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Offline Delirium

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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2004, 08:56:31 PM »
I resemble that remark!

Its pretty bad when even the youngins' know about us. :D
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2004, 11:10:33 PM »
There are only a few aircraft that I will refuse to engage co-E with the 38, and they're all the top turners.  I fear the Spit V most.  If the Spit driver is as good as I am, he should beat me every time.  Luckily, the 38 has a comfortable top speed and acceleration advantage, so escape is an option.   Same thing goes for zeros.   BnZ only.  The nice thing about fighting zeros is their atrocious zoom climb compared to the 38.  N1KJ's will gain angles on a 38 in an extended fight, but the 38 is capable of pulling for a firing solution early on with proper flap use.   If the fight drags on and I can't get guns, I'll try to extend at the first good opportunity.

Slapshot said it all.  If you use combat trim with the 38, you're negating all of its wonderful vertical handling characteristics.
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2004, 04:18:37 PM »
Frankly, as a Bf109 fan, the two planes I absolutely do not fight against are the Nikis and the P-38L.

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2004, 04:38:52 PM »
Love eatin 109's.... the flaps suck so its impossible for it to slow down enough... yummm.... :D

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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2004, 06:07:01 PM »
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Love eatin 109's.... the flaps suck so its impossible for it to slow down enough... yummm.... :D
109 with alt will make a cherry out of that lighting.:D
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2004, 06:39:06 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2004, 06:41:28 PM »
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109 with alt will make a cherry out of that lighting.:D



That's the only real chance a bf109 has against a P-38.  



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Offline pellik

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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2004, 07:19:36 PM »
The 38 has a slow learning curve, if you're not willing to take a tour to figure it out don't expect it to hold up against other fighters (such as la7 and zeke) with such obvious strengths that any newbie can land kills occasionally.

109s can do alright in a rolling scissors, but I almost never get beat by em. The first few seconds they pull an incredible turn but once the 38 gets its speed down and pops flaps it usually gets angles.

SpitV is dangerous, but high turn rate corrosponds with low speeds. If you pick a good merge for the situation the only spitV that should be a threat is one with alt (thats true for any plane, really). Go in for a merge and if the spit gets around on you so fast you don't know whats going on just go into a roaping maneuver. The 38 has something on every plane, on the spitV its speed and vertical stalls.

Raise your head a little in the 38s cockpit to help with tracking targets at high anles.

Remember when you hear people say the 38 has some advantage on every plane that doesn't mean it has something in every situation. Knowing how to approach a fight in a 38 is very important, as with any of the slower E-fighters.

As for compression, when do you really need to be going more then 450 tas? If your style of BnZ is to build up a massive surplus of energy so nobody can touch you then you've got a lot to learn before you worry about the 38. BnZ in a 38 is a matter of having a little energy and knowing how to keep it, taking gun passes around 400 ias. This is preferable for roaping maneuvers as its easy to spot that a pony has tremendous E, but the slow 38 will take so long to stall that it doesnt matter if you can catch him, if you can't shoot him your going nose down first.

Whoever it was that was bad-mouthing the jug needs to try one before writing it off. P-47 has an incredible turn rate, holds E pretty well, and 8 50's can kill anything fast. The only trick is to pop combat flaps and turn nose down.

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2004, 08:49:59 PM »
Skull, that all depends on the pilots:}
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2004, 10:58:42 PM »
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That's the only real chance a bf109 has against a P-38.  



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btw how well does P38 do hammerhead?
only ACM move i really can do to cause over shoot then kill em :p
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2004, 11:59:03 PM »
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:D

btw how well does P38 do hammerhead?
only ACM move i really can do to cause over shoot then kill em :p


Better than any plane in AH.  One of the perks of flying a twin engine plane with no torque.



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« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2004, 02:49:25 PM »
Originally posted by B17Skull12
btw how well does P38 do hammerhead?

Lol B17Skull12......the P38 can pull some of the quickest hammerheads ever...although I admit I havent perfected the skill yet....If u chop throttle on 1 engine with full on the other on the way up....it does the hammerhead faster than u can put throttle back up.....I am having to actually use opposite rudder to the hammerhead just to prevent overshooting......its LETHAL.....:aok when I can get it to work :o ;) :D
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2004, 03:57:30 AM »
hmmm this is a very education post ... i better look for a new plane cause the 38 doesnt stand a chance ....lol 38maw

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2004, 04:19:21 PM »
All planes have weaknesses.  No one plane is going to be the best in any given situation.  If you want hte best plane you might as well fly 262's.  But if you really really really really really really wanna fly a good plane ditch the lawndart and pickup a jug :)

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2004, 04:38:12 PM »
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
btw how well does P38 do hammerhead?

Lol B17Skull12......the P38 can pull some of the quickest hammerheads ever...although I admit I havent perfected the skill yet....If u chop throttle on 1 engine with full on the other on the way up....it does the hammerhead faster than u can put throttle back up.....I am having to actually use opposite rudder to the hammerhead just to prevent overshooting......its LETHAL.....:aok when I can get it to work :o ;) :D


Help a newbie out with the hammerhead term.  Also, how do you lower the throttle on only one engine of 2 engine planes?