Why would europeans support Kerry?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Well Nuke.....if the UN had been behind this then the world would seem unified wouldnt it? Now the "bad" people see that we are divided and that is one of the objects of terrorism....to divide and spread fear.

which is why France and Germany should have not divided  us by not backing the use of force to make sure UN resolutions were complied with. France and Germany basically decided to let the UN and the resolutions they voted for mean nothing. That's unacceptable.

The US finally decided to act in our own interest. After 911, we are not going trust  Hanx Blix to assure us we are safe from ever having terrorists end up with WMD which Iraq never accounted for.

[Duedel]

Bush (he's still just a puppet) is not only dumb because of his idiotic solo attempt (yes, yes i know there where many many "friends" like Great Britain and Spain and a few others) on Iraq. He's dumb cause in mostly all foreign affairs he plays the "strong" US president and satisfies therewith such patriotic morons like and pisses of many other countries. For example take the Kyoto protocol.
Still u have to know that the animosity is not about the USA it is (should be) about the regime. People that mix this are as blind as the conservative pom pom wavers. At least about 50% of the US citicens where against Bush.
Think about it, politics can be right winged and nonetheless intelligent and has nothing to do with the misinterpreted term "conservative" that leads to false and extreme egocentric patriotism.

[Eagler]

france and germany lost big money when we threw sadam into a hole in the ground

that is why they did not want to invade in the first place, the same reason they looked the other way and held their noses for years doing biz with him - GREED

[Nilsen]

There were never andy solid evidence that Iraq was a threat to US security, just speculation. As far as i can see Hans Blix was spot on, and he now has more credibility than ever.

Wether France or Germany was correct in their choise of action or non-action if you will is not up to anyone else to decide except them and nobody can decide for them....much like noone can decide what action the US takes except the US.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nilsen
There were never andy solid evidence that Iraq was a threat to US security, just speculation. As far as i can see Hans Blix was spot on, and he now has more credibility than ever.

Wether France or Germany was correct in their choise of action or non-action if you will is not up to anyone else to decide except them and nobody can decide for them....much like noone can decide what action the US takes except the US.

But you said the US divided the UN, when it was France and Germany dividing the UN. France and Germany agreed that Iraq was not in compliance. The UN said Iraq was not in compliance and passed a "last chance" for them to do so. France and Germany broke their own agreements on the resolutions they signed.

Hanx Blix may have been correct, but that doesnt change anything. At the time, 'Ol Hanx was being denied access and being d**ked around still by Saddam. With Saddam there, nothing was going to convince me that Hanx Blix could assure me that Saddam was complying.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Eagler
france and germany lost big money when we threw sadam into a hole in the ground

unprooven.

 

that is why they did not want to invade in the first place, the same reason they looked the other way and held their noses for years doing biz with him - GREED [/B]

Nothing wrong doing biz with Saddam ,were is the problem ?

A moral problem ?
oops ... I forgot the US never backed a dictator nor helped any.

[Delirium]

If you believe the below comment, you must be living in a hole as well. Its common knowledge that France and Germany lost money when Iraq fell.

I could care less for the argument, but don't re-write history with your opinion.

Originally posted by straffo
unprooven.

[Nilsen]

Well that can be debated back and forth for ages Nuke and prolly will be too but hasn't that been done enough over the last year on this board? Grunhertz started this with a question and he got the reply and response i would think he was expecting/bating for.

We can discuss these matters forever and not a single person on this board is likley to change his mind based on anything that is beeing said here however much or little sence it makes. I'm now gonna spend the next few hours in the yard taking orders from my gf so youall have a nice day and enjoy the spring while im spending mine cleaning somehing that im sure is clean enough as is

bye bye for now.

[lazs2]

the euros are upset for nothing... they feel that they have no vote in the most powerful country in world but that is not true...

over half the U.S. population is women and most of them vote euro socialist.

lazs

[straffo]

Originally posted by Delirium
If you believe the below comment, you must be living in a hole as well. Its common knowledge that France and Germany lost money when Iraq fell.

I could care less for the argument, but don't re-write history with your opinion.

So common knowledge that you have nothing to back your post.

Give me fun just make yetanother neo-con post saying that France was ready to loose billion with one customer (the US) to save the million made with Iraq.

This argument was and is so stupid that I guess lot of Washington falcon still use their fingers to count ... like my 4 year old daughter.

[Hortlund]

So Straffo...what happened to the oil-drilling rights that France had in Iraq?

[straffo]

I think they still have ... or if you prefer some off shore enterprise still own them but I'm not sure.

I don't negate that, I just pretend that the US are far more strategic for France economy than a ****ty middle east country named Iraq.

[Delirium]

So, minus the personal attack, you admit I'm correct.

Thank you.

Originally posted by straffo
I think they still have ... or if you prefer some off shore enterprise still own them but I'm not sure.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by lazs2
so fishu.... How is anyone, including euros, any worse off by the U.S. invasion of iraq?   I will of course make the exception of the sadman and his family and a few "freedom fighter" organizations that got a cut in donations.

How?
Spain for example?

Iraq hasn't been found to be any big maker with terrorist donations.
There has been no WMD findings and the terrorist connection findings has been in a steady increase after the major operations

Whether you went to Iraq to prevent spread of WMD or terrorism, you've gone to the wrong place. (now theres potentially more terrorist connections and increasing.. weren't the purpose to cut off the support, instead of working as the local terrorist recruiter? )

More money for the terrorists comes from your beloved saudi-arabia and other countries.
Let alone the training camps and powerful persons behind terrorism.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Delirium
So, minus the personal attack, you admit I'm correct.

Thank you.

What personnal attack ?
Washington is in the Connecticut now ?

You were not speaking off the billions $$ France and Germany wer e making ?

Should I remind that the argument of the neo-con last year was : France choose to support Saddam because of the billions $$ debt Iraq had.

Since we've learn that the debt of Iraq toward the Us was far more important ...