AP:Iraqi Artillery Shells with WMDs Found

[RedTop]

1st off I agree with this war and the reason it was undertaken...

I think most would agree that Saddam had WMD's. I think most would agree he was making WMD's. So...think of the following...

  Is it so hard to think that maybe some of the hardcore Iraqi soldiers that just dissappeared may be fighting with the insurgents?
  Is it not possible that maybe 3 or 4 of them knew where some old chem shells might be?
  Is it to much to grasp that maybe by luck they fell on some stash they didn't know was there and now that this may have been Sarin they are hoopin and hollerin and trying to figure out how to do it right the next time?
   Is it possible that the Other Shell that could have been Mustard Gas is in another pile that was told by sommeone it was hidden someplace.

There are a ton of scenarios here...

Saddam had WMD's IMO and had AMPLE time to hide em. 500 shells isnt nothing to move. All the time he had before he was invaded,,,All the time he bought over YEARS of playing russian roulette with war with the US and violating sanctions. He could have buried em ANYwhere in Iraq. So many here though say thats not possible.  

He IMO was playing both sides..If he makes everyone think he has them they have to be cautious. IF he says he doesnt even though everyone knows he did at one time , they have to be cautious. Either way he buys time to move em. He wasn't supposed to have them. PERIOD!!!!!

Syria is a know haven for terrorists. Why not hide them there. Why not let certain people know they are there. Why not while on the run being chased by the US after the invasion let the ones closest to you know hey...There are Sarin shells here..VX there..Mustard there...yadda yadda yadda.


Alot of people here choose to think that he was totally cooperative in all this. He was anything but. Years he blocked inspectors. WHY? I think it was because he was moving things around..Getting ready to hide em. Years he played against the US and UN. HE did everything he could to make inspectors life miserable. And at one time it was what , 3 years there were NO INSPECTORS at all? Could be wrong about that time span but I do remember it was a WHILE that no inspectors were there. AMPLE time to hide stuff.

Then when pushed totally in a corner and having things moved and hidden he allows inspectors back. HE produces a copy of all the stuff he didnt have and yet can't say where 800 tons of Chem agents are. Can't account for 500+ artillary shells that had Chems. in them.

This isn't some conspierocy theroy , this is all known. I just fail to see why so many of the Anti-War folks here don't think about this. It seems plain to me. ARe the WMD's still in Iraq? probably not to the extent they were , but obviously there is something there.

Shelf life means nothing either. They may not be new but , does anyone know that until it's blown up to see? Are we willing to sit by and wait and say , they are to old so they are no threat? I don't think so. That is playing with Millions of lives possibly. I don't see anyway of knowing how old they are until they are either captured or blown up and the pieces analyzed.

It may be a bit early to be hollering about WMD's found...But it's OBVIOUS that some exsist. TONS maybe not...But some for sure. Accidental..Highly possible...But if that was from some stash..bet they are trying to figure out how to NOT screw up next time.

Just my 2 cents

[Gunslinger]

I'm convinced.  Even if they found stockpiles of the crap you haters on this board would still say:

Bush is Hitler.  
the weapons werent all that deadly
He had every right to keep them
we still should have waited for yet another usless UN resolution
BLA BLA BLAH

[Sandman]

I'm convinced that ten years from now, they'll still be looking for proof.

[RedTop]

You may be right Sandman.......But I highly doubt it.

[Sandman]

Hell... I'd bet that in 50 years we'll still be in Iraq trying to clean up this mess, but no one will be around here to collect.

[B17Skull12]

YOU ALL ARE WRONG
I peronsally know it came from allah.  I mean who else would it come from?  Allah must be helping them in the *holy* war;)

[ravells]

mmmmmmmmm ... yes skull.

Ravs

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
Hell... I'd bet that in 50 years we'll still be in Iraq trying to clean up this mess, but no one will be around here to collect.

Well we are still in Korea after 50 years and that was a UN police action.  

I think the secularists would love to change "jesus saves" to "the UN saves"

[straffo]

FYI do you know we still find shells full of hyperite and other gaz in france almost 1 century after WWI ?

In the light of that do you still find strange there is some shell full of combat gaz some 20 year after the Iraq/iran war ?

[Momus--]

Originally posted by straffo
FYI do you know we still find shells full of hyperite and other gaz in france almost 1 century after WWI ?

In the light of that do you still find strange there is some shell full of combat gaz some 20 year after the Iraq/iran war ?

Silence!!! How dare you inject a dose of perspective into the debate!!

[straffo]

oooops may bad

[babek-]

Why everyone is astonished that there was found a gas-artillery-grenade ?

During Iran-Iraq-War Saddam got from many countries - inlcuding Germany, USSR, France and the USA the equipment to build gas-weapons.
He used them for years during the war - not only against the kurdish city of Halabya but especially against the iranian troops and also iranian cities.

130 THOUSAND iranian soldiers died because of these gas weapons. And no one cared - because in these times Saddam was defined as a nice guy. OK - he used gas weapons - but why blaming him ?

This changed later... for the 130000 soldiers who died because of the gas attacks a little bit too late.

But why anyone wonders that there are still old grenades left in Iraq? Sure - they cant be used as artillery-weapons any longer but they could be used in the actual guerilla warfare for terrorist attacks.

Iraq is full of weapons - it got them for decades and especially weapons for guerilla warfare can be fund everywhere in this country. The same with Afghanistan.


But the far more disturbing news yesterday in arab and iranian media were not this gas grenade but the assassination of the iraqi president of the interim government and his XO.

Also there were reports in arab and iranian media about the USA - allowing homosexuals to marry - which is used for anti-american propaganda mixed with the torture pictures of iraqi prisoners who were forced to homosexual poses.

These news are far more disturbing than old gas grenades of Iran-Iraq War, because they are succesful in showing the whole west - not only the USA -  as a pervert and decadent culture. The effects of these propaganda are a greater danger than old gas grenades could be.

[txmx]

Great now they hate us because we allow gays to live free in there own country!

Dang aint we some evil bastardos.

[WilldCrd]

Why everyone is astonished that there was found a gas-artillery-grenade ?

i would hardly call a 155mm artillery round a "grenade"

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by muckmaw
New blurb that just came across on our AP system here at the exchange.

More info to follow but the blurb read:

Stockpile of Iraqi Artillery Shells found containing Sarin>More to Follow

If I see more news, will post with link.

Wow that's a relief, imagine if it had all been for nothing!!

Course at $50 billion per shell found it's not the most cost effective way of finding WMD's but what the hey...