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« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2004, 02:43:26 AM »
Actually your not to far from truth Grun :)

Gustave Eiffel was from German (Rhenan) origin his complete name was :Gustave Boenickhausen he changed his name to Eiffel (his home region) because there is no way to pronounce "Boenickhausen" without puking :p

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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2004, 02:48:49 AM »
Speaking of the Eiffel Tower and aviation,
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« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2004, 03:57:08 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ HOWARD STERN CAN'T HAVE A FREE SPEECH RADIO SHOW IN THE USA. HIS COMPANY WAS FINED 1.75 MILLION DOLLARS FOR VIOLATING FREE SPEECH RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.


Why hasn't Opra (and many, many others) been fined for violating the same restrictions?  Enforcement is totally arbitrary, based on politics.

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« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2004, 04:16:58 AM »
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No, it was determined by administrative fiat of Bush appointees.



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regarding an afternoon broadcast of George Carlin's "7 dirty Words" --USSC agrees with FCC July 3, 1978"The FCC characterized the language of the monologue as "patently offensive," though not necessarily obscene, and expressed the opinion that it should be regulated by principles analogous to the law of nuisance, where the "law generally speaks to channeling behavior, rather than actually prohibiting it." The FCC found that certain words in the monologue depicted sexual and excretory activities in a particularly offensive manner, noted that they were broadcast in the early afternoon, "when children are undoubtedly in the audience," and concluded that the language, as broadcast, was indecent and prohibited by § 1464.  


Did Bush appointees determine this one as well?
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« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2004, 09:02:09 AM »
Trust me Ravs... if you'd seen my "flying" lately... the only thing i could catch up with would be a slow passenger plane with a drunken pilot :lol

Now that you've declared your luv to that redneck iron, I'm affraid i have no other choice to hunt you down.
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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2004, 09:17:34 AM »
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HOWARD STERN CAN'T HAVE A FREE SPEECH RADIO SHOW IN THE USA. HIS COMPANY WAS FINED 1.75 MILLION DOLLARS FOR VIOLATING FREE SPEECH RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.

WHICH PART OF THAT IS NOT MAKING IT THROUGH TO YOUR BRAIN?


Free speech doesn't mean you have the right be vulgar or pornographic over the public airways. It does mean that you have the right to express or discuss whatever ideaology may strike your fancy. The latter is what has been denied in France. No need to get all indignant about it, caps only weaken your argument.
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« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2004, 11:36:47 AM »
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To make a good portrait of her imagine she is a fervent/fanatic defensor of animal's right (for her an animal has more right than a human) ...

Let me recount a little story

once upon of time her neightbour had a male donkey that tried to fornicate with her female donkey (the donkey was smart he didn't try to do her ...)

No problem for "Madame" Bardot she called a veterinarian to emasculate the poor donkey ...

Do you still think she can still be seen as respectable ?


I dont know if this shows a double standard, but it certainly shows where the true hate is being directed.

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About three months ago, the French Jewish (it is unfortunately important to mention her religion) singer Shirel was performing at a gala attended by, among others, France’s First Lady Mrs. Bernadette Chirac. Upon entering the stage and during her song, Shirel was welcomed by young Muslims sitting in the first rows yelling, “Dirty Jew. Death to the Jews. We’ll kill you.”

If this were not disgusting enough, the loud silence of Mrs Chirac speaks volumes about the condition of French Jews today. It is not then surprising that recent Court decisions confirm this increasing trend of official hostility to Jews.

Two judicial cases vividly symbolize this trend.

First: during a very popular program on State TV, on December 1, 2003, a famous stand-up comedian called Dieudonne decided it was time for a virulent anti-Semitic act. He came on stage disguised as a religious Jew wearing Army fatigues, saluting the Nazi way, and yelling ” Israel, Heil “. He was then, of course, sued, because France has tough laws, perhaps a vestigial remnant of an earlier era, against anti-Semitism.

But last week the verdict came in: ACQUITTED!

Second: a young Jewish kid was regularly beaten-up and insulted inside his school for months, by two Arab kids employing the ever so common epithet nowadays: ”Dirty Jew.” The two aggressors never denied the facts, and were expelled.

But in response, the two miscreants filed a lawsuit against the school.

And last week, the verdict came in, stunning those French citizens with residual decency once more. The Paris tribunal condemned the school, ordering it to reinstate the two Muslim kids, and pay each of their families 1,000 Euros (around 1,200 USD).

In another similar incident, Muslim students persecuted a young Jewish girl at school.

Her family sued the oppressors, and, in the bizarre world of French justice, got condemned to pay a fine of 4,000 Euros (about 5,000 USD). So, they decided to appeal the decision and the Court of Appeals deemed that a 8,000 Euros (about 10,000 USD) fine was more appropriate.

Being a Jewish victim turns out to be very costly in France: not only physically and morally, but also financially. Perpetrating anti-Semitic acts, on the other hand, can be very lucrative. So, what kind of message does this send?

Obviously, if you attack Jews or insult them, you are the victim and you get financial reward. In this environment, anti-Semitism in France is not going away. Quite the opposite.

Most often, French justice simply releases the culprits, rather than rewarding them – at least so far. A few months ago, at an ice rink in the Paris suburb of Boulogne, a group of Muslim teenagers beat up a Jewish kid. The police arrested them, but the judge decided to release them, ordering one of them, a 14 year-old, to write an essay about anti-Semitism. What a severe sentence!!!

Unfortunately, this is for real. Last week, Boulogne’s rabbi’s son was ambushed leaving  his home by five Muslim teenagers, who attacked him very violently. A few days later, they were caught. Unsurprisingly, this same 14- year old from the previous incident was among them. Once again, the judge released the suspects right away…

Finally, regarding the young Jewish student, Israel Ifrah, who was stabbed last Friday in Paris by a Muslim aggressor yelling “Allah Akhbar” (“God is great” in Arabic), the excellent newsmagazine Proche-Orient.info reported that while at the hospital his family was spit-upon by two Arabs. Even though there were a lot of people around, nobody moved or said anything.

France is now the country of the cycle of silence: from the President’s wife to the common Frenchman.

The young Israeli’s father, deciding he had enough of France, went to the US Embassy in Paris to ask for political asylum.

Alain Finkielkraut, one of the leading French philosophers, interviewed on June 7, 2004 by the radio station RTL declared that: “The pogrom for the Jews” appears today in France like a possible future.”

There might come a time not far distant where French Jews might have no choice but to leave the country of their birth, in search of liberty, equality, and fraternity.

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« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2004, 01:06:41 PM »
grun... I believe you are wrong on this one.

stern was in violation of FCC doctrine that he sighned on for by being a broadcaster on OPEN airwaves... there is nothing that he does that he could not say on pay for radio like satalite and cable TV.

The same rules apply for TV that is open to the public and all ages of audience.   the premis is that on pay per view or listen... you have to pay to hear or see it and therefore are well aware of what you might see or hear.   On the radio... the FCC controls the free airwaves and each person who wishes to broadcast needs to abide by their rules which are pretty bland (depending) based on the fact that anyone could tune in accidentaly and be offended.   Just as cursing or saying whatever you want at a night club is different than doing it from a soapbox in the park.

I can't believe you can't see the difference...

Stern strikes me as a whiny crybaby in this... he knows that he is making his fortune by simply being a potty mouth and pushing the edges and that he would just be another semi tallented hack on pay venues with a lot of competition...

What he does is exploit.  he got caught and now he will pay.   It has nothing at all to do with free speech since he made the agreement to not offend if he wanted to use the regulated airwaves.   He is far from a picked on martyr with anything useful to say.   His endless whining about it is allmost as offensive as his narcisism and the sickening fawning of his staff.

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« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2004, 01:28:14 PM »
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Originally posted by straffo
To make a good portrait of her imagine she is a fervent/fanatic defensor of animal's right (for her an animal has more right than a human) ...

Let me recount a little story

once upon of time her neightbour had a male donkey that tried to fornicate with her female donkey (the donkey was smart he didn't try to do her ...)

No problem for "Madame" Bardot she called a veterinarian to emasculate the poor donkey ...

Do you still think she can still be seen as respectable ?


i dont care about animals much... but it would be nice to put mandatory that only emasculated humans can own emasculated animals.


hang her
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« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2004, 01:32:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Trust me Ravs... if you'd seen my "flying" lately... the only thing i could catch up with would be a slow passenger plane with a drunken pilot :lol
 


he speak true in this matter

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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2004, 01:33:54 PM »
nothing like unbiased cut'n paste Krusher :)

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« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2004, 02:14:45 PM »
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Rog :D

Ravs, it's hard to like someone that tries so hard to dislike you.

Ever been to France?  The Parisians are who hate Americans the most.  Once you get out of Paris the people are friendly, courteous, and helpful.
I cannot blame most of Eurpe for not liking Americans.  If you would just watch how our people act while in someone's elses home, you would hate us too.

Sorry for the hijack, carry on.

EDIT:  By the way, if you open your mouth and cause someone anguish, discomfort, embarressment or any type of extreme emotional trauma, you could find yourself on the other end of a civil suit here.
Freedom of speech is limited everywhere you go.  If not by law, it is by actions.
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« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2004, 02:26:22 PM »
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Ever been to France?  The Parisians are who hate Americans the most.  Once you get out of Paris the people are friendly, courteous, and helpful.
I cannot blame most of Eurpe for not liking Americans.  If you would just watch how our people act while in someone's elses home, you would hate us too.

Sorry for the hijack, carry on.


There ya have it. I haven't been to France or Europe for that matter. My only knowledge of how the French regard Americans is how they have attempted to thwart our global efforts. However, I did spend 7 years in the far east along with many thousands of other Americans and I did not observe any hatred for Americans there. Maybe the Americans there were better behaved?
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« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2004, 03:56:36 PM »
Skuzzy I should add the Parisians hate the other French and likely hate themselves ...

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« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2004, 04:08:59 PM »
You know straffo, that is quite true.  I do keep forgetting that.

I am looking to our next visit there.  I think we will head North this time.  Last time we went South.
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