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« Reply #270 on: March 12, 2004, 04:58:41 AM »
Talking about El Alamein and paratroopers, one name:

Folgore !!

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« Reply #271 on: March 12, 2004, 09:38:18 AM »
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Originally posted by Rino
I think the real reason Market Garden failed was actually a
pair of reasons, poor intel on the panzer divisions and trying to
force XXX corp down one road to relieve the paras.


yup the british knew about them, but didnt tell anyone as it was too late to make a difference. :rolleyes: :(
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« Reply #272 on: March 12, 2004, 01:32:36 PM »
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Well, except for the fact that Erich Hartmann was shot down sixteen times, your logic is flawless.
 


Well, then my logic is flawless as you say, because Hartmann was never shot down by any enemy fighter. It`s well known.. so please keep that in mind if you want to compare his fighter vs. fighter score. 352 victories, no defeats.

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« Reply #273 on: March 12, 2004, 02:01:05 PM »
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Originally posted by Dowding
The camps in the Boer war were more like refugee camps - plenty of people went there to escape the fighting.


A classic form of denial as usual.

Let`s see, the Brits say it was more like "refugee camps", people went their in their "own will to escape the fighting". Possibly that`s why the 15 feet high barbed wire fence and armed guards...

The Boer say the Brits could not cope with Boer guerilla tactics, they tried terrorizing the population, they hung women on their trains as human shields, they went to Boer houses, where the men were gone fighting the invaders, killed their sheep so they have nothing to eat or earn money from, burned down their houses, and forced those women and children them into places located in the worst possible conditions anywhere in Africa, where they died by hunger and illness. The Boers themselves call them "hell camps".



Now who is to believe, the killers or the victims ? The sad thing is, he says the same as relativizers of Holocaust...


The problem was poor organisation and sanitation, and an unresponsive government thousands of miles away. Hardly Auschwitz.

Really ? You know, these pictures taken in British concentration camps during the Boer wars REMIND me to the ones of Auschwitz 40 years later.. I don`t put direct links here, because these are some very sad pictures :

http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind2.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind1.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind3.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/lillyvzyl.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kis1.gif

Fatality rate was 45% in these "refugee camps" per year. Very comparable to Auswitz, if not worser considering the timescale.


So how do you feel about the holocaust? Exaggerated half-truth or full blown myth? What is the current thinking among master race obsessives?

VERY pathethic try to put me like a Holocaust denier. That would be you. It`s evident from your thoughst about those Boer camps, and your denial of the events there. We don`t need your excuse, you already showed that according you, the Boer Holocaust never happened, it was a "full blown myth". Replacing your words about the words with "WW2" and "Jews" would give a mirror image of those guys that are actively deny the jewish holocaust. It`s pretty distgusting when a Holocaust denier like you accuses others with holocaust denial... your comments about "the master race" in every of your posts is a sign to me that your racist approach does not only limit to Boers only...

To me it appears that the main difference between modern Germany and the UK is that in the former is willing to admit it`s crimes in the past and apologize for them in every possible way. In Britain, it seems the "rule of the white man" is still a very fundamental idea in the society, and denial/relativization of past  crimes is a nation-wide characteristic from the lowest to the highest level. I cannot remember the British ever apologizing for what horror happened in those camps. I would not like to make generalisations, and believe that all Brits feel in a shameful way as Dowding does, but I cannot find any good examples. I can only hope I am wrong in that, and there are Brits with the right moral attitude.

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« Reply #274 on: March 12, 2004, 02:20:08 PM »
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errr lightly armed paratroopers vs heavy armour divisions taking a rest from the easten front?? (i think it was) I think they did rather well holding out as long as they did. And the plan was extreme, and they got the worse of the deal...im 100% sure the 101st or 82nd landing in Arnhem would have NEVER lasted that long.

Errr, there was no dreaded "heavy armor divisions taking a rest from the Eastern front"... that appeared later, but when the British landed, they found 2nd line troops, plus remains of some Pz units, who basically lost all their armor during the retreat from France, tired, and waiting to be refitted, reorganised, and reinforced. Hardly was it like they bumped into some heavy armor right away. It was more like the Germans were very good in improvizing a defense from what ragtag troops they had there, hold the paras at bay until the reinforcements arrive. Did you read Kershaw`s book ? Possibly the best on that battle.

oh and the British didnt win anything? thats laughable, didnt they kick Rommel out of affrica?

I can faintly remember some truely irrevelant American presence there, too. :rolleyes There`s some pitiful aid from those Amis in a form of some 1500 US-made tanks the 8th Army could finally use to get advantage over the Germans (who could deal pretty well with British tanks until then, however even Rommel notes the Sherman was better than the tanks he got from the HCommand). Not to mention of course the US help alone was some 4 times as many tanks Rommel had on the whole... there`s also an interesting coincidence between a series of British defeats happening in the desert until US supplies arrived. Then things started to change..

Wasnt they the only ones that compleated there D-day objectives?

Your history books must be different than mine... mine tell the Brits were supposed to capture Caem on D-Day or so.
They managed to capture it some.... 1 1/2 months later ? And they were still near the beach when the Americans managed to break through the bocage, the Brits supposed to encircle the Germans at Falaise, but they failed and 2/3s of them got through.

BTW, that`s not the funny part about it. Things not always happen in war as it was planned... in any army. The funny is to read Monty`s memoir about his failings, he always says "oh, nevermind, that`s EXACTLY how I wanted it to be". :eek:

Didnt they wipe out the German surface fleet on there own?

I think you are exxegerating it quite a bit.

Didnt they WIN the BOB? Air superiority over Europe maybe, but over the UK, NO.

Sure. But don`t you think the whole continent is a bit larger than the isles? Don`t you think air superiority maintained over the continent when outnumber by a factor of 3-4 isn`t really that of a bad achievement?
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« Reply #275 on: March 12, 2004, 02:49:18 PM »
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Originally posted by Angus
Arnhem failed, but it was a long shot anyway, also hampered with lots of bad luck. However, if my memory serves me, the Germans lost roughly the same amount of soldiers there, which is amazing.

They lost about 1/3rd.

The Bulge was another thing, but if the same memory serves me, the Germans lost more people there than the US.

Roughl 80-80 000 on both sides, more tanks lost on the US side.

Crete was lost, but the Germans realized that it was a Phyrric victory.

Well, only Churchill managed to "realize" that in his book. Can`t remember ever reading such opinion from the German side. Factually, the Germans succeeded in kicking the Brits out of the Balkans, secure the Ploiesti oil fields from air attacks. The Royal Navy took some heavy losses in process, and was forced to retreat to Egypt, and not much later it was practically neutrilzed by LW, Uboot, and Italian commando attacks.

BTW, the definition for Pyrhussian victory is loosing more than the enemy despite the victory. I can`t see how this applies to Crete : the Germans lost some 6000 men out of about 16 000, the Brits lost some 16-18 000 out of 32 000 they had, plus hundreds in form of the RN losses and ships sunk.



The most crucial engagement in N-Africa was presumably El-Alamein, where the Brits had a total victory.

Well, total victory would be something to crush the Afrika Korps. In that they didn`t succeed, the DAK retreated in order, and lossess in manpower weren`t serious (save for the Italians...).

The Allies lost some 700 tanks, and despite they had very good chance destroying the DAK (they were much better motorized and mobile), they failed - mostly because of Monty`s inability to grab the opportunity and behave aggressively. Despite he outnumber the German troops by almost 9 to 1 (30 000 Germans, 40 000 Italians vs. some quarter million brits, plus reserves..). Tanks, some 230 German (+250 Italian, but those... well.. ;) ). 1300 Brits tanks, many hundred from US production..

Well, I wonder what would happened if the two armies would swap commanders. :cool:

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« Reply #276 on: March 12, 2004, 05:47:42 PM »
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Let`s see, the Brits say it was more like "refugee camps", people went their in their "own will to escape the fighting". Possibly that`s why the 15 feet high barbed wire fence and armed guards...


At the Boer congress in Vereeninging  in 1902 the Boer leaders complained bitterly because the British would no longer take their families into the camps.

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The Boer say the Brits could not cope with Boer guerilla tactics, they tried terrorizing the population, they hung women on their trains as human shields,


I've asked for the source for this several times in the past, and never got it. Ashamed to post the site it comes from? It must be bad if it's worse than boer.co.za

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they went to Boer houses, where the men were gone fighting the invaders, killed their sheep so they have nothing to eat or earn money from, burned down their houses, and forced those women and children them into places located in the worst possible conditions anywhere in Africa, where they died by hunger and illness.


Which of course was still pretty much standard tactics for western armies as late as the Vietnam war, with "protected villages".

The difference between the Boer war and German tactics during the second world war is that the British destroyed houses and villages in areas to deny support to the partisans, the Germans murdered litteraly millions by not just destroying the villages but killing the inhabitants.

And as to illness, nearly all the victims in the camps were children. I dread to think what infant mortality was in turn of the century Africa was to begin with. It's worth noting that 4 times as many British soldiers died of disease as Boer women in the camps.

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Really ? You know, these pictures taken in British concentration camps during the Boer wars REMIND me to the ones of Auschwitz 40 years later.. I don`t put direct links here, because these are some very sad pictures :


Any pictures of the firing squads, gas showers, prisoners being hung with barbed wire, medical experiments etc that were the standard practice of the Germans during the war?

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http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind2.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind1.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind3.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/lillyvzyl.gif
http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kis1.gif

Fatality rate was 45% in these "refugee camps" per year. Very comparable to Auswitz, if not worser considering the timescale


Nice site Isegrim, a bunch of neo Nazis.

Some quotes from your source on the "history" of the Boer war:

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Moreover, proportionately fewer Jews  were killed than Boer women and children during the Second War of Independence.


More neo Nazi holocaust denial.

According to the Simon Wiesenthal centre, approx 9,700,000 Jews lived in countries overrun by the Nazis. Nearly 6 million of those were killed. That's a death rate of 60% of the TOTAL Jewish population.

The British took around 120,000 Boer civilians into camps, approx 25,000 died. That's a lower death rate in the camps than of the TOTAL Jewish population. The death rate amongst Boer civilians as a percentage of the total population was around 10%, compared to 60% for Jews.

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Yet, after World War 2, England mercilessly insisted on a frantic retribution campaign against the whole German nation for the Jewish holocaust. To this day, Germany is being forced to pay annual compensation to the Jews, which means that Germans who were not even born at the time of World War 2, still have to suffer today for alleged atrocities committed by the Germans.


Alleged atrocities?

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Should England subject herself to the same principles applied to Germany, then England must do everything within her power to reinstitute the Boer republics and to pay annual compensation to the Boerevolk for the atrocities committed against the Boerevolk.


This is code for bringing back Apartheid.

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England's pretence for the invasion was the rights of the foreign miners. Yet after the war, these very same miners were treated so badly by their English and Jewish bosses


There you go, the Boer war is the fault of not just the English but the Jews as well
:rolleyes:

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Yet, after World War 2, England mercilessly insisted on a frantic retribution campaign against the whole German nation for the purported Jewish holocaust


Purported holocaust?

This is the sort of neo Nazi rubbish Isegrim quotes.

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« Reply #277 on: March 12, 2004, 06:42:37 PM »
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Really ? You know, these pictures taken in British concentration camps during the Boer wars REMIND me to the ones of Auschwitz 40 years later.. I don`t put direct links here, because these are some very sad pictures


really?

at Burchenwald

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/images/buchenwald03.jpg

at Auschwitz

http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-49276/docs/auschwitz/bilder/corps.jpg

at Mauthausen

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Liberation_of_the_Western_Conc/bodies.jpg

at Gusen

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Liberation_of_the_Western_Conc/bodiesgusen.jpg

A list of concentration camps

    *  Germany:
          o Bergen-Belsen (probably 2 sub-camps but location is unknown)
          o Börgermoor (no sub-camp known)
          o Buchenwald ( 174 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Dachau (123 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Dieburg (no sub-camp known)
          o Esterwegen (1 sub-camp)
          o Flossenburg (94 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Gundelsheim (no sub-camp known)
          o Neuengamme (96 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Papenburg (no sub-camp known)
          o Ravensbruck (31 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Sachsenhausen (44 sub-camps and external kommandos)
    o Sachsenburg (no sub-camp known)
    * Austria:
    o Mauthausen (49 sub-camps and external kommandos)
    * Belgium:
    o Breendonck (no sub-camp known )
    * Czechoslovakia:
    o Theresienstadt (9 sub-camps)
    * Estonia:
    o Vivara
    * Finland:
          o Kangasjarvi
    o Koveri
    * France:
          o Argeles
          o Aurigny
          o Brens
          o Drancy (click here for more information about this camp)
          o Gurs
          o Les Milles
          o Le Vernet
          o Natzweiler-Struthof (70 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Noé
          o Récébédou
          o Rieucros
          o Rivesaltes
          o Suresnes
          o Thill
          + for these camps, no sub-camp known

            Work camps created by the Government of Vichy in Maroco and Algeria. Following the Atlas of the Holocaust by Martin Gilbert, thousands of jews were sent to these camps by the French pro-nazi government of Petain:
          o Abadla
          o Ain el Ourak
          o Bechar
          o Berguent
          o Bogari
          o Bouarfa
          o Djelfa
          o Kenadsa
          o Meridja
          o Missour
    o Tendrara
    * Holland:
          o Amersfoort
          o Ommen
          o Vught (12 sub-camps and external kommandos)
    o Westerbork (transit camp - click here for more information about this camp)
    * Italy:
          o Bolzano
          o Fossoli
    o Risiera di San Sabba (no sub-camp known)
    * Lattvia
          o Riga
          o Riga-Kaiserwald
          o Dundaga

          o Eleje-Meitenes
          o Jungfernhof
          o Lenta
    o Spilwe
    * Lithuania
          o Kaunas
          o Aleksotaskowno
          o Palemonas
          o Pravieniskès
    o Volary
    * Norway:
          o Baerum
          o Berg
          o Bredtvet
          o Falstadt
          o Tromsdalen
    o Ulven
    * Poland:
          o Auschwitz/Birkenau - Oswiecim-Brzezinka (extermination camp - 51 sub-camps)
          o Belzec (extermination camp - 1 sub-camp)
          o Bierznow
          o Biesiadka
          o Dzierzazna & Litzmannstadt (These two camps were "Jugenverwahrlage", children camps. Hundreds of children and teenagers considered as not good enough to be "Germanized" were transfered to these places - see our article about the Lebensborn - and later sent to the extermination canters)
          o Gross-Rosen - Rogoznica (77 sub-camps)
          o Huta-Komarowska
          o Janowska
          o Krakow
          o Kulmhof - Chelmno (extermination camp - no sub-camp known)
          o Lublin (prison - no sub-camp known)
          o Lwow (Lemberg)
                + Czwartaki
          + Lemberg
          o Majdanek (extermination camp - 3 sub-camps)
          o Mielec
          o Pawiak (prison - no sub-camp known)
          o Plaszow (work camp but became later sub-camp of Majdanek)
          o Poniatowa
          o Pustkow (work camp - no sub-camp known)
          o Radogosz (prison - no sub-camp known)
          o Radom
          o Schmolz
          o Schokken
          o Sobibor (extermination camp - no sub-camp known)
          o Stutthof - Sztutowo (40 sub-camps and external kommandos)
          o Treblinka (extermination camp - no sub-camp known)
          o Wieliczka
          o Zabiwoko (work camp - no sub-camp known)
    o Zakopane
    * Russia: (The real number of concentration and extermination camps established in occupied Soviet Union by the Nazies is unknown. The following list contains the name of the major camps. Some of these camps were under Romanian control; e.g. Akmétchetka or Bogdanovka where 54,000 were executed between December 21th and December 31th, 1941)
          o Akmétchetka
          o Balanowka
          o Bar
          o Bisjumujsje
          o Bogdanovka
          o "Citadelle" (The real name of this camp is unknown. The camp was located near Lvov. Thousands of Russian POWs were killed in this camp)
          o Czwartaki
          o Daugavpils
          o Domanievka
          o Edineti
          o Kielbasin (or Kelbassino)
          o Khorol
          o Klooga
          o Lemberg
          o Mezjapark
          o Ponary
          o Rawa-Russkaja
          o Salapils
          o Strazdumujsje
          o Yanowski
          o Vertugen
      (for all these camps, no sub-camp known).
    * Yougoslavia:
          o Banjica
          o Brocice
          o Chabatz
          o Danica
          o Dakovo
          o Gornja reka
          o Gradiska
          o Jadovno
          o Jasenovac
          o Jastrebarsko
          o Kragujevac
          o Krapje
          o Kruscica
          o Lepoglava
          o Loborgrad
          o Sajmite
          o Sisak
          o Slano
          o Slavonska-Pozega
          o Stara-Gradiska
          o Tasmajdan
          o Zemun
          + (for all these camps, no sub-camp known).

http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/index.html

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« Reply #278 on: March 12, 2004, 06:48:45 PM »
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Well, then my logic is flawless as you say, because Hartmann was never shot down by any enemy fighter. It`s well known.. so please keep that in mind if you want to compare his fighter vs. fighter score. 352 victories, no defeats.


Oh, I'm sorry -- I didn't see where you specified, in the text "Erich Hartmann scored 352 victories. He was shot down 0 times." you had written "by fighters". What? It wasn't there? Then quit trying to pull the "what I meant was..." game and admit that you screwed up.

And if my copy of The Blond Knight of Germany hadn't decided to go AWOL, I'd call you on your "...by fighters" amendment, too. He was downed by a collision with a LaGG-3 on 25 May 1943; if I had all my resources, I expect that I would be able to refute your amended claim as well.

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« Reply #279 on: March 12, 2004, 11:31:42 PM »
Actually Hartmann was shot down 16 times, but he survived them all. On the other hand he never lost a wingman.


... Oh, and btw. you're all morons for continuing this senseless debate.
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« Reply #280 on: March 13, 2004, 12:35:36 AM »
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... Oh, and btw. you're all morons for continuing this senseless debate.

GScholz, I believe you and I may have common ground, after all.

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« Reply #281 on: March 13, 2004, 09:45:44 AM »
At the Boer congress in Vereeninging in 1902 the Boer leaders complained bitterly because the British would no longer take their families into the camps.

Naswhan states that the Boer leaders even asked for their families to be mass murdered...

You are one really sick person.

Which of course was still pretty much standard tactics for western armies as late as the Vietnam war, with "protected villages".

That doesn`t make it any less of a crime - typical relativisation  attempt from one of the most notorious online apologists.

"Protected villages"? The Mai Lai Messarcre comes to mind, a whole village was razed, all inhabitants killed. Wasn`t a single case either. But that doesn saves British guilt of the Boer war, for which the British goverment, the British queen, and some of the population REFUSES to apologize, in fact, some of them outright deny it happened.


The difference between the Boer war and German tactics during the second world war is that the British destroyed houses and villages in areas to deny support to the partisans, the Germans murdered litteraly millions by not just destroying the villages but killing the inhabitants.

The British deliberately killed hundreds of thousends of civillians during WW2 - French, German, Dutch etc.. They only didn`t kill more because they couldn`t.  In fact the British aimed to kill the German civillians, not the soldiers.

Mass terror against civillian population as a way of war was an accepted tradition by the British during the Boer War and WW2. When they failed on the battlefield against able men, they started their sadisctic little games against women and children...


And as to illness, nearly all the victims in the camps were children.

OH, that would make it totally different, right ? "Those little nazi maggots... we sent them to hell for good!" :rolleyes:

You are just utterly distgusting. "They were only children". Geez...


It's worth noting that 4 times as many British soldiers died of disease as Boer women in the camps.

Another distgusting relativization attempt from Nashwan...

"The Welshman, Lloyd George, stated: "The fatality rate of our soldiers on the battlefields, who were exposed to all the risks of war, was 52 per thousand per year, while the fatalities of women and children in the camps were 450 per thousand per year. We have no right to put women and children into such a position."

British soldier`s fatality rate, including war, disease etc. : 5.2%
Boer women/children fatality rate in Brit death camps : 45%..


Nice site Isegrim, a bunch of neo Nazis.

Nashwan`s "bunch of neo Nazis" :








The guys who committed this are Nashwan`s heroes...

This is most distgusting thing I have seen yet from you. I start to get used to your constant anti-israeli rantings even on these boards (whoever checks Nashwan`s post history here can see his attitude towards jewish people), I got used to your *****ing distgusting relativization of terror bombing, your denial of all crimes. One`s stomach can bear Nashwan`s style after much experience with his rotten morals.

But calling dead children, some of them only a few months old, mercilessly starved to the death by the British a "bunch of Neo Nazis" is something so utterly distgusting, so clearly wrong, that I have to throw up even from reading the first letter of your post.

Some quotes from your source on the "history" of the Boer war:

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Moreover, proportionately fewer Jews were killed than Boer women and children during the Second War of Independence.
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According to the Simon Wiesenthal centre, approx 9,700,000 Jews lived in countries overrun by the Nazis. Nearly 6 million of those were killed. [/b]

Hmm... interesting... "nearly". Oh, that`s familiar. "Nearly. " It probably wasn`t 6 six million, perhaps only less... perhaps only half... perhaps it never happened.

One has to read between Nashwan`s lines. :rolleyes: Especially if it comes from someone notorious here for his anti-israeli posts, constanstly accusing israelis with mass murder etc. Read Nashwan`s post history if you don`t believe.. he`s regular participant of those Middle east threads.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Should England subject herself to the same principles applied to Germany, then England must do everything within her power to reinstitute the Boer republics and to pay annual compensation to the Boerevolk for the atrocities committed against the Boerevolk.
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This is code for bringing back Apartheid.


Oh really... England should pay compensation for something inhumen it commited.

Blasphemy ! Britain will never pay for mass murdering ten thousends of Boers in death camps. It would be unfair...

In fact, this British poster seem to be proud of that fact.

Ind it very hard to see how Britain paying compensation for British committed attoricities and genocide would return the Apertheid... especially since it was the British themselves who invented Apertheid. The site itself condemns Apertheid BTW:

"The British system of apartheid, which they applied all over the world (for instance also in India, Australia and New-Zealand), had to be imported to control the mixed population. The first manifestation of this were signs reading "Europeans" and "Non-Europeans". No Boer ever regarded himself as a "European". Apartheid invoked racial friction and even racial hatred which has in no means abated to this very day, and the bitter irony is that the Boerevolk, who had not been in power since 1902 and who also suffered severely under apartheid in the sense that apartheid robbed them of their land and their work-ethics, are being blamed for apartheid today. "

Also:

"What makes this even more odious is that the present defamatory campaign against the Afrikaner people is being conducted on the assertion that Afrikaners are responsible for "apartheid", and that "apartheid" is a crime against humanity.

This encompasses a kaleidoscope of lies. Apartheid was not introduced by the Afrikaner Nationalist Government (ANG) in 1948. Every aspect of the apartheid policy was introduced in South Africa by British colonial governments - pass laws, segregation in schools and sports teams, residential separation of races, political and economic discrimination against Blacks, and prohibition of interracial sexual intercourse. "


What do you think, how many black African friends Naswhan has ? Or Jewish? Or Afrikaaner?



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England's pretence for the invasion was the rights of the foreign miners. Yet after the war, these very same miners were treated so badly by their English and Jewish bosses
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There you go, the Boer war is the fault of not just the English but the Jews as well


Where does it say that ? It says foreign miners were treated badly by their English and Jewish employers after the war. I don`t know if it`s true or not, but it`s very well known that those mines were taken by the Brits by force from their rightful owners, as in fact the whole war`s reason was England`s greed to take something that belonged to others. Neither it is a secret that diamond industry is dominantly in the hands of jewish families, who run this business for centuries by now... nothing bad in that.

BTW, Nashwan naturally cut the sentence in half... do you know why ? He asked for examples of firing squads killing innocents. That happened in British ruled South Africa; the sentence continoues as :

"Yet after the war, these very same miners were treated so badly by their English and Jewish bosses.........
.... that they had to resort to general strikes in 1913 and 1922 (3 and 12 years after the establishment of the British ruled Union), during which many mine-workers were shot dead in the streets of Johannesburg by the British disposed Union government. So much for the rights of the foreign miners under English rule. "


Ever wondered why Nashwan has a reputation for selective quoting ?

It`s distgusting to see these POS like Naswhan crawl under the rocks, and while he`s busy posting anti-israeli crap almost every day on these boards, he weeps crocodile tears for Jews when it becomes beneficial in the denial and relativization of crimes against humanity committed by Britain.
 
I do not wish to sunk myself into the swamp of these morally rotten individuals, but I only ask a last question from Dowding and Nashwan, the most prominent boer holocaust deniers:

Do you apologize for what was commited against the Boers in those death camps ?
 What would you do to compensate them for what your ancestors did to them ?


But from their posts, we already know their answer.

Apologize for what ? Compensate for what?
IT DIDN`T EVEN HAPPEN !!
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« Reply #282 on: March 13, 2004, 09:58:46 AM »
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Hmm... interesting... "nearly". Oh, that`s familiar. "Nearly. " It probably wasn`t 6 six million, perhaps only less... perhaps only half... perhaps it never happened.


It's not Nashwan who wrote that : it's you.

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« Reply #283 on: March 13, 2004, 10:42:04 AM »
Skuzzy, please, lock this S..T

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« Reply #284 on: March 13, 2004, 11:44:47 AM »
Has this aviation forum turned into a board for neo-nazii holocaust deniers?

Would seen so, with the demented rantings of this Barbarrosa Isegrim. So :(:(