Calif Nov Election

[lazs2]

I see... since you can't answer any of the questions or define your belief... you cut to the soundbite?

By your logic... There should be no minor status for children at all... it is merely the state making up for bad parents?

So, a good parent would communicate with children so that they wouldn't smoke or drink or date 50 year olds or get tattoos... the adult that runs the liquor store or tat parlor or dates the 13 year old is not to blame?

Kids don't act impulsively or in an immature way?  kids are totally honest with the parent at all times if it is a "good" parent?

What planet are you from?  you don't have kids do you?

I ask you tho... should the parents raise children or the state?  Should only abortion be worth keeping the parents out of the mix or are there other things that you think children should be able to decide on without the parents knowing?  maybe teachers should take the place of parents?

see.... what I think is... I think that you want as many abortions as possible to take place... I think that you want kids to know that if they screw around no big deal...  they can allways get an abortion and..  they won't even get grounded... they can continue to see that guy who got em pregnant and the parents will never know...

Worse... the kid goes into a depression over the whole thing....  The parents try to cope but have no idea what is going on... the school and the abortion clinic do but... so what?  they are done with the little tramp... let the parents figure it out eh?

lazs

[Sandman]

Blah blah blah ad hominem blah blah blah non sequitur blah blah blah blah blah

[lazs2]

So I guess that means you have no answers to the questions?   Surely you must know if you have children or not?

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Sandman

73- No. I figure a girl that's old enough to engage in sexual activity is also old enough to decide what to do about it if she gets pregnant. If communication is lacking with the family, I don't see it as a state's responsibility to enforce.

74. No. My next door neighbor is a teacher. She just became one and she busted her bellybutton for over six years to do it. New teachers need a lot of dedication and hard work just to get the job. If the problem with our education system is the teachers, I'll bet it's not the young ones. It's the ones that have been on the job for 20 plus years. This prop won't do anything about them.

75. No. Was leaning towards yes... but I really don't care much about unions and Funked's case is compelling.

76. No. Arnie will have to find other places to cut funding. I like all the doom and gloom about schools being part of the reason we're $22 Billion in debt. From the look of things around our schools, they are short on cash.

77. No. I'll generally vote no on anything that costs more money. 1.4 million to some retired judges seems wasteful.

78. No. The money thing again. No on more spending.

79. No. See above.

80. No. Every time our state decides to legislate energy, I get nervous.

LOL. All eight failed to pass.

[GtoRA2]

Yeah the Govanator didn’t run his campaign very well.


I saw all the anti commercials for weeks.  I only saw his very weak commercials this last week.


You can’t counter:

"The governor stole our school money, he is personally going to fire all good teachers, molest your children and make your kids stupid"


With


"Bad teachers are hard to fire because of tenure."


He should have run commercials saying:

 "Union hacks are lying to you, wasting your money and to see proof they have infact made your kids stupid, just talk to your kids. Try reading the laws before you let the unions and other special interests make up your mind with their lies!"

[Sandman]

I paid absolutely no attention to the commercials and I threw every piece of mail away unread.

The only thing I read was the voter guide provided by the state.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Sandman
I paid absolutely no attention to the commercials and I threw every piece of mail away unread.

The only thing I read was the voter guide provided by the state.

Sure, but how many people are like you sandy?


I have a friend who works for the alameda county water district who was convinced, his union was going to get disbanded, he would lose his health care and teachers were going to get fired in droves. How did he get these false ideas?

Those commercials that lied through their teeth about the props had to convince some people.

I watched them,  it was interesting in that, Arnys adds were honest and the counter adds from what I could tell had nothing to do with what the prop was about.

[Hangtime]

As long a people continue to forfiet their brains to propaganda, as long as they flat refuse to identify facts and cull them from fiction, as long as they buy into polarized partisanship politics instead of spending 10 minutes outta their lives to engage their brains before they key in a vote...

Cripes, I wish the entire electorate was like Sandy.. at least he thinks before he votes. I may not agree with his politics, but at least he thinks the situation through.

...unlike the resta the mob minded pinheads that make up the national electorate.. if they even bother to vote at all.

[ASTAC]

Well the baby-killers in the abortion industry and Planned Parenthood got what they wanted I guess..prop 73 defeated from what I hear.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by ASTAC
Well the baby-killers in the abortion industry and Planned Parenthood got what they wanted I guess..prop 73 defeated from what I hear.

This just in... Abortion is on the decline. Don't fret.

[lazs2]

sandie... you did not need the help of leftie propoganda to sway your vote...

Hell... you coulda wrote it tho.... I doubt even you coulda lied so baldfaced so often... not saying you couldn't in order to get such important points across... just giving you the benifiet of the doubt at this point.

lazs

[ASTAC]

From the Planned Parenthood website:

         Planned Parenthood affiliates in California are delighted that California voters rejected Prop. 73 which would have put so many teenagers at risk.

What a crock.

here's the rest of their propaganda erm "article"

Link