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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2013, 06:17:33 PM »
YAK 3 and Pe-2 should be the top priority, IMHO

Yak-3 in a French skin would be cool.

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2013, 06:18:33 PM »
Yak-3 in a French skin would be cool.

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Got nuthin `gainst historically accurate skins. Far as I know, neither has HT.  :)

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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2013, 09:26:57 PM »
The contribution of the IAR-80/81 in the war was just as minimul as the early war biplanes Arlo posted.  They are cool planes and all but no more deserving than the planes Arlo mentioned.

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depends on who you're talking to...as far as the romanian squads flying them, they made as much difference as the 109s they got from the germans. they made a bigger contribution than the d.520 and just as much as the p40.
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Re: What the AHII aircraft list would look like with these 14 additions
« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2013, 09:55:53 PM »
IAR 80



Operational service

When Operation Barbarossa started, the IAR 80 equipped Esc. 41, 59 and 60 of Grupul 8 Vânátoare, part of the Grupul Aerian de Lupta (GAL), that were tasked to support the Romanian 3rd and 4th Armies deployed at the southern flank of the Eastern Front.[6] Grupul 8 was the only unit assigned a pure fighter role, while Grupul 5 and Grupul 7, equipped with German superior aircraft (Heinkel He 112s!* and Messerschmitt Bf 109s) were employed primarily as fighter-bombers and bomber escorts.[7]

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_112 (A superior aircraft)

On 22 June 1941, during the first day of the offensive, the IAR 80 patrols had their baptism of fire, achieving a single aerial victory (claimed by Sublocotenent aviator Ioan Miháilescu of Esc 60 van, a future ace) during four separate air combats. However, at least four IARs force landed with battle damage, while another two suffered engine trouble.[8] By the end of 1941, 20 IAR 80/81s had been lost in combat in accidents.[9] During 1942 the Romanian aviation industry reached its highest output so that the Royal Romanian Air Force could be re-equipped as follows: Esc. 47, 48 and 52 (Grupul Vânátoare), Esc. 43, 44 and 50 (Grupul 3 Vânátoare) and Esc. 41, 42 and 60 (Grupul 8 Vânátoare) received the new IAR 80A. Esc. 53 also replaced its Hurricanes with the IAR 80A, while Grupul 6 Bopi re-equipped with the IAR 81.[10]

In June 1942, the operational IAR fighter forces on the Eastern front, combined into the Flotilla 2 Vânátoare consisted of Grupul 8 Vânátoare, commanded by Cdr. Lt Col E. Pirvulescu, and included Escadrila 41, Escadrila 42 and Escadrila 60 with 12 IAR 80As each. During the Battle of Stalingrad, on 12 September, Grupul 8 Vânátoare IAR 80Bs (along with Grupul 7 Vânátoare’s Bf 109s) claimed to have shot down seven Yaks but they lost two IARs.[11] Grupul 8 moved at the end of September, to Karpovka, joining Grupul 7, equipped with Bf 109s.[12] On 12 and 13 December, Grupul 6 used its IAR 81s to support the German counterattack by the Panzergruppe Hoth of the Heeresgruppe Don, from Kotelnikovo towards Stalingrad.[13] In the summer of 1943 the FARR's IAR-80s were transferred to Romania for air defense duties,where they were used in combat against the USAAF. USAAF attacks were directed at the oil refinery installation at Ploieşti, in particular. On 1 August 1943 the IAR 80 faced the B-24 Liberator for the first time. There were 178 B-24s from 9th USAAF, part of the Operation Tidal Wave. The IAR 80Bs of Escadrila 61 and 62 of Grupul 6 Vânátoare, as well as IAR 80Cs from the newly formed Escadrila 45 of Grupul 4 Vânátoare,[14] together with the Bf 109Gs from Esc. 53 and Bf 110s from the Romanian night fighter squadron, dived on the low-flying, four-engined bombers, belonging to five USAAF bomber groups (the 44th, 93rd, 98th, 376th and 389th). The Americans lost – in combat or on the way back – 51 bombers. Only 89 reached their bases, of which only 31 were serviceable for a mission the next day. The Romanians pilots claimed 25 certain and probable victories for just two losses,[10] one IAR 80 B and one Bf 110C. According to Romanian statistics, IARs and Messerschmitts were confirmed as having shot down ten B-24s, with two probables.[15]

On 10 June 1944, IAR 80s took part in one of the major air battles when the USAAF attacked Ploieşti, with 36 P-38 Lightnings of the 82nd Fighter Group carrying one bomb each, escorted by 39 Lightnings of the 1st and 82 FGs. The IAR 81Cs from Grupul 6, as well as the German fighters from I./JG 53 and 2./JG 77, intercepted the large American formation. Romanian pilot Dan Vizanty, commander of Grupul 6, recalled later:

    "Our Lightning attack came as a complete surprise to the Americans. Our attack was so quick that not one of the 100 (sic) American aircraft managed to fire a single shot at our aircraft parked on the ground. Everything happened between ground level and about 2,000 meters (6,550 ft), and was total confusion. I was excited and proud of my "mills", the IAR 80s, which, thanks to their extraordinary agility, remained victorious in the air. I saw their crazy dives, quick rolls, reverse turns and inverted flying, always with just brief burst of fire to save ammunition. It was an incredible sight, but also a drama for the Lightning pilots, who, at this low altitude, were inferior to the ever-present, nimble IAR 80s".

The USAAF lost 22[16] or 23 P-38s on that day. Eight were claimed by Grupul for themselves – the rest were claimed by the Luftwaffe and by anti-aircraft gunfire. The Americans claimed 23 victories, although the Romanians and Germans each reported only one aircraft lost on that day.[1]

The American account of this battle conflicts significantly with the Romanian one. Fighter pilot Herbert "Stub" Hatch, who took part in the dogfight, wrote that his flight of 16 P-38s, the 71st Fighter Squadron, was challenged by a large formation of Romanian IAR 81C fighters that he misidentified as Focke-Wulf Fw 190s.[16] According to Hatch, the fight took place at and below 300 feet (100 m) in a narrow valley.[16] Hatch saw two IAR 81Cs hit the ground after taking fire from his guns, and his fellow pilots confirmed three more kills from his guns, making Hatch an ace in a day. However, the outnumbered 71st Fighter Squadron took more damage than it dished out, losing nine aircraft. The Americans never again repeated the P-38 dive-bombing mission profile over Romania.[17] But during 1944 USAAF aircraft appeared over Romania in more significant numbers. Many air combats occurred and by the time of their last encounter with the USAAF on 3 July 1944, pilots of Grupul 6 vanatoare had submitted 87 confirmed (and ten not confirmed) claims.[18] But casualties among the Romanian fighter pilots quickly mounted too. The three IAR 80/81 groups (the 1st, 2nd and 6th) in a period of less than four months – known as the "American Campaign" – had at least 32 IAR pilots killed in action, including 11 aces. These losses exceeded the number of casualties suffered in the previous two and a half years of fighting against the Soviets.[19] Because of these heavy losses, all IAR 80/81 units were withdrawn from combat against Americans in July 1944 and IAR pilots started to convert to the more modern Bf 109G-6s.[18]

IAR.80

Performance

    Maximum speed: 495 km/h at 5,000 m (275 knots, 316 mph at 16,500 ft)
    Range: 940 km (507 nm, 580 mi)
    Service ceiling: 10,500 m (34,500 ft)

Armament

    4 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with 500 rounds each mounted in the inner portion of the wing

IAR.80A

Performance

    Maximum speed: 540 km/h (337.5 mph)
    Range: 1150 km (621 nm, 715 mi)
    Service ceiling: 10,500 m (34,500 ft)
    Wing loading: 132.35 kg/m² (27.1 lb/ft²)

Armament

    6 × FN (Browning) 7.92 mm with 500 rounds each mounted in the inner portion of the wing

IAR.81C

Performance

    Maximum speed: 560 km/h at 7,000 m (fully loaded with bomb attached) (300 knots, 347 mph at 22,965 ft)
    Range: 730 km on internal fuel only/1330 km with extra fuel tanks (394 nm, 454 mi/718 nm, 826 mi)
    Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
    Wing loading: 132.35 kg/m² (27.1 lb/ft²)

Armament

    2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon and 4 × 7.92 mm FN machine guns mounted in the inner portion of the wing; one 225 kg (500 lb) bomb under the fuselage

^ Neulen 2000, pp. 95–96.
^ Bernád 2003, p. 12.
^ Bernád 2003, p. 14.
^ Bernád 2003, p. 23.
^ a b Neulen 2000, pp. 99–110.
^ Bergström-Dikov-Antipov- 2006, p. 151.
^ Neulen 2000, p. 100.
^ Neulen 2000, p. 102.
^ Bernád 2003, p. 34.
^ Bernád 2003, pp. 33–35.
^ a b c Hatch 2000, pp. 59–67.
^ "Mission No. 702 / 10 June 1944 / Romana Americana Oil Refinery, Ploesti, Rumania." 82nd Fighter Group. Retrieved: 27 August 2009.
^ a b Bernád 2003, p. 84.





I can see this being added before the Dewoitine D.520 .... yet .... I don't see either being added before what I've suggested .... and then some .... and then some more.  :D
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