Author Topic: Should Cali Tax the Indian Casinos? (Read 1503 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:10:45 PM »

fine storch but then they shouldn't be entitled to any infrastructure in the U.S.. or any state.. We should simply not allow U.S. citizens to go to indian land. How much would they make then?

and... if every one of em makes $40,000 a month... how much do they pay in income taxes?

They should have to get a visa to use our roads and such or to be outside indian land. They don't pay for the highway patrol or the roads going to the casinos or the devestation on the infrastructure caused by the addiction they create and allow.

lazs

SOB · « **Reply #46 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:13:10 PM »

If a church follows the same rules as other not for profits, then sure, don't tax 'em. If not, they're a for-profit business and should be taxed as such.

SOB · « **Reply #47 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:15:35 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
fine storch but then they shouldn't be entitled to any infrastructure in the U.S.. or any state.. We should simply not allow U.S. citizens to go to indian land. How much would they make then?

and... if every one of em makes $40,000 a month... how much do they pay in income taxes?

They should have to get a visa to use our roads and such or to be outside indian land. They don't pay for the highway patrol or the roads going to the casinos or the devestation on the infrastructure caused by the addiction they create and allow.

lazs

Lazs makes a good point. I think we should treat Canada the same way. If they don't wanna pay our taxes, then nobody gets to go there from the US - and if they wanna come here they'd best get a visa.

lazs2 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:22:58 PM »

sixpense.. any money you extort from people is a tax. By taxing winnings (over a certain amount) you are taxing the people who have the least money and... it is allready done at other casinos. The money is income tax and is a very small amount... some is even offset by those who claim gambling losses.

simply treat all casinos the same.. Treat all bussiness and all vice the same.

This isn't poaching a few salmon here folks this is a multi billion dollar a year bussiness that operates in every other way like any other but....with the protection of no competition and not having to pay for the damage it causes. It enjoys all the protection and a lot more of any other bussiness but does not pay for any of it like the rest of us.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:28:54 PM »

SOB I guess if there were little pockets of canada in the middle of California and they were making tens of billions a year of of say opium dens and not paying a cent into the infrastructre then... you would have a point.... eh?

lazs

storch · « **Reply #50 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:30:51 PM »

hmmm, lasz

Sixpence · « **Reply #51 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:39:47 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

sixpense.. any money you extort from people is a tax.

Right, but they get taxed on their winnings anyway, what i'm saying is that instead of giving the money to the government to spend, give it to the people, you would still be taking money from the casino, but instead of it falling into the governments hands, it goes right to the people, bypassing the bureaucracy.

By taxing winnings (over a certain amount) you are taxing the people

You don't understand, you are not raising the tax on the winnings, they would be just winning more, and the more you make, the more you get taxed, your winnings are the same as if you were playing the lottery, it counts towards your income that you report at the end of the year, you report it like you do the lottery.

some is even offset by those who claim gambling losses.

That is something that is brought on by the lotteries, not the casinos, and it isn't right, it gives you more incentive to play the lottery and gamble your life away, every state's cash cow.

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 28, 2004, 05:57:55 PM »

six.. not sure what you are saying... how would there be more winnings than there are now or, more extorted money for California (tax).

How do you tell the feds that you aren't going to pay them tax on winnings anymore? I don't understand how you are going to get more out of the casinos than we are now... They pay nothing now... the people pay in tax on winnings, tax that they pay extra to keep the casino vice running and they get nothing out of it except that they have a populace with less money to spend on legitimate bussiness that pays taxes . Plus... we get to deal with the human wreckage that a vice like gambling produces.

Soo... slowly so that I can understand... how would you negate the negative cash flow of casinos in a fair manner?

All I would ask is that is they operate under the same tax rate of all the other other casinot... they allready have protectionist pollicy that is worth 10's of billions of dollars... the least they could do is help pay for the damage they cause by paying the same taxes as any other casino...

They would get the same breaks as other casinos but have the unbelivably HUGE advantage of having all their competition.... friggin outlawed! I would say that even profits of 8 billion a year is pretty good "compensation". Allowing them to prey off our citizens with no competition... it don't get any better than that...

lazs

Gnslngr · « **Reply #53 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:06:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
Well as a Catholic you just offended me.

You can have your snake handling, speaking in tongues, slap on the head heal me quacks. I will stick with the man in the pointy hat.

how can you be offended. You called it a racket. A racket to me is somthing like organized crime. I just stated that catholics tend to have a little bit more glits than other denominations.

If you want to compare them be my guest. I dont consider myself a religious person as I dont beleive in religion I beleive in Christ the savior.

Religion is an idea created by man to be closer to god.....Christ was Man created by God to be closer to Man.

I give money to the church because I know they do good with it. You want to tax them for that than fine...get rid of non profit organizations all together. If you are just picking on churches because you wathed TBN and the woman with big blond hair and way to much make up looked like a snake charmer than you need to get out more.

Sixpence · « **Reply #54 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:07:49 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

six.. not sure what you are saying... how would there be more winnings than there are now or, more extorted money for California (tax).

lol, did you read my first post?
"Ahh, but we do, the winnings are taxed. So here is where you get creative. Instead of taking the liberal approach and taxing them, require them to make a % of their intake go towards winnings, like the lottery. The winnings are taxed, and the people get money to spend."

You see now how it works? You take that tax percentage that would go to the government and equate that into the amount required that go towards winnings, voila!

Torque · « **Reply #55 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:10:52 PM »

"We should simply not allow U.S. citizens to go to indian land."

Please stop, Laz is starting to sound like a Libral with womenly intensions.

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:18:49 PM »

ahh I see six... the reason it didn't click is because there is no connection between how a lottery works and how a casino work (with the possible exception of keno)..

In the lottery, everyone pays but only a very small percent or fraction of a percent ever win anything... In a casino the win lose margins may be in the 96 % margin.. basicly, if you play a slot machine you will win 96 dollars for every 100 you lose. Not much room there and... if you use the current way of taxation... you need to win like what? $2,000 $2,5000 before it needs to be reported?

Even worse... people rarely win that much in a lump... they might even win 10 times that without ever reaching the limit where it would have to be reported if they win a little here and a little there.

so yeah... you would have to get real creative and... even if you could figure out a way to make it work.. it's still a tax and no better or worse than simply using the system in place.

basicaly tho... I don't want anyone to pay taxes or... I want everyone to pay less taxes... Them not payoing any increases all of our tax burdens.

lazs

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lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:20:46 PM »

torque... it would never come to that... they would pay any tax we put on em and pretend to like it. They know it could happen.

lazs

Airhead · « **Reply #58 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:24:41 PM »

lazs, if you hit a 2.000 dollar jackpot on the slots in an Indian casino the Feds take their cut right off the top unless you have your Social Security card, in which case you get a 1099 form showing your winnings as "income." Happened to my step dad couple of weeks ago.

Sixpence · « **Reply #59 on:** April 28, 2004, 06:34:17 PM »

Right, what i'm trying to do is get the money into the peoples hands. Remember, whatever % you would tax them(casino), a good portion of that gets eaten up by government bureaucracy, by the time it trickles down back to you, there is alot less to spend.

I'm not sure what you are saying on the winning, but if you mean the casinos are not making much because you win 96 dollars for every 100 you spend, then there isn't much we can tax, that laffer curve thing would apply?

But like I said, any money we could get out of them would be better served in the peoples hands as winnings, even if that money does not have to be reported, it gets spent in the community, buying power helps the economy and tax dollars get collected on what they buy. The less government has their hands on the money, the better. But if the government gets their way(and they will) they won't do it my way.