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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: deadstikmac on August 05, 2014, 02:34:26 PM
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Which 109 do you prefer for knife fighting in a phone booth?
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109F. Nothing else can match it in the skies. Nothing!!! :D
It's got all the 109 attributes! Excellent climb rate, excellent flaps, decent speed, and then it's got it's own uniqueness such as a super light airframe. That lightness and powerful engine as a beautiful combination. Unlike the later 109s the F model doesn't have insane engine torque but still enough torque to pull off those one of a kind 109 moves :devil . On top of all of that, the maneuverability!! I have easily turned with and out turned all spits (excluding the 1 and 5) and zekes (excluding the A6M2).
the 109F is by far the greatest of the 109 series. K4 ain't got NOTHING on the F4! :D
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I prefer the G-2 but only because the lack of speed on the F makes shooting hard for me. If I was great with the F-4, it would be an easy choice. The F is superior in that fight but, I need a crutch. That crutch is power.
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Just gotta ask Latrobe, do you like the 109F? :devil
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No, I hate the 109F. That's why it's my #1 most flown plane. :devil
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The fastest - the K4. Those who start knife fights in 109's usually end up being easy kills.
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E-4/F-4. Both will turn with anything in the game. The E-4 lacks the engine and firepower of the F-4 but you'll look better fighting in it and feel better if you land some kills.
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109E.
It has cooler skins than the 109F. :)
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Yeah the 109f is def the best. It also out performs the E with speed and excel. For some reason my bullets don't work well in AH so I don't fly it for the fact that I shoot someone 50 times and issue no damage. Sigh. The G14 is my favorite because I like the Gondies and I'd rather kill them faster than chase them and get picked. The G14 has a powerful enough engine where the Gondies don't really make much of a difference, if any. But all 109s lose to the F model in a turnfight.
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G6 because I'm a masochist
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109F
Just hold the trigger down longer
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109F
Just hold the trigger down longer
Sometimes you don't even need to do that. A well aimed burst is just as good in the F4 as 8 50s on a Jug. I've taken the wings off planes with about 10 20mms used. :)
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Sorry I still have to take my G-6
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Ive been slumming in the g2 the last couple of days.. with gondies... love it
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K4 ain't got NOTHING on the F4! :D
Excuse me?
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K4 is my first choice, then the G14.
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K4 is teh best.
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K4 is teh best.
Wonder what happens when you fly against a decent 38 stick :noid
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Wonder what happens when you fly against a decent 38 stick :noid
:noid
One day. :old:
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Excuse me?
you heard me! :neener:
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G-10
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How about no..... Dirty words...
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GET EM REDBULL!! :devil
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Frederich.
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I use the G-2 for knife fighting, and the G-14 for B&Z.
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:noid
One day. :old:
he dies :bolt:
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G-14 is my pick for any kind of fight.
Turns tighter than the K-4, has a little less speed and the same firepower.
Anything it can't outmaneuver it can usually outrun. And its climb is insane.
Knife fights however, I'd listen to Latrobe. 109-F's are king.
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the 109F is by far the greatest of the 109 series. K4 ain't got NOTHING on the F4! :D
Um... Except for greater climb, speed and (theoretically) firepower...... I say theoretically because it can be tough to hit anything with the 30mm... while the 109F's firepower is several orders of magnitudes less difficult to hit anything with them.
That said, I'd agree the 109F is more fun as its the more challenging ride to survive in to land your kills (assuming one cares for such things).
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I'll explain all 109s with each strength and weakness. I have over 8 years experience in 109s. They all turn rather sharp and can handle stalls at slow speeds extremely well. There biggest weakness is diving. It loves vertical slash style figting and likes to be yank stalled for quick rolls. It really should not be used for BnZ style fighting.
109E - Probably the best turner, however that is basically its only strength. Its lack of speed, climb, excel, gun platform, and overall abilities in the latewar just don't give it much of a chance for survival.
The 109F- this is a wonderful plane and well balanced. It's climb, speed, and excel are the weaknesses. This plane can out turn spits and others. It handles stalls lovely. It's a super fun plane to fly. Although fighting against faster planes in the latewar will give it a hard time when the enemy gallops away. This plane is an excellent dog fighter plane. But again speed will hurt you when you are trying to get away from a large hoard.
109gG2 - This is the first plane with a lil bit bigger engine and better ammo load out. This 109 can out turn the later 109s but it is still slower than later ones. It can turn fight extremely well. Its a lil heavier so it doesn't have quite the looseness in turning like the 109f. I think the F model is better 1 v 1 and better balanced all around, but the G2s better ammo load out could give it the advanage if it gets a shot and it can dive a bit better than the F.
109G6- So this 109 has an even bigger engine and climbs, excel, top speed, and ammo load out changes to 50cal which is better. Now this 109 is right in the middle of performance in the 109 set. It's faster than the first 3, but doesn't turn as well. Its slower than the later 2 but turns a tad better. I'd say besides the 109E, it is the toughest to fly. It still lacks speed and excel in the latewar which causes it to get ganged easily like the first 3. It's views are little more tough with the engine callings, and it feels considerably heavier than the G2. IMO, the engine still isn't powerful enough for the weight of the plane, which can make it seem sluggish.
109gG14- let's just say this is the 109G6 but with the engine it deserves. So definitely better excel, top speed, and overall performance. But it can't quite turn as well as the G-6 It has the best ammo load out options of the set. It can turn extremely well and loves stalling. I think it turns better than the K4 and easily better than P38s :devil. This is my favorite 109 because it has an engine that can give it good performance for the weight. I mainly fly this over the K4 because it has a longer fuel load out and I like the ammo options. It can surprise most people in the virtical and can certainly give many turn fighters a hard time. It finally has an engine that can catch some late war planes, can get away from the hoard (sometimes), and can climb to alt faster to regain E during the fight. It loves the low and slow stall scissors.
109K- Obviously the best overall engine performance for the 109 set. While it is the weakest turner of the set (hardly), it can almost be made up by its ability to hang in the virtical for longer to capitalize on the rope. Its excel and climb rate is fenominal. I'd say it's one of the more fun planes to fly in the game. It has a short fuel load out and it's ammo load out is not favored entirely. Again, like all 109s the biggest weakness is the dive. It can catch most planes and extend away from most hoards. It loves stalling and stall rolling. It has great E capabilities and slow down capabilities. Most people get too low and slow trying to make the shot with the 30mm which hurts them and you must be extremely good at E control with the K4.
All of the 109s are great really, except for the 109E. The key is to learn how to manage E properly in vertical fights. The 109 is a vertical stall fighter. It's right in the middle of being a BnZ plane and being a TnB plane, this makes it difficult to land kills and be a "survival" type player. The dive really hurts the performance of the plane. You need to slash attack and pounce on planes. It loves stalling and loves slow scissors. Its almost impossible to flat spin unless during a looping roll you go left pull up and cut throttle too hard with rudder. It loves the stall roll and can flip over like you never seen. Always watch out for that overshoot! That's the planes specialty, especially the K4 with its 30!
Hope that helps!!
P.S edit: You should be skilled in defense tactics ACM maneuvers to be able to perform well in this plane. Which is why it's also hard for many people to fly. Gotta learn that stuff to be decent in any 109.
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God I miss this model. Wish they could bring it back!
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The fastest - the K4. Those who start knife fights in 109's usually end up being easy kills.
What are you going to do when you have no alt or speed to work with?
I guarantee the majority of 109 pilots in this thread are not easy kills because I've flown with them and against them for years.
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What are you going to do when you have no alt or speed to work with?
I guarantee the majority of 109 pilots in this thread are not easy kills because I've flown with them and against them for years.
You seem to imply that because I refuse to willingly enter a "knife fight" (correctly referred to as stall fighting), that I cannot stall fight. Your logical fallacies and assumptions aside, that was not what I said at all. I simply stated that those who initiate stall fights first typically end up being easy kills.
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Nice write up Violator. :aok
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I like them all honestly. On the days when my aim is actually decent the K4 cannot be beat. That said, I have to agree with Latrobe. The 109F can be a beast.
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What are you going to do when you have no alt or speed to work with?
Oooo... I know this one!
Unloaded extension followed by a shallow climb. If he's going to be caught he'll turn vertically* and shoot you in the face.
* - The only acceptable turn. Ever.
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109G6- So this 109 has an even bigger engine and climbs, excel, top speed, and ammo load out changes to 50cal which is better. Now this 109 is right in the middle of performance in the 109 set. It's faster than the first 3, but doesn't turn as well. Its slower than the later 2 but turns a tad better. I'd say besides the 109E, it is the toughest to fly. It still lacks speed and excel in the latewar which causes it to get ganged easily like the first 3. It's views are little more tough with the engine callings, and it feels considerably heavier than the G2. IMO, the engine still isn't powerful enough for the weight of the plane, which can make it seem sluggish.
This isn't really true at all. The G-6 is essentially the same aircraft as the G-2 with the MG17s substituted for MG131s. Due to the added weight and cowl bulges it's slower and has poorer acceleration and climb than the G-2.
I think that the extra weight makes it a bit more docile and comfortable though, while the other 109s tend to be a bit vicious. The G-6 is one of the more comfortable ones to work on. Plus, the firepower is pretty great.
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This thread should be getting a bit more interesting. :)
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You seem to imply that because I refuse to willingly enter a "knife fight" (correctly referred to as stall fighting), that I cannot stall fight. Your logical fallacies and assumptions aside, that was not what I said at all. I simply stated that those who initiate stall fights first typically end up being easy kills.
If they initiate them when outnumbered they are prime for the PICKER. But left to their own devices, they'll win 1 v 1 the majority of the time.
It didn't sound to me at all that Del was implying you cannot stall fight. He was presenting a situation that happens often even when people try to keep their speed. By your response to the OP, one doesn't have to assume much other than you like to keep your speed up and by your sig, you prefer not to turn. That set of evidence supports Del's question but I'll be more direct:
Can you stall fight? If so, what situation must present itself in order for you to do that?
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Just as clarification, 'hard-easy' is completely subjective, and I don't think anyone is 'wrong' in that sense, I was just commenting on the engine types as far as that goes. The G-2 and G-6 both have the same exact DB-605A engine, and there's not any room for discussion there.
The G-6 probably has the 'worst' combination of characteristics of any 109, and due to being the 'jack of all trades' and not shining in one particular area it may be the hardest to score/land kills in, but its balance also lends itself to flyability in my longstanding opinion. Of course disagreeing with this is totally valid.
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Just as clarification, 'hard-easy' is completely subjective, and I don't think anyone is 'wrong' in that sense, I was just commenting on the engine types as far as that goes. The G-2 and G-6 both have the same exact DB-605A engine, and there's not any room for discussion there.
The G-6 probably has the 'worst' combination of characteristics of any 109, and due to being the 'jack of all trades' and not shining in one particular area it may be the hardest to score/land kills in, but its balance also lends itself to flyability in my longstanding opinion. Of course disagreeing with this is totally valid.
I agree with all of this.
Real men fly the G6.
- oldman
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The G-6 is also the best looking 109.
That's objective though.
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The G-6 is also the best looking 109.
That's objective though.
Of that, there is little room for debate - imho.
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Just as clarification, 'hard-easy' is completely subjective, and I don't think anyone is 'wrong' in that sense, I was just commenting on the engine types as far as that goes. The G-2 and G-6 both have the same exact DB-605A engine, and there's not any room for discussion there.
The G-6 probably has the 'worst' combination of characteristics of any 109, and due to being the 'jack of all trades' and not shining in one particular area it may be the hardest to score/land kills in, but its balance also lends itself to flyability in my longstanding opinion. Of course disagreeing with this is totally valid.
Yeah that's true man. Honestly, I was writing this out of experience and haven't flown the g6 or G2 very much since I have been back. I'm at work so I can't look up any stats lol. But Thx for clearing that up.
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The G-6 is also the best looking 109.
That's objective though.
Agreed!!!
We have one of those in Tikkakoski aviation museum. It's about 20 minutes drive for me.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2680/4142057081_8897d4f8a2_o.jpg)
When Lentolaivue 34 was active on AH front, we used to fly these birds all the time. Nowadays I find meself in spit VIII or similar all the time :lol
This even though this fact: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIymlJYOw7A&list=UUdMi-IjJYVboG5nkdihf-QQ&index=21
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Can you stall fight? If so, what situation must present itself in order for you to do that?
The problem with a stall fight is that most pilots think the overshoot (and subsequent shot opportunity) is the end-game - those pilots are typically easy kills because all you have to do is avoid the potential deflection shot and your "overshoot" has now turned into a predictable rope... and it's actually very, very effortless to avoid it once you realize the mechanics of what's going on. Once that is realized, overshoots are actually the most effective way to rope an opponent, and I do it quite regularly. Probably 60% of my kills are purposeful overshoots on my part.
The end-game of the overshoot, for the defender, should be to enter a rolling scissors to equalize e-state, not to obtain a shot.
A stall fight should be entered only when
- Your own airspeed is close to minimum vertical maneuvering speed
- Your own airspeed is higher than your opponents, making an overshoot imminent if uncorrected
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- Your airspeed is too low to provide adequate clearance to either clear your opponents gun range or reverse in the vertical
- OR your airspeed is too close to your opponents that it will effectively leave them at a static distance behind you, within guns range
Those circumstances are when I enter a stall fight.
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The problem with a stall fight is that most pilots think the overshoot (and subsequent shot opportunity) is the end-game - those pilots are typically easy kills because all you have to do is avoid the potential deflection shot and your "overshoot" has now turned into a predictable rope... and it's actually very, very effortless to avoid it once you realize the mechanics of what's going on. Once that is realized, overshoots are actually the most effective way to rope an opponent, and I do it quite regularly. Probably 60% of my kills are purposeful overshoots on my part.
The end-game of the overshoot is the rolling scissors to equalize e-state, not to obtain a shot.
A stall fight should be entered only when
- Your own airspeed is close to minimum vertical maneuvering speed
- Your own airspeed is higher than your opponents, making an overshoot imminent if uncorrected
And:
- Your airspeed is too low to provide adequate clearance to either clear your opponents gun range or reverse in the vertical
- OR your airspeed is too close to your opponents that it will effectively leave them at a static distance behind you, within guns range
Those circumstances are when I enter a stall fight.
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
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You must be a lot of fun at parties.
What does a statement, founded in established ACM doctrine, have to do with being fun at parties? Fly any way you please, but there are specific parameters for every kind of fight. Fighting outside of those parameters means you'll get your butt kicked by someone who flies within them.
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What does a statement, founded in established ACM doctrine, have to do with being fun at parties? Fly any way you please, but there are specific parameters for every kind of fight. Fighting outside of those parameters means you'll get your butt kicked by someone who flies within them.
I'll reiterate, you must be fun at parties.
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The problem with a stall fight is that most pilots think the overshoot (and subsequent shot opportunity) is the end-game - those pilots are typically easy kills because all you have to do is avoid the potential deflection shot and your "overshoot" has now turned into a predictable rope... and it's actually very, very effortless to avoid it once you realize the mechanics of what's going on. Once that is realized, overshoots are actually the most effective way to rope an opponent, and I do it quite regularly. Probably 60% of my kills are purposeful overshoots on my part.
This method is usually easy to avoid.
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This method is usually easy to avoid.
Yes.
This is all assuming the slow pilot in the K4 knows how to perform the aaa am required to pull this off correctly and 80%, from my experience, absolutely do not. Others may chime differently.
The art of stall fighting is in ones ability to force the ac to perform at the end of its speed envelope and then some. Avoiding pilots close to stall wasn't the question but you did answer it so thank you.
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This method is usually easy to avoid.
You can't really "avoid" it. You can decide not to get roped and exit your reversal (which is simply the entry portion of a rolling scissors), but all that effectively does is put you back where you started at, with the defender nose-low and the attacker nose-high with an E advantage. This effectively means you're postponing the knife fight or avoiding it altogether, which is exactly what I stated initially - those who pursue knife fights as a first option typically die.
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Yes.
This is all assuming the slow pilot in the K4 knows how to perform the aaa am required to pull this off correctly and 80%, from my experience, absolutely do not. Others may chime differently.
P.S edit: You should be skilled in defense tactics ACM maneuvers to be able to perform well in this plane.
While I agree with these statements... the same can be said for any other figher in the plane set ...some of which are far more difficult to compete in (e.g. P-40, P-39, Yak-7, bf410, bf-110s, etc) against the majority of LW "monsters" .....like the K4, Ki84, N1K2, etc.
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You can't really "avoid" it. You can decide not to get roped and exit your reversal (which is simply the entry portion of a rolling scissors), but all that effectively does is put you back where you started at, with the defender nose-low and the attacker nose-high with an E advantage. This effectively means you're postponing the knife fight or avoiding it altogether, which is exactly what I stated initially - those who pursue knife fights as a first option typically die.
Take the altitude advantage by slowly climbing while maintaining a good amount of E..usually the attacker doesn't regain a bit of E from the top of the loop and it is slowly used away...once they are slow and about lose their altitude advantage they are killed or they just run away.
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Take the altitude advantage by slowly climbing while maintaining a good amount of E..usually the attacker doesn't regain a bit of E from the top of the loop and it is slowly used away...once they are slow and about lose their altitude advantage they are killed or they just run away.
They don't have to loop to come back down on you; in fact, they shouldn't if you are directly below them - this is a mistake made by less experienced pilots. If the attacker goes vertical and then hammerheads, your only options are to meet them head-on or go evasive, with both options draining the defender's E.
Also, if the attacker extends in this situation, it's not running. Literally, they are fighting the best E-fighting aircraft in the game. If they have enough E to extend, then they've managed it correctly (at least in the context of fighting a K4).
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They don't have to loop to come back down on you; in fact, they shouldn't if you are directly below them - this is a mistake made by less experienced pilots. If the attacker goes vertical and then hammerheads, your only options are to meet them head-on or go evasive, with both options draining the defender's E.
Also, if the attacker extends in this situation, it's not running. Literally, they are fighting the best E-fighting aircraft in the game. If they have enough E to extend, then they've managed it correctly (at least in the context of fighting a K4).
Though extending against a K4 can be a risky move considering how quickly a K4 can accelerate and gain/regain altitude. Usually when I confront someone that does this they end up making another failed pass and continue to "extend" until I get bored and break off. This is why Boelcke's rule includes having to continue and conclude an attack you've already started.
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I have done extensive research on the 109s. I promise you they do best at 30,000 feet. I suggest all you 109 drivers go to 30,000 feet to play and leave me alone. :banana:
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I have done extensive research on the 109s. I promise you they do best at 30,000 feet. I suggest all you 109 drivers go to 30,000 feet to play and leave me alone. :banana:
:)
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While I agree with these statements... the same can be said for any other figher in the plane set ...some of which are far more difficult to compete in (e.g. P-40, P-39, Yak-7, bf410, bf-110s, etc) against the majority of LW "monsters" .....like the K4, Ki84, N1K2, etc.
But we weren't talking about the early war plane set nor were we talking about the German heavy fighters. In fact, I haven't seen anyone lately get slow and fight in a 110 in a while. The best I saw was JUGgler and Irishone with a close second being Grizz depending on the day of the week. I'm sure there are others so don't let your panties hit you in the head over my selection.
I would argue that the P-40 is easier to fly at stall speed than the K4 simple because torque isn't nearly the factor in the 40 because of its weaker engine and its weight. But the 40 doesn't have the lethality of the 30mm and generally you just get a good spray of 50's that don't do too much damage as you go zooming by. Additionally, if anyone gets roped by a P-40, they should just kill themselves.
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But we weren't talking about the early war plane set nor were we talking about the German heavy fighters. In fact, I haven't seen anyone lately get slow and fight in a 110 in a while. The best I saw was JUGgler and Irishone with a close second being Grizz depending on the day of the week. I'm sure there are others so don't let your panties hit you in the head over my selection.
I would argue that the P-40 is easier to fly at stall speed than the K4 simple because torque isn't nearly the factor in the 40 because of its weaker engine and its weight. But the 40 doesn't have the lethality of the 30mm and generally you just get a good spray of 50's that don't do too much damage as you go zooming by. Additionally, if anyone gets roped by a P-40, they should just kill themselves.
I'd say IKO was the best in the 110. He could literally out turn a 109k any day of the week. sheet would piss me off lol.
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I'd say IKO was the best in the 110. He could literally out turn a 109k any day of the week. sheet would piss me off lol.
Ahh...I had forgotten. Then he and JUGgler would have been a 7 min fight on the deck, lol
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if anyone gets roped by a P-40, they should just kill themselves.
the P40C is a TITAN in the verticle :D
However i would have to respectfully disagree with you when you say the p40 is eaiser to handle at stall speeds than the likes of a k4. Sure torque isn't as much of an issue but it's stall characteristics are the opposite of the 109s forgiving nature. the P40s stalls are violent and abrupt, in my expeirence a prolonged stall in the p40 can be one of the most difficult to recover from with the expection of the 152.
I'm also of the opinion that 6 or even 4 M2 Browning 50 caliber machine guns are the superior armarment to the late war 109s mk108 30mm and pair of cowl mounted mg131. That is unless your going after heavy bombers.
This of course is all just my opinion for the most partbut anyway.
BACK TO 109s! Emil is the best!
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In fact, I haven't seen anyone lately get slow and fight in a 110 in a while.
Then you are not paying attention...that or your definition of "getting slow" is a bit narrow.
As for the rest....you misunderstand the reason I mentioned the planes I did. NONE of them can run. Flying one into a knife fight truly is conquer or die. No other options. A K4 can always "disengage"...the capability is always there to do so if the pilot is smart. The option is always there.
This is an important when you consider definitions of "success" different from your own. When someone who defines success as "landing kills" decides to fly one of these planes its an added challenge because by doing so they reduced their chances of "success" as they define it.
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:lol
Gotta admit the first time I saw Skyyr do that engine cut thing in the Dora I cried laughing.
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Latrobe doesn't even like 109's, he thinks they're too "mainstream".. hipster :)
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gratuitous repeat of uncreative troll material
:rolleyes:
Come up with some new troll material, please. At least Changeup's are amusing.
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Then you are not paying attention...that or your definition of "getting slow" is a bit narrow.
As for the rest....you misunderstand the reason I mentioned the planes I did. NONE of them can run. Flying one into a knife fight truly is conquer or die. No other options. A K4 can always "disengage"...the capability is always there to do so if the pilot is smart. The option is always there.
This is an important when you consider definitions of "success" different from your own. When someone who defines success as "landing kills" decides to fly one of these planes its an added challenge because by doing so they reduced their chances of "success" as they define it.
I haven't been on while you're on in a while but I can honestly say in the hours of video I have flying in the same area as you, you ain't on the low and slow list.
I attempt to fly the K4 and on the deck it gets run down plenty by 51s, temps, typhs, -4s, etc. Its primary advantage is it's ability to pull itself around when slow. It dives like poo. You need to spend more time in before giving assessments.
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:rolleyes:
Come up with some new troll material, please. At least Changeup's are amusing.
So now you're policing what others find humorous? Man, you ain't that important bro.
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I haven't been on while you're on in a while but I can honestly say in the hours of video I have flying in the same area as you, you ain't on the low and slow list.
Still policing and judging how others fly? Man, you ain't that important, or good, bro.
I attempt to fly the K4 and on the deck it gets run down plenty by 51s, temps, typhs, -4s, etc. Its primary advantage is it's ability to pull itself around when slow. It dives like poo. You need to spend more time in before giving assessments.
You need to spend more trying to understand simple concepts, rather than posting disenginous replies that reflect your personal biases.
May I assume you are claiming the K4, on the deck, has no more inherent capability to disengage from a fight than the planes I previously mentioned? I ask because you appear to be doing so. You then attempt to back up your claim by stating the K4 is "run down plenty". You fail to mention the planes you list as doing so are among the fastest in the game. Could I run a K4 down in a 110? How about in a P40? A SpitV? After you answer that, go read what I previously posted....maybe it will start to sink in.
So now you're policing what others find humorous? Man, you ain't that important bro.
Not at all! But new material would be nice...the "turns off his prop" stuff is sooooo two months ago.
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Quote fail... lol
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Quote fail... lol
Well...it's an upgrade from "derp derp" at least.
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Well since this thread is way off the rails...
I would fly a Mk. VIII :P
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Well since this thread is way off the rails...
I would fly a Mk. VIII :P
Spit dweeb! :D :aok
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Still policing and judging how others fly? Man, you ain't that important, or good, bro.
You need to spend more trying to understand simple concepts, rather than posting disenginous replies that reflect your personal biases.
May I assume you are claiming the K4, on the deck, has no more inherent capability to disengage from a fight than the planes I previously mentioned? I ask because you appear to be doing so. You then attempt to back up your claim by stating the K4 is "run down plenty". You fail to mention the planes you list as doing so are among the fastest in the game. Could I run a K4 down in a 110? How about in a P40? A SpitV? After you answer that, go read what I previously posted....maybe it will start to sink in.
Not at all! But new material would be nice...the "turns off his prop" stuff is sooooo two months ago.
1. I call people's flight as I see them. Much like you attempt to police the BBS. The difference is the community gets to judge flight. They don't get to police the boards...unless your name is Skuzzy.
2. You intimated that others, meaning you, fly the 110 on the deck slow. I simply pointed out that I find you above your own airfields a lot....A LOT.
3. My point about the K4, completely unlike the point on your head, was that the best pilots in the K4 know how to fly it so that they don't need to run. A point that fell on deaf ears with your squadmate.
4. You rang in with red herring examples of late war uberrides.
I suggest resisting the temptation to post for the sake of posting something. Take a break...you don't have to post in every thread.
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1. I call people's flight as I see them. Much like you attempt to police the BBS. The difference is the community gets to judge flight. They don't get to police the boards...unless your name is Skuzzy.
2. You intimated that others, meaning you, fly the 110 on the deck slow. I simply pointed out that I find you above your own airfields a lot....A LOT.
3. My point about the K4, completely unlike the point on your head, was that the best pilots in the K4 know how to fly it so that they don't need to run. A point that fell on deaf ears with your squadmate.
4. You rang in with red herring examples of late war uberrides.
I suggest resisting the temptation to post for the sake of posting something. Take a break...you don't have to post in every thread.
Thanks so much for your suggestions and reply. My responses:
1. Havent seen you on in quite a while,so im not sure where youve seen me over my base a lot.i tend to see you surounded by a horde of your buddies when i do come across you...but I digress. Feel free to call out on 200 if youd like to come see how I fly in the MA. Im on most nights...give a shout out!
2. Im not policing the boards....I leave that to you and yours.
3. Bravo on once again twisting the conversation back to your comfort zone of trash! talking and chest beating. And you even managed to throw in a tired ˝Your squad runs" shot too! Outstanding work. :aok
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:rolleyes:
Come up with some new troll material, please. At least Changeup's are amusing.
:rofl
How is this a troll? Are you that insecure about replies geared towards your fearless leader that you think everything is a troll?
You should look up the definition of a statement and redefine the slang term "troll". If I wanted to "troll" Skyyr I would troll him
and it would be a very DISTINCT troll.
"Skyyr only flies at 20k in a Dora and he runs at the first sign of death" -- that is a "troll".
I laughed at the Dora incident because I had never seen someone do it and it actually make me overshoot.
Fulcrum you have become the definition of a cry baby and you're like Midway::Bruv except Fulcrum::Skyyr.
His ankle has to be corroded by now as much as you hang around it.
I am glad Skyyr is your FPH, we all have them. DrBone and Blkjack6 are my FPH.
But I am afraid you have a slight obsession for Skyyr, sir.
I am sorry if you see this as a "troll" but it is just incite for you to change your ankle humping ways.
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Give it a rest you guys.
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I vote Zoney for a rule #5 violation. :furious
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Not ankle humping at all, Ghost. Skyyr isn't my "FPH"....I don't have or want one to be frank. And please, get some new material.... :lol
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This the same Fulcrum that was with the Muppets previously?
:)
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Then you are not paying attention...that or your definition of "getting slow" is a bit narrow.
As for the rest....you misunderstand the reason I mentioned the planes I did. NONE of them can run. Flying one into a knife fight truly is conquer or die. No other options. A K4 can always "disengage"...the capability is always there to do so if the pilot is smart. The option is always there.
This is an important when you consider definitions of "success" different from your own. When someone who defines success as "landing kills" decides to fly one of these planes its an added challenge because by doing so they reduced their chances of "success" as they define it.
They also have a convenient excuse for lack of 'success'. No excuse dying in a K4 but fly a 110? Then one can forever explain away one's suckage as a facet of inferior equipment. Usually it's the one's who regularly feel the need to point out that they fly inferior planes as fighters that are trying to cover something up.
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They also have a convenient excuse for lack of 'success'. No excuse dying in a K4 but fly a 110? Then one can forever explain away one's suckage as a facet of inferior equipment. Usually it's the one's who regularly feel the need to point out that they fly inferior planes as fighters that are trying to cover something up.
I grant that's a good argument and potentially true...except in my case I've never tried to hide my "suckage" or claim greatness no matter the plane I fly...and I fly uberish rides as well quite often.
That said, the inverse condition can also potentially be true i.e. flying a superior plane and constantly droning on about how uber one's ACM skills are while masking "suckage" with the superior performance characteristics of the plane. :aok
I can see scrum mode has been activated. Oh well...
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I am glad Skyyr is your FPH, we all have them.
I don't
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I grant that's a good argument and potentially true...except in my case I've never tried to hide my "suckage" or claim greatness no matter the plane I fly...and I fly uberish rides as well quite often.
That said, the inverse condition can also potentially be true i.e. flying a superior plane and constantly droning on about how uber one's ACM skills are while masking "suckage" with the superior performance characteristics of the plane. :aok
I can see scrum mode has been activated. Oh well...
Seems a little over dramatic, just chiming in with my couple of pennies. You have nothing to defend to me, if I meant the post to be accusing you I would have worded it as an accusation.
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I'm in the market for my new FPH my last one got PNGed then quit the game :bhead
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Seems a little over dramatic, just chiming in with my couple of pennies. You have nothing to defend to me, if I meant the post to be accusing you I would have worded it as an accusation.
Yes, mildly defensive with a pinch of insecurity.
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This the same Fulcrum that was with the Muppets previously?
:)
Yes, *coughing up vomit*
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:noid
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I love how he especially didn't become to active here on the Boards until he joined a squad of high caliber.
Which don't surprise me one bit since he didn't have the skill to be deemed a Muppet in the first place (mo) it was only fitting for him to resort to forum trolling which only resulted in his failure as seen in his previously above posting.
Just noticed batfink/and Ghost are the victims of his failed attempts that in itself made my night!! :aok :aok
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Shots fired .. :noid
I miss watching these shows, I've been gone far too long :old: :angel:
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Some things never change.
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I love how he especially didn't become to active here on the Boards until he joined a squad of high caliber.
Hi DrBone! (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/love.gif)
Some things never change.
Standard.
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Shida!!!
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I love how he especially didn't become to active here on the Boards until he joined a squad of high caliber.
Which don't surprise me one bit since he didn't have the skill to be deemed a Muppet in the first place (mo)
Actually sir, Fulcrum is the second person from AH to join our rebuilding effort, quite a few months back before we made any real noise.
It's been nothing but a pleasure to fight along side him and he fits our criteria very nicely. There are quite a few Muppets whose fight style/skill don't measure up to his. But that's my opinion, of course, being the person who recruited him into the squad I might be biased :)
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Actually sir, Fulcrum is the second person from AH to join our rebuilding effort, quite a few months back before we made any real noise.
It's been nothing but a pleasure to fight along side him and he fits our criteria very nicely. There are quite a few Muppets whose fight style/skill don't measure up to his. But that's my opinion, of course, being the person who recruited him into the squad I might be biased :)
Or you don't recognize skill or you don't have tough criteria. :aok
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Or you don't recognize skill or you don't have tough criteria. :aok
You are absolutely right, I'm sorry, I should totally ditch 20 years of online gaming experience, building several competitive online clans in different genres because my views aren't set in line with some of the veterans here.
Please sir, tell me how to judge skill, oh while you are it, tell me how to run my squad,I will be sure to let you know of any potential recruit so that you may provide your seal of approval.
Thanks I appreciate you taking the time to share your wisdom with me. :old:
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And all this caused by the 109. That plane sure can wreak havoc. :D
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:rofl
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You are absolutely right, I'm sorry, I should totally ditch 20 years of online gaming experience, building several competitive online clans in different genres because my views aren't set in line with some of the veterans here.
Please sir, tell me how to judge skill, oh while you are it, tell me how to run my squad,I will be sure to let you know of any potential recruit so that you may provide your seal of approval.
Thanks I appreciate you taking the time to share your wisdom with me. :old:
No. I will simply watch and enjoy the clown feet and red noses. ;) I love how you roll out your massive, toon resume....
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No. I will simply watch and enjoy the clown feet and red noses. ;) I love how you roll out your massive, toon resume....
We could always do some canyon battles again and compare squad mechanics there. I think the operative term used for the last time that happened was "immense fun" for everyone involved. Well, at least on our end of things. ;)
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We could always do some canyon battles again and compare squad mechanics there. I think the operative term used for the last time that happened was "immense fun" for everyone involved. Well, at least on our end of things. ;)
But, but, but...if we use your squad mechanics we'll all cllimb above the canyon rim, dive at 500 knots, shoot passing shots at one another and retreat quickly to squadmates, rinse and repeat. No, I think a nice custom arena 5 v 5 setting or whatever number you can muster would be much better. Co-alt merges, etc.
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We could always do some canyon battles again and compare squad mechanics there. I think the operative term used for the last time that happened was "immense fun" for everyone involved. Well, at least on our end of things. ;)
Accepted. We'll mirror you guys. The first side to actually fly away from their side of the canyon loses. Wink face.
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No. I will simply watch and enjoy the clown feet and red noses. ;) I love how you roll out your massive, toon resume....
You are not simply watching, you're driving the tiny car that everyone jumps out of.
I love how you start something but don't follow through, you called me on my judgement remember? My post was in reply to DrBone.
I had to roll out my 'massive' toon resume so I could tap you on the forehead with it a few times ('plap, plap, plap').
This isn't Kansas any more Dorothy, we aren't going away no matter how many times you click your heels together. (" Troll them out of my home, troll them out of my home")
You have been playing this game for a few years you peaked a long time ago, while we are still improving on a daily basis. It's only gonna get worse...
Forum posts and wishful thinking isn't gonna change that.
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I meant no disrespect towards any squads in particular only fulcrum.
Me personally I am glad the rest of you guys finally made the switch to AH it gives more targets in the MA! btw if you guys do set this up I would love to sit in or perhaps even join in on the fun? :)
edit: Shida how are you doing these days! :D
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Accepted. We'll mirror you guys. The first side to actually fly away from their side of the canyon loses. Wink face.
I don't think you were even there, we had a blast.
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I don't think you were even there, we had a blast.
You noticed my absence? I'm flattered. :)
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I would play if we did a squad duel
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I meant no disrespect towards any squads in particular only fulcrum.
Me personally I am glad the rest of you guys finally made the switch to AH it gives more targets in the MA! btw if you guys do set this up I would love to sit in or perhaps even join in on the fun? :)
edit: Shida how are you doing these days! :D
None taken sir just clearing up the facts
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You are not simply watching, you're driving the tiny car that everyone jumps out of.
I love how you start something but don't follow through, you called me on my judgement remember? My post was in reply to DrBone.
I had to roll out my 'massive' toon resume so I could tap you on the forehead with it a few times ('plap, plap, plap').
This isn't Kansas any more Dorothy, we aren't going away no matter how many times you click your heels together. (" Troll them out of my home, troll them out of my home")
You have been playing this game for a few years you peaked a long time ago, while we are still improving on a daily basis. It's only gonna get worse...
Forum posts and wishful thinking isn't gonna change that.
Ah, your assumption is wrong. I don't want you guys to go anywhere. I want you to stay. The hilarity is that you actually believe two things: 1. That your toon resume actually means something which here, it doesn't. 2. That I somehow owe you my definitions of skill simply because you asked for it.
Looky here little guy...just let us know when you'd like to show us your skilz. There's too much chit-chat from you about it.
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You noticed my absence? I'm flattered. :)
Oh I would have remembered because we would have had a lot more kills!
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simple solution guys!!!
Setup a squad duel and let me Ref the fight! :D
All Films will be posted in the Thread that will be made after the fights have taken place where discussions about the fights can occur if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact my Agent and co-producer(GhostCDB) of said films that are yet to take place.
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Hey quit trying to derail this thread with your silly 109 talk! Can't you all see there is a highly interesting and relevant purse fight discussion taking place, gawd!
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Oh I would have remembered because we would have had a lot more kills!
You count your kills in a canyon fight? Dorks.
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Ah, your assumption is wrong. I don't want you guys to go anywhere. I want you to stay. The hilarity is that you actually believe two things: 1. That your toon resume actually means something which here, it doesn't. 2. That I somehow owe you my definitions of skill simply because you asked for it.
Looky here little guy...just let us know when you'd like to show us your skilz. There's too much chit-chat from you about it.
You implied that I had no judgment when it comes to skill or criteria for my squad, I replied on where I got it from, and asked for your opinion so that you may better guide me with my future recruiting decisions.
You already gave me what I wanted, entertainment @work before I go out to lunch.
Come to think of it, you issued the last challenge but you weren't there either were you? Maybe I didn't notice you because you weren't much of a threat either...::shrugs::
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You count your kills in a canyon fight? Dorks.
We count all of our kills and losses sir, so that we may learn from them and improve! So yeah, we are dorks, sorry.
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You implied that I had no judgment when it comes to skill or criteria for my squad, I replied on where I got it from, and asked for your opinion so that you may better guide me with my future recruiting decisions.
You already gave me what I wanted, entertainment @work before I go out to lunch.
Come to think of it, you issued the last challenge but you weren't there either were you? Maybe I didn't notice you because you weren't much of a threat either...::shrugs::
I'll take that as a no.
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We count all of our kills and losses sir, so that we may learn from them and improve! So yeah, we are dorks, sorry.
Because numbers don't lie.
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We could always do some canyon battles again and compare squad mechanics there. I think the operative term used for the last time that happened was "immense fun" for everyone involved. Well, at least on our end of things. ;)
Take it as you will since you can't seem to be able to read
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I'll take that as a no.
I think you guys need to look at your shoes. I think they are damp to fully wet.
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Because numbers don't lie.
You're getting it!
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You have been playing this game for a few years you peaked a long time ago, while we are still improving on a daily basis. It's only gonna get worse...
A truer quote has not been posted. If anyone thinks it's bad now, they have no idea how much worse it's gonna get.
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You count your kills in a canyon fight? Dorks.
Well, there really wasn't a need to count them as the chat buffer was filled numerous with "Damned Member XXX has landed multiple victories" messages. Luckily, the chat buffer was unbiased and showed the win/loss ratio quite well.
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Well, there really wasn't a need to count them as the chat buffer was filled numerous with "Damned Member XXX has landed multiple victories" messages. Luckily, the chat buffer was unbiased and showed the win/loss ratio quite well.
Remember, we have abide by the standards set forth by them, for us to have fun means playing to their idea of fun, landing kills in DA is a no no, even if it was a competition between 2 squads, we wouldn't want to have any sort of way to tabulate who won, only so that the result is left open to biased interpretation. You should know better.
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Anywho, 109s yeah, the K4 is the best one, carry on..
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Shida!!!
Alright Geeza.
edit: Shida how are you doing these days! :D
Fine as frog's hair thank you.
Zack told me 109s smell of Knackwurst and leather shorts :old: (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/stirpot.gif)
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simple solution guys!!!
Setup a squad duel and let me Ref the fight! :D
All Films will be posted in the Thread that will be made after the fights have taken place where discussions about the fights can occur if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact my Agent and co-producer(GhostCDB) of said films that are yet to take place.
:rofl
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A truer quote has not been posted. If anyone thinks it's bad now, they have no idea how much worse it's gonna get.
The longer you play the game depending on how serious you take the game you get better. . .but some just get worst.
Like myself, I was at a prime years ago. Now I just suck and I ain't afraid to admit it. :banana:
It is more my aim than my ACM but we shall not discuss that. :confused:
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Well, there really wasn't a need to count them as the chat buffer was filled numerous with "Damned Member XXX has landed multiple victories" messages. Luckily, the chat buffer was unbiased and showed the win/loss ratio quite well.
So you didn't count them but the chat buffer displayed a win/loss ratio for you?
This was an informal DA canyon fight, yes?
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Take it as you will since you can't seem to be able to read
I believe you can't read. Skyrr said the canyons to which I made fun. I said a private arena. Learn the difference
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Remember, we have abide by the standards set forth by them, for us to have fun means playing to their idea of fun, landing kills in DA is a no no, even if it was a competition between 2 squads, we wouldn't want to have any sort of way to tabulate who won, only so that the result is left open to biased interpretation. You should know better.
I don't think there were any standards set forth.
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I don't think there were any standards set forth.
There will be this time. I'm sure a group merge in a 6 v 6 or however many will be a little different than their normal squad "mechanics"
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Every reply not on topic has been reported.
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Every reply not on topic has been reported.
These are ALL on topic...I'm certain Skyyr and Kruel will agree the topic at hand was the 109 and this little side dribble about a squad fight will be conducted in a 109 to test out which ones are better.
Now, all of us will have to keel you repeatedly for being a fun vacuum.
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Every reply not on topic has been reported.
:rofl
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I love the 109-1. You know the one with the bent wings.
I also enjoy the 109D11
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I want to fight everyone I have reported in the DA...
At the same time....
Sissys...
:noid
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There will be this time. I'm sure a group merge in a 6 v 6 or however many will be a little different than their normal squad "mechanics"
I'm definitely interested, I am running it by the rest of my squad, in the meantime, since you and Triton seem ready, maybe you can go 2v2 vs myself and Skyyr to warm up?
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I'm definitely interested, I am running it by the rest of my squad, in the meantime, since you and Triton seem ready, maybe you can go 2v2 vs myself and Skyyr to warm up?
I know some 109 mercs if your squaddies fail to locate their walnutz. Of course, we don't come cheap.
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I know some 109 mercs if your squaddies fail to locate their walnutz. Of course, we don't come cheap.
Lol, it would not be squad v squad then would it? I have offered to do 2v2 though.
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Muppets skill level has decreased a lot lately, The Damned have a good chance of a win. Now if some of the old Tator tossers come back (Suns, Grizz, Krup ect, ect, ect) then it's not going to be too fun for The Damned.
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You have been playing this game for a few years you peaked a long time ago, while we are still improving on a daily basis. It's only gonna get worse...
Forum posts and wishful thinking isn't gonna change that.
Funny thing about this game is it logs hours played.....So if you have played the same number of hours in one month then some of these guys who have played in the past year....you can't really use that as an argument.
Many, myself included, have been around for years but have also taken years off from the game......Oh and some of us have day jobs :)
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Lol, it would not be squad v squad then would it? I have offered to do 2v2 though.
Yes, yes you did...and I happen to agree with Junks. If the other 2 are Changeup and another...you may have a chance. Not sure who the other muppet in question here is...as I only half follow any of these dribble threads...but if it is Triton...well...from what I have seen from him...he'll be a handful for you...in the very least...a more than fair shot.
Good luck. Squad duels are always fun.
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I'm definitely interested, I am running it by the rest of my squad, in the meantime, since you and Triton seem ready, maybe you can go 2v2 vs myself and Skyyr to warm up?
Certainly....
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Yes, yes you did...and I happen to agree with Junks. If the other 2 are Changeup and another...you may have a chance. Not sure who the other muppet in question here is...as I only half follow any of these dribble threads...but if it is Triton...well...from what I have seen from him...he'll be a handful for you...in the very least...a more than fair shot.
Good luck. Squad duels are always fun.
So I'm assuming JG11 would like some action as well? While we're taking names and all that, we can certainly add you guys to the list. Let us know.
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Muppets skill level has decreased a lot lately, The Damned have a good chance of a win. Now if some of the old Tator tossers come back (Suns, Grizz, Krup ect, ect, ect) then it's not going to be too fun for The Damned.
As have you. But you and I don't need to wait on a 2 v 2.... We can just go anytime Junky. I'll expect a PM next time we're on together.
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So I'm assuming JG11 would like some action as well? While we're taking names and all that, we can certainly add you guys to the list. Let us know.
For your type of half empty unproven bbs dribble? No.
As a good natured learning experience for you and yours? For certain.
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Funny thing about this game is it logs hours played.....So if you have played the same number of hours in one month then some of these guys who have played in the past year....you can't really use that as an argument.
Many, myself included, have been around for years but have also taken years off from the game......Oh and some of us have day jobs :)
He doesn't have any idea when anyone has peaked. He doesn't know if anyone shades, what those shade names are, how they fly under those shades and how often they fly under those shades. I could have three accounts and fly three different styles and accumulate as much time as he does.
I'm lucky. My job causes me to travel therefore I'm in hotels a lot with a laptop....but do I fly every night? If I do, who am I and what particular style am I working on?
Pffft....
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For your type of half empty unproven bbs dribble? No.
As a good natured learning experience for you and yours? For certain.
Ah, the "we'll only play for fun so if we lose it won't count and our insults can't be used against us" approach.
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Top Gun owns all.
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Top Gun owns all.
Agreed, the movie does own all others.
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Muppets skill level has decreased a lot lately, The Damned have a good chance of a win. Now if some of the old Tator tossers come back (Suns, Grizz, Krup ect, ect, ect) then it's not going to be too fun for The Damned.
Violator alone is enough for Skyyr and Kruel, that is my own honest opinion.
Assuming we are still talking about 109 fights.
Although Latrobe has left the game, he is enough for Kruel and Skyyr as well.
Again all my personal opinion from having fought: Kruel, Skyyr, Violator, and Latrobe.
Now when you get Grizz and SunsFans involved, then it just isn't fair.
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:lol While I will agree if the old crew was still together like all things they come to an end.
We would be no match for anyone right now considering OUR squad is not taking this approach to the game anymore most of the guys just enjoy doing what we do best at least when were on together.
I would just like to say enough with the talks on the Boards and get some squad action going it would be a lot better if we have films for you guys to argue over! :D :D
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:lol While I will agree if the old crew was still together like all things they come to an end.
We would be no match for anyone right now considering OUR squad is not taking this approach to the game anymore most of the guys just enjoy doing what we do best at least when were on together.
I would just like to say enough with the talks on the Boards and get some squad action going it would be a lot better if we have films for you guys to argue over! :D :D
DrBone for president !
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Violator alone is enough for Skyyr and Kruel, that is my own honest opinion.
Assuming we are still talking about 109 fights.
Although Latrobe has left the game, he is enough for Kruel and Skyyr as well.
Again all my personal opinion from having fought: Kruel, Skyyr, Violator, and Latrobe.
Now when you get Grizz and SunsFans involved, then it just isn't fair.
Last 10 or so times I've run into Violator, he's died. Same for Grizz. In fact, last time I saw Grizz, he died about 5 times in 20 minutes. It actually became a running joke for awhile.
Kappa's the one guy I actually respect skill-wise.
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I'm definitely interested, I am running it by the rest of my squad, in the meantime, since you and Triton seem ready, maybe you can go 2v2 vs myself and Skyyr to warm up?
I'm easily reached. :aok
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Ah, the "we'll only play for fun so if we lose it won't count and our insults can't be used against us" approach.
No...you missed again.
'Insults' are not part of how I play a game. I have no reason to insult you...and you have none me. Humility in victory...while I understand it is lost on one of your age...you will appreciate it when it is visited upon you.
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Last 10 or so times I've run into Violator, he's died. Same for Grizz. In fact, last time I saw Grizz, he died about 5 times in 20 minutes. It actually became a running joke for awhile.
Kappa's the one guy I actually respect skill-wise.
:rofl
I don't even know why I bother with certain people.
You should participate in a few KOTH events.
:rolleyes:
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The more I read into these threads the more an more I see you guys are trying to make a name for yourself in AH and continuously building a list of names of people who you deem worthy of skill and plastering video after video of you killing these players as if it proves something if you honestly think this way you are sadly mistaken. I am all for the whole advertisement but don't use the videos and an example of skill.
Just to let you know you guys have a very long list of players to go through if you are trying to prove something. :rolleyes:
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:rofl
I don't even know why I bother with certain people.
You should participate in a few KOTH events.
:rolleyes:
As host it would require me to be far more active in enforcing the 30 second extension rule so maybe best if they don't.
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Some things never change.
killn! Are you flying or off underwater some place?
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He doesn't have any idea when anyone has peaked. He doesn't know if anyone shades, what those shade names are, how they fly under those shades and how often they fly under those shades. I could have three accounts and fly three different styles and accumulate as much time as he does.
I'm lucky. My job causes me to travel therefore I'm in hotels a lot with a laptop....but do I fly every night? If I do, who am I and what particular style am I working on?
Pffft....
Oooooooh shades, :: shudders:: changing names increases aim,
Nullifies hundreds of hours of acm habits and decision making skills. Eventually we all reach a point where we peak, some higher than others, so what day and time do you want to do this 2v2?
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As host it would require me to be far more active in enforcing the 30 second extension rule so maybe best if they don't.
:rofl
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Oooooooh shades, :: shudders:: changing names increases aim,
Nullifies hundreds of hours of acm habits and decision making skills. Eventually we all reach a point where we peak, some higher than others, so what day and time do you want to do this 2v2?
Hehe....there might be others in my household that fly too, lmao.
Triton?? What night is good for joo??
Edit: shhhhhh, don't tell Kruel about shooting at ack and runners affects hit % in fighters, lol
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Any day that ends in Y is good for me. :cheers:
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As have you. But you and I don't need to wait on a 2 v 2.... We can just go anytime Junky. I'll expect a PM next time we're on together.
Sooooo you want to DA me now? I'm just stating facts bruh....Changeup, Peppr, and Bear aren't on the same playing field as Grizz, Suns and Krup.
But if you want to "come at me bra" we can handle this like gentlemen...your really not worth the PM so if you want to go just bring it up in the MA, im your huckleberry
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Hehe....there might be others in my household that fly too, lmao.
Triton?? What night is good for joo??
Edit: shhhhhh, don't tell Kruel about shooting at ack and runners affects hit % in fighters, lol
Well, then we aren't talking about you behind a shade are we? Having someone else fight your fight for you?
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Well, then we aren't talking about you behind a shade are we? Having someone else fight your fight for you?
You aren't following very well Kruel but that's ok. I won't help you anymore. Well have lotsa time to discuss things afterwords
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Sooooo you want to DA me now? I'm just stating facts bruh....Changeup, Peppr, and Bear aren't on the same playing field as Grizz, Suns and Krup.
But if you want to "come at me bra" we can handle this like gentlemen...your really not worth the PM so if you want to go just bring it up in the MA, im your huckleberry
Hey there big boyeee, I'm just tellin ya I'm here for ya in all of your wisdom. I never said anything about comparing any of us to them...you did. But since I'm not worth the PM, I guess I hear ya, lol
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You aren't following very well Kruel but that's ok. I won't help you anymore. Well have lotsa time to discuss things afterwords
Rofl first you talk about you flying shades then other people in your house that fly? Are you implying that you both fly as a different in-game persona then allow someone to fly under your primary name(which represents your squad) to make yourself seem..worse? :headscratch:
Ok, sure..so you guys are available any day?
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Rofl first you talk about you flying shades then other people in your house that fly? Are you implying that you both fly as a different in-game persona then allow someone to fly under your primary name(which represents your squad) to make yourself seem..worse? :headscratch:
Ok, sure..so you guys are available any day?
Ohhhhh the stupid!!!! How it must hurt!!! Lol
Any day but tonight. I just boarded a flight to Dallas so I may not be on until 10ish if at all
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This the same Fulcrum that was with the Muppets previously?
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YOU sir have gone too far! :mad: :mad: Pistols at dawn!
We've been known to go retard from time to time.. Drdeath was even in the squad once for a few hours.. Badboy too with one of his shades.. Only we knew about badboy and just wanted to troll him with DA smack down and kick him.. :angel:
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Last 10 or so times I've run into Violator, he's died. Same for Grizz. In fact, last time I saw Grizz, he died about 5 times in 20 minutes. It actually became a running joke for awhile.
Kappa's the one guy I actually respect skill-wise.
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I'm not sure you know exactly how good Violator and Grizz are do you? :headscratch:
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I'm not sure you know exactly how good Violator and Grizz are do you? :headscratch:
Skyyr is a very educated person, so I can't say maybe he is slow. . .so I am just going to go with
he doesn't know that they are good pilots/good shots.
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Latrobe. I love you! I want you! I need you!
I need you to want to love me!
Ill be waiting in the MA for you until the end of time!
Oops
I missed
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All this chest thumping and transparent trolling is really getting nowhere.
Take it to the only place that can make clear what little sense these disputes have to offer, the DA.
Everything else is just two dogs barking at each other through a six foot garden fence.
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.. Badboy too with one of his shades.. Only we knew about badboy and just wanted to troll him with DA smack down and kick him.. :angel:
Good thing you "knew" it was him and you didn't treat a new player like that. Never saw that "shade" in the game again?
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Rofl first you talk about you flying shades then other people in your house that fly? Are you implying that you both fly as a different in-game persona then allow someone to fly under your primary name(which represents your squad) to make yourself seem..worse? :headscratch:
Ok, sure..so you guys are available any day?
TC you need to implement a more difficult test to become a member of The Damned. This "latest crop" is an embarrassment.
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Rofl first you talk about you flying shades then other people in your house that fly? Are you implying that you both fly as a different in-game persona then allow someone to fly under your primary name(which represents your squad) to make yourself seem..worse? :headscratch:
Ok, sure..so you guys are available any day?
....or perhaps hes implying that he lets his kids fly once in a while (like many in here) because they are interested in the game.....
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TC you need to implement a more difficult test to become a member of The Damned. This "latest crop" is an embarrassment.
We have been Damned for 10 years bud, while we do have a different philosophy, TC already knows where we are coming from and where we want to take the squad. Sorry if you don't agree.
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....or perhaps hes implying that he lets his kids fly once in a while (like many in here) because they are interested in the game.....
But he also mentions that he might be using Shades ect ect..anyways its pretty irrelevant.
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We have been Damned for 10 years bud, while we do have a different philosophy, TC already knows where we are coming from and where we want to take the squad. Sorry if you don't agree.
So you're admitting to be flying under shades, but mad at Changeup? Irony at it's finest.
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The night I popped in to the DA and the Muppets were playing around at some field and the several Damned on at the time were playing around at another........
I asked ChangeUp, Violator, Bear?, Peppr? and other Muppets as well as members of my squad who were in there, if they all would like to go play in the canyons...
it wasn't a contest, it wasn't a competition, nor a lets see who is the better squad..... no score was being kept, seriously....not by my squad as a whole........... but individuals will always have their own things they do, that is why people always say hey its my $15.00and I play the way I want ( <--- not that I completely agree with that particular statement, just throwing it out there )
IT WAS FOR FUN! AND NOTHING MORE!
it just didn't turnout the way ChangeUp or myself thought it would...... I myself enjoyed all the different dogfights I had that night........
As for the seemingly continuously situation of where 1 or 2 Members of one squad start jabbing back and forth with 1 or 2 members of another squad on these boards..... I most times either sit back and shake my head or other times crack up laughing at the hilariousness of it all......
As for one member in my squad, who was a former member of another squad...... I was under the impression that at the request of both squads the issue was a dead subject and both sides agreed to move on.....
If anyone has a problem regarding any members of my squad, personally, then I can only say that that is between you and that particular member of my squad...
and I can assure all of you, if any Damned member came to any special event, They each would follow the rules each event requires be followed...... no need to make posts talking about being more active on certain rules if certain Damned members come to participate in any certain Special events....
Now let me ask you this? Do you want the Damned Squadron to dry up and disappear like so many other squads have done in the recent past years? Or Would you rather the Damned Squadron grow and offer all of you more targets to fight in the skies of Aces High?
Also, as Kruel has stated, Kruel was already Damned before coming to Aces High, as well as Fess, Skyyr, and other recently new AH members that are in the Damned squadron now, but we still have older longtime Aces high members that have been here in the Damned since we all came from Air Warrior or WarBirds............ our newer AH Members just getting here late because Fighter Ace lasted as long as it did, in which I was the Damned Member that took the Damned to Fighter Ace originally back in the 90's......
oh, I was once a member of Top Gun as well, here in Aces High as VlPER and as Viper....... ( Thank You DrBone, Joachim and TnDep and other TG members back then for the short time I was there, I had fun <S> )
Hope all of you have a blessed and safe weekend <S>
TC
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Back on Original Thread topic:
I really do like flying the 109F4, but I never been any good shooting with fighter planes that have center hub firing guns or nose mounted guns............. so more often then not would opt for the Bf109-G2 using the Gondolas, I don't mind the extra weight and find the wing mounted gondolas to be worth the additional weight because I am able to hit my target better with the wing mounted guns......
Although, I truly would rather opt for an F4U-1 birdcage HOG if I had the choice......... although I do not like to fly the German planes much and hardly choose to fly them, it does not bother me to fly any plane I am assigned and I find that although I do not like flying german planes that much, I do seem to get a lot of round wins in these differing german planes throughout all the years of participating in KOTH........
Cheers
TC
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oh, I was once a member of Top Gun as well, here in Aces High as VlPER and as Viper....... ( Thank You DrBone, Joachim and TnDep and other TG members back then for the short time I was there, I had fun <S> )
Hope all of you have a blessed and safe weekend <S>
TC
:salute I hope the same for you brother :cheers:
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But he also mentions that he might be using Shades ect ect..anyways its pretty irrelevant.
Kind of like you guys....
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So you're admitting to be flying under shades, but mad at Changeup? Irony at it's finest.
No I said we have been Damned for 10 years, we just came to THIS game in Nov.
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Kind of like you guys....
Heh, I can guarantee you that none of the old FA guys are shades..Skyyr and myself came here in November. BeeLowk and Fess were already here.
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Heh, I can guarantee you that none of the old FA guys are shades..Skyyr and myself came here in November. BeeLowk and Fess were already here.
I doubt that's who he was talking about. :eek:
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Heh, I can guarantee you that none of the old FA guys are shades..Skyyr and myself came here in November. BeeLowk and Fess were already here.
So you're saying no one in the Damned has a shade? TC, you best help the boy out here before this goes the wrong direction...
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The night I popped in to the DA and the Muppets were playing around at some field and the several Damned on at the time were playing around at another........
I asked ChangeUp, Violator, Bear?, Peppr? and other Muppets as well as members of my squad who were in there, if they all would like to go play in the canyons...
it wasn't a contest, it wasn't a competition, nor a lets see who is the better squad..... no score was being kept, seriously....not by my squad as a whole........... but individuals will always have their own things they do, that is why people always say hey its my $15.00and I play the way I want ( <--- not that I completely agree with that particular statement, just throwing it out there )
IT WAS FOR FUN! AND NOTHING MORE!
it just didn't turnout the way ChangeUp or myself thought it would...... I myself enjoyed all the different dogfights I had that night........
As for the seemingly continuously situation of where 1 or 2 Members of one squad start jabbing back and forth with 1 or 2 members of another squad on these boards..... I most times either sit back and shake my head or other times crack up laughing at the hilariousness of it all......
As for one member in my squad, who was a former member of another squad...... I was under the impression that at the request of both squads the issue was a dead subject and both sides agreed to move on.....
If anyone has a problem regarding any members of my squad, personally, then I can only say that that is between you and that particular member of my squad...
and I can assure all of you, if any Damned member came to any special event, They each would follow the rules each event requires be followed...... no need to make posts talking about being more active on certain rules if certain Damned members come to participate in any certain Special events....
Now let me ask you this? Do you want the Damned Squadron to dry up and disappear like so many other squads have done in the recent past years? Or Would you rather the Damned Squadron grow and offer all of you more targets to fight in the skies of Aces High?
Also, as Kruel has stated, Kruel was already Damned before coming to Aces High, as well as Fess, Skyyr, and other recently new AH members that are in the Damned squadron now, but we still have older longtime Aces high members that have been here in the Damned since we all came from Air Warrior or WarBirds............ our newer AH Members just getting here late because Fighter Ace lasted as long as it did, in which I was the Damned Member that took the Damned to Fighter Ace originally back in the 90's......
oh, I was once a member of Top Gun as well, here in Aces High as VlPER and as Viper....... ( Thank You DrBone, Joachim and TnDep and other TG members back then for the short time I was there, I had fun <S> )
Hope all of you have a blessed and safe weekend <S>
TC
Ahhh... context. And we didn't even need film. <S>
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oh, I was once a member of Top Gun as well, here in Aces High as VlPER and as Viper....... ( Thank You DrBone, Joachim and TnDep and other TG members back then for the short time I was there, I had fun <S> )
Hope all of you have a blessed and safe weekend <S>
TC
They were the good days way back then! will never forget those memories most of us shared back then.
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So you're saying no one in the Damned has a shade? TC, you best help the boy out here before this goes the wrong direction...
Let me repeat, none of the old FA guys are shades, if they have other shades that's on them, quite frankly I couldn't care less about shades, personally, I don't have one.
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Last 10 or so times I've run into Violator, he's died. Same for Grizz. In fact, last time I saw Grizz, he died about 5 times in 20 minutes. It actually became a running joke for awhile.
:rolleyes: and this says it all.... knowing both of those guys would completely dismember you ... yet you come in here and imply that you "beat" them... what was it, they were fighting the horde you were in? be honest, because I have dueled all three of you and I already know the answer... :aok
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Let me repeat, none of the old FA guys are shades, if they have other shades that's on them, quite frankly I couldn't care less about shades, personally, I don't have one.
See, I have this really old DA buddy who is knocking rust off right now. He happened upon an ex-squaddie of yours that he happens to like for reasons unbeknownst to me. They visited in the DA. News flash, Skyyrs got a shade and Batmannn....well, let's just say he's in two squads right now and only one squad knows he's in both.
Feel free to claim the "jilted-lover" rule but this guy has no skin in the game and the ex-squaddie of yours? Let's just say if my old buddie likes him, he's probably an ok guy. Misguided right now but ok.
Btw, there are several ex-FAers that agree with this based on ACM fingerprints you've already alluded to knowing names names without naming names. Deny all you want but it will do little to change the facts.
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See, I have this really old DA buddy who is knocking rust off right now. He happened upon an ex-squaddie of yours that he happens to like for reasons unbeknownst to me. They visited in the DA. News flash, Skyyrs got a shade and Batmannn....well, let's just say he's in two squads right now and only one squad knows he's in both.
Just for the record, unless skyyr has "3" accounts, most already know of Shadow ( his former FA name and also AH secondary gameid )
as for iamknight ( or iamtheknight ) gameid BATMANNN, I was on the boards the day this forum member registered and had already warned my squad old & new members in Aces high, that we would have wolves in sheeps clothing amongst us, long before batmannn ever became a recent member.....
I am pretty sure kruel and skyyr, along with several others can recall those pm's and phone calls.... so to me personally, this is nothing I did not already know about......but I really could care less as long as we all are having fun when playing together online, that is all I am here for, to have fun......
cheers
TC
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Just for the record, unless skyyr has "3" accounts, most already know of Shadow ( his former FA name and also AH secondary gameid )
as for iamknight ( or iamtheknight ) gameid BATMANNN, I was on the boards the day this forum member registered and had already warned my squad old & new members in Aces high, that we would have wolves in sheeps clothing amongst us, long before batmannn ever became a recent member.....
I am pretty sure kruel and skyyr, along with several others can recall those pm's and phone calls.... so to me personally, this is nothing I did not already know about......but I really could care less as long as we all are having fun when playing together online, that is all I am here for, to have fun......
cheers
TC
TC,
But you knew about Batmannn so that just firms up the information. Thank you for being honest. The question is if he other squad knows as much as The Damned. I know some of the guys in that squad and my bet is they don't but maybe they don't care either. Just refuting the claim to no shades. Personally, I don't care who Batmannn is as shading is a part of the game. Most have done it one time or another including you and I. It goes to credibility and lack of it goes a long, long way. I actually have a lot more respect for the ex-Damned member now than I did 4 hours ago because it sounds like he actually cares about getting better and is beginning to STOP caring about such things as score.
It is about fun, no doubt. We will continue to have fun but now we'll have fun in a tiny bit clearer environment. Not that it matters.
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ChangeUp,
I only knew that BATMANNN , lets see, that he had been around and played under another name ( no I don't know the exact gameid ), and I "ASSUMED" he was probably from another squad
although, as far as I know, no one in my squad has ever asked or questioned him about his past, any information any of the Damned Members might have ( that I don't have ) was given to them by this person's own disgression....
as for the former ex-Damned member you are talking about..... I am pretty sure I know who you are talking about, and I wish him the best, and I gladly offer him any help I can , if he would like to work on things together.......
unlike most of the people who use shades, I have always told people / friends/squadmates who I actually was on each occurance, as well as other Trainers and CM staff members, etc....
I never used a Shade account to piss anyone off or be a griefer... I know a lot has been brought up in the past about me and my different shade accounts, but if I was like certain people had claimed I was, why would I post all my different old shade gameid's and usernames.....
when I was Viper, I did not try to join top gun without first telling them who I actually was, I never hid anything from anyone best I can recollect.....
some though ( most really ), are not like me, in that aspect... I would rather be hated for who I am and being honest, than to be loved for who I am not and being a liar <--- hope I typed that in a way everyone can understand it
Cheers & <S> Changeup,
TC
edit for below posted reply: oops, my bad skyyr, I was actually thinking of the AH message boards username and crossed it up with AH in game gameid's ....... that is what I actually meant by that , my fault for the confusion :old:
( but don't forget back at first you did try to find a way to use shadow , was something like DnShadow or DmShadow, for a gameid, although you did not like it or how it looked and canceled/gave it up... unless I am thinking of another Damned squad member, it's hell getting old and trying to remember things at times )
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I only have one callsign I fly under and that's "Skyyr." I've used that callsign since coming here in November/December of last year.
Consequently, I'm not "Shadow." I did try to gain that name when I came here, as my FA callsign was "Shadow" (as well as _Shadow_), but that name has been in use for quote some time by another player.
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Ah...Shades. A horrible, terrible crime committed by the lowest scum of the community. Why do the individuals do such things?!?!
Maybe the "Bad Boys of Company B" could help us trying to figure that question out? :lol
I fly as Fulcrum now. I don't bother with shades anymore. In the past I did so mainly to avoid certain individuals who (continue) to do their best to ruin my enjoyment...but now I have a new way of doing so...I mute them.
For the record, I'm not nor have I ever been Midway, Vraciu, or Arbiter. I have been other names but those were not shades as I was very honest and open about the changes (AKFulcrm, AKBandit, Hoplite).
I do have another account. It's my son's. He flies sometimes. Sorry,no need to know the name....to be bloody honest I do not trust some to leave him alone because certain individuals HAVE PMed him or said nasty things a 14 year old doesn't need to hear.
As for the rest:
I have always found it curious why some feel the need to go overboard on condemning the whole shade thing. It's also odd how most who do go ape over the idea of a shade are also the most abusive members of the community. I guess they don't like the idea of their "targets" trying to avoid them....
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I only have one callsign I fly under and that's "Skyyr." I've used that callsign since coming here in November/December of last year.
Consequently, I'm not "Shadow." I did try to gain that name when I came here, as my FA callsign was "Shadow" (as well as _Shadow_), but that name has been in use for quote some time by another player.
Cool story, but get it right. You came to Aces High on November 21, 2013.
Years from now that'll be like AH Christmas or something.
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ChangeUp,
I only knew that BATMANNN , lets see, that he had been around and played under another name ( no I don't know the exact gameid ), and I "ASSUMED" he was probably from another squad
although, as far as I know, no one in my squad has ever asked or questioned him about his past, any information any of the Damned Members might have ( that I don't have ) was given to them by this person's own disgression....
as for the former ex-Damned member you are talking about..... I am pretty sure I know who you are talking about, and I wish him the best, and I gladly offer him any help I can , if he would like to work on things together.......
unlike most of the people who use shades, I have always told people / friends/squadmates who I actually was on each occurance, as well as other Trainers and CM staff members, etc....
I never used a Shade account to piss anyone off or be a griefer... I know a lot has been brought up in the past about me and my different shade accounts, but if I was like certain people had claimed I was, why would I post all my different old shade gameid's and usernames.....
when I was Viper, I did not try to join top gun without first telling them who I actually was, I never hid anything from anyone best I can recollect.....
some though ( most really ), are not like me, in that aspect... I would rather be hated for who I am and being honest, than to be loved for who I am not and being a liar <--- hope I typed that in a way everyone can understand it
Cheers & <S> Changeup,
TC
edit for below posted reply: oops, my bad skyyr, I was actually thinking of the AH message boards username and crossed it up with AH in game gameid's ....... that is what I actually meant by that , my fault for the confusion :old:
( but don't forget back at first you did try to find a way to use shadow , was something like DnShadow or DmShadow, for a gameid, although you did not like it or how it looked and canceled/gave it up... unless I am thinking of another Damned squad member, it's hell getting old and trying to remember things at times )
I'll take the bait.
Somehow you flew with him in Top Gun...lol.
TC, its cool man. I have no beef, really. Just an inbox full of PM's from the guy wanting to join in AGAINST you guys in a squad duel AFTER he said "let them alone and they can keep thinking theyre great."
So I guess possible troll smashed or...well, you know the rest.
Good stuff though. You fellers almost had me. :salute
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A truer quote has not been posted. If anyone thinks it's bad now, they have no idea how much worse it's gonna get.
Yes, the dweebery tends to multiply exponentially. Like bacteria. You folks are funnies.
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Bring the 109G10 back .
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They were the good days way back then! will never forget those memories most of us shared back then.
Topgun was alot of fun with some really good sticks to learn from....Bone...Redbull...Joac him....Dep.....Sonic...etc..e tc.. :salute
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Bring the 109G10 back .
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Anyone remember Yawz?
He was the one who got me into 109s a long time ago. He was a beast in that G10. I was about to make the 109f my favorite plane and then all the sudden they took off the gondies :( I know it's because they didn't have them in real life.
I won't say anything about the damned squad but I think the newer guys have a lot to Learn. Skyrr you say you kill me a lot. Which grannit you have killed me a few times in the MA. But still dude, anyone can kill me when I'm low n slow n a turn fight on the deck. Anyone can simply pick me in a fight. It happens to everyone and infact I just like to get down and dirty so most of the time I do die. Funny how I still have a 3,2 k/d and I land like 20% of my sorties.
The thing is... The only planes you know are the 190d and the 152, and hardly the k4. I know how to be good in almost any plane in AH. You have minimal 1v1 fighting experience in the DA. I don't choose to fly easy mode planes where I can run because that's boring to me now. I've played for score. I've played to live, and I've played way too much AH in my time, considering i've been back a year after a 4 year college deal.
I play to have fun and shoot down as many people as I can. And do it quickly.
If many of the old AOM still played, There would be no chance for you guys.
While that canyon duel was a lot of fun, that was not a true representation of how our squad fights. Consideringg we were missing quite a few members. Not to mention, there were no organized take offs and we all flew the plane of choice. Also, I think fighting in the canyon is stupid. It too easy to get trapped in the pits for an easy pick.
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Last 10 or so times I've run into Violator, he's died. Same for Grizz. In fact, last time I saw Grizz, he died about 5 times in 20 minutes. It actually became a running joke for awhile.
Kappa's the one guy I actually respect skill-wise.
Films or this didn't happen.
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All is read in this was.... waaaahhhhhhhhhhhh 109F wahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa wahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaa
When you girls are done crying about a little booboo..... Come here daddy will kiss it and make it all better.
Where is a fight and not a wall o text about a fight?
5 vs 1 is not fair to the 5 of you guys.... bring more friends and lunch because your arse is my playground!
Sissys... :noid
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All is read in this was.... waaaahhhhhhhhhhhh 109F wahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa wahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaa
When you girls are done crying about a little booboo..... Come here daddy will kiss it and make it all better.
Where is a fight and not a wall o text about a fight?
5 vs 1 is not fair to the 5 of you guys.... bring more friends and lunch because your arse is my playground!
Sissys... :noid
:rofl
:noid
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To everyone in this thread... everyone?... every(last damn)one in this thread... <Middlefinger> :devil
Your good is better & your better is great.
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109. You don't even know.
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To everyone in this thread... everyone?... every(last damn)one in this thread... <Middlefinger> :devil
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2f4de4a36bcd25e11d06010fd7322221/tumblr_n18a03gNTI1rk2xpdo5_400.gif)
:lol
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Such a purse fight right now it's unreal...
Anyhow...109f4 best 109 ingame.
I take on anyone who denies it
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No purse fight with Deadstik...that was a joke, dude.
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Such a purse fight right now it's unreal...
Anyhow...109f4 best 109 ingame.
I take on anyone who denies it
your on dick face
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that was meant to be funny
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Hey look a discussion among aces high 109 pilots, and it's turning out just as we all expected it would! :D
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No purse fight with Deadstik...that was a joke, dude.
I have a purse... and want to fight... Because that color of lipstick is MINE!
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I don't know who she thinks she anyways going out in public dressed like that...
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your on dick face
Your on dick nose
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I see a few PNGs coming in the near future... :uhoh :bolt:
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that was meant to be funny
:) I know :rofl
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I have a purse... and want to fight... Because that color of lipstick is MINE!
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I don't know who she thinks she anyways going out in public dressed like that...
You can have the lipstick. Pink isn't a good color for me. It doesn't go with my eyes or pump heels. :lol :D
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should we discuss the difference between 'your' and 'you're' now? :devil
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should we discuss the difference between 'your' and 'you're' now? :devil
Well my completely trashed hammared no good drunk brain likes to think grammar dont matter.
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Im a bit late, but to answer the opening question:
the D9 :aok
Seriously speaking, all the 109s are the same, perfect for knife fighting. Except the E4, that plane sucks.
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:bhead D9
LoL
And I agree the Emil is the worse plane next to the Fredrick.
Edited for cussing.
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:bhead Dorapotato
LoL
:lol
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You are absolutely right, I'm sorry, I should totally ditch 20 years of online gaming experience, building several competitive online clans in different genres because my views aren't set in line with some of the veterans here.
Please sir, tell me how to judge skill, oh while you are it, tell me how to run my squad,I will be sure to let you know of any potential recruit so that you may provide your seal of approval.
Thanks I appreciate you taking the time to share your wisdom with me. :old:
Is "The Damned" your squad? I thought TC was the CO and ran it. In all seriousness, is it your squad now sir ?
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Is "The Damned" your squad? I thought TC was the CO and ran it. In all seriousness, is it your squad now sir ?
Yes...I too thought the CO was TC...this is interesting news..... :old:
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Yes...I too thought the CO was TC...this is interesting news..... :old:
Hens coming home to roost....
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Hens coming home to roost....
Yes. You must be a proud rooster to have fathered so many chicks....
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Yes. You must be a proud rooster to have fathered so many chicks....
That obviously sounded a lot better in your head. Your new home is a perfect fit. lol.
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That obviously sounded a lot better in your head. Your new home is a perfect fit. lol.
As is your current one....but not for the reasons you imagine.
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As is your current one....but not for the reasons you imagine.
I don't imagine any Fulcrum. Stop being the jilted lover...the routine is weak and old. It didn't work out. You left. We were glad. Done.
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Is "The Damned" your squad? I thought TC was the CO and ran it. In all seriousness, is it your squad now sir ?
Its my Squad its TC's squad its Skyyrs squad its Fulcrum's squad..Don't try and twist it into something its not, TC gave Skyyr and myself the ability to invite/remote players from the squad.
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I just looked it up, only says TC for squad CO :aok
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A couple more thoughts for the awesome ones
-K/D is for pussies (in Duke Nukem's voice). Just get there, fight, get the most out of your plane by using every part of it to the limits, win or lose, dafuq cares. Easy kills? meh...
-egos... man, i thought i had the biggest fricken ego in this game. I was wrong! The funny thing is, that one has the biggest one who's flying is the most miserable of all. Seriously... nope, i cannot be serious on this. Laughing right at your face instead!
-i have killed you more than you have killed me... again, when it was only me and you, you did not last 3 turns. So you had a kill when i was having fun with an other pilot and did not care about your fishing attempt? Why on earth should i even give a damn about it? And youre bringing it up again and again and again... hilarious. Another way to boost your ego via the stats and spoof your suckage. Great stuff, really.
-One really mighty general have sold his best BBS-warrior's back to his arch-enemy... that ominose arch-enemy happens to be in my squadron. Dont you think that it is the lowest of the low? Any thoughts?
-We will never fly your way because it happens to be super boring for us. Please stop repeating that we suck because of this. If we would decide to fly your way, we would have the same K/D, stats or anything (see Grizz's 99 kill sortie...), yet every time you have tried to fight our way, you died in 3 turns. Go, do your business, just leave us alone with the crap-throwing egoism that leads to a 15 pages purse fight in a thread what was meant to be a discussion about Bf-109 sub-types.
Exuse me for this wall of text. Salutes.
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Damn, if only I could sit at the cool kids table. :frown:
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Which 109 do you prefer for knife fighting in a phone booth?
As much as I love the Emil, the 109F would be the one I love most for knife fighting.
It's got the power and handling to make it a joy to fly, even not in combat.
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As much as I love the Emil, the 109F would be the one I love most for knife fighting.
It's got the power and handling to make it a joy to fly, even not in combat.
Screw the Emil... Screw the Fredrick.... In fact Screw YOU!
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I now really, really, really like 109G2's. :D
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Damn, if only I could sit at the cool kids table. :frown:
If you were able to you likely would never have played AH.
Methinks none of us can be considered "cool"....more like "nerds", "dweebs" or "dorks".
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If you were able to you likely would never have played AH.
Methinks none of us can be considered "cool"....more like "nerds", "dweebs" or "dorks".
and sometimes "Drunk foolish idiots" as was my case in another thread last night..... wish that dang time limit on modifying a post never timed out, I would be deleting everything I posted last night while boozed up.... but it's there now so take it as an example of what not to do when you are way past your clear thinking limit while chugging down the evil spirits ( whiskey,etc )
<shakes head>
TC
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and sometimes "Drunk foolish idiots" as was my case in another thread last night..... wish that dang time limit on modifying a post never timed out, I would be deleting everything I posted last night while boozed up.... but it's there now so take it as an example of what not to do when you are way past your clear thinking limit while chugging down the evil spirits ( whiskey,etc )
<shakes head>
TC
:)
Stuff happens, TC....stuff happens.
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Methinks none of us can be considered "cool"....more like "nerds", "dweebs" or "dorks".
Ya think? :D
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If you were able to you likely would never have played AH.
Methinks none of us can be considered "cool"....more like "nerds", "dweebs" or "dorks".
Swing and a miss...
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I now really, really, really like 109G2's. :D
:aok
G2s are great planes, regular pilots of them aren't afraid to take on anyone and anything even outnumbered, it has a decent balance of Engine and Agility for the MA that gives a player a confidence and enjoyment of flight and fighting .
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:aok
G2s are great planes, regular pilots of them aren't afraid to take on anyone and anything even outnumbered, it has a decent balance of Engine and Agility for the MA that gives a player a confidence and enjoyment of flight and fighting .
I agree. I like it even more than the F4 (which I like a lot)...but only because of the gondolas option.
I tend to take gondolas despite the hit to agility, climb and speed. The extra firepower is worth it to me because I'm a lousy shot. :frown:
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I agree. I like it even more than the F4 (which I like a lot)...but only because of the gondolas option.
I tend to take gondolas despite the hit to agility, climb and speed. The extra firepower is worth it to me because I'm a lousy shot. :frown:
Despite the popular opinion, I don't think Gondies really effect the planes performance all the much. IMO it's more important to be able to kill opponents fatser by shooting them more, rather than have a slightly lighter plane, yet have weaker fire power and have to chase them aeouns longer, when they could have have been dead already.
That being said, I think you can still get the same amount of kills with either load out. But IMHO using only 1 cannon allows you to get picked easier having to chase planes around longer.
It really doesn't effect performance as badly as some would like to believe.
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Despite the popular opinion, I don't think Gondies really effect the planes performance all the much. IMO it's more important to be able to kill opponents fatser by shooting them more, rather than have a slightly lighter plane, yet have weaker fire power and have to chase them aeouns longer, when they could have have been dead already.
That being said, I think you can still get the same amount of kills with either load out. But IMHO using only 1 cannon allows you to get picked easier having to chase planes around longer.
It really doesn't effect performance as badly as some would like to believe.
Gondolas are ugly looking! :neener:
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If you were able to you likely would never have played AH.
Methinks none of us can be considered "cool"....more like "nerds", "dweebs" or "dorks".
thats a negative ghost rider.
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It really doesn't effect performance as badly as some would like to believe.
My experience as well...at least in the G2. The G6 feels sluggish to me normally...throw two gondees on her and its worse (at least to me). YMMV
Gondolas are ugly looking! :neener:
They are indeedy. :)
thats a negative ghost rider.
We fly cartoon airplanes.
I rest my case.
Acceptance is the first step to recovery....assuming you would want to do so...I don't!! :D
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Swing and a miss...
Accept your "inner geek", Deb. It's OK. I got over it years ago!
Its like drug abuse...if you keep it secret no one has to know! ;)
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Gondolas are ugly looking! :neener:
Haha, I was about to put your name in parentheses at the end of my paragraph haha
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REAL MEN fly the Hurricane Mk1 anyways.... sissys.
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Despite the popular opinion, I don't think Gondies really effect the planes performance all the much. IMO it's more important to be able to kill opponents fatser by shooting them more, rather than have a slightly lighter plane, yet have weaker fire power and have to chase them aeouns longer, when they could have have been dead already.
That being said, I think you can still get the same amount of kills with either load out. But IMHO using only 1 cannon allows you to get picked easier having to chase planes around longer.
It really doesn't effect performance as badly as some would like to believe.
Charts say otherwise... Climb, speed, roll rate, and turn rate are all compromised... Also, see stigler for an anecdotal account: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/pilots/stigler/stigler.htm
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Charts say otherwise... Climb, speed, roll rate, and turn rate are all compromised... Also, see stigler for an anecdotal account: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/pilots/stigler/stigler.htm
Yes they do, but I think the point he's making is the plane still feels pretty responsive and able to fight with gondies on. I would agree, too.
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Yes they do, but I think the point he's making is the plane still feels pretty responsive and able to fight with gondies on. I would agree, too.
In a multi on multi fight, the performance loss doesn't hurt you too bad and Violator does have a point about the quick kills. If it comes down to a 1v1 the gondies affect you more. Not to say it can't be done, but they make it harder.
Wiley.
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In a multi on multi fight, the performance loss doesn't hurt you too bad and Violator does have a point about the quick kills. If it comes down to a 1v1 the gondies affect you more. Not to say it can't be done, but they make it harder.
Wiley.
More firepower is more good, IMO.
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Charts say otherwise... Climb, speed, roll rate, and turn rate are all compromised... Also, see stigler for an anecdotal account: http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/pilots/stigler/stigler.htm
I agree that they would make a substantial difference in real life.
However, in this game I do not think they make a drastic difference. I fly it a lot and do just the same difference in 1v1 fights in the MA. I mean if I was fighting an equal opponent in G14s 1v1 and I had Gondies and he didn't then maybe, just maybe they might out maneuver me. But I think you get more bang for your buck using Gondies rather than not in the MA
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I agree that they would make a substantial difference in real life.
However, in this game I do not think they make a drastic difference. I fly it a lot and do just the same difference in 1v1 fights in the MA. I mean if I was fighting an equal opponent in G14s 1v1 and I had Gondies and he didn't then maybe, just maybe they might out maneuver me. But I think you get more bang for your buck using Gondies rather than not in the MA
I have a better chance against 109s in a turn fight vs my Pony when they have gondolas on. I have noticed this without exception.
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I agree that they would make a substantial difference in real life.
However, in this game I do not think they make a drastic difference. I fly it a lot and do just the same difference in 1v1 fights in the MA. I mean if I was fighting an equal opponent in G14s 1v1 and I had Gondies and he didn't then maybe, just maybe they might out maneuver me. But I think you get more bang for your buck using Gondies rather than not in the MA
It's also a familiarity thing too, I'm sure. Turnfighting in a Jug is trickier than in a 109, but it's possible to do if you know the Jug well. Same with the gondies I'd expect.
For me, if I'm flying a G14 I'd rather have the 30mm than gondies.
Wiley.
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It's also a familiarity thing too, I'm sure. Turnfighting in a Jug is trickier than in a 109, but it's possible to do if you know the Jug well. Same with the gondies I'd expect.
For me, if I'm flying a G14 I'd rather have the 30mm than gondies.
Wiley.
Really? Why not just use the K4 then?
I fly the G14 to avoid the 30mm lol.
Idk though. I mean, going to the p47, how much difference does it make using the lighter ammo load out?
I feel like in Aces high, it's more of a psychological difference, even though it does make the plane slightly lighter, I don't think it makes a big difference other than it takes more passing shots to kill them with less gun fire ( for me at least cause of my connection) if they took damage like in real life than I wouldnt need to use Gondies.
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It's also a familiarity thing too, I'm sure. Turnfighting in a Jug is trickier than in a 109, but it's possible to do if you know the Jug well. Same with the gondies I'd expect.
For me, if I'm flying a G14 I'd rather have the 30mm than gondies.
Wiley.
20mm + gondolas give better ballistics at distance and better shot spread. One of the biggest drawbacks of the 30mm is that you typically need to be in closer than 400yds for successful hits, which decreases the effectiveness of the fighter compared to the 20mm's range.
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Really? Why not just use the K4 then?
I fly the G14 to avoid the 30mm lol.
For the sweet, sweet perks. ;)
Idk though. I mean, going to the p47, how much difference does it make using the lighter ammo load out?
Well, in my hands turnfighting a P47 is best done at 25% or less fuel, WEP is critical. The light ammo load doesn't make a huge difference if you keep 8 guns, though it is somewhat noticeable working in the vertical and when you start stallfighting flaps out. 6 guns, light load you can really feel it though. If I DA in a jug, I'm apt to take 8 guns light ammo because I know it's only going to be 1 opponent and I'm familiar enough with it at that weight.
I feel like in Aces high, it's more of a psychological difference, even though it does make the plane slightly lighter, I don't think it makes a big difference other than it takes more passing shots to kill them with less gun fire ( for me at least cause of my connection) if they took damage like in real life than I wouldnt need to use Gondies.
I REALLY notice the roll rate difference with the gondies as well as the ability to work the vertical is diminished. The faster you are the less they affect you, but once you start stallfighting I feel they really drag you down, literally. Again, that can probably be overcome with familiarity.
20mm + gondolas give better ballastics at distance and better shot spread. One of the biggest drawbacks of the 30mm is that you typically need to be in closer than 400yds for successful hits, which decreases the effectiveness of the fighter compared to the 20mm's range.
For BnZ, 3x20mm is definitely easier to work with. I've been trying to buff hunt with the 30mm lately and having a helluva time with it. I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of practice. I don't even bother pulling the trigger on 30mm unless I'm within 300 yards on a fighter. Its dispersion is pretty close to that of silly string.
Wiley.
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Accept your "inner geek", Deb. It's OK. I got over it years ago!
Its like drug abuse...if you keep it secret no one has to know! ;)
ok.
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Anyone who deliberately has the requisite knowledge to identify a 109, P-39, Yak-3, C205, etc., is almost certainly a nerd/geek or whatever you want to call it, and thus effectively an alien to the majority of our largely unthinking species. Here is a thought that will give you nightmares: No matter how logic-challenged some forumites may seem, most of them are well above average in thinking ability. It makes me shudder to ponder that fact.
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20mm + gondolas give better ballistics at distance and better shot spread. One of the biggest drawbacks of the 30mm is that you typically need to be in closer than 400yds for successful hits, which decreases the effectiveness of the fighter compared to the 20mm's range.
Agreed...but the gondolas do start to really impact performance more noticeably in the later model 109s (at least to me it seems more noticeable). I took up a G14 with gondolas last night for thr first time in a while. Got a kill and a few assists but had a tough time knifefighting a Spit9...more so than I would in a clean loadout. The G14 rust didnt help either. :frown:
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most of them are well above average in thinking ability.
And you have some means of corroborating this?
Regarding gondies, no gondies, 25% fuel, full fuel... Doesn't matter except in a one on one same plane duel. Taking a G2 with gondies and 100% internal is no different than taking a slightly lower performing but harder hitting aircraft. If all you want is performance then everyone would fly Spit XVI's, La-7's and K-4's at 25% fuel.
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And you have some means of corroborating this?
Regarding gondies, no gondies, 25% fuel, full fuel... Doesn't matter except in a one on one same plane duel. Taking a G2 with gondies and 100% internal is no different than taking a slightly lower performing but harder hitting aircraft. If all you want is performance then everyone would fly Spit XVI's, La-7's and K-4's at 25% fuel.
Ya it said so on a wiki he read. :neener:
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And you have some means of corroborating this?
They are on this forum, reading and writing about WWII airplanes, thus they are presumably all functionally literate. They have all read books or articles about WWII airplanes. That indicates reading for pleasure, and reading nonfiction for enjoyment at that. These two things are not common.
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Ya it said so on a wiki he read. :neener:
Ah. A possible exception to my general principle shows himself.
Nonetheless, in debates on this forum about things like "which plane is better" or the like, both sides typically defend their point with more logic and facts that have been seen in any presidential debate since the time when television became ubiquitous.
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And you have some means of corroborating this?
Regarding gondies, no gondies, 25% fuel, full fuel... Doesn't matter except in a one on one same plane duel. Taking a G2 with gondies and 100% internal is no different than taking a slightly lower performing but harder hitting aircraft. If all you want is performance then everyone would fly Spit XVI's, La-7's and K-4's at 25% fuel.
Yeah true that. One reason I fly the G14 and G2 more than the K is because with gondies, it allows me to attack bombers easier, I can lead my shots further out with the 20s, and 3 20s should clean a plane in one pass of being hit.
I don't think the K4 is as big of a "newb" plane as people would like to say. Because most don't really understand the way it needs to be flown and aren't agressive enough it in.
I'll give some reasons.
1. 65 30mm bullets. They are difficult to aim with. There is a lot of pressure to make the shot when you get the chance. If you miss the shot (that you could have made with another plane) then you have to pull up go for another shot, while increasing the risk of getting picked. A 2 second burst is all you have time for and you need to make the bullets count. The bullets are the main reason why people end up getting picked, pounced on, and end up low and slow on the deck, while following the plane they should have shot down already.
2. It's not a BnZ fighter.
It is a mid alt, quick, powerful plane that likes to furball. You don't dive from 13k on to a plane that is 5k unless you want to actively engage them. The planes biggest weakness is diving in excel speed on 475. So, you don't dive on a plane (like in a p47) go for a shot, and extend away in a shallow climb. You have to spiral dive on planes that are lower than you which causes you to lose a lot of E, and if there are higher planes around you, they will likely engage you as you are diving on a lower plane. This makes the plane difficult to be successful in.
3. Defense.
85% of the players in AH aren't good defensively. (Mainly because they are concerned about always having the advantage) the K4 as well as every 109 loves drawing in higher planes to engage in order to pull a counterpunch attack. That's a whole nother topic. So If you are not a definsive type player you won't get as many easy overshoot kills as you should ( the K4 30mm loves easy over shoot kills). Since it's really not that fast and it's hard to dive, you will consistently end up fighting in the defensive position. Many new players don't understand defensive setups yet.
4. It's a loopfighter angle fighter
Learning how to ride a planes stall is one of the most challenging aspects of AH. The 109 lovessssss stalling. You don't flat turn this plane unless you have to and even then you should be trying to pull loops. Verticle loop flying is key to being able to cut angles inside of planes while using the 30mm to finish planes off. You have to be a loop vert flyer to be able to use the 30mm effectively to cut angles and make quick shots off stalling planes. These ACMs are not taught by average sticks and it takes time to learn to use the stall to the 109s adavantage. It really like to be yank around and snap rolled.
Many new and developing fighter pilots in this game have not learned these techniques effectively. That is why it is not a plane for new players, because the 109k, while being moderately fast, shouldn't really be flown like other fast fighter planes. It's really for people who are advanced in stall characteristics and mid alt (7-12k) who are aggressive and can set up shots using rope and defense loop angle deflection shots.