Author Topic: Anniversary of Columbine High School shooting (Read 1843 times)

type_char · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2004, 10:44:07 PM »

What didnt everybody have a tek 9. Most sold submachine gun in the US as one time.

gofaster · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2004, 08:22:06 AM »

This is why we need ninjas in every school and at most major office buildings. You never know when a disgruntled student or worker will need to be taken out silently.

lazs2 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2004, 08:36:47 AM »

why would a teacher go nuts and start killing students? if he did... I would still like to know that some other teacher or adult had the means to stop him. seems "run away run away" is not a very sound plan.

strk... two incidents that come to mind are the 96(i think) misssissippi school shooting where a 30/30 wielding student was confronted by a teacher who ran to his car and got his 45 and stopped the guy befor he could shoot more than a couple.. the shooter RAN AWAY and was chased down by the teacher and held fo the police... another is a law school (can't recall where but can look it up) where a 380 weilding student started shooting.. another student was armed and drew on him telling him to drop the gun... which HE DID. at that point it was a fistfight instead of continueing to be a shooting of sheep.

staby... those kids may have been intent on dieing... they may not have been.. who knows how they would have reacted to someone confronting them with a gun... maybe like in every other case except whitman.. they woulda hnds up but... one thing is for sure... if they got shot ded they would have stopped.
Concealed carry permit holders do have to be trained regularly. probly a lot more than a security guard. I notice that it is mostly the student age guys on the BB who have this great distrust of teachers... that is natural... I felt the same but... admit it... there are allways a couple you would trust. and that is all it would take.

If my kid were killed in columbine I would be suing the people that allowed those kids to be unprotected... they took away everyuones right to defense but gave nothing in return.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2004, 08:44:33 AM »

Oh.. strk.. John Lotts new book "the bias against guns" has some good examples of what happens when force is met with a firearms defense.. and... it explains why you don't know about any of em. But you sure know about columbine don't you?

I think that this media manipulation will someday bite em on the butt... I don't read newspapers or watch the news much now... many people are doing the same. I don't really care about some journalists opinion who never leaves his desk and is someone who has nothing in common with me anyway.

To me, columbine should prove that there are evil people who will shoot, poison, bomb or just run down students or anyone else. it proves that making people sheep just forces the nuts to act. How could they resist? no restraints whatsoever except some "law" that said not to. they knew that they would not be in any danger while they slaughtered those kids... least not till someone with a gun got there.

lazs

gofaster · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:10:14 AM »

You hang around a high school long enough and eventually you'll see a teacher yelling in frustration at the students.

Classic Mr. Hand line: "What are you people? On dope?"

midnight Target · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:17:23 AM »

If the existing laws had been adhered to, these guys wouldn't have been able to own guns. They were on probation already, and underage to purchase from a gun show.

They both had 2 parent homes with successful loving parents too. Maybe they were just bad.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2004, 09:24:48 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
If the existing laws had been adhered to, these guys wouldn't have been able to own guns. They were on probation already, and underage to purchase from a gun show.

They both had 2 parent homes with successful loving parents too. Maybe they were just bad.

"Loving" parents? Too trusting obviously, as they did not know that in their OWN BASEMENT these guys were putting together bombs. As a parent, you should know where they are, what they are doing, and be intrusive. Obviously these parents were a failure.

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:03:12 AM »

gofaster... are you saying that if a teacher yells in frustrastion that they would start shooting kids instead of yelling? very strange stretch there... sorta like all the liberals who "just knew from logic" that concealed carry permits would make people start shooting each other over fender benders eh?

I can think of worse ways to die than being shot... should we close down the internet because a kid made a pipe bomb? how bout not allow cars within 500 feet of a school so that they won't kamakazi into the schoolyard?

lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:20:43 AM »

seems the problem started about the time they took "swats" out of the school lineup

once they removed that deterrent, discipline in school went out the window

our dean had one similiar, without the sigs and holes drilled into it for less drag

didnt stop us, but gave us something to think about

gofaster · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:40:47 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
gofaster... are you saying that if a teacher yells in frustrastion that they would start shooting kids instead of yelling? very strange stretch there... sorta like all the liberals who "just knew from logic" that concealed carry permits would make people start shooting each other over fender benders eh?

I can think of worse ways to die than being shot... should we close down the internet because a kid made a pipe bomb? how bout not allow cars within 500 feet of a school so that they won't kamakazi into the schoolyard?

lazs

I'm saying teachers lose it. And I sure wouldn't want a teacher to have access to a gun when they lose it.

gofaster · « **Reply #40 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:42:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
Teachers in Israel are armed...heavily. You do NOT hear about them going berserk and slaughtering their students.

What's more, the populace sees nothing wrong with this. In a region where terrorist attacks have been commonplace for more than 50 years they have entrusted their teachers with deadly firepower so that the maniacs cannot simply walk into their schools and start blasting away.

Would armed resistance have saved lives at Columbine? You bet your sweet arse it would have. Almost any normal adult can be trained to handle a firearm in a responsible manner during a crisis situation. Unless, of course, one's left leg is too long.

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern

Military duty is compulsory in Israel. Those teachers served in the military for a minimum of 2 years. They know a thing or two about weapons.

Sixpence · « **Reply #41 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:43:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
seems the problem started about the time they took "swats" out of the school lineup

Or when corporate America starting putting the bottom line first. And when both parents are forced to work more than 40 hours to make ends meet. Who is there now when the kids get out of school? Both parents work so much they barely have time for their kids. The only thing trickling down from corporate America is a lack of morality and family values, but no one wants to point the finger that way, it's because we can't beat our kids, yeah, that's it. Discipline has it's place, but what good is it if the parents are not around to do it? Maybe we should make sure there is a parent at home after noon every school day?

Ripsnort: Proof that kids need parents, and that your careers should never stand between you and nurturing/raising your children to be the best they can be

Back in grade school we were told that in the future people would work less and have more time for family and community. Fast forward 25 years, wow. I can see why we put up with the deception of politicians, we learn it at an early age.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #42 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:47:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
Or when corporate America starting putting the bottom line first. And when both parents are forced to work more than 40 hours to make ends meet. Who is there now when the kids get out of school? Both parents work so much they barely have time for their kids. The only thing trickling down from corporate America is a lack of morality and family values, but no one wants to point the finger that way, it's because we can't beat our kids, yeah, that's it. Discipline has it's place, but what good is it if the parents are not around to do it? Maybe we should make sure there is a parent at home after noon every school day?

Ripsnort: Proof that kids need parents, and that your careers should never stand between you and nurturing/raising your children to be the best they can be

Back in grade school we were told that in the future people would work less and have more time for family and community. Fast forward 25 years, wow. I can see why we put up with the deception of politicians, we learn it at an early age.

Quoted for truth.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #43 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:55:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
Or when corporate America starting putting the bottom line first. And when both parents are forced to work more than 40 hours to make ends meet. Who is there now when the kids get out of school? Both parents work so much they barely have time for their kids. The only thing trickling down from corporate America is a lack of morality and family values, but no one wants to point the finger that way, it's because we can't beat our kids, yeah, that's it. Discipline has it's place, but what good is it if the parents are not around to do it? Maybe we should make sure there is a parent at home after noon every school day?

Ripsnort: Proof that kids need parents, and that your careers should never stand between you and nurturing/raising your children to be the best they can be

Back in grade school we were told that in the future people would work less and have more time for family and community. Fast forward 25 years, wow. I can see why we put up with the deception of politicians, we learn it at an early age.

I seem to recall that Womens Liberation movement took mom out of the home and into corporate America. It seems like its convenient for liberals to blame Corporate America, but the women wanted equal rights, and equal jobs. We (as in America) gave it to them. Then the families suffered.

However, you can balance the two. Today, Corporate America has gone out of its way to help mothers and fathers. For instance, my company has a privacy room for breast feeding mothers to pump during working hours...day care if we choose to use company provided day care...flexible hours to maximize time spent with family....virtual office to maximize time at home...there's plenty out there to work around America. Seems liberals like yourself like to blame others instead of taking the parental responsibility yourself and say "I must try harder and work towards more family time."

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2004, 11:00:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I seem to recall that Womens Liberation movement took mom out of the home and into corporate America. It seems like its convenient for liberals to blame Corporate America, but the women wanted equal rights, and equal jobs. We (as in America) gave it to them. Then the families suffered.

However, you can balance the two. Today, Corporate America has gone out of its way to help mothers and fathers. For instance, my company has a privacy room for breast feeding mothers to pump during working hours...day care if we choose to use company provided day care...flexible hours to maximize time spent with family....virtual office to maximize time at home...there's plenty out there to work around America. Seems liberals like yourself like to blame others instead of taking the parental responsibility yourself and say "I must try harder and work towards more family time."

Do not blame womens lib on the fact that most households can only survive if both parents work. There is no reason women shouldnt have equal rights in the office.