens not often but i like it, its a kind of this AH family.
i cant understand way somebody says the situations in MA are monotonous. Every situation is diverent in AH you never knew wich kind of enemy and aircraft will come infront of you, you never new his alt and speed and skill so every situation is diverent and that is what AH makes great.
If i get shoot down, i have done something wrong in the last minute bevor and thats means i need to get better in what ever i have done bevor.
cu christian
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and you were popular too :D
Not in a good way either :P
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Get over it... grab a bunch of flowers (or a woman who smell like flowers) and enjoy life... :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYii6nxhvUk
;)
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Flowers don't explode.
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Flowers don't explode.
(http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/exploding-flowers-ori-gersht-painting.jpeg)
Don't .... trust .... Moot.
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No More octopus lake that's why
I think they should bring back a 15 player max free arena like in the old days as it would give people that cant afford now something to do and keep the skills up and also bring in new people that once they try it they will buy it.
beefie
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I've got an idea. I want to play more AH, but I don't have as much time to do so. How about some of you folks who are talking about playing less AH give some of your free time to me so that I can play more? :aok
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I've got an idea. I want to play more AH, but I don't have as much time to do so. How about some of you folks who are talking about playing less AH give some of your free time to me so that I can play more? :aok
:lol +1
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I've got an idea. I want to play more AH, but I don't have as much time to do so. How about some of you folks who are talking about playing less AH give some of your free time to me so that I can play more? :aok
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Brilliant.png) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/TheAmish/media/Brilliant.png.html)
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I'll make this quick, I gotta get back to the game.
I haven't taken my wife out since I started playing 2 years ago.
I haven't seen my son in about that time as well.
My Dogs are getting skinny because I feed them dinner and the wife feeds them breakfast. So they are down to one meal a day.
The in Laws want to know if I was abducted.
At one time I had about 30 friends. Now I'm down to only my best friend who started playing shortly after I did.
I get out of the house once a month to see my Psychiatrist about Aces High addiction.
And I hear many of you talk about the same addiction.
Now you tell me this..............why is this game not growing in numbers by leaps and bounds (maybe it is)? Anyone who tries this game for the two free weeks gets hooked instantly.
I like the challenge in fighting. I like the challenge of learning something new. I like the challenge of developing my skills. THIS GAME IS A COMPETITIVE CHALLENGE!
So I'm happy I found ACES HIGH. I don't see it dieing or losing to any competitor.
:rock <-----They say this means rock, but I want one where spock spreads his fingers and says "Live long and prosper!) :cool:
KIMO........spssst......nahhh hhh I'm not addicted. lol
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:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :rock :rock :rock :rock We need a Shocker !!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :devil :devil :devil :devil :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:
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Well I've read this whole thread, which is accomplishment enough for one day, but I do have to say this: As a comparative new-comer (circa '97) I am reminded of near-identical posts on the gamestorm boards. It is nice to know that should that occasional itch ever become prolonged and need to be scratched there remains a place where I can get the scratching done. HT's built the mundanedum he wanted and it's a good one. I suspect that HTC will continue to update it as they see the need.
Cheers to all you old farts still young enough to remember me :D
asw
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Cheers to all you old farts still young enough to remember me
Good lord, asw, wouldn't be possible to forget you. Good to see you back.
- oldman
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Cheers to all you old farts still young enough to remember me :D
asw
:salute :) :cheers:
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http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/exploding-flowers-ori-gersht-painting.jpeg
Don't .... trust .... Moot.
Women don't explode neither
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Cheers to all you old farts still young enough to remember me :D
asw
Of course I remember you... Glad to see you drop by.
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Women don't explode neither
I thought you were married, moot. My bad. ;)
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Howdy, asw!
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found many players in WOT Arcade game
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found many players in WOT Arcade game
Thats the game I play now. There are a bunch of us old school guys playing that now.
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I heard OlDemon plays over there too.
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I heard OlDemon plays over there too.
I need to get everyones name over there.
I know who Semp, DrBone, Spikes, Mrkillu2 and Redbull are.
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I would be interested in something besides the WW2 thing. Burned out long ago on that. Would love to see the WW1 thing finally given some attention, and the Korean war planeset could be a very interesting affair for a period of time. The whole armor things could definitely be improved/expanded. Hell, why not AH-64s? I guess for me the bottom line is the game felt like it stopped being seriously developed/improved upon about ten years ago. Yes, it gets updates and fixes all well appreciated......I already loaded the latest patch but I haven't launched the game yet to see the new changes. Waiting for nothing better to do.
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I guess for me the bottom line is the game felt like it stopped being seriously developed/improved upon about ten years ago.
You've got to be kidding. :O
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i havnt played in 6 months or more. I miss some of the people I flew with for years but not the game itself. I first played in 2001.
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It is because for many people, 2 weeks is simply not enough time to get interested in the game for someone to pay $15 a month after that to play. They die too fast and get frustrated. The learning curve is steep and I think that is great IMO, but 2 weeks isn't enough time to develop a proper sense of the game and community, therefore they don't feel like paying the $15 a month because they can hardly take off without getting murdered by AKAK :D. The cost isn't that much but it sounds like it especially when you get shot down every time 5 minutes and cant even understand game play.
The graphics I think are another big issue, but with time I think they will get better. My friend IT guy, makes fun of me all the time because I play this game with graphics the way there are. Sorry HTC I love you and this game.. just pointing out criticism from people I have tried to get to play.
They need to bring Head 2 Head back. This gave people the opportunity to learn the planes, find friends to help them learn, and gain a since of the community. The only reason I signed up for the MA is because I had a better understanding of the game as a whole and wanted to see what the MA hype was all about. I would probably never signed up after only 2 weeks because I had no freaking Clue what the heck I was doing.
BTW I love this game, I am one of those "addicted" members. I've been playing for 9 years. I am just pointing out discrepancies. I left for 4 years to go to college, came back, and I too notice that there are not as many new players and the numbers have not improved.
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You've got to be kidding. :O
Nope. not kidding. Same maps, same atmospheric graphics, some of the planes still have the same artwork from 2003. Same game play mechanics from 1999, in fact I think the game mechanics was worse last time I was in game (May, 2013) than it was ten years earlier. Adding new planes is always appreciated and the update to IL2 style paint jobs and working cockpits was obviously sorely welcome and beautifully done. Very happy that the Yaks got some work done. How long did that take? Now for the B26 ;) The tanks are still in need a genuine physics model.......bushes still stop 30 ton tanks on the dime and the corners of buildings can set your heavy vehicle to the gyrations of a super nova. Just keeping it real. I am long past the puppy love stage of infatuation with the game.
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The graphics I think are another big issue, but with time I think they will get better. My friend IT guy, makes fun of me all the time because I play this game with graphics the way there are.
Yeah, I actually showed a guy the game and he said "what is that? Mindcraft with planes?" I am dead serious.
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Yeah, I actually showed a guy the game and he said "what is that? Mindcraft with planes?" I am dead serious.
:huh
All games look the same when they're played in braille, it seems.
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Nope. not kidding. Same maps, same atmospheric graphics, some of the planes still have the same artwork from 2003. Same game play mechanics from 1999, in fact I think the game mechanics was worse last time I was in game (May, 2013) than it was ten years earlier. Adding new planes is always appreciated and the update to IL2 style paint jobs and working cockpits was obviously sorely welcome and beautifully done. Very happy that the Yaks got some work done. How long did that take? Now for the B26 ;) The tanks are still in need a genuine physics model.......bushes still stop 30 ton tanks on the dime and the corners of buildings can set your heavy vehicle to the gyrations of a super nova. Just keeping it real. I am long past the puppy love stage of infatuation with the game.
The difference between ....
.... this .... (I can't be satisfied)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img853/5049/a1l.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZjBz2XtMlE)
.... and this .... ([I can't get no] Satisfaction)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img196/6050/k8zb.png)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7cHPy04s8)
.... and this .... (You can't always get what you want)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img708/6186/zwog.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9M1hHcGwNH4)
.... can make all the difference in the world .... perspective-wise. :D
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I have been playing this game for 11years and i deleted my account..One reason is at $15 a month for 11 years i could have bought a real 109 lol..And no one plays anymore.% years ago i could not get into arena on a saturday cause it was FULL.Now there like 280 max people lol..And i can buy a new game for $60 and play forever or play AH for 4 months..I also just built a bad bellybutton gaming rig and AH don't even use a quarter of my machine and only uses 25% of my GPUs..I would rather play BF3 for every then AH for 4 months at same price..
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I have been playing this game for 11years and i deleted my account..One reason is at $15 a month for 11 years i could have bought a real 109 lol..And no one plays anymore.% years ago i could not get into arena on a saturday cause it was FULL.Now there like 280 max people lol..And i can buy a new game for $60 and play forever or play AH for 4 months..I also just built a bad bellybutton gaming rig and AH don't even use a quarter of my machine and only uses 25% of my GPUs..I would rather play BF3 for every then AH for 4 months at same price..
This is the funniest satire posted on this forum to date! :D
Please confirm this is satire.
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All the players left because they feared Arlo would figure out a way to post pictures in the game.
That's what they told me, at least.
:)
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All the players left because they feared Arlo would figure out a way to post pictures in the game.
That's what they told me, at least.
:)
They told you that? Imagine that. :D
I'm standing in line for my $2000.00 real BF-109. ;)
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The number of players seems to have dropped, and of the amount left seem to all be in tanks. I hope HTC runs some commercials or some sort of promotion to keep this thing going. Coming from someone who plays for the fights, it currently sucks.
I am not sure if they are currently running promotions, but people definitely aren't going to appear her if you're doing nothing to draw them in.
Still a nice game, but the gameplay is slipping. :aok
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I can't speak for others but the time it takes to retain a certain skill level and muscle memory is fairly great and as such once a player is unable to make the time commitment, the appeal is wanes.
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Having joined in Dec 2004 and only just cancelled my account last month, having not actually played seriously for a couple of years, I am one of those who have gone.
One of the big attractions for me in the days was not so much the game but the community. Building online relationships, both friend and foe, was part of what kept me coming back. It wasn't about the winning (thank god cause I sucked) but it was about having fun. That mean't, for me, joking on Vox or text, or having a fun dog fight (<S> Copperhead), just hanging in a bomber formation with the likes of Thndregg or Flaydone shooting the breeze, or winging with some great sticks in the Hells Angels. Truth be told my experience changed over time as the community changed over time to a more "win at any cost" type, where numbers replaced skill, and the old community got diluted beyond recognition.
I tried introducing my kids to the game now that they are 18 and 15, but they are of the next generation and don't get it when they have to climb out to a base for 5-10 mins only to be killed by superior (not good, just better than they are) pilots in the next 30 seconds. My 15 year old spends many hours gaming and can find his fun in many other games, none of which have communities like Aces High, because this not what the next generation is looking for.
Long live Aces High, and long live the Aces High Community. <S>
Solar10...
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Having joined in Dec 2004 and only just cancelled my account last month, having not actually played seriously for a couple of years, I am one of those who have gone.
One of the big attractions for me in the days was not so much the game but the community. Building online relationships, both friend and foe, was part of what kept me coming back. It wasn't about the winning (thank god cause I sucked) but it was about having fun. That mean't, for me, joking on Vox or text, or having a fun dog fight (<S> Copperhead), just hanging in a bomber formation with the likes of Thndregg or Flaydone shooting the breeze, or winging with some great sticks in the Hells Angels. Truth be told my experience changed over time as the community changed over time to a more "win at any cost" type, where numbers replaced skill, and the old community got diluted beyond recognition.
I tried introducing my kids to the game now that they are 18 and 15, but they are of the next generation and don't get it when they have to climb out to a base for 5-10 mins only to be killed by superior (not good, just better than they are) pilots in the next 30 seconds. My 15 year old spends many hours gaming and can find his fun in many other games, none of which have communities like Aces High, because this not what the next generation is looking for.
Long live Aces High, and long live the Aces High Community. <S>
Solar10...
<S> Solar.. I haven't hung out with you in a long, long, time. We did indeed have a lot of fun times, no matter how the game went.
As far as why I personally don't play as much.. work, family, and my band. I still subscribe, and I still log in a few hours here and there. There's no burnout factor for me on Aces High simply because I don't play every day. But, I still play, and I still hang with my 91st buds. As Solar said, it's more about comradery and friendship.
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And no one plays anymore.
Drat. I'm a nobody. :cry My only consolation is flying with all of those other nobodies out there.
And i can buy a new game for $60 and play[1] forever[2]
[1]Against the computer or with up to 32 other guys.
[2] Not really forever -- the game companies don't support the purchased games for long before they move on to something else. For example, I really liked Battlefield 1942 (except for the imbecilic airplanes), but after a 2-3 years, I couldn't play it anymore as it would crash my machine too often (buggy PunkBuster/BF1942 combo conflicting with RivaTuner on my setup).
Stand-alone play is to AH's multiplayer play what a McDonald's hamburger is to a Ruth's Chris T-bone. 32-player is OK, but it, too, but a whole dimension less than what AH can offer. BF1942 or Quake are fun, but are in comparison popcorn.
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32-player is OK, but it, too, but a whole dimension less than what AH can offer. BF1942 or Quake are fun, but are in comparison popcorn.
For people who feel like you, that's true. I'm also of the same opinion.
There are however, a lot of people who like the 32 player get into action fast, have a clear objective, and the 16v16 battle somewhat resembles a fair fight, at least by numbers. That's something that AH doesn't do spectacularly well, and to a good number of people that's a hindrance to their enjoyment. I personally prefer open world, but not everybody does.
Wiley.
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Well having a way to open personable servers like Head 2 Head offered but with a larger cap of players might be a good idea! A lot of those head 2 head maps could be put to good use and would be a lot of fun to play smaller fast action arenas like Head 2 Head offered. The way I see it, the MA is just too big of an arena for new 2 weekers to comprehend. Like solar10 said, his kids didn't want to play it because it took them 15 minutes to fly to a base only to get shot down instantly. For real I just hope people are reading what I am saying about this because I know it is true and I only want this game to succeed.
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moin
the problem with that, do you want to play aces high if it becomes so arcade? We need to find a way to get in both, the older play style and the sty for the new generation.
imagine if for example close airspawns would be posible to an anymy base, that would be horible and would kill ouer old comunity stille.
But maybe we could bring in mobile airvilds wich could be placed by a big me323 or we could transport mobile vehicle spawns, so during the game its posible to bring in somthing like short vehicle and aircraft spawns, but sure this places would be realy wak and need to be devended :-).
cu christian
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If AH became more arcade, and less historical (you can't have both), then my choice would be to leave. Part of the draw to this game for me is the suspense and anticipation of something that may or may not happen as you commit to a sortie, a mission, etc.. I might just be a milk run, it might be a tough fight to get through, it might result in getting yourself shredded out of the sky, or you might get pretty damn lucky and return to base with several kills under your belt and sweaty palms as you say "Whew!" :uhoh
It takes patience and flexibility in thinking to find all this out- something not everyone can commit to.
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If AH became more arcade, and less historical (you can't have both), then my choice would be to leave.
Maybe there's confusion over what is arcade for other games and arcade for AHII. With an arena that has external views enabled, fuel and ammo use set to unlimited and stall inhibitor/combat trim default, that would be rather arcadish. The question becomes, then, is this enough of a draw for the WoW/Warthunder crowd? They have all that available now, don't they? Plus they have fluffy graphics.
For me (like you, it appears) AHII represents the perfect match of playability and realism. I'm leaning toward marketing/guerrilla marketing to increase numbers. Hitech is a rather small company, compared to many. A 10-20% increase may be all that's needed to insure AHII will be around as long as Dale and company have the desire and endurance to keep it that way. For that matter, the summer drop in numbers may not be the crisis some would have it be. Currently, AHI/II has had a longer shelf-life than AWI/II/III (and I personally think that says a lot - during my short time playing AW, I was quite devoted).
I'm reminded of a story about a little chicken that was concerned about the sky .....
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Currently, AHI/II has had a longer shelf-life than AWI/II/III (and I personally think that says a lot - during my short time playing AW, I was quite devoted).
Air Warrior was first introduced in 1986 and closed its doors in 2001, ~15 years. AH went to open beta in September 1999. There's still a short while to go before AH goes past AW's time.
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Air Warrior was first introduced in 1986 and closed its doors in 2001, ~15 years. AH went to open beta in September 1999. There's still a short while to go before AH goes past AW's time.
Very short. And EA hasn't tried to buy AHII yet (thank Cod). :)
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If AH became more arcade, and less historical (you can't have both), then my choice would be to leave. Part of the draw to this game for me is the suspense and anticipation of something that may or may not happen as you commit to a sortie, a mission, etc.. I might just be a milk run, it might be a tough fight to get through, it might result in getting yourself shredded out of the sky, or you might get pretty damn lucky and return to base with several kills under your belt and sweaty palms as you say "Whew!" :uhoh
It takes patience and flexibility in thinking to find all this out- something not everyone can commit to.
While I'd hesitate to use the word 'historical' for the way the LWMA operates, I agree with this sentiment.
You and your buddies create your own situation based on what's going on in the arena at the time. The only other sim I know of that has similar gameplay to AH right now is Warbirds.
If AH goes away, it's either WB's or one of the round based options like WT. Neither of those is attractive to me, and that makes me sad. Unfortunately the open world sandbox style of gameplay seems to me to be getting less and less popular as time goes on.
Most people want to be told 'This is what you need to do for the next fifteen to thirty minutes to win.' Most people want some semblance of a fair fight.
Both of those things lower the experience for me, and make nearly every fight the same. I guess that's what people want, simpler, more repetitive gameplay so they have a better chance of improving.
'But Wiley!' I hear somebody say, 'If we just add the round based gameplay alongside the current game it'll bring in a bunch more people and everyone will benefit!'
I disagree. Bringing in round based stuff would bring in a bunch of new people, but I'm pretty confident it would make the current style arenas a ghost town.
Wiley.
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A 10-20% increase may be all that's needed to insure AHII will be around as long as Dale and company have the desire and endurance to keep it that way. For that matter, the summer drop in numbers may not be the crisis some would have it be. Currently, AHI/II has had a longer shelf-life than AWI/II/III (and I personally think that says a lot - during my short time playing AW, I was quite devoted).
I doubt it... The shelf life? not quite and AW had 4 <we were on Milinium> when did AW start? 86? to what Dec 7 2001? 15 years?
AH came out in 2000? beta in 1999?
HT came out with AH2 in 2005? so ... 2010 should have been AH3?... and would be working on AH4 for release in a year and a half?
I remember hearing about the new game AH... at the time we said the same thing about it...."Ah ..AW is the best...we are all gonna stay here" ...some were migrating to AH back then....we see the same situation again with AH <being the old dog now> and "the new games"
Nope, He says he can turn this game up but it will blow every 1 out of the Air, ...well he better turn it up quick or every one will be gone
I was just looking at their website there at WT they have russian english and ...what? Polish? :huh... Who woulda thunk it.. the poles like to fly? :rolleyes:
I wanted to see if the had the D5 with 20mm's ...yep they have 5 ju87's... then p-63....yep... Flippin 5 versions of the He-112... you kiddin me ??.. 2 versions of the Boomer...D520,,, all the Itallian stuff...5 zekes...not that I care about them.....
$600 at NewEgg,
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HT came out with AH2 in 2005? so ... 2010 should have been AH3?... and would be working on AH4 for release in a year and a half?
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Nope, He says he can turn this game up but it will blow every 1 out of the Air, ...well he better turn it up quick or every one will be gone
I was just looking at their website there at WT they have russian english and ...what? Polish? :huh... Who woulda thunk it.. the poles like to fly? :rolleyes:
I wanted to see if the had the D5 with 20mm's ...yep they have 5 ju87's... then p-63....yep... Flippin 5 versions of the He-112... you kiddin me ??.. 2 versions of the Boomer...D520,,, all the Itallian stuff...5 zekes...not that I care about them.....
$600 at NewEgg,
:headscratch: *ShruG*
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you looked at their development tree...there aren't that many aircraft active yet. they have some seriously dumb fantasy crap in there too, like a german p-47 and a japanese corsair. and :rofl a good percentage of players think the planes flew in combat in squadron strength.
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I definitely love the realism and simulator style of AH and so happy that it is the way it is with the big world map, do what ever you want, type format.
I probably couldn't play WT because it takes the fun out of actually using real combat maneuvers, stalling, and using gas and bullets wisely.
Maybe AH could focus on making the overall big world map a tiny bit smaller, that way it forces fights all around the map, it still would be big enough to do a jabo mission and take a base out that is not busy, but at the same time causes bigger furballs, higher SA, and less time sitting in the tower looking around for a fight, because there would be less bases to take off from. Yeah base taking might be a bit more difficult but it would make game play more fun and have a higher rate fights/flying to an enemy base.
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I have attached interesting article from 2007, and although dated it brings up many points that are being exploited today in not just the gaming industry but also the workplace as a whole. Gamification is the adoption of gaming techniques in the work place that will generate rewards for employees that trigger the very addictive chemical Dopamine in the brain.
Here is an excerpt:
"The genesis of this reaction may lie in the neurotransmitter dopamine. A number of studies have revealed that game playing triggers dopamine release in the brain, a finding that makes sense, given the instrumental role that dopamine plays in how the brain handles both reward and exploration. Jaak Panksepp, a neuroscientist collaborating with the Falk Center for Molecular Therapeutics at Northwestern University, calls the dopamine system the brain’s “seeking” circuitry, which propels us to explore new avenues for reward in our environment. The game world is teeming with objects that deliver clearly articulated rewards: more life, access to new levels, new equipment, new spells. Most of the crucial work in game interface design revolves around keeping players notified of potential rewards available to them and how much those rewards are needed."
If you create a system in which rewards are both clearly defined and achieved by exploring an environment, you’ll find human brains drawn to those systems, even if they’re made up of virtual characters and simulated sidewalks. It’s likely those Tactical Ops players in an fMRI machine were able to tolerate the physical discomfort of the machine because the game environment so powerfully stimulated the brain’s dopamine system."
We are all addicts of dopamine. I real life it is a chemical reaction that produces euphoria and a desire to repeat what you just achieved but something that you may experience just a few times a day. In the gaming world you get the same reaction multiple times an hour. It's that buzz you get when you get a kill, complete a sortie, flight tight to your wingman, etc. that generates the desire to do it again.
Games that are successful maximize the generation of this reaction.
The secret will be how will Hitech maximize this for the new players, the intermediate players and the experienced players. I think the most satisifed are probably the intermediates players (Also known as horde :t) at this time.
Here is the full article. http://discovermagazine.com/2007/brain/video-games#.Ue6sAhY9mcM
Sorry if this is :noid
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:headscratch: *ShruG*
I doubt it... The shelf life? not quite and AW had 4 <we were on Milinium> when did AW start? 86? to what Dec 7 2001? 15 years?
AH came out in 2000? beta in 1999?
HT came out with AH2 in 2005? so ... 2010 should have been AH3?... and would be working on AH4 for release in a year and a half?
I remember hearing about the new game AH... at the time we said the same thing about it...."Ah ..AW is the best...we are all gonna stay here" ...some were migrating to AH back then....we see the same situation again with AH <being the old dog now> and "the new games"
Nope, He says he can turn this game up but it will blow every 1 out of the Air, ...well he better turn it up quick or every one will be
gone...
............................. ..Insert Break Here......................... ......... :headscratch: :aok
I was just looking at their website there at WT they have russian english and ...what? Polish? :huh... Who woulda thunk it.. the poles like to fly? :rolleyes:
I wanted to see if the had the D5 with 20mm's ...yep they have 5 ju87's... then p-63....yep... Flippin 5 versions of the He-112... you kiddin me ??.. 2 versions of the Boomer...D520,,, all the Itallian stuff...5 zekes...not that I care about them.....
$600 at NewEgg,
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I probably couldn't play WT because it takes the fun out of actually using real combat maneuvers, stalling, and using gas and bullets wisely.
in arcade mode, mostly true...the mouse mongers have a bit of an edge but someone with some know how can generally out do them. in the other 2 modes...it's pretty much the same as ah. their "realism" is no icons, no hud, no arcade help and no hud. one trick is when you land to re-arm, the entire runway is a rearm pad, and you can change your loadout as well as fuel time.
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I doubt it... The shelf life? not quite and AW had 4 <we were on Milinium> when did AW start? 86? to what Dec 7 2001? 15 years?
AH came out in 2000? beta in 1999?
HT came out with AH2 in 2005? so ... 2010 should have been AH3?... and would be working on AH4 for release in a year and a half?
I remember hearing about the new game AH... at the time we said the same thing about it...."Ah ..AW is the best...we are all gonna stay here" ...some were migrating to AH back then....we see the same situation again with AH <being the old dog now> and "the new games"
Nope, He says he can turn this game up but it will blow every 1 out of the Air, ...well he better turn it up quick or every one will be
gone...
............................. ..Insert Break Here......................... ......... headscratch Thumbs UP!
I was just looking at their website there at WT they have russian english and ...what? Polish? Excuse me?!?!... Who woulda thunk it.. the poles like to fly? rolleyes
I wanted to see if the had the D5 with 20mm's ...yep they have 5 ju87's... then p-63....yep... Flippin 5 versions of the He-112... you kiddin me ??.. 2 versions of the Boomer...D520,,, all the Itallian stuff...5 zekes...not that I care about them.....
$600 at NewEgg,
:huh :headscratch: :huh *ShruG*
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I'm thinking Megalodon's post might be some sort of performance art, or possibly free verse? Someone check to see if he's wearing a beret.
Wiley.
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I'm thinking Megalodon's post might be some sort of performance art, or possibly free verse? Someone check to see if he's wearing a beret.
Wiley.
Too big to be a Haiku.
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Too big to be a Haiku.
Some people should have
A forum post maximum
Of seventeen beats
:)
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Leaves floating in stream
Colors in the sunlight show
No toilet paper
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A near hiku from when my daughter was 2. (Imagery applicable to AH play as well.)
Hello ant
running very fast
I squish you
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Excessive methane gas
odoriferous cloud
lack of friends
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I hate haikus
they are just sh*tty poems
written by japs
(this post is a lie, as well as failing to be 575...i am actually a big fan :angel: )
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I hate haikus
they are just sh*tty poems
written by japs
(this post is a lie, i am actually a big fan :angel: )
Jap is a poor term
Considered offensive too
Japanese play too
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Jap is a poor term
Considered offensive by many
Japanese play too
Shut it round eyes ;)
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Shut it round eyes ;)
:D
Initial version had too many syllables.
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septic tank poster
political correctness
wasted on coombes
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Wop baba loo op
A wop bama booma-lop
Lil Richard no hai
koo?
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moin
the problem with that, do you want to play aces high if it becomes so arcade? We need to find a way to get in both, the older play style and the sty for the new generation.
imagine if for example close airspawns would be posible to an anymy base, that would be horible and would kill ouer old comunity stille.
But maybe we could bring in mobile airvilds wich could be placed by a big me323 or we could transport mobile vehicle spawns, so during the game its posible to bring in somthing like short vehicle and aircraft spawns, but sure this places would be realy wak and need to be devended :-).
cu christian
H2H was that. They would've used Me 323s for sure, had they been available.. E.G. Mitsu's FFA map had the terrain set up for effectively the same thing.A near hiku from when my daughter was 2. (Imagery applicable to AH play as well.)
Hello ant
running very fast
I squish you
STOLEN :devil
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septic tank poster
political correctness
wasted on coombes
:rofl
coombs hypoopcracy
trolling is what coombs must do
Troll coombs till he turns blue
:D
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Hemorrhoid is a poking
major pain in the rear
apply lots of creme
pray it will clear
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Coombzie! :rofl
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Hemorrhoid is a poking
major pain in the rear
apply lots of creme
pray it will clear
:rofl
uh no butt hurt here...
coombzie uses too much cream
some on some noses
be carfull not to get in your eyes, just ask Jenna Maroney!
(http://www.soundonsight.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/68225.jpg)
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Bad poems hurt me
Why do they continue on?
I want a sandwich
Wiley.
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Bad poems hurt me
Why do they continue on?
I want a sandwich
Wiley.
Literary critics :rolleyes:
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Literary critics :rolleyes:
:rofl
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Japs are Japs, how is it considered offensive?
Jap is a shortening and lazy way of saying Japanese.
I don't see anything inciting racial hatred and/or stereotyping.
If "Jap" is wrong then anyone using the term limey needs lynching.
Sometimes the mind boggles :rolleyes:
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Japs are Japs, how is it considered offensive?
Jap is a shortening and lazy way of saying Japanese.
I don't see anything inciting racial hatred and/or stereotyping.
If "Jap" is wrong then anyone using the term limey needs lynching.
Sometimes the mind boggles :rolleyes:
You don't call your country a ......
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You don't call your country a ......
Wait, let me work through this.
Great Britian... Great British... British... Brit...
Scotland... Scottish.... Scott...
England... Englishman... English...
Wales... Welsh... SheepShagger....
Well at least it took me until I got to the Welsh. :old:
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Wait, let me work through this.
Great Britian... Great British... British... Brit...
Scotland... Scottish.... Scott...
England... Englishman... English...
Wales... Welsh... SheepShagger....
Well at least it took me until I got to the Welsh. :old:
You aren't getting it, lol. First syllable of Japan is Jap....first syllable of country is?
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Your trying to slow walk me to an epiphany, just PM me the point.
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Terms that were once used commonly can at a later date be deemed offensive. There are many examples, most of them with respect to a minority group, nationality, or ethnicity. PC can carry this to extremes, but "Jap" is today outside the PC realm and into common perception in the US as not being polite. "Limey" and "Yank" aren't at that level today, likely because the English and Americans don't feel like anyone whose opinion matters perceives them as being lower status, so they don't care much about it.
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Your trying to slow walk me to an epiphany, just PM me the point.
I'm playing your little game until it bores me because you ignored my point. Now I'm bored.
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:headscratch:
You 2 percenters are bonkers :old:
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Wales... Welsh... SheepShagger.... :rofl
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Terms that were once used commonly can at a later date be deemed offensive. There are many examples, most of them with respect to a minority group, nationality, or ethnicity. PC can carry this to extremes, but "Jap" is today outside the PC realm and into common perception in the US as not being polite. "Limey" and "Yank" aren't at that level today, likely because the English and Americans don't feel like anyone whose opinion matters perceives them as being lower status, so they don't care much about it.
...and because we didn't intern any English people
Maybe this will help some folks understand
(http://edc2012.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/japanese-internment-camp-1.jpg?w=300&h=225)
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The term is offensive.
Enough said.
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The term is offensive.
Enough said.
And the irony is in the title of this thread.... :rofl :rofl
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Terms that were once used commonly can at a later date be deemed offensive.
While true enough in some circumstances, "Jap" was a derogatory term when it was used in WWII, and remains so today. Dolby may be too young to realize this, for all I know.
- oldman
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And the irony is in the title of this thread.... :rofl :rofl
Exactly. People don't stay in a community where they're subjected to offensive bigotry.
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Gyrene, I see your points. Some modes are close to "home". The others don't appeal to me. What might "fly" here would be changes to re-arm restrictions...the ability to change the load-out would be a plus in AH. Oh, and after a brief venture "over there" in the kiddie pool, my subscription stays here. :aok
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Where have all the players gone? I killed em all!
Really though I have just lost interest over time. Theres alot of other cool stuff to do out there in this world than sitting on my butt playing a game. Any game not just this one.
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A near hiku from when my daughter was 2. (Imagery applicable to AH play as well.)
Hello ant
running very fast
I squish you
:rofl :rofl
:aok
Celeste and viv are just hilarious
:rofl
Playing these last few days, what's really burning me out are the hordes. I have to up, fly to 30k and I get ho'd. :furious
rather annoying.
Albiet here are many fights to be had within the horde if you can single someone out
sawzaw
bluecoat
jazzi
to name a few.
Granted it takes time. There's still life in AH
(if your bored load a staged mission with a buddy. Me and crabby winged up with 6 AI and flew 190's against 70 lances and just had a blast being mauled)
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I didn't read all the posts and I'm late but here's why I play less than I used to: There's less to do that's fun and interesting.
Most of that IMO is related to the consolidation of strats. I use to like to bomb strats with both bombers and attack planes, rocket strats with Skd's or PT boats, shoot strats with tanks or mobile flak and defend strats against others that liked to attack them in many different ways. Most of that is gone.
All of that used to spread people across the maps. Now they horde more than ever before because there's little else an individual player can do alone to effect the outcome of the game so 1:1's also declined as a result. So did buff hunting. Fewer targets = fewer buffs in the air. Now you get to fly with or against the horde or fly for an hour going after the one guy who thinks a strat raid makes sense but might bail before you reach him.
There used to be a time base taking (or defending) wasn't that difficult that it needed 40 planes un the air. The additions of star wars ack, bigger towns, spread VBases, etc,. etc., etc, only encouraged the horde. I swear the horde is exactly what HT has aimed for over the years and he's succeeded brilliantly (The blue line experiment would have been the ultimate manifistation of this).
There's more but those leap to mind.
I still keep my subsciption but play less and less and less. It's only a matter of time before it's never at all and my subscription is dropped.
RIP AH.
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hi
come one its not so bad, i love hunting hords in my 262.
if a hord is jumping frome base to base im siting in my 262 and waiting were thay are going next. and if the sirens begins im jup in the air and disturp this horde as much as posible. If more guys will do that the hords will get away some day.
The horde taktik period is a timeline in AH we see in AH frome year to year. Doe you remeber the large tiffi raids long ttime ago, now thay are using p38. its nothing new but hunting Hords are always fun.
Theere are so many posibilitys you can finde your fun in AH, just try it :-).
cu christian
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I remeber the spit 16 horde a while back. Was fun raking the perks in :t
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there's little else an individual player can do alone to effect the outcome of the game
Maybe set it up so players can have larger effect on smaller scale. Something like the old Zone system? If one of these doesnt work, maybe a number of them would - e.g. zoned strats, more automated supply lines (C47, train, truck, etc), Me 163 factories, local P2P ENY, decentralized/local HQ dot/bar radar, etc. Put a relatively low cap on how much effect the many players in one group ("horde") can have, versus same number of players in X smaller geographically separate groups.
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Exactly. People don't stay in a community where they're subjected to offensive bigotry.
take it from someone who grew up subjected to such nonsense from every side of the fence...the politically correct society in the u.s. is sickening. people need to grow a pair and stop looking for reasons to be offended. i have personally witnessed bigoted people in 4 different countries talking about how they're offended at the bigotry of other people...that was putting it nicely by the way.
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I was just gonna get on not long ago and there was only 42 players on :/ Usually at this times there's at least 100. What has happened.
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I was just gonna get on not long ago and there was only 42 players on :/ Usually at this times there's at least 100. What has happened.
It's long ago that we had "usually 100" at this time of the day. ;)
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It's long ago that we had "usually 100" at this time of the day. ;)
Well, yeah. At night not much people are on. Well in time zone anyway.