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Offline Ecke-109-

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« on: January 27, 2004, 07:26:32 AM »
First i got a profanity message because i typed 'shiit' with a double 'i'. I didnt insult someone. I dont know exactly..i described something.
This was funny in the very first moment. And told the community. Then Karaya translated it to german 'scheise'. And when i corrected him to scheisse (if you dont have a 'ß' you must write a double s), the mod whipped me.
I found it strange because i didnt insult anyone with the word 'shiit' before.
There is no need for a profanity msge when you write shiit or even ****.
Thats puritan.
Once my brother has been (? damn grammar) visited by some american friends. Nice and gentle they were. And in every second sentence they used the word '****'. hey...some words are in common use.

On the other hand it is possible (and in common use) to insult someone in a really bad manner. As you can read from time to time in the chat. You should just avoid using the word **** or similar.
I know that i was not muted because i wrote 'scheisse'. I was muted because i answered the mod that i will write the german translation to the ugly word the next time instead of getting a profanity message. Probably, this undermined his authority.

Hello HTC
Its good and important to have a moderator online. But, besides the costs, this must happen regularly AND actions must depend to the context.
This would allow the mod to know me as a 99,99% gentleman. No kidding.
It was unnecessary what happend.

Ecke

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2004, 07:35:10 AM »
Duh... **** is a swearword. What did you expect?
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2004, 08:26:56 AM »
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I was muted because i answered the mod that i will write the german translation to the ugly word the next time instead of getting a profanity message.



If you said that to me, you would have been ejected. Why do you think you should push the edge when some one warns you?

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2004, 08:41:58 AM »
I agree HT.
But this all would have not happend if the mod takes action more carefully and always looking to the context.
When a country mate types i.e. :'we lost A21! And i answer :'shiit',
there is certainly no need for the moderator to wake up.

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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2004, 08:45:25 AM »
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If you said that to me, you would have been ejected. Why do you think you should push the edge when some one warns you?

HiTech


See how this is not working?  If I understand correctly, he did not get muted for what he said when he said it.  He got muted for saing he may say something in the future.  And when he does say it in the future, he will not get muted.

Not a whine, just and observation. Mods are definetly needed :aok
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2004, 09:05:58 AM »
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He got muted for saing he may say something in the future. And when he does say it in the future, he will not get muted.

To describe it corect: I was muted for 10mins after i corrected Karayas translation on ch1.

Edit: But that is not really the point.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2004, 09:09:54 AM by Ecke-109- »

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2004, 09:45:27 AM »
Ecke - I think it's a bit of an America thing. It's a country in which those words aren't even allowed on network TV - even after 9pm - and a country in which TV ads for alcoholic drinks are not allowed to show the product actually being consumed. You can toast, you can pour, but you can't drink.

Britain is very different. Admittedly, when every other word is F, things are bad.  But even the C word has been aired on TV (Bruce Dern to Jane Fonda in "Coming Home"). I suspect that Germany is more like Britain than America with regard to attitudes towards profanity.

I've been muted once or twice in AH. The first time was when I was gunner in a buff, and I spoke to my pilot privately, expressing exasperation that our enemy had just captured a field. I used the S word. That was when I found out we had a profanity filter.

Another occasion was when I was making an innocuous remark about a female dog. We can talk about male sheep as in deliberate collisions, but not female dogs.

Then I found out that the kiddie Brit word for a young kitten was on the taboo list!

It's funny how some human output words are allowed, and some are not. If the S word is banned, why not the P word? So some guys spell the S word with a C, making a word that means a small bill or account. Why bother? Everyone knows what they want to say.

Still, back when we could do polls on this BBS, I did a poll asking people what they thought of the profanity filter. The vast majority of people voted to leave it the way it is.

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2004, 09:59:20 AM »
S! HTC

for upseting those that don't get it and never will.

every whine like this one is a testiment to the success of the mod system.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2004, 10:07:12 AM »
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Ecke - I think it's a bit of an America thing.

The vast majority of people voted to leave it the way it is.


My 6 year old grandson spells.  He is also not allowed to swear. He also is allowed to fly AH on occasion.  Guess I'm old fashioned, but I like the HT environment as it is.

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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2004, 10:10:48 AM »
I've seen many a masked swear word on channel 1 and its clear that its only being typed in order to say a masked swear word.........

I've seen folk joke about child molestation.............

I've seen folk joke about pedophilia..........

I've seen folk joke about terrorism............

I've seen folk joke about mass murder..............

I've seem blatant........... racism, castism, nationalism (as opposed to patriotism) and a few other 'isms eqaully unpaletable.

I've seen insults hurled against the .......... wives, mothers, children of those playing.

and the common thread is that this has been done for effect and not done to communicate.................. .......

Whilst we have idiots on channel 1 (and range) we need moderators.............and if they tread on a few toes now and then its OK by me.

Even if sometimes its my toes
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2004, 10:13:02 AM »
I've seen some very hateful stuff go unpunished on Ch. 1. Hateful words directed towards an entire race, slams against religions, all that good stuff. The people who did this kept ranting on too...no mute. Ecke gets muted for saying ****?

Give me a break HTC...get rid of these clown moderators.

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2004, 10:15:08 AM »
Well, just my $.02 worth.

Bottom line is that this is not an old boys club, that meets in someones basement, smokes cigars, drinks whiskey etc.

There are alot of minors who are active in all arenas at any given time. If you wouldn't behave like that in front of them in real life, why on earth would you feel you have the right to behave like that online?

Profanity is pretty well understood by all. There are really no "secret" swear words. When we use them we are fully aware of the implication.

To say that "well, I didn't say the actual word, I mean i even spelled it differently!", is irrelevent. The implication is there.

HTC owes it to its customer base to provide a fun and hassle/harrasment free environment. That is what we pay for.

Kids are like parrots to a certain degree. They will behave as they see others behave, so why encourage it?

That is really the point.

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2004, 10:32:19 AM »
Ecke, I went and looked you were giving a very polite warning.

"please do not use profanity"

then 2 mins later you were muted. I assume this was for the language statement.

Now your basic argument is that you were muted but "Hey theres other stuff worse than what i did" just dosn't cut it. I belive you were muted for arguing the point of simply being asked not to use profanity. Frankly arguing is much worse than any kind of slip up because it implies that you don't wish to follow the rules.

The real point is you were asked politly, modirators are not realy over zellious but when they ask something, and some one basicly sais screw you, ill just do what i want around the rules they realy have no choice but to mute them. The modirators help me out emensly,they are just enforcing my rules, not making them,and if you decide to pick a small fight with them, don't be surprised that you end up loosing.


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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2004, 10:40:23 AM »
Even the King James version of the bible contains the word "piss". And in some versions, the S word is used in the same verse.

Isaiah, chapter 36 verse 12

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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2004, 10:42:24 AM »
Hitech is there a way to know if it's the filter acting or a modérator ?

I got muted some month ago when typing in french ...

But I was not using bad words (even in french) I think it was just a bad combinaison of words ...

For instance I got the mute by typing "ball on" (being a bad typing I typed "ball on" instead of "ballon") and a "ballon" for me is this :