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Offline scJazz

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2003, 09:20:33 PM »
Ya actually that whole 110C-4 thing in BoF wuz kinda puzzling that way wuzn't it? I guess it was fair cuz once you got a 110 slowed down and had an E advantage it was just so much dog food.

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2003, 09:43:39 PM »
some of us just dont like the HellKitty!

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2003, 09:59:03 PM »
IJN is no match for F4U-4 :D

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2003, 10:24:14 PM »
lol slash.

and oh jazz, I forgot to put one den der smillies after the word pig, my bad;)

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2003, 10:54:08 PM »
i understand the P38L whine

but why do you people need the chog so bad 6 50 cals can rip a nik into nothing if given a shot

the chog is almost the same as the other hogs just those 4 20mms which are not needed for such light aircraft like the nik and zero

but well the chog realy turn the tide of the combat theater and give the US players power over the japan players

well im sure about this most people iv seen that fly for the US come in a hellcat get above the niks then they blow all there E to get 1 kill or nothing at all and then the rest of nik's well eat him alive

the nik does so well because it is not a forgiving enemy you cant just make mistakes when fighting them
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2003, 11:14:31 PM »
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i understand the P38L whine

but why do you people need the chog so bad 6 50 cals can rip a nik into nothing if given a shot

the chog is almost the same as the other hogs just those 4 20mms which are not needed for such light aircraft like the nik and zero

but well the chog realy turn the tide of the combat theater and give the US players power over the japan players

well im sure about this most people iv seen that fly for the US come in a hellcat get above the niks then they blow all there E to get 1 kill or nothing at all and then the rest of nik's well eat him alive

the nik does so well because it is not a forgiving enemy you cant just make mistakes when fighting them
Simshell, Adding F4U-1C on the setup of okinawa is no problem, but F4U-1C is not like other "hog" because it has 20mm and the thing is Perk the 1C. :D

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2003, 12:40:33 AM »
the chog is almost the same as the other hogs just those 4 20mms which are not needed for such light aircraft like the nik and zero

The N1k is not as brittle as you let on, and its cannons are nothing if not extremly deadly and effective. A few pings bring down Jugs and Hogs with ease. Ive seen several 1 ping hits with catastrophic failures of the target plane.  We dont need the C-Hog. We just want to match it up against the N1K. Thats all. This seems like the perfect set up to do it. We just need a different staffer to run it and find a real "balance" while including it. Drop the the Jug and FM2 if need be. Something.

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2003, 08:46:53 AM »
This is what it takes and doesnt take for me to bring down a N1K2-J.

1. Snap shops from an F4U-1 so far have not disabled the N1K2-J enogh for me to slow down on it.

2. Even two snap shots dont even seem to give them a pilot wound.

3. N1K2-J must be in level or (steady) flight as close as D250 with a two to three second burst to asure most if not all rounds have fount thier target.

4. Same as above but with only a split second burst or a one second burst seems to just pi$$ off the pilot. (Watch the overshoot or the N1K2-J will take off your rudder{see my previous reply}) or other vauable parts at D700. If you are slow enough, ur dead.

5. After a snap shot or two, climb up and hope someone finishs him off and you get credit.

BTW, basicaly the same for the A6M5 but with a fuel leak credit on the snap shot and not so much a threat on the over shoot if the rate of separation is fairly quick!

The Ki-61 seems to be paper, usualy a wing separation isnt a problem, however, I have only encountered three or four so far this week.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2003, 08:54:47 AM by LtMagee »

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2003, 10:31:31 AM »
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and oh jazz, I forgot to put one den der smillies after the word pig, my bad;)


Ahh yes that sort of mistake has bitten me more than once around here. Right... nevermind my response. Know I see your true intent.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2003, 11:37:16 AM »
Your wasting your time on the Chog.  The axis guys, including brady, will eventually concede that the Chog doesn't unbalance the a2a war.  But the will then tell you it unbalances the arena by giving the Allies a much more effective ground target killer than is possesed by the Axis.

My main gripe is that gun packages available on the Allied aircraft are not effective in killing peggy's.  The Ki67's are fast and heavily gunned.  If you have to stick around in their gun range pumping with enough .50 cals to have an effect, you're usually dead.

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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2003, 12:25:27 PM »
It was "Night of the Living Peggies" last night, Naj. Musta seen over sixty thrown at the fleets flying in at 50' off the deck in a 15 minute or so timespan. Unfortunately for them there were alot of F4Us, F6Fs and FM2s willing to sacrifice themselves just as badly to keep the fleets up. Everybody died on both sides but in the end the flattops were still floating. Good thing the IJ bomber pilots never figured out the Peggy can climb from a base further back or we'd have lost `em all.

Some Georges did bomb and sink some escorts, though. But by that time it appears that the IJ players lost their wind.

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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2003, 02:09:28 PM »
While I've been still mulling this whole chog issue in my head the last couple days I had the following thoughts.   I can't seem to think of a good way to implement them.  (For the record I still don't think we need 'em. :))  If they are added and unperked then they will see a lot of use at the expense of the -1D.  This should fly in the face of people crying that the chog needs to be added for "historical" reasons since it was the junior partner and that would not be represented here with a free chog.  

Ok so then we can perk it right?  Well the problem I see with perking it is that while it would solve the numbers problem I really don't see people using a perked plane for the reasons that people seem to be most anxious to have it for. Which to me seem to be;

1) Attacking the heavily armed Ki-67 Peggy's
2) ground attack, using the 20mm to deal with the hardened ground targets.

The problem with #1 is that, yes those Pegg's are really nasty and how many people are going to want to risk the perkies going after them.  #2, how many people are going to want to dive their perkies into all that flak and AAA to take some field installations out?  Maybe it's just me but that doesn't seem likely in my mind.  Which leaves air to air combat, somthing the exsisting and included allied planeset can more than handle on their own.  


Just some thoughts on the issue as I see them, I welcome any agruments that let me look at things in a different way.
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2003, 02:54:11 PM »
ROFL oldman!

Coffee went up my nose, spilled over my hand and on my pants as when the light went on when I finished reading it!

Sweet! Best laugh I have had in a month.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2003, 03:40:15 PM »
I'm a bit confused by the logic thread here...I'm not a hard core CT flyer so I've got a bit less of a feel for things. Maybe a few of you guys can explain things to me....

I've flown the CT a bit more over the last 6 weeks or so...going from memory...

In Africa we had the 202 and nuetered 109 vs the allied horde (clearly the 202 being the "dominent" plane).

Then we had late ETO which featured spitXIV's on parade plus the rest of the cast vs the overwhelmed luftwabble.

Then we had the Bob complete with the original 20mm meatgrinder (110)

The finladia map is the most fun (and well balanced) but I'm sure we have some plane with an "edge".

My understanding is that we're dealing with "historically correct" in all cases...so if the -c was actually there why isnt it being used (perked, restricted CV/fields whatever). Simply makes no sense, especially since it really is a less formidable plane (guns aside) than the D model.

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2003, 04:03:39 PM »
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My understanding is that we're dealing with "historically correct" in all cases...so if the -c was actually there why isnt it being used (perked, restricted CV/fields whatever). Simply makes no sense, especially since it really is a less formidable plane (guns aside) than the D model.

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I almost agree with this person because "historically correct"