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Kerry: Does it bother the lefties that he's a practicing Catholic?
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2004, 10:56:21 AM »
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I don't have a residence permit.

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Kerry: Does it bother the lefties that he's a practicing Catholic?
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2004, 11:08:53 AM »
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I didnt think you had worn your country's uniform.  What right do you have to judge anyone who did?

BTW I like McCain too, didnt you see what Bush* did to him in the 2000 repub primary?  Said he 1. fathered a black child (he adopted), his wife was a drug addict, he is mentally unstable b/c of his POW time - this is freaking UNFORGIVABLE imo.  but typical of Bush* - and now you want to be the same way.  Why dont you sit down and think about it a little?

Oh, and McCain has come to Kerry's defense on this issue, did you miss that too?

also - JFK also served in the USN as you know.  Wore the uniform of our country in combat.  That counts for something imo but to you its just a stepping stone in their political career??  it is so obvious you have no idea what you are spewing about

mini-JFK indeed.  I will take a combat veteran any day over some chicken hawk who wants war but wants others to do the fighting a la Bush*, Cheney, Limbaugh, Buchanan etc.  lol



<---HAS served in the military...STILL serves in the military....HAS known ALOT of medal recipients that got medals for ABSOLUTLY NOTHING.

ASK and NCO or OFFICER who serves now or has served...Its ALL how you write the decoration weather or not you get it.  I've known guys that have done things truely heroic (saved 3 kids from a burning station wagon)  All they got were Navy Acheivment medals....on the flip side I know guys that got medals for operations that took place while they were on LEAVE!

My whole point is character....kerry has none.  His service is shaky at best....but while I didnt mention BUSH you didnt even touch kerry's testimony before congress.

Bush is the "fortunate son" I totally admit that.  I dont bash him for serving in the TANG just like I dont bash kerry for serving in the Navy.  I dont like kerry cause he is running as a "war hero" and a "WAR Hero" he is not!

He has every right to protest the war just like any other american.  When he sides with America's enemy and blatently LIES before congress...AND his testimony is used to degrade morale among american POWs...THATS WHEN I DRAW THE LINE WITH HIM.

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« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2004, 02:12:23 PM »
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<---HAS served in the military...STILL serves in the military....HAS known ALOT of medal recipients that got medals for ABSOLUTLY NOTHING.

ASK and NCO or OFFICER who serves now or has served...Its ALL how you write the decoration weather or not you get it.  I've known guys that have done things truely heroic (saved 3 kids from a burning station wagon)  All they got were Navy Acheivment medals....on the flip side I know guys that got medals for operations that took place while they were on LEAVE!

My whole point is character....kerry has none.  His service is shaky at best....but while I didnt mention BUSH you didnt even touch kerry's testimony before congress.

Bush is the "fortunate son" I totally admit that.  I dont bash him for serving in the TANG just like I dont bash kerry for serving in the Navy.  I dont like kerry cause he is running as a "war hero" and a "WAR Hero" he is not!

He has every right to protest the war just like any other american.  When he sides with America's enemy and blatently LIES before congress...AND his testimony is used to degrade morale among american POWs...THATS WHEN I DRAW THE LINE WITH HIM.



I agree about alot of medals GS, but you know as well as I that they don't hand out Silver Stars for nothing.  Bronze stars, yeah, but the Silver Star like the CMH are damn hard to come by

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pardon my non military ignorace
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2004, 02:42:34 PM »
but didnt mini-jfk get his star after chasing a vc who was shot to ****e by the 50's on the gunboat down, kill him? and get a rocket launcher?
how old was the vc you think? hard to tell when they are 4ft tall full grown eh? why would you endanger the boat and her crew to do such a thing if not for the glory and being pretty sure as hell there wasn't any immediate danger... snow job
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« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2004, 02:45:49 PM »
The following was sent to a Marine chat net by a retired Marine Master Sergeant who was  in S-2, 3rd Bn, 1st Marines, Korea in 1954. It calls into serious question John Kerry's military actions in Vietnam. We present it to give our readers another perspective to the media's one-sided "war hero" adulation, and to open his actions to the light of public discourse. -- The Editors.

I was in the Delta shortly after John Kerry left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used, and I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116  (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware that fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job, but that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.
 


(2)  He collected three Purple Hearts but has no limp. All his injuries were so minor that he lost no time from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on, the boats were almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds, at least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three Purple Hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.

(3)  The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off,  shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.  
     (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
     (b)  Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring-do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.
     (c)  Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing  procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple: If you had somebody on the beach, your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid  and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a  firefight.

Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running  across the bow of a Japanese destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early and requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress. In that election, he finds out war heroes don't sell well in Massachsetts in 1970, so he reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and has Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting. A few years later he winds up in the Senate himself, where he votes against every major defense bill and says the CIA is irrelevant after the Berlin Wall came down. He votes against the Gulf War (a big political mistake since that turned out well), then decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq -- but that didn't fare as well with the Democrats, so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander-in-Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated.
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Kerry: Does it bother the lefties that he's a practicing Catholic?
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2004, 03:52:50 PM »
opinions not facts.

Dont you know the difference?  

That Marine, if he was actually being truthful, didnt see dick.  He is assuming and speculating.  

Maybe he has other motives.  Maybe those motives are similar to your own.  

Frankly it disgust me that you dismiss someone's military action out of hand when you werent there and have never served yourself, much less in combat.  

Why dont you visit Arlington Cemetary sometime, see how many of those people you think were in the military to help their political resume, how many of them were not fighting for their country but being oportunistic.  You make me sick

But then there is your boy king who shirked his duty.  I guess Bush* figured he would rather stay in the states chasing ***** and snorting coke.  Cant say as I blame him for that, but he aint no freakin hero.  Except to you and the other wingnuts

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Kerry: Does it bother the lefties that he's a practicing Catholic?
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2004, 03:56:55 PM »
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« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2004, 04:03:08 PM »
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

THat is too funny.  What were you saying about credibility Eagler??  what was that again??

ooohhh.  I see.  

Tell your Marine chat buddy I said hi!!

on edit: - upon review of Eagler's post I should have noticed that he claimed the Marine was a Master Sergeant, which is an army rank not Marine.  Marines have Master Technical Sergeant and Master Gunnery Sergeant.
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« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2004, 04:14:59 PM »
take out the "marines" account ...

did it not happen as described in the article?

aren't you the least bit suspicious on how he got that many medals in such a short period of time? did everyone in nam come home with as many for tours much longer than mini's?

wonder why...
"Kerry declined a request from the Globe to sign a waiver authorizing the release of military documents that are covered under the Privacy Act and that might shed more light on the extent of the treatment Kerry needed as a result of the wounds. "
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Kerry: Does it bother the lefties that he's a practicing Catholic?
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2004, 04:28:49 PM »
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take out the "marines" account ...

did it not happen as described in the article?

aren't you the least bit suspicious on how he got that many medals in such a short period of time? did everyone in nam come home with as many for tours much longer than mini's?

wonder why...
"Kerry declined a request from the Globe to sign a waiver authorizing the release of military documents that are covered under the Privacy Act and that might shed more light on the extent of the treatment Kerry needed as a result of the wounds. "


1.  I dont know I wasnt there - were you?  Kerrys crew seems to back him up.  He saved at least one man - a green beret I think?

2.  It was a war genius, He was doing dangerous duty in the Mekong delta - the rivers of Nam.  Brown water navy.  Probably the most dangerous duty short of a carrier deck or a seal team

3.  That was his SECOND tour genius.  He already served on a Frigate as a naval officer.


Dont you think it is strange that Bush* got into that unit with the huge waiting list, barely qualified to be a pilot, and then didnt serve out his easy time in the TANG??  How can you attack Kerry's record when you support Bush*??  

Oh and btw your credibility = 0 after that BS post.

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« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2004, 04:36:05 PM »
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take out the "marines" account ...

did it not happen as described in the article?

 


The "Marine's Account" was your whole post!  OK, I'll disregard it.

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« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2004, 04:43:52 PM »
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on edit: - upon review of Eagler's post I should have noticed that he claimed the Marine was a Master Sergeant, which is an army rank not Marine.  Marines have Master Technical Sergeant and Master Gunnery Sergeant.


US Marine Corps Enlisted Rank Structure:

E1  Private
E2  Private First Class
E3  Lance Corporal
E4  Corporal
E5  Sergeant
E6  Staff Sergeant
E7 Gunnery Sergeant
E8 Master Sergeant...or First Sergeant
E9 Master Gunery Sergean...or Sergeant Major

Now that we have that out of the way Snopes quotes this from his orrigninal citation

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Indeed, the Silver Star citation makes clear that Kerry's performance on that day was both extraordinary and risky. "With utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets," the citation says, Kerry "again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only 10 feet from the Viet Cong rocket position and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy . . . The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lt. Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."



AGAIN for those who didnt hear the first time.....ITS ALL IN WHO WRITES THE CITATION.

Simply put john kerry beached his boat....abandond ship...shot a wounded VC

His bronze star he got from rescuing a man over board after a ship hit a mine

Three scratches one MAJOR firefight...and a trip home.

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« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2004, 05:19:45 PM »
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Oh and btw your credibility = 0 after that BS post.


good - then feel free NOT to response to anything else I have to say in the future LOL
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« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2004, 06:18:29 PM »
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good - then feel free NOT to response to anything else I have to say in the future LOL


I will if you will.  I didnt pick a fight with you.  You picked it then stepped in the **** with both feet.

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« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2004, 06:22:27 PM »
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US Marine Corps Enlisted Rank Structure:


you are right, I was wrong.  Master Sergeant/E8 or First Sergeant.