Author Topic: P-38L vs N1K2-J for one day (STATS)  (Read 4490 times)

Offline Widewing

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« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2004, 11:52:25 AM »
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I can hardly be called an Axis pilot since the only fighter I fly is the P-38L but I stand behind my original post and totally agree with Kweassa's.  There's more to flying the P-38 than just knowing how to BnZ in it.  There's stuff like that you need to know that will let you out turn a Ki-61 or a N1K2 in a stall fight.  Stuff like that the casual P-38 pilot won't know how to do.


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Ack-ack's dead on here. There is virtually nothing the Ki-61 can do with the P-38 other than die, assuming the P-38 pilot knows how to use the Lightning. Dragging one into a stall fight is fun, and a major shock for the Ki-61 driver as his fighter wallows like a wounded whale, while the P-38 quite literally flies rings around it.

A few weeks ago, we took 26 members of the =Ghosts= to the DA where we split the squad into two groups, rotating between the Spitfire Mk.V and the P-38L. I spent a little while demonstrating how effective the P-38 can be, even stall fighting the Spits. After about an hour, the Spit guys were getting so badly abused that they began upping 262s to get a measure of revenge.

Within a week, the squad's MA P-38 stats were very impressive.

Turn off combat trim, and trim the nose down a bit to avoid fighting the stick at low speeds. Learn to use those powerful rudders to best effect (really enhances low-speed roll and prevents wing drop in sustained turning at very low speeds).
P-38s will stall and snap spin at higher speeds with combat trim on than with it off. Work in pairs. Niki's have weak tails, snap shots work well. Never take more than 50% fuel, especially in the CT. Spend an hour in the DA of TA, work with someone flying the Niki. Avoid mobs of enemy if you're alone.... Remember this, when Co-E the P-38L is a much better zoom climber than the N1K2, especially above 5k.

I'll try to get into the CT tomorrow (Monday) evening. I have Squad night in the MA tonight.

My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

Widewing

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« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2004, 12:56:03 PM »
"A P-38 can hold it's own against in a turn fight against the N1K2 provided the P-38 pilot keeps the fight above 300mph or below 150mph (stall fighting) and a P-38 can easily out turn a Ki-61."

Yes it can untill the "other" faster George comes in while the P-38 pilot is recovering from a good fight.

Grits did it to me. I was recovering from a low and slow fight when the "other" (Grits) George cam in and plastered me. Once the P-38 is slower than the George, there is no chance, no different than a P-38 trying to take off from a field and getting vulched. This is so true with most of these CT set-ups but at least the F6F would have a better chance of accelerating and matching the incomming faster axis fighters such as my incounter with Grits...BTW is only my second death in the P-38. Actually, I made home but rolled it due to Grits removing much needed parts to be able to land safely.

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« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2004, 03:29:22 PM »
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"A P-38 can hold it's own against in a turn fight against the N1K2 provided the P-38 pilot keeps the fight above 300mph or below 150mph (stall fighting) and a P-38 can easily out turn a Ki-61."

Yes it can untill the "other" faster George comes in while the P-38 pilot is recovering from a good fight.




But that has nothing to do with this perceived unbalance you see in the current setup.  Of course you will find another non-germain example in attempt to show this 'unbalance' with the current setup's plane set, so I'm not going to bother since it would be like talking to a brick wall.  In your mind it's already set that there is a planeset unbalance and no matter how many tell you that there isn't, you'll still be beating that dead horse.


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« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2004, 04:56:21 PM »
"But that has nothing to do with this perceived unbalance you see in the current setup"
Yes it does, look at the stats. For game play its unbalanced. What do you not get through your thick skull? The CT is a Furball Arena and with that, it is unbalanced.
Look at the last set-up:

P-40E has 488 Kills of C.202
C.202 has 481 Kills of P-40E

For a furball arena, it was balanced, piss poor guns and all that the 202 has :)

P-40E has 365 Kills of Bf 109E-4
Bf 109E-4 has 278 Kills of P-40E

The 109 should rule the P-40E "if flow properly" but it was unbalanced and is way the "furballer" did not fly it per say, compared to the 202.

I am not trying to be like Brady and say all set ups need to "balanced". BUt what I am saying is that if its not balanced toward one side, then it shouldnt be balanced toward the other. Actualy I am glad to see this. I like being able to choose when I want to fight :)
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« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2004, 05:08:27 PM »
A guy coming in for the cherry pick while you are in a fight with another plane is hardly a game unbalance caused by the plane set.  Like I said, trying to explain some of the most simple things with you is like talking to a brick wall, except the brick wall might be slightly more witty.

Learn to fly the P-38L and the N1K2/Ki-61 hordes won't be a problem.  I don't see Leviathn, Nath, Shane having troubles and nor do I.  In fact, this is a dream set up for those of us that are dedicated P-38 flyers.  Gives a chance to show how over-rated the N1K2 is.




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« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2004, 05:11:20 PM »
I know how to fly the P-38. The brick wall issue...back at ya!

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« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2004, 05:23:20 PM »
Yep, been took a couple of sorties in there last night, smacking any N1K2 or Ki-61 that was foolish enough to engage.

Well, if I see you in there I'd like to wing up with you for a few sorties if you dont mind.

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« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2004, 06:06:36 PM »
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I know how to fly the P-38.



Obviously you don't if you're whining about the plane set being unbalanced in the N1K2/Ki-61 favor.  If anything, the P-38 is the plane that causes the unbalance because it is far superior to both of those Japanese planes.



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« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2004, 06:07:57 PM »
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Yep, been took a couple of sorties in there last night, smacking any N1K2 or Ki-61 that was foolish enough to engage.

Well, if I see you in there I'd like to wing up with you for a few sorties if you dont mind.




Not at all, would enjoy having you on my wing again.  I usually don't get home from work until after 9:30pm PST and at least for this week, can be found in the CT if there's anyone to fight in there.



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« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2004, 08:21:25 PM »
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Grits did it to me. I was recovering from a low and slow fight when the "other" (Grits) George cam in and plastered me.

I'm a cherrypicker in addition to being an habitual vulcher. :)

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« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2004, 08:52:04 PM »
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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« Reply #41 on: February 29, 2004, 09:35:11 PM »
Now that Curtishawk got his precious Seafire into the plane set, maybe he'll stop pouting and whining.  

I guess my short lived time in the CT has come to a close.  Why bother with it if the plane set is going to change when a few pout and whine?



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« Reply #42 on: February 29, 2004, 10:25:35 PM »
What happen maggi (oppppps) i meen hawk get his tail feathers burned now he wants another planset now?:D

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« Reply #43 on: February 29, 2004, 11:10:47 PM »
Never whined, simply stated a point based on facts.
I dont recall saying anything needed to be added or removed. Simply posted kill/death ratios. HOwever, I will say the spit has no place in this set-up.

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« Reply #44 on: February 29, 2004, 11:34:01 PM »
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THIS IS NOT BALANCED!
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