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Offline Shuckins

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« Reply #105 on: May 23, 2004, 05:26:01 PM »
Well tx...I've skinned a lot of deer in the last 50 years...shot with every caliber imaginable.  Almost invariably, those with the worst meat damage were hit with a slug that was too light and hand-loaded to a higher velocity for which it was not designed.  

Many nimrods in this area use 300 Winchester Magnums because shots are often long, and they want to hit their quarry with all the bullet weight and caliber they can shoot.  A 180 grain boattail holds its energy well.  If the slug is of strong sectional design, such as a Nosler partition, meat damage remains within acceptable limits.

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« Reply #106 on: May 23, 2004, 05:33:40 PM »
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Isn't that the Bass Pro Shop?



We dont really do much in the way of bass fishing at this store. We deal in a tramendous amount of Orvis products.

Our second store, New England Outfitters is located just 20 minutes south off Rt 15. At which we have several indoor ranges.  The two stores are partnered by three guys. My father, and two others. Its been an up hill battle but in the past few years things have gotten much better. I give my father and his other partners great credit in the work they have done to keep both of the stores moving forward.
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« Reply #107 on: May 23, 2004, 05:42:18 PM »
Well to answer the original question, which by now has been lost in confusion by expert testimony and ballistic bragging.

I would recommend a rifle in the caliber of 30.06, it is an overall popular caliber with a wide range of manufacturers and ammo availability. It's easily reloaded to suit your own standards (don't reload myself).

You can spend alot or a little-your choice-your budget. I would recommend a Ruger model 77 bolt action. If you want to add a little sport and test your luck and accuracy-go with the Ruger #1 single action. I'm not a Ruger fan per-se but in this type of sporting weapon Ruger makes a very well crafted, stable, affordable gun. Remington-you pay alot for the name, good gun, but I think the Ruger is better. If you choose Remington go with the 700 ADL-not the BDL. If you want to spend some money, go for the Weatherby, but you will spend a lot of money just for the Weatherby name-the ammo too.

I'm no expert, I just know what works and is most popular in my part of the world. A 300 Win Mag is also popular but IMHO a 30.06 is just a good all around/all purpose rifle. By all means I would go with a bolt action no matter what you choose to do.
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« Reply #108 on: May 23, 2004, 05:47:57 PM »
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Well tx...I've skinned a lot of deer in the last 50 years...shot with every caliber imaginable.  Almost invariably, those with the worst meat damage were hit with a slug that was too light and hand-loaded to a higher velocity for which it was not designed.  

Many nimrods in this area use 300 Winchester Magnums because shots are often long, and they want to hit their quarry with all the bullet weight and caliber they can shoot.  A 180 grain boattail holds its energy well.  If the slug is of strong sectional design, such as a Nosler partition, meat damage remains within acceptable limits.

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern


Yeah but a 180 grn BT is not a light bullett  atleast on a white tail LOL.

Yeah If they over load then you get into all kinds of wacky stuff .

It's not uncommon for the back of the bullett to start going into a figure 8 pattern or butterfly pattern and god knows what the round will do when it hits its target.


You might have seen this In some targets where the hole insted of being nice and round was more oblong as the bullett really hit the paper sideways .

And not to mention often the bullett will start to fragment while its on path to target  so when it does hit  it really tears watermelon up.

So yeppers your right some morons would be better served to just buy boxed ammo LOL.

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« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2004, 06:23:27 PM »
The one shot kill of a bull elephant with a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 Magnum is a published fact. The bullet penetrated something over 36". It has been published in no less than a dozen magazines with date, time, location, and name of the shooter.

Rarely if ever, excluding shots that strike the central nervous system, do animals die instantly to one shot. They don't drop in their tracks. Even with perfect kill zone shots, animals dropping where they stand stone dead are extremely rare.

The average large game animal shot through the heart and one or both lungs, even if shot while standing still, runs about 50 yards or more. For example wild boars shot straight through the heart and both lungs will often run for several minutes, and prefer to die standing up. More than once I've seen whitetail deer shot straight through the heart and lungs with 7MM magnums run for quite some time and distance. The only way to make sure an animal dies in its tracks with one shot and does not move is to hit the brain or the spinal chord above the shoulders.

Less than one in one thousand hunters is qualified to take shots on big game at ranges in excess of 300 yards. By qualified I mean that said hunter is able to accurately estimate the distance, the wind, and the elevation difference, well enough to hit his target within 6" of where he aims and calls the shot 95% of the time, guaranteeing a one shot kill in a quick and humane manner for the animal.

Make note that around 90% of all hunting guides, guys who make their living hunting big game animals, shoot non magnum rifles when they hunt, and carry the same rifle when they guide. The only reason I suggest a 300 Winchester Magnum is that average hunters do not see the field time that guides and hardcore hunters do, and they need an edge to allow them a little latitude in range estimation and shot placement, not to mention they often hunt less than 5 days, and do not see the chances to shoot game the others do.

As far as backing anything up, I hope you don't call posting a score **** with not only the name of the shooter, but also both  the hits AND the misses whited out, and with scores obviously ADDED after the fact backing anything up. That may be your score sheet and it may show 38 out of 40, but who knows? With all that whiteout on it, it could be anything. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take your word for it.

Notice I never made any claims that I did anything. So don't start accusing me of falsifying anything. Anything I said can be verified in your better reloading manuals and firearms magazines.
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« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2004, 06:33:40 PM »
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As far as backing anything up, I hope you don't call posting a score **** with not only the name of the shooter, but also both  the hits AND the misses whited out, and with scores obviously ADDED after the fact backing anything up. That may be your score sheet and it may show 38 out of 40, but who knows? With all that whiteout on it, it could be anything. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take your word for it.
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My name is whited out cause it aint none your buisness.
The scores where added by someone in the Ranges officers COC.
 
And you will notice I whited out the SSN as well LOL not likely Im going to post too much info on this BBS.

And you will see that we agree on the win300 mag as to giving the shooter that little extra edge he might need.

And with animals you can never tell
hell I hit a Mule doe in the gutts with a 308 norma mag and she went down like a ton "O" bricks.

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« Reply #111 on: May 24, 2004, 07:28:28 PM »
TXMX, I thought you promised you weren't going to do this sort of thing anymore?

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Might as well have filled the thing out with a crayola.

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« Reply #112 on: May 24, 2004, 09:22:54 PM »
Ofcoures Its photoshoped you idiot.
Like i said I whited out my name and SSn# and some other stuff that frankly Is none of you buisness.

Now Tell me how this is fake?


Oh here is another fake i picked up along the way.


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« Reply #113 on: May 24, 2004, 09:24:51 PM »
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The man is a pathological liar, he can't help it.


And If your gonna call me a lier than I only think It fair that I call you a whinny little euro TARD.
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« Reply #114 on: May 24, 2004, 09:27:51 PM »
geeze name calling now.

WoW, we've really come along ways:rolleyes:
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« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2004, 09:28:35 PM »
Hey tmxmx.

It sucks when people call you a liar dont it?;)
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« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2004, 09:29:36 PM »
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geeze name calling now.

WoW, we've really come along ways:rolleyes:


Yeah i ran an edit cause I aint gonna stoop to this moronic little europeon .

All he does Is slam America so welcome to the ignore list little man.

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« Reply #117 on: May 24, 2004, 09:31:30 PM »
lol me on the list? Cant say I'd care much seeing as this is only a BB.

I just ignore the people who dont matter and pay closer attention to the ones that do.:)
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« Reply #118 on: May 24, 2004, 09:31:39 PM »
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Hey tmxmx.

It sucks when people call you a liar dont it?;)


LOL you got me there.
you will notice though that when people started in on questioning your store I dropped it .
hey gotta give credit for that .

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« Reply #119 on: May 24, 2004, 09:33:18 PM »
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lol me on the list? Cant say I'd care much seeing as this is only a BB.

I just ignore the people who dont matter and pay closer attention to the ones that do.:)


Nope you aint on no list of mine man.
I always enjoy a good discussion with you.
We may not agree on watermelon but way talk like adults  for the most part LOL I like that