Freedom of speech in France?

[straffo]

North,North-east or North-West ?

A place you should consider IMO is the Loire Valley (but I'm more than biased ... being in love with this region since 20 years )


<= born in Paris ,lived 14 year in , happy to not being Parisian anymore

[Skuzzy]

Loire Valley eh?  They have a good B&B there?  We prefer the B&B's in Europe.  Always nice to get to meet people that live there.
Is it touristy?  We tend to avoid the tourist places.

[Saintaw]

It rains in the north skuzzy, and WORSE, I think Straffo is located somewhere there

Go to the deep south, the only civilised french live where the sun is shining..(except for Straffo, but am working on it !)

Please Skuzz, if you come back to Yurop (especialy a place as close as France) let me know, I'll gladly buy you a beer (or two)!

[Skuzzy]

Rain is no concern for me and the wife.

And you're on for the beer.

[straffo]

I'm on for the wine

Seriously Saw is wrong about rain in the Loire Valley it don't compare to britanny or Belgium
There just enought rain to make wine.

Loire Valley is touristic , there is a lot of old (and superb) castle ,food and wine are renowned and climate is pretty temperate even during hoit summer (like the one we go last year)

It's far less touristic and crowded than south places like Nice,Cannes or any mediterranean place.


Personnally I will start a visit here (http://www.tourisme-touraine.com/) and next continue the trip to the coast (http://www.westernloire.com/)

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If you think that then you are retarded. The man is a cheap liar who feeds his audiences exactly that which reeinforces their prejudices, tells them what they want to hear, want to belive, and most of all what they want to and desperately need to fear.

Damn Grun, that's the definition of a politician.

curly

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by AKcurly
Damn Grun, that's the definition of a politician.

curly

Yes. That's a big reason why I don't vote.

[GRUNHERZ]

Lazs,

To me the difference between pornographic, impolite, outrageous and political thought is nil.   It is all speech. The same human instinctints that encurage the ban on use of crude words like Howard Stern speaks are the ones which lead other people to ban the use of words or concepts that others, perhaps like you and me would like to use. In other words I am talking about Political Correctness - which when you get down to it is only people using their collective influence to restrict the speech sof others that they percieve to be offensaive, inappropriate or otherwise harmful.

There is nothing in this that says you have to be proper in your speech.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

If people dont want to listen to Howard Stern they should simply change the station.

[lazs2]

grun... I am sure that you would find local laws that prohibit an adult from talking filthy to children?  

The FCC governs the FREE PUBLIC airwaves.   stern signed on to their rules and now he is cryuing foul.  He is simply a lazy no talent who can't make it unless he can get an audience who doesn't pay to hear him.   He can say anthing he wants so long as he doesn'[t spew filth at children or anyone who happens to tune into him by accident.

He may say whatever he likes on cable radio too but.... he may be restricted by the owners of the satalite station.  

We are the public and we are restricting him from what words he can say on public radio.

he is a low talent crybaby who can't make it with competition.   his fawning staff is feeding his narsism and paranoia.

In short... we are the public and we set rules as to what can be said on public airwaves... we set the same standards on television but allow anything goes on cable pay per view.  

He is not lenny bruce fighting the good fight.. lenny bruce spoke in a nightclub with paying customers who kenw what to expect.

you don't have children but you sure don't want to have the airwaves ruled by the likes of stern when you are in a car full of children flipping through the stations.

lazs

[storch]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes. That's a big reason why I don't vote.

If you don't vote then you shouldn't involve yourself in political discussions.

[storch]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If people dont want to listen to Howard Stern they should simply change the station.

Are you aware that Howard Stern would not allow his own children to listen to his show?

[lazs2]

think of it this way grun... if you want to curse and spew... then all you have to do is make sure that your audience is adult and that they are aware of what you are doing.

If stern wants to play potty mouth then all he has to do is.... change stations.

lazs

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by lazs2
We are the public and we are restricting him from what words he can say on public radio.

But Oprah and many others have said things on the public airwaves that are just as bad or worse.  Soap Operas are sex drenched and on in the afternoon when children could watch.  

Why hasn't the FCC gone after them?  Becauase enforcement of this law has become a political calculation.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Montezuma
But Oprah and many others have said things on the public airwaves that are just as bad or worse.  Soap Operas are sex drenched and on in the afternoon when children could watch.  

Why hasn't the FCC gone after them?  Becauase enforcement of this law has become a political calculation.

Soap operas aren't explicit, dunno about Oprah. How is it political to go after Stern and not Oprah?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by storch
Are you aware that Howard Stern would not allow his own children to listen to his show?

Good for him!
That is his right..

But I dont need the federal government to act as my parents...

Hello!  Where have all the individual liberty and responsibility conservatives gone?