You're Not Telling Us What We Want to Hear

[storch]

viking kitty,

the Unites States military did not lose in vietnam the johnson administration lost in vietnam.  by the time president nixon was handed that bird's nest there was little that could be done.  having just typed that I contend that if the nixon administration had given the pentagon carte blanche authorization to win the conflict we would have been out of there in sixty days with the whole region as a colony.

[lazs2]

I guess we need to define "win".

In vietnam we controlled 90% of the hamlets in the south.. we never lost any battle in southern territory.   That was how it was when we left.

In Iraq..  we control the entire country and no army opposes us.  the government of the entire country wants us there to help police terrorists and no uniformed soldiers of any opposition dare to confront us in that country.

lazs

[Nude]

Originally posted by lazs2
I guess we need to define \"win\".

In Iraq..  we control the entire country and no army opposes us.  the government of the entire country wants us there to help police terrorists and no uniformed soldiers of any opposition dare to confront us in that country.

lazs

Guess all is fine there then

[Viking]

Originally posted by storch
having just typed that I contend that if the nixon administration had given the pentagon carte blanche authorization to win the conflict we would have been out of there in sixty days with the whole region as a colony.

I think the Chinese and Soviets would have had something to say about that, but that's a discussion for a different thread.

Originally posted by lazs2
I guess we need to define "win".

In vietnam we controlled 90% of the hamlets in the south.. we never lost any battle in southern territory.   That was how it was when we left.

In Iraq..  we control the entire country and no army opposes us.  the government of the entire country wants us there to help police terrorists and no uniformed soldiers of any opposition dare to confront us in that country.

lazs

In Vietnam the Viet-Cong controlled the countryside with the government forces and US barely managing to defend the major population centers. Much like Iraq now.

The VC did not wear uniforms and resorted to ambush tactics and terrorism. Much like the insurgents in Iraq now.

The local Vietnamese population was divided in their support to the warring parties. Much like the Iraqis now.

The VC was supported both with material and fighters from neighboring countries. Much like the insurgency in Iraq now.

North Vietnam was just itching to directly intervene on the side of their likeminded in the South, and they finally did just that. Much like Iran is itching now.

China and Russia supported North Vietnam with weapons, much like they do now with Iran.

[lazs2]

viking... a good book for you to read is "A better war"  I believe that everyone would agree that was involved that by 71 with Abrahms at the helm we controlled not only the population centers but the hamlets and roads.   We did this by funding the south militia units.

The south lost because, while we stopped all funding, the commie countries continued to fund the north.. the south fought very bravely with very little resources.. we abondoned them by signing on to a treaty that we knew was not worth the paper it was written on.

In iraq...  who are we fighting?  Seems they are fighting each other.  There is no regular army that opposses us.  There is not even a faction that is against us so much as against each other.   they hate each other more than us.. the people that hate us are terrorists from all over the muslim world who come to fight and die.   They also help the countries factions kill each other.

And what is happening?  treaties are being signed between the iraq government and syria and iran.. the iraq government is being recognized.. syria and iran have promised to not allow the terrorists to base in their countries..

Perhaps that will do it.    Maybe it will take a partitioning of the country..  

No matter what... I am glad that the sadman is gone.   I am glad that the worlds terrorists gather in iraq for our soldiers to kill.

lazs