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Offline straffo

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« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2003, 02:12:56 PM »
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Dago, yes there was the Resistance. That was quite different from Oradour, where everything that moved was killed. And I would not have rated the chances of the French Resistance against a Panzer Division.

MrBlack, the only thing that's funny about that "official magazine of the french military" is that the captions are not in French, but in English. I guess people like you don't realise that France has its own language.

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« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2003, 02:23:32 PM »
cyrano... beetle and straffo... I have no wish to change the laws in your country... I am very glad that you feel safe and do not feel the need to arm yurselves in your country... I sincerely hope you live out your lives never having to regret that decission..
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« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2003, 02:29:17 PM »
Same for you lazs , I don't want you to change your laws.

It's just another cultural difference.




Btw do you know I was shooting addict myself ?

I loved firing with almost any kind of gun (especially black powder) but since 5 years I've neither the time nor the budget to continue ...
I guess I'll restart sooner or later :)

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« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2003, 02:40:43 PM »
Apparently owning firearms and belonging to the NRA does not require huge amounts of intelligence...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3238513.stm

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« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2003, 02:47:10 PM »
_Schadenfreude_: Apparently owning firearms and belonging to the NRA does not require huge amounts of intelligence...

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An attempt by America's National Rifle Association (NRA) to "out" Hollywood stars who support gun control appears to have backfired.


 That's an idiotic and untruthfull statement. How did it backfire? People knew that many opposed to the right to bear arms. So the opponents added themselves to the list voluntarily. How is that "backfiring"?
 Does that mean that NRA members started buying more products from people on that least?
 Typical liberal BS - make a completely false claim with no foundation or logic whatsoever.

 If the NAACP created a list of people opposed to Affirmative Action, I would add myself to it. Would that mean that the list backfired or worked well?

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« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2003, 03:08:00 PM »
Thanks Lazs and Dago for your excellent answers to my points.  I have to admit I was partially playing the the devils advocate. I can hardly disagree with your answers. It is really a question of perception. It's just from my perception a little more sensible control would help in America and a little less control here in Ireland and other countries would not do any harm.  

I don't think either will happen soon.

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« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2003, 03:42:51 PM »
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That was quite different from Oradour, where everything that moved was killed. And I would not have rated the chances of the French Resistance against a Panzer Division.
 


So Beetle, we do differ here.  If I was there living in that village, since we were all to die, I would prefer to have had a chance to take a couple with me.  Take a toll on them, make it less shooting fish in a barrel.

You on the other hand would choose to die like a bug waiting to be stomped on, helpless to do anything other then bleed and die.


Fine.  I would just prefer to die fighting, you would prefer to die cowering.  Glad we understand each other.


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« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2003, 03:52:14 PM »
Aaah hindsight... whatever would we do without it...

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« Reply #83 on: November 04, 2003, 05:08:15 PM »
When I moved to AZ last year, one of the first  things I did was get my CCW. For a while after that I had a friend that would lecture me about it every time he came over on how "guns kill people." He's so anti gun it's not funny. Finally after a month or so of going back and forth between his "world would be a better place" and my "who's going to watch the watcher" debates, I came up with an idea.

He walks in one night, saw something on TV that set him off (I think it was when the police officer shot the lady in the pharmacy drive through) and started in. I walked to my room, got my gun, dropped the clip out of it, sat the gun on the coffee table and started staring at it. After a few minutes when he paused from ranting to take a breath he finally asked what I was doing.
I asked if he was still firm in his "guns kill people stance", to which he replied yes. I grinned and told him I was waiting for the gun to jump off the coffee table and kill me.

He doesn't debate guns with me any more :D

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« Reply #84 on: November 04, 2003, 05:14:03 PM »
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He walks in one night, saw something on TV that set him off (I think it was when the police officer shot the lady in the pharmacy drive through) and started in. I walked to my room, got my gun, dropped the clip out of it, sat the gun on the coffee table and started staring at it. After a few minutes when he paused from ranting to take a breath he finally asked what I was doing.
I asked if he was still firm in his "guns kill people stance", to which he replied yes. I grinned and told him I was waiting for the gun to jump off the coffee table and kill me.

He doesn't debate guns with me any more :D


I LIKE YOU!! A man with common sense on this board WOW.

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« Reply #85 on: November 04, 2003, 05:21:52 PM »
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Fine.  I would just prefer to die fighting, you would prefer to die cowering.  Glad we understand each other.
I wasn't there in 1944. Had the chance to visit the monument in 2000. Couldn't bring myself to go, but my brother went, and was -hmm- somewhat tearful afterwards.

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« Reply #86 on: November 04, 2003, 06:10:33 PM »
Have a look at how gun control has prevented firearms crime in Australia, especially during the last two months.
In short it hasn't, far from it.
Maybe it would be no differant had we no gun control laws, but I for one cant see that it has reduced gun crime at all.

I still say that if gun carry was, if not mandatory, at least optional, Martin Bryant ( the tool that cut loose with an SKS at Port Arthur) would have been the second or third person to die that day.
That to me has to be a better outcome than 30 something dead, and Bryant alive and eating three a day at tax payers expense.

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« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2003, 07:11:28 AM »
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Originally posted by jigsaw
When I moved to AZ last year, one of the first  things I did was get my CCW. For a while after that I had a friend that would lecture me about it every time he came over on how "guns kill people." He's so anti gun it's not funny. Finally after a month or so of going back and forth between his "world would be a better place" and my "who's going to watch the watcher" debates, I came up with an idea.

He walks in one night, saw something on TV that set him off (I think it was when the police officer shot the lady in the pharmacy drive through) and started in. I walked to my room, got my gun, dropped the clip out of it, sat the gun on the coffee table and started staring at it. After a few minutes when he paused from ranting to take a breath he finally asked what I was doing.
I asked if he was still firm in his "guns kill people stance", to which he replied yes. I grinned and told him I was waiting for the gun to jump off the coffee table and kill me.

He doesn't debate guns with me any more :D


I'll bet he doesn't debate with you anymore, not with a gun on the table :lol

For fun let's continue the story. Later after a few beers he mellows, eventually he eyes the gun and overcome with curiousity he asks to have a look at it, 'Sure' you say and show him the empty magazine which you now click home. 'It's not loaded'. He picks it up nervously, you laugh at his hesitancy. 'It won't kill you' You both laugh. You show him the safety and how to **** the hammer. 'Squeeze the trigger' you say 'It takes quite a pull. Hold it steady'. He points it at you, you frown and start to say 'Never point a gun at anyone unless.......'

There's a flash and you feel like someone punched you hard, you look down and see blood and look up to see his ashen face with a smoking gun in his hand. Then you remember you never checked the chamber....There must have been one round... in... oh sheeeit. 'How ironic' you think as you lapse into unconsciousness. 'I was right though... gun don't kill people....uurrgh'.

As they draw chalklines around your stiffening body, the cops lead your protesting friend away in handcuffs. Between sobs your wife tells them how she heard raised voices earlier before she went to the mall. 'I never thought this would happen'. She cries. 'I thought he was against guns. He deserves the death penalty' (Meanwhile she glances at the sofa and wonders vaguely how you get blood out of that material).

Implausible? Of course. Nothing like that ever happened :rofl :rofl :rofl

Edited as per Lazs correction although it could have been an old auto!:D
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« Reply #88 on: November 05, 2003, 08:41:58 AM »
bluedog... thank you... that is the logical answer in my opinion... the guy woulda been taken out by an armed citizen..  it happens here a lot.... probly a million or so times a year... there is no telling what would happen if no one were armed to stop those million incidents here.    tragedy stopped doesn't whip up the news teams.

take a look at where our worst, most high profile shootings occur.... they occur where gun control is the greatest... schools...the people doing the shooting are not so unbalanced that they don't know that they have a shoting gallery full of helpless victims... they usually shoot themselves before guns arive to counter them.

If a loved one of mine is killed in a shooting rampage by a madman.... I want more people to be armed.... I trust my fellow citizens and would blame the incident on the government that disarmed the people who coulda stopped it...

they talk of suing gun manufactureres... why not sue states and local government if you are assaulted and have no means of defending yourself because of that states draconian and unconstitutional gun control laws?

lazs

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« Reply #89 on: November 05, 2003, 08:51:21 AM »
cpxx... most guns have magazine disconectors these days...

even so... gun accidents are WAY down...  they drop further every year... and the NRA provides it but.... they are filtered out with some browser software.... gun safety is censored.    NRA and other groups like the boy scouts taught gun safety in school but they are banned from teaching about gun safety in school now.

straffo... I am interested in your "interest" in guns in light of your views... I can go shooting any time I like and it costs me maybe 20 bucks... my firearms stash is modest... maybe a dozen nice guns but is not that expensive... I keep em at home and I reload ammo.... I take it that there are draconian laws governing your shooting and that it is very expensive and a huge pain in the butt to do...  I take it that you can't reload ammo at home and that a lot of firearms are flat out banned.    How do you justify this intrusion on your freedom?   Do you actually believe that you are better off with less freedom so far as guns are concerned?   do you really have so little faith in your neighbor?

to me... gun control seems more of the same liberal crap of "we love humanity but we hate people".

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