When is too much video card for an 1800+ (1.53Mhz)

[bloom25]

It could be a heat/power problem.  Try running the card with the side of the case off and maybe a fan blowing in for some extra cooling.

[Skuzzy]

What do you have the AGP bus speed set to?  Not familiar with that motherboard, but if it claims to support 8X, roll back to 4X speed and make very sure to disable fast writes.

What kind of power supply do you have?  I doubt it is power as the 9600XT is a pretty conservative board for power.  I would be surprised if it was heat due to the low power requirements, but anything is possible.

Also, what steps did you take to remove the NVidia drivers?  What version of the NVidia drivers were you using?  If you were using the 5x.xx drivers, you will need to reinstall DirectX when moving to ATI (or any other manufacturer for that matter).

[mason22]

don't think it's a heat issue. had the cover off, and on, the card was never hot to the touch.

steps i did: (i had directx 8a or whatever the latest was before 9 already installed)

bios only goes up to 4x.

- removed nvidia 3X.XX drivers. uninstalled from hardware mangr.

- double checked in the remove software for any nvidia stuff, nothing. card is now running on MS drivers.

- shut down, installed new card

- installed cat 3.8 from ATI's site  (OS would lock on the light blue welcome screen)

- reboot into safe mode, uninstall cats.

- installed latest VIA drivers (hyperion)

- installed directx 9.0b

- reboot, installed cats from Sapphire CD-rom, this would get me into windows, but i would have random shutdowns or lockups (monitor would turn off and no response from cpu)

-  turned down bios to 2x and 64meg aperture (from 128): still getting same probs.

i'm really thinking it's a MB issue it's a few years old, which is really old via computer standards.

what i'd like to do is test it on a setup similar to mine, the MB is a KT266 north and south bridge chipset.

it's hard to remember everything i did last night, but i think i hit most of it above. It's really frustrating becuase i haven't been able to elminate anything yet. power, software, hardware, no telling what the prob is.

i would like to keep the card, i have an extra HD and scsi card i'd like to build another machine wth, but don't have the cash for a new CPU and MB. Then again, i don't want to wait until it's too late to RMA this if it's really not going to work.

[Skuzzy]

You need to grab some NVidia driver cleaner.  Using just the NVidia removal tool does not actually remove the NVidia drivers.

Did you check in the ATI control to make sure Fast Writes are disabled?  This will cause stability problems if it is enabled.

[mason22]

yes, i did disable fast writes as well. (forgot about that).

so i'm assuming that anything left over by nvidia will/could cause conflicts with ATI?

is the nvidia cleaner software an nvidia product or something i should google for? (never used it before, so i'm not familiar with it)

[Skuzzy]

The cleaners are third party programs.  I think one of them is called "Detonator Destroyer", and there are others, but I cannot recall the names.

[Pfunk]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
The cleaners are third party programs.  I think one of them is called "Detonator Destroyer", and there are others, but I cannot recall the names.

http://download.guru3d.com/detonator/

Detonator Destroyer will only work on Win95,98,98SE,and ME.  So if you have XP or 2000 youll need to use another one.   I have used Nvidia nasty file remover with good success, never tried detonator RIP though

[DAVENRINO]

Driver Cleaner  also works well with XP to remove either Nvidia or ATI files.

DJ229 - AIR MAFIA

[minus]

mason 22 did your ATi card have external plug  for voltage ? many latest card  , especialy hercules dont have and they work fine when agp voltage set to 1.6 , helped on frend s card maybe it will help u to


BTW any blue  scren  related when using ATI card i solwed 99 % be upgrading PSU  and there vas  many folkz  around me who have that problem

[Skuzzy]

The 9600XT does not have an external power plug.  New GPU/silicon design reduces the power consumption dramatically.

[minus]

skuzzy,  when i change  the AGP voltage on asus a7n8x from 1.5 to 1.6 the lock up ctd and other stuf disapeared on one of my frend s PC and frend using brand new 9600 XT card

and all HERCULES made  aTI 9600 card pro or standart also dont have external power suply and thye are not XT model

[Skuzzy]

Odd you would need to change the voltage levels, but I suppose a motherboard not properly laid out could cause a problem that pumping the voltage up would overcome.

[mason22]

i think fatty and i are going to try and install it on an extra machine he has. it's a fairly old machine with an AMD slot proc.

i'll update on this when i get some news, maybe later this weekend.

thanks for your support skuzzy, bloom and others. always appreciate that!

[Skuzzy]

I'd be interested to hear the results.  I know several people who have purchased this card and are really liking it.

[mason22]

yah, that's why i'm so bummed. I did use the "Driver Cleaner 2.6", it found some ATI stuff that was still left over. All clean now.

I'm going to attempt another try on a new HD and OS install this weekend, as well as try out Fatty's machine.

i'll definitely post results. wish me luck!

did some more cleaning and Driver Cleaner missed  a file: "atiiiexx.dll"  

did some googlin' on that file and found this:
http://www.bugtoaster.com/dw15/Reports/ImageVersionDetail.asp?ImageVersionID=1616

not sure what that means, but i get the impression it cuases bugs or crashes of some sort.