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« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2003, 07:48:40 PM »
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you cannot compare rape to be here illegal.
Its like like compare bad driver to drink driver


You certainly can make the comparison.  It's actually a good comparison.  Just because you really want something, doesn't give you the right to take it.

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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2003, 07:51:07 PM »
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Thats right.
My Dad had a Sod Farm when I was growing up and the only people who would do that kind of HARD work was guys from Mexico.
And yes they where illegals.
But there were not any white boys that would or could do that kind of work.


not at the wages offered.  but had the illegals not screwed with the suply & demand, bargaining situation by comming in and working for wages that don't reflect the amount of work for this job market.

had the illeagals not been there to interfear with the ballance, you would have a shortage of workers,  and would have to offer more wages or better conditions to lure employees from competing farms (you can substitute any other bussiness here).

others would have to raise wages to compete with you.  the pay would increase and eventually get to a point where people would be eager to get the job, because the amount of pay (or health insurance or other for of compensation)makes it worth it.  of course you would end up paying them somewhere much closer to fair market value for their effort (for this job market,  as it is they get paid a good wage compared to the mexican job market, but for an american who lives here perminantly, pays taxes on his wages, or can be tracked down to pay medical bills he skips out on,  it's a starvation wage for back breaking conditions.

when people talk free trade they mean unrestricted trade.  freedom to exploit the people and resourses of your land to whatever degree your conscience will allow (and from the conditions many of our comapnies will except from the people employed in their contract shops overseas,  corperate americas conscience allows a lot of leeway)

for true free trade, all forign products sold here should be made to provide what we consider minimum working conditions and wages.  or at the very least add tariffs to those that don't at least eqal to the cost of implementing these conditions.

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2003, 07:56:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Rino
Ramzey,
     Have a little scenario for you.  An illegal immigrant driving with
no lics or auto insurance has an accident in which a person is killed.  What would you say to the family?  That it's a part of life,
and just forget it?
     Aside from that these "immigrants" seem to actually be economic
migrants, not true "settlers".

     Rino


no im not forget,
but as i supose you will tell to family same,  if
legal citizen with driver licence and insurance kill somone
Insurance has nothing to do with family lost (of couse if familiy is not focused on money), driving lience yes
But in CA even illegal can get it.
Of course legal citizen can drive without insurance and driving or not valid driving licence ? huh?

One diference is, family who lost member in "illegal" accident will possibly start hate "aliens"

And as  far as i know "illegal" who do accident will be judge and jprisoned like regular citizen.

I dont think you can separate them, mostly people migrate  for work since begin of humanity. Country can be beutifull not only by great ocean, woods, weather and montains around. But by economic reasons too.
And if they start buying goods, houses and have children born here. They are true settlers. Thats sure

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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2003, 07:58:27 PM »
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I dont think you can separate them, mostly people migrate  for work since begin of humanity. Country can be beutifull not only by great ocean, woods, weather and montains around. But by economic reasons too.
And if they start buying goods, houses and have children born here. They are true settlers. Thats sure


They also send 2 billion dollars a month back to Mexico.  That really helps the local economy.  Earn the money here, then ship it overseas.

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« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2003, 08:07:29 PM »
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You certainly can make the comparison.  It's actually a good comparison.  Just because you really want something, doesn't give you the right to take it.


So if you ar bad driver ( catched for bad parking) or drink driver catched by police. Both should be imprisoned for 5 years in tents?

if you really like to have something (green card?) you should wait on other side of border, and looking for miracle.
Or go to US illegal and try to earn money to "buy" it?

That not mean you get rights for sure if you are here, you must hard work for it, if you are illegal here. And hide from IND for couple years.
Al the rest is lawyer and money to spend for beurocracy.

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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2003, 08:09:20 PM »
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So if you ar bad driver ( catched for bad parking) or drink driver catched by police. Both should be imprisoned for 5 years in tents?

if you really like to have something (green card?) you should wait on other side of border, and looking for miracle.
Or go to US illegal and try to earn money to "buy" it?

That not mean you get rights for sure if you are here, you must hard work for it, if you are illegal here. And hide from IND for couple years.
Al the rest is lawyer and money to spend for beurocracy.


For citizens, the punishment should fit the crime.  Illegals aren't citizens.

Yes, they should sit across the border and wait to get one.  If they cross the border illegally, they should be shot.

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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2003, 08:12:20 PM »
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They also send 2 billion dollars a month back to Mexico.  That really helps the local economy.  Earn the money here, then ship it overseas.


are you not understand why?
come on, if they got captured they will havenothing in wallet
so better secure yourself and send money in place where they will be sended back.

and better this money will be spend for hungrys then for another star wars

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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2003, 08:13:24 PM »
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if you really like to have something (green card?) you should wait on other side of border, and looking for miracle.
Or go to US illegal and try to earn money to "buy" it?


you go the first route and it's the only way we should except.  when someone comes here to compete with our citizens for jobs.  his first act on american soil is to break our laws, then I say as a country and a society we can do without him.

those who arived here illeagally have already proven a disregard for our legal system and an intention violate the system to their advatage when they stand to proffit from it.  we don't need people like that in this country.  frankly we have enough natives like that (but they're our problem we can't really ship them off to someone else) but we damn sure already have plenty of this type here and we don't need to allow more to imigrate.

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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2003, 08:13:39 PM »
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are you not understand why?
come on, if they got captured they will havenothing in wallet
so better secure yourself and send money in place where they will be sended back.

and better this money will be spend for hungrys then for another star wars


Who cares why?  Shoot them, then the can't go back and enjoy the money.

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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2003, 08:17:38 PM »
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For citizens, the punishment should fit the crime.  Illegals aren't citizens.

Yes, they should sit across the border and wait to get one.  If they cross the border illegally, they should be shot.



you just state, citizens and illegals have not similar human rights? or i miss something?

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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2003, 08:18:36 PM »
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you just state, citizens and illegals have not similar human rights? or i miss something?


Illegals should have no rights.  They are illegals.

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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2003, 08:25:39 PM »
kind of on an aside  on this subject.
I caught a story on tv awhile back (I think 20/20 or 60 minutes,  I don't remember some news show with that type of format).  

anyway it was talking about a stretch of dessert where illegals are known to cross and not uncommon that they die of thirst.
there's this group down there (they only interviewed the one guy though)  that sets up stations with tall flagpoles so you can find them from far off,  they keep these stocked with water to help the illegals make it across.

they where spotlighting the guy as a humanitarian and what a wonderfull thing he's doing.

I saw him as a felon, aiding and abedding someone who is comitting a crime against this country.   if he's worried about their health he could set up a cellphone type call-box at these locations instead of water.  that way if they were in danger of not making it, they could use the box to call immigration to come pick them up,  give them a bit of medical attention and send them home to tell all the others how the dessert kicked their prettythang and all they got for it was a free trip home.

my wife dis-agrees and see's it as a positive thing, as he is saving lives.

I agree that it does save lives but in the same way that someone providing cover or a get-away ride for a bankrobber involved in a shootout is 'saving his life'.

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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2003, 08:32:50 PM »
Your wife is wrong. It cost more lives because it encourages more to come. By giving them false hope.
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2003, 08:41:00 PM »
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you go the first route and it's the only way we should except.  when someone comes here to compete with our citizens for jobs.  his first act on american soil is to break our laws, then I say as a country and a society we can do without him.

those who arived here illeagally have already proven a disregard for our legal system and an intention violate the system to their advatage when they stand to proffit from it.  we don't need people like that in this country.  frankly we have enough natives like that (but they're our problem we can't really ship them off to someone else) but we damn sure already have plenty of this type here and we don't need to allow more to imigrate.


its really good answer, but im sorry you not convince me to prison somone for 5 years in tents.

If only way to live in U.S is broke law, bettr for them to die starving? or take risk?

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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2003, 08:42:14 PM »
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its really good answer, but im sorry you not convince me to prison somone for 5 years in tents.

If only way to live in U.S is broke law, bettr for them to die starving? or take risk?


They can die how ever they'd like.