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« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2004, 03:04:30 PM »
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But the cone fish I was talking about was more like a cross between a clam and a hermit crab. It's a clam in a hermit crab shell. It's a deep sea animal, So it would surprise me if 1 person is killed by it a year.



This is interesting, no doubt this thing is more poisonous than a Black Widow, but the topic specifically requested "What Spider....."
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« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2004, 03:08:21 PM »
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The whole daddy long legs thing is a myth... derned things don't have poison at all.
Wrong. The DDL is deadly poisonous. It's just that its fangs are not long enough to deliver a deadly bite, and so it's harmless.

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« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2004, 03:11:56 PM »
Beetle, read the other post I made about the DDL... then apologize.
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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2004, 03:35:14 PM »
No, we dont keep anti-venom at home, but all Hospitals, and I think all Ambulance bases have a supply.
Thats one of the things places like Steve Erwin's Australia Zoo are really good for, they milk the snakes and make anti-venom, supplying it to Hospitals etc.
Allthough it is pretty common to see a snake, it isn't all that common to get bitten by one, pretty much it is something taught to primary school kids, that is, how to spot them, where they are likely to be, how to act when one is around, what to do if someone is bitten etc.
They pretty much are a fact of life, and everyone just learns to avoid them if they can, believe it or not, they are fairly easy to hear when they move if you know what to listen for, and a half decent dog will let you know a snake is around well before you get close enough for it to be a danger.
There are several types of plant that are thought to repel snakes too, Gerhanium (sp??) for one, so a lot of urban gardens are snake no-go zones.
Allso as a general rule, they are more afraid of you than you are of them, and will make every effort to get away from you.
Quite often when you see a snake, it is powering away from you as fast as it can go, generally because it was asleep untill you happened along.
If they are awake, they will be long gone by the time you show up.
The ones that show up on the back verandah, or start hanging out in your chicken coop get the old permanent 12 Guage shoo with the big broom that goes boom :)
They do a hell of a lot to control rodents though, so most people only kill the ones that are a direct threat.

The Eastern Brown is another multi-striker, it doesnt attack and run like a lot of snakes, it bights you, then bights you again, and again, and again.....I think that has a bit to do with it's 'level of dangerousness', in that not only is it's venom highly toxic, it injects huge amounts of it in several bights.
Same for a Tiger snake, multi-strike attack ,highly aggressive in breeding season, territorial, and it will come looking for you if you happen into it's territory at the wrong time of year., they are nowhere near as common as the Brown though.

LOL Ravvells, probably an Aboriginal thing....did you know that for a long time the Australian Aboriginals thought white men were called the Fekahwee tribe? Apparently the first white bloke they saw out in the bush strolled up and said "G'day mate, where the f**k are we?"

There used to be this song played on the radio a lot back when I was in primary school,  Ah, here we go, for your listening/reading pleasure.

Redback On The Toilet Seat (1972)
Ralph Ernest 'Slim' Newton

There was a redback on the toilet seat, when I was there last night
I didn't see him in the dark, but boy I felt his bite.
I jumped high up into the air and when I hit the ground
That crafty redback spider, wasn't nowhere to be found.

I rushed into the missus, told her just where I'd been bit
She grabbed the cut-throat razor blade, and I nearly took a fit.
I said, "Just forget what's on your mind and call the doctor, please,
'Cause I've got a feeling that your cure is worse than the disease."

Chorus: There was a redback on the toilet seat, when I was there last night
I didn't see him in the dark, but boy I felt his bite.
And now I'm here in hospital, a sad and sorry site
And I curse the redback spider, on the toilet seat last night.

I can't lie down, I can't sit up and I don't know what to do
And all the nurses think it's funny, but that's not my point of view.
I tell you it's embarrassing and that to say the least
That I'm too sick to eat a bit, while that spider had a feast.

And when I get back home again, I'll tell you what I'll do
I'll make that redback suffer, for the pain I'm going through.
I've had so many needles, that I'm looking like a sieve
And I promise you that spider, hasn't very long to live.



 LOL, good old crap Aussie bush music.

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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2004, 05:37:01 PM »
Bluedog hehe, great stuff! :aok

Yep, I take your point about most snakes running or being more afraid of you than you are of them...  The only exception I'm aware of is the African Black Mamba. That thing can stand with its head about 4'6" high off the ground. And it WILL give chase, and can "run" at 17mph using a side to side zig-zag sweeping motion. On the TV programme I saw, the guy who caught it got bitten on the hand right through the catch bag, and was in a bad way for a day or so. My girlie (Tomato) is from Africa, and tells me about the wildlife there - some scary stuff!

Steve! What am I supposed to be apologising for? :confused:

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« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2004, 05:53:12 PM »
crap..I STILL DO NOT SEE EVIDENCE that says.."this spiders venom is the most potent"....

im not looking for human killing spiders..


Steve the Ausralian posts doesnt really talk about world spiders..



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but..lmfao..thanks to all atleast trying to help..

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« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2004, 05:55:05 PM »
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See hundreds of them in summer around here, thats why God invented shotguns.


Better idea then shotgun:



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« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2004, 07:41:54 PM »
I tell you what I've come into contact with the Camel Spider and it's definately no joke.  From what I've been told the spiders venom actually numbs and starts to rot the skin around the area you were bitten.  This is so it's easier for them to feed.

And if you think it's shy it's not by any means.  Once while deployed to Kuwait we had one race up on us while standing out on the ramp bsing.  It's lightning quick to say the least and not scared of anything.  This little bugger came up on us and raised it's forward quarters wanting to fight us.  There were atleast 7 of us standing there and the dang thing was persistent.  It didn't flinch one bit and was basically telling us to move outta the area.

While in Qatar I had another run in with one.  Mind you this thing was no bigger than a dime.  I was out smoking in some shade and the little bugger came up to me just like that last one had.  I proceeded to toss a small pebble at it.  It charged forward at me.  I figured it was a cocky little sucker so I threw another.  It again raced even closer to me.  Then on my last throw the little watermelon raced up my boot and I screamed and ran like a child kicking my boots all over.  It was rather comical to say the least.  

They are one freaking ugly creature.  They about make you sick just looking at them.  And to think they are in no way shape or form scared of you and are aggressive makes it worse.  I'll take a scorpion in my tent anyday over one of these critters.  Stuff your boots full and keep all items that can close, closed.  Scared the crap outta me one night when I forgot to drop fully folded socks in my boots.  I turned them upside down shook them out and proceeded to put them on.  Shoved my foot in and something rather large and soft was in there.  I freaked out to say the least.  Come to find out I forgot to take my old sock outta the bottom of them.  Once again very comical.

Oh and Nuke those things in that picture are fairly large but the one I saw in Kuwait was a bit larger.  Those things especially hate other Camel Spiders.  It wasn't uncommon to see 2 of them going at each other.  Majority of the time you'd see them get close then one would bail the other way.  But for the most part they were extremely aggressive.  The one I saw in Kuwait was about the size of my fist clinched but with the second knuckle of each finger extending outward.  This ofcourse was when it was honched down ready to strike too so it may have seemed a bit bigger than it actually was.  All of it's legs were tight in close and it's forward quarter raised.
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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2004, 08:50:20 PM »
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Steve! What am I supposed to be apologising for?


You said I was wrong about the DLL.   Well, I wasn't.  In the post below the comments you typed I clearly stated the differences between the European DLL and the North American DLL.
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« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2004, 09:08:29 PM »
DLL maybe?

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« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2004, 09:29:02 PM »
yup
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« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2004, 09:50:57 PM »
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crap..I STILL DO NOT SEE EVIDENCE that says.."this spiders venom is the most potent"....


http://www.petbugs.com/caresheets/P-fera.html

Some info.  A quote from a linked site:

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The most poisonous spider in the world is a difficult question to answer, because there are actually about a dozen very poisonous spiders in the world, all of which have caused human deaths. But perhaps the Black Widow Spider (Lactrodectus mactans) of North America is the most well known of the deadly spiders. The funnel-web spider of Australia is the spider with the most dangerous poison. According to the Guinness Book of Animal Records by Mark Carwardine, the world’s most venomous spiders are the Brazilian wandering spiders of the genus Phoneutria. In particular, the Brazilian Huntsman is widely believed to have the most active neurotoxic venom of any living spider. Its venom is so potent that only 0.006mg (0.00000021oz) is sufficient to kill a mouse.

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« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2004, 05:07:47 AM »
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You said I was wrong about the DLL.   Well, I wasn't.  In the post below the comments you typed I clearly stated the differences between the European DLL and the North American DLL.
You quoted a link which said that the toxicity of the European DLL is "uncertain". It isn't. It's poison is deadly, but it cannot administer a bite to humans for the reasons I said. Far from its toxicity being unknown, my link describes its poison as "very potent".
http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/indexmag.html?http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/spider/pholcus2.html

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« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2004, 10:54:05 AM »
Anyone wanting to get rid of spiders in the house get a cat. When spiders start showing up in the house in late August, early September, our cat will stakeout the entry way. Almost every morning when I go to the bathroom I see partially eaten spiders, legs, etc. on the floor. Our cat definately earns his keep during that time of the year.

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« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2004, 11:28:23 AM »
Until it meets the dreaded Brazilian banana spider!

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